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 Posted: Fri Nov 2nd, 2007 05:31 pm
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Finally got round to putting a few pictures of Barchester on here. Nothing most of you wont have seen before but at least I now have a presence.
The beginning with 2x1 framework and 2x2 legs. Six sections, five being 4 feet long and the sixth 4 'x1'. You can see the holes that have been drilled to take cables.







Planning underway.



A couple of steps onwards looking the other way. Where the scenery ends is the end of the first 20 feet beyond that is the 6'x1' section which is the 6 track fiddle yard. Also the inward operning window which threw all my careful plans into confusion. :roll: :cry:




Here are some pictures of the latest addition to the Barchester fleet of DMU's. The Bachmann Class 108, a sweet runner that looks the part. Two pictures showing it's inaugral run, departing from platform 5 to Ditton Heath.








This picture shows the auto coach and little 0-6-0 shunted off into the Goods siding where it will wait until it's future has been decided. It's normal 3 times a day run between Barchester and the Dittons has been taken over by the Class 108 so things are not looking too good for it at the moment. The 'Friends Of Barchester', a quite widespread organisation which is affiliated to the 'Barchester Preservation Society' (BPS) has offered to take care of coach and loco with costs and ownership remaining with the BPS. This offer is now under consideration.







Here's a picture of the diesel wash unit at a quiet time of the day with the staff taking it easy.





And then a shot over the roof of the main station building looking down into what is fast becoming a disused area of the town, needs some regeneration.







 




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Well here it is, the latest addition to Barchester's steam locos. Not really an addition as it is replacing one of the 'flooded out' engines that are just serving as decoration at the moment.
I have to say that the running qualities are just as good as I have come to expect from Bachmann after months of running their diesel units. As far as the modelling goes I think it looks almost perfect without being too delicate to handle, a big plus for the younger modellers.






Here it is again on a train of 50 year old Peco Wonderful Wagons and being rapidly overtaken by a Class 108






Finally we see it on shed among it's bigger bretheren.







The coal in the bunker has a very shiny, plastic look about it so I thought about changing it.
Had a look at the model and it isn't going to be a quick job getting the coal load out of the bunker. I had a gentle prise with the point of a knife but it is in there fairly solid. The first picture shows the plastic coal as it comes with the loco.





Sprinkled a bit of crushed up charcoal on top of the coal load to see what it would look like, this is the result. It needs tidying up of course but should give you a good idea. You crush the coal/charcoal to your own needs of course.





That's it for now chaps. Poor old Barchester has been pushed into the background lately and I can't see the situation changing for the forseeable future. Not this year anyway.



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These are super pictures, great to see Barchester back on the forum.

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A lovely lineup of photos, Bob. I'm very glad to see Barchester back.

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Thanks for reminding us just how good Barchester is :!:

You're right about the modelling Bob, forum interests have been to the fore recently :!:

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Great to see those pictures back on the Forum, Bob :!: Funny the way my mind works but I remember the little things - and how impressed I was the first time around with the improvement to the coal on that locomotive :!:

More please - they are an inspiration :D

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Congratulations on the layout Bob. When are you going to invite us all over for a first hand ride experience.

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Bob - that "shed" scene with three locomotives? It's just crying out for DCC to bring it to life :!: :!: :!: :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Bob so pleased the Barchester line is back. If your DC i bet there is alot of wiring under that base board and what a nightmare it must off been to do. How do you control your engines and stuff around your layout Bob?.
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Fabulous to see it Bob. Hopefully the next time Sparky is over here we can see it first hand. :D :D :D :D PLEASE :!:

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A most unexpected guest on the Barchester rails turned up this morning.





Even thought the loco is H0 scale it couldn't get itself into the Barchester wash unit.





Although it did manage to squeeze itself, after a lot of hand waving and shouting, into the diesel refuelling point.







Here it is balanced precariously over the coal drops with the timbers and walls creaking away as if about to collapse. In fact it did look about to topple right over at this point. What a monster.






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I believe the phrase is ... Phwoarrr! It's a beast!

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Delaware & Hudson - that's a fine choice of railroad, if I might say so :D :D We have two D&Hs here, plus plenty of hoppers etc.

That Geep is a beauty, Bob, and I notice that the detail in the trucks as the Americans call them is very good indeed. Even some of the cheaper Atlas locos [more costly than yours, but lacking decoders] have the brake cylinder moulded in, so that under close scrutiny it doesn't even look like a separate part, because at the top it can be seen to melt back into the framework behind it. Not so on your Bachmann. Well done Bachmann. Unbeatable value at the price.

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Bob, that last picture looks terrific. It looks like the loco is touching the layout (ground) along the side, is it?

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That's the wooden walk way over the coal drops Wayne and it is just being skimmed by the loco, and I mean skimmed, can't be much more than a couple of thou in it.



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Bob, do you have any other loco's that are that tight to the walkway, or is it just this one?
Did it scare you when you backed it in there?

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It did when I saw the picture because it looks as if it is certainly on it's way down the black hole of the coal drops. In fact it must be something to do with the way I have taken the picture as it is perfectly straight on the layout. None of my other locos have underframes as low as this one and it's not a thing I ever considered before as after all these years I automatically know how high or low things have to be for UK model clearance. What surprised me most was that even though this model is built to a smaller scale than the rest of my fleet it still wouldn't go into the wash unit. If it's a fairly accurate scale model then it just shows how big the real thing must be.



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Sorry Phill, I didn't see your query about the wiring as I was too busy with the new loco. Anyway the wiring is just perfectly straight forward DC with all tracks controlled by On/Off switches and the turnouts by stud contact and electric pencil, everything done from the Control Panel. To operate I have a Gaugemaster walk about controller with cruise control and automatic acceleration and deceleration.



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Well thanks Bob, thought i was being ignored :evil: but now you have answered im ok now :D :D .
Still reading that im so confused but hey whats new :D
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If you are starting over Phill forget about DC. I am convinced after everything I have read and seen that DCC is the way to go. Not being a meticulous worker, like so many others on the forum, Barchester is a nightmare of wiring that I would hate any of you to see. :roll:



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Now this one will shock the likes of Rector and Perry, but even I can see what you mean, Bob. I agree that DCC is much easier :!: :!:

But I love all those switches and isolating sections. I love deciding where I want my next train movement to be, then setting the route with my points pencil and throwing the correct section switches :!: So prototypical :!: :!: :!: :lol: :lol:

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you can still have dc point switches :wink: the only thing you will loose is the isolating switch but you gain the freedom of the entire layout

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Ah Bob - this is where I started - I happened upon Barchester whilst trawling the net and was very, very impressed.

Glad to see it again and that GP loco - WOW !!

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Well i have been thinking Bob, you see now you have aquired a GP loco the seed is germanating and its pushing you towards dcc, trust me i know these things :D .
So what i propose and maybe you may mull this over, why not go half and half, DC and DCC. That way you have the best of both worlds. Then you can get more American loco's :D and the joy of the noise they have built into the chip with it. You could then just redesign a engine shed to fit them in :D .
Now i think this is a good idea, so whats your views?.
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Gwent Rail wrote:Now this one will shock the likes of Rector and Perry No - nothing shocks me any more :lol: :lol: :lol: Not on this forum anyway :!: :roll: :roll: :roll:

(But I do think Bob should sneak under the Barchester boards with a digital camera and take some pictures :wink: :wink: :wink: )

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I second that Tim afterall we do like to see how each others layouts are doing or done :D :D
Ok who reckons we should all see under Bobs layout then :lol:
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Gwent Rail wrote:Now this one will shock the likes of Rector and Perry, but even I can see what you mean, Bob. I agree that DCC is much easier :!: :!:

But I love all those switches and isolating sections. I love deciding where I want my next train movement to be, then setting the route with my points pencil and throwing the correct section switches :!: So prototypical :!: :!: :!: :lol: :lol:


I completely understand that, Jeff. I like throwing point levers too, which is why my layout is a hybrid. All locos are under DCC control with the whole layout 'live' all the time, but the points are operated by Peco point motors and levers supplied with power from an old H&M Duette controller. I find it more pleasureable and satisfying to set up a route via the levers than by keying in numbers to the DCC controller. I'm happy to do that to select the loco I want though, and it does away with those gory isolating sections that are never the the right length and never in exactly the right place, in my experience. :?

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Start taking the pictures Bob, I agree with Phill. Look at it this way, if it is as you say a "Nightmare Of Wiring" then you will be teaching us how "Not To Do It" :shock: :shock: :shock:

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remember bob you can still run 1 dc loco at a time on a dcc layout :wink:

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Wayne Williams wrote:,,, then you will be teaching us how "Not To Do It" Oh no - I didn't mean that. It all 'horses for courses' and at the moment Barchester is running. My layout is not :evil:

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I love the new loco and from the comments I note an idea beginning to germinate - a new layout perhaps!!!

A quick question. When looking at the pictures of Barchester I note you use card? models to represent the signals. Is it your intention to install working lights/semaphore signals at some stage on Barchester? You will recall that I am fond of working signals and I am always interested in they way signalling is incorporated into a layout.

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You have hit me in a sore spot Novice with your post. Yes the electric signals, plus the card lights on the refuelling gantries and the wash shed are all supposed to be electrified as the rest of the layout became more or less finished. Now that was in the days just before this forum and the Barchester web pages. To top it all this 'idea' you mention has sprung up so I'm afraid no matter what happens now Barchester will never see working electric lights. :cry: :cry: More hours in the day is what I need but it's the one thing none of us can do anything about. As for the 'idea' well, maybe.



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Just found this on the camera today when I was getting it ready for the cruise. This is a better shot of the hunk at rest on the coal drops.








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Bob look at this link i dont know if some of these prices are good or not this is where me and Bryan go to get our stuff.
they havent got many but it seems cheap to me but you may get them somewhere cheaper
cheers Brian
http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/index.html?pageTitle=Diesel_Locomotives&pageDesc=&action=search&submit=go&maincatID=&searchtype=catID&quicksearch=545

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Yes that is cheap. Ł33.95 with DCC onboard. Can't be bad.



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A question, if I may, Bob :?: When you added crushed charcoal on top of the plastic coal on GWR 6600 did you use any adhesive, or simply let it sit there? The reason I ask is that I have inherited a cheap, ready built, plastic sand bunker kit (at the moment it looks awful) and intend to bash it about a bit, weather it, and turn it into a coal bunker using that charcoal technique. To firm it all up I wondered if the "ballasting" technique" of dribbling diluted PVA through the charcoal might work.

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It will indeed Tim and if, for some reason, you want to remove it in the future it's easily done with a bit of water.



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My thanks, Bob - and this being an 'official' scratchbuild I might just post some pictures :shock:

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Well we are all still waiting for the pics of your wiring Bob, afterall we share all things to do with layouts, loco's etc, infact all model rail stuff on here. :D :D
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Now now, Phill :!: Every layout has to have its secrets :!: :wink:

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Bob, trawling thru layouts looking for photos that I like, I came across a comment from you about needing a new layout if you went DCC.
That is not strictly correct, the existing DC layout if wired to a cab control principle can convert in a matter of minutes ( locos will take a bit longer).
1. Disconnect DC controllers & power supply.
2. Switch all sections to the same cab position.
3. Switch all isolation sections on.
4. Connect out from DCC command station to one track anywhere on any mainline.
5. Turn on power & way you go.


My friend is building a small terminal to terminal layout - LMS steam days & this will be 2 cabs DC. He is also installing a change over switch to do steps 1 & 4 as above so he can run Bachmann Diesels set in Irish railway colours under DCC. The changeover switch prevents the 2 systems from intermixing. He, the cheeky sod, has got me to do the wiring!

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Thought I would indulge in a little Sunday morning nostalgia of when I used to be a railway modeller so have been looking through old photographs and thought I would add some more of Barchester for those members who are not familiar with the layout.

Here's one of the newly installed main station building, via Metcalfe kits.
 





 

This is the canal jetty at the stone crushing mill and general warehouse. Don't forget I am an old fashioned card modelling fan and all the modelling that  you see is of card.

 



 



The other end of the canal system at Barchester finishing up at the wood yard.




 

The goods yard, also by Metcalfe.

 


 

This is a view looking across the goods yard and coal drops to the back of the layout. Also in the background you can see the two different types of card fences that are used everywhere on Barchester. Panelled and bar.

 


 

This is a closer shot of the fences so you can see them more clearly.

 



 

That's enough for now but don't think you are going to get off that easy as I will be back.





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Some super piccys of Barchester there

As its your Birthday i think Barchester should be the featured layout of the day and all members must deliberately read the whole thread to see how good it is.

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Some super piccys of Barchester there

As its your Birthday i think Barchester should be the featured layout of the day and all members must deliberately read the whole thread to see how good it is.

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Totally Agree

And what a great layout it is as well.

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Bob I have serious need of a couple of barges for the river on my layout (to a length of about 80cms).I've looked in the famous index and seen your 'howto'. If I were to replace the card with plywood is there anything that might not translate to a larger scale?

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Ok, here's some more then. This first one shows the rock crushing plant on the canal side.

 




 

With two further pictures looking more closely at what Leyton's is all about.



 





 

Moving away from the tourist area of Barchester we come to the partially built diesel washing unit.

 

 

And then the finished unit with it's first customer.

 


 

 

Still away from the tourist area and in the vicinity of the washing unit was built the diesel fuelling plant. Capable of taking bulk rail tankers and refuelling. 


 

 


 

Swinging back to the tourist side this shows our saw shed in operation. You can see Fred at the back of the shed spraying preservative on the planks. The teeth of the saw look oversize in closeup but at the normal viewing distance they are ok. All card again.

 












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This is the old station building (Metcalfe) that is still in use on Barchester and serves the branch line.

 

 

Looking back over the refuelling unit to the main station platforms. Card, card everywhere. I keep plugging the card so that the plastic boys don't get too complacent.

 


 

Looking the other way across the refuelling unit.

 


 

Showing Barchester's main lines and branch line.

 



 

A touch of the 'modern image'.

 





 





 





 

One of the two branch lines in use.

 



 

We do have steam as well as diesels on Barchester.

 



 

And this was our first steam gala open day.

 


 

 








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That overhead bridge looks pretty smart is it a road or pedestrian one ?

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Some of Barchesters diesel motive power.

 



 







 




 




 


 

 



 



 




 




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Brings back old memorys they do B i do recall the thread on your saw mill build, lovely pics all round and i have always loved this layout.

Do you still play trains, sorry test them Bob.

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That Desert Sand Western diesel is a good looking animal Bob. I know another layout not far from you where it would be a perfect fit.:doublethumb

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Here's a shot of the delivery of the raw material for the crusher mill.

 

 

The road to the wood yard.

 



 

The road tunnel through Copp's hill on the wood yard road again.

 




 

It's not all trains and rush on Barchester.

 




 

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That's it then folks, self indulgence finished. Hope you like the pictures and Barchester, as that is where all this started from.
 








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Bob - that takes me back to my pre-forum days.

As I said somewhere within this thread, I stumbled on Barchester and was very impressed by what I saw.

I still am !!!  Some great shots there and I only hope you get some time,  today at least, to do some testing.  It's a great layout and must have been fun building it.

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Now that was the money shot for me!

Excellent Bob, I think anybody not following Henry Parrot's advice and reading the entire layout thread has really missed a treat.

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Bob, I see from the various locos that you are modelling Era A-Z.

Barchester looks enjoyable.

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 Yes a very nice trip down memory lane. The crane and mechanical horse are marvellous feats of card modelling. I love seeing all the different locos too.


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Bob, when this forum is settled and working well, you really must get down to a bit of modelling.

For your own enjoyment, of course, but also because you are far too good a modeller to be inactive.

A really pleasant trip down memory lane, to when I first emailed you about websites and the original Barchester fgorum was just about to start.

 Fantastic, it's your birthday, but our treat, thanks for taking the time and trouble.

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Thanks Bob, i re read the Barchester threads and boy what a build and layout. You must find more time with this baby, leave the Forum to run on its on for a while now and get back to what you love, Barchester. Thanks for taking us down memory lane once again. :cheers

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Managed to get a long running session in today, checking that things still worked after more than six months of inaction and neglect. Anyway took a couple of pictures looking right down the layout which shows 20 feet of the 26 foot length. The last 6 feet of which is a 12 inch wide hardboard covered fiddle yard. Because of the height of the entrance this fiddle yard area can't be seen from the operating position, in front of the Control Panel you can see, so it's very effective when trains appear and disappear from the darkness of the fiddle yard.





The area in the foreground covers the entrance to the fiddle yard which starts with the road bridge you can see. The three tracks on the right are for main line running serving platforms 1 to 4 and the two to the left are branch lines served from platform 5. The control panel is also plainly visible in this second picture. Those five tracks then come down to the 6 track 12 inch wide fiddle yard. With 9 complete passenger trains in action traffic is very intensive when running to the timetable and a fair bit of shunting has to take place to get everything in the right place at the right time. By comparison goods movements are very sparse because Barchester is a passenger terminus.





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Good to see a full view of the layout Bob, but even better to hear that you've been able to have a running session.

I hope that means that you are feeling better than when we last spoke, as you were finding it tough then.

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How are the ribs going? Still have the air hose dragging around?

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hopefully you are feeling better now

Trouble is now Bob if we know you are a bit better we will be asking about the on30 layout:lol::lol:

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Good to hear that all is still up and running well - you especially!

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i was begining to think you given up on it .

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Ribs pretty good now as I can lie down on either side with only the occasional twinge, so that's good. Oxygen still following me about but only for another couple of weeks I hope.
I was quite pleased with the running of the layout, a couple of switches are playing up but that won't be a problem and everything else is working fine. Those Bachmann diesels sure are dream runners.



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:doublethumb Bob's layout is back. Great to hear and see your doing work on the layout again. Infact i have gone over the thread again, i just find it really interesting how you have built nearly all your things from nothing, its great.

Glad to hear your on the mend and up and about again. I take it due to the high explosive your carting about you have stoped smoking then :hmm.

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:roll::roll::roll::roll:  Is that the HO diesel on the left Mike ?

A bit slow in posting Bob - I've spent a fair amount of time studying your photo - a great shot and there's some interesting stuff there.

I've been checking out all the buildings and routes - are the buildings all card ?  They look excellent and fit in with the scheme very well.   Must have taken quite a bit of planning to get so much in without it looking at all crowded.

I like the road bridge in the foreground - card again ?

Hope you manage to spend more time there than you have over the last few months.  Your comment about the Bachmann diesels is spot on - I've only got 3 but they certainly are superb runners.  Although I'm steam through and through, in small scale, I'm wondering if I can turn traitor - particularly if I can afford to ask Max to do me a sound decoder. :roll::roll::roll:



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I really sorry, but I have to admit to never looking at your website showing Barchester Bob, I have seen the odd photo but to see the complete layout is ................... well just brilliant, really like the canal above the  entry to the fiddle yard very clever.

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No confusion Max, it's an H0 loco, DCC, that I bought at the NEC to give it a try. Works beautifully too. The control panel is just studs and electric pencil, very simple to install and to operate. It had to be that way because I have grand children who like to operate the layout. You can see the box of cards too on the panel that the operator has to conform to.



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Here's a shot from the other end of Barchester, doesn't give the full length because I couldn't get any further back with the camera. Gives you an idea though. You can see the entrance to the fiddle yard in the far distance quite easily.






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Nice to know you still have the time to run the trains, in between keeping us lot in check!  Even better to know that your health is much improved too.

Now when are we going to see that logging layout ;-)

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It will do a lot of things Alan but travel is not one of them I'm afraid. Here's another picture showing quite clearly the entrance to the fiddle yard. The branch line entrance can just be seen over the corner of the goods shed roof.






I am negotiating for more space at the moment Lawrence as the only other alternative is the destruction of Barchester and it still gives me too much pleasure to do that.



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Joking aside, that really is a very good layout that you have built, the more that I look into the photo's that you posted the more that I can see how much thought you have put into each area, bringing it to life.
How do you work your fiddle yard, have you got a open front that you can then put your arms into ?

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Barchester has it's own history Alan, right back when it was a small market town whose whole economy depended on agriculture and before the days of the railway. Things are very different today of course and every mile of track from Barchester to Buckingham is now privately owned as is the whole of the branch line. Both canal basins were very busy at one time but today, like the rock and gravel crushers, they only operate to satisfy the tourist demand. Even Jones the coal, seen coming up from the coal drops on his horse and cart at the bottom right of the picture, is an employee of the BPS (Barchester Preservation Society). His working day consists of filling his wagon at the drops, carting it to the coal loading bay where it is put back on the wagon. When the wagon is full it is shunted to the drops and then empties itself so that Jones the coal can start filling his wagon again. It's amazing how many tourists love putting on the company coveralls and humping coal on to Jone's wagon. They actually pay for the privilege and are glad to. They also love operating the crushers and the barge loading chutes, for a fee of course. Barchester has no other income other than from the tourists and two or three wealthy enthusiasts who help carry the place through the leaner winter months.
As for the fiddle yard it is completely covered but has a removable lid over the 1 foot wide section and the three foot cover, where the timber yard, road bridge and canal are, can be easily got at from either end with a maximum stretch of 18 inches. Because it's not possible to see what's going on once a train disappears, the timetable, which covers a 24 hour period, ensures that everything is in it's correct position at the start of each day so that when the first train arrives there aren't any unpleasant surprises. For passenger services only, including the shunting, there are 135 separate daily traffic movements in the full summer timetable, which is the one I normally operate to. Because the layout is sometimes operated by children or non railway minded adults things have been kept very simple but with the maximum amount of movement so that trains are coming and going every few seconds once the operator has got the hang of the electric pencil and studs. I love to watch the face of a new operator as he sends a long main line train off to Buckingham and watches it accelerate into the dark under the overbridge. As the last carriage vanishes I can see that he is waiting for the crash as it's pretty obvious that the train has nowhere to go because it appears longer than the space that's left before we come to the brick wall of the end of the room. Great.
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How long does it take you to complete a 24hr period, and do you have cards or is it all down to the grey matter, and remembering all the moves.

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Each train movement has it's own card, which is numbered and contains train makeup, arrival or departure platform and either destination or where it originated. For both arrivals and departures a quick glance along the layout ensures the appropriate platform is empty or contains the correct train for the card you are reading. It's then a simple matter of touching the studs from the platform to the destination on the control panel, or vice versa, the system doesn't need point direction indication because the act of touching the stud on the running line ensures the correct direction has been set. Each platform has it's own isolating switch as does each destination (fiddle yard line). As long as the operator can read and see then the system is simplicity itself. It usually takes a child about 10 minutes of supervised operation to get them to the point where I can step to one side and leave them to it. I have even catered for the rascal who just has to see a train vanish at full speed while he tingles with anticipation. The excuse being that he can't see what is happening so how was he supposed to know how fast the train ought to be going. This is despite the fact that each departure card has the maximum desired throttle setting on it. As has the arrivals cards so that a train appears at a speed which can be realistically slowed down so it just drifts into it's platform.
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         PLEASE,don't even think about taking the axe to Barchester.Its a lovely layout,wether or not its as large as you'd like,but as these last few pics show...it has a real sense of place,which so many layouts DON"T have!!!You obviously still are enjoying operating it,too!
         Besides,a lot of love and care's gone into it...it feels like home..and you don't want to be a homewrecker,do you?

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Indulging myself again here with a couple of pictures not seen before, the first two anyway. Barchesters very own refuelling depot, or at least half of it as the locomotive hides the other side. Off loading of bulk tankers can be done from either side of the unit so that refuelling and off loading can take place at the same time.






Showing barge filled from rock crusher outlets and the jetty with loading and unloading in progress.






In case anyone missed it before this shows the raw material for the crushers being delivered by modern truck and the first rejects from the mill shakers being collected by horse and cart.






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:thumbs I have always admired your modelling, Bob. Years ago when I first discovered Barchester, it was magical. We owe you a great deal for these sites and the way you've inspired us. Magic, mate! It's amazing what therapy running a layout does for one. A combination of Barchester and that Oxygen cylinder is a heady mix! :chicken



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Carry on indulging yourself Bob

Barchester shows an amazing amount of scratchbuilt items built by yourself and built with very little financial outlay Ians shake the box layout is bits bought from a shop.

Barchester has many items found around the house and in the shed

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These past couple of days you seem to have found your love for the hobby again, and, after posting the photos, you have treated us to some fine modelling, are you looking at extending the layout, as that would be something that I would love to see

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As I think I said earlier I am negotiating for extra space and if I get it I won't be adding or changing Barchester as it was built for a definite purpose and is complete in itself for what it does, i.e. provides me with entertainment, plus various children that come visiting and the occasional curious adult. I'm very comfortable with it as it is even though it could take a lot more work on the detail side but that would just be work for works sake and I'm not inclined to do that. If space is forthcoming then it's going to be an 0n30 diorama, for which I have various plans worked out depending on the space I manage to scrounge.



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I said it before and i say it again, this layout is AMAZING, too think that every thing you see is more or less built from bits and bobs laying around the house.

I just love watching or should i say gazing into each and every pic because i awlays seem to find something in there i had not seen before. So Bob do not scrap it, just keep adding to it and let yourself enjoy it for donkey's more years and us of course.

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:hmm So, what's an On30 diorama, Bob ..... tell us about your plans ......

Thanks you for saying,

"provides me with entertainment, plus various children that come visiting and the occasional curious adult. I'm very comfortable with it as it is "

............ you've summed it all up nicely really!

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Robert wrote: . If space is forthcoming then it's going to be an 0n30 diorama, for which I have various plans worked out depending on the space I manage to scrounge.
Logging Please.................................Please Sir Bob

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Who's "Sandy" Bob ?  One of Justine's friends ?

Some really great photos Bob.  Having come here originally via Barchester (who didn't ?), I remember being mightily impressed with both your layout and the Barchester site itself.

My first visit there must go down as one of the best things I've ever done in my life.  It opened up such a change for the better, introduced me to skills I didn't think were possible, introduced me to so many virtual friends and fired me up to start something I'd only ever mused about thinking it might be good to do one day and, maybe above all, gave me the best "how to do it" available anywhere on the net - all for free !!!  I wonder (like Churchill's famous Battle of Britain speech) how many people owe so much to just one person ? :cheers:cheers

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Here are a couple of examples of dioramas John done by our members. The first one by Henryparrot .  You can see the build here : http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=1509&forum_id=52








And this one by RJR.  You can see the build here :   http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=3127&forum_id=52&page=1
They come in all different shapes, sizes, scales and gauges. 0n30 is narrow gauge running 0 gauge stock on 00 gauge rails, or that's what I will be doing, very convenient. Apart from the rails everything else is built to 7mm scale.





I want to combine a waterfront and logging if I can Alan. As always it all comes down to space and unfortunately at the moment I don't know how much I am going to get, if any. Fingers crossed though.

Sandy is the class 52 Peter. I called it that in my post because I couldn't remember what it was. If Les hadn't reminded me I still wouldn't know. :roll: :roll:



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Well it looks as if we all are going to be happy soon. Ask for more space then you need, and then after you are cut back you should have enough to build the new layout :thumbs

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I've put this one in to demonstrate what happens when you make trees from ferrous based wire. (I think I have given a warning elsewhere about this). Even though the wire has been covered in plaster the rust has come through and affected the lichen I used. The odd couple of trees that have been made with plastic armatures haven't been affected. Unfortunately the railway room is damp in the winter and that hasn't helped.

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I am interested in the DMU in your pictures. I assume it is the elderly Hornby 110, which I have thought about buying on several occasions. How well does it run compared to say the Bachmann 108, which I have also seen on Barchester. Also, I don't know if you can answer this, but do you think it would be possible to use the newer hornby 101 or 121 chassis on this model?

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I had the Class 110 for many years Novice and they were all good runners, even though it is just the basic Ringfield motor in them.

I would not have thought that the Chassis from the 121 would fit as they are longer from memory.

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Thanks Bob. I have been looking at the second hand market for these and they seem to be about as expensive as the Bachmann 108s. I will have to keep my eyes open.

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I have finally managed to catch up with the History of Barchester as chronicled here. Quite why it has escaped my full attention before now is inexplicable and probably inexcusable.

Here we have some magnificent pictures and a well-told history of a superb layout extending over a period of time.

The point made over two years ago now about reading the entire thread is well made and I have taken the time to do so with thought given to some of the background and events away from the actual layout as well.

If we had a hat-off picture I would be posting it here to you, Bob, as a tribute to your courage, persistence, patience and skill along with forbearance in the face of life's many obstacles.

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:cheers:Happy:wow:doublethumb:thumbs to you several times over!

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was Barchester 1 when you lived in the Uk ?

I have been meaning to ask that for some time but kept forgetting Ricks post prompted me

If so wheres the piccys:lol::lol:

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Those are very kind comments Rick and much appreciated.

Brian you are quite right Barchester I was the loft layout I had in the UK and I had boxes and boxes of slides that I had taken over the years. Unfortunately those, along with 15 years of Railway Modelller, Railway Constructor, Model Railway News and 25 hard bound model railway books were lost to the great flood. The tale of which I have recounted before. The history continues however so that when I left the UK Barchester was still reeling from the after affects of World War II. It's all very sad, from a model railway point of view even though today Barchester is a thriving community that is totally dependent on the tourist industry while the latest financial catastrophe is some 4 or 5 years in the future.



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Just having a troll through your thread ..very pleasing modeling... have you ever considered weathering your loco's/rolling stock?

Maybe you like pristine?

 

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It's not a question of whether I like it or not CC. Barchester lives or dies by it's association with the tourist and enthusiasts trade. It has it's own engineering and loco repair works plus a thriving design centre. People come by their thousands every year and expect to see the new as well as the older steam locomotives, and they expect them to be gleaming for the millions of photographs that are taken every year. The steam locomotives are owned by the Barchester council and the Barchester Railway Friends Association but all the diesels are leased. The lines from Barchester to Buckingham are also owned by the same people but Buckingham is as far as they go because while all the diesels are certificated for main line duties the Barchester rolling stock isn't. The branch line is wholly owned by Barchester and steam is licensed to run on this quite freely. The town itself is one big B&B catering for the different tastes of it's many visitors. We have courses for drivers, firemen & signalmen. Even Jones the coal has his place in the scheme of things as he trundles his loads of coal from the drops at Barchester to a waiting barge. He walks at the head of his horse while a couple of tourists help with the loading and unloading and sit on the 'drivers' seat. In one way it is very commercial but at the same time very popular.
You would also be quite surprised by the popularity of the stone mill and it's crushers as tourists have the chance to operate them and also the loading chutes into the waiting barges. Then there are the barges which again can be crewed by the paying tourist as they deliver their load to waiting wagons from an out of town builder. It's all revenue. The beautiful thing is that the bulk of the staff that do the work pay us to do it.



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That story about Barchester sounds very good indeed.
There was a book written many years ago called "West Midland" so can we expect a book called "Barchester" ?

PS, the "West Midland" book I still have - it was given to me by my parents Dec 1958 & I still read that with its predecessor "New Developments in Railway Modelling" at odd times.

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It wasn't always so Sol. Many years ago Barchester was a sleepy agricultural town and then World War II came along and everything changed. After the war it still managed to struggle along but the final blow came when plans were revealed by the then government of it's proposed motorway system. Barchester was to be bypassed. It's markets were then threatened and finally overwhelmed by foreign imports to the supermarket chains that were beginning to spring up. There were just two things in it's favour, the first being a huge brown site that in the war years had been used by the MOD for weapons development. The second was a young, keen engineer, fresh out of university who had grown up in Barchester and loved his home town.
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:Red Card:Red Card:Red Card I've been on this forum since day 1, but even I have never heard the full story of Barchester, or even of the great flood.

Surely a thread is called for detailing these historical events :question:question:question

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Gwent Rail wrote: :Red Card:Red Card:Red Card I've been on this forum since day 1, but even I have never heard the full story of Barchester, or even of the great flood.

Surely a thread is called for detailing these historical events :question:question:question


I also echo what Jeff has said, so how about it Bob.

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phill wrote: Yes come on Bob, we need more and we need it NOW.

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Agreed, more please Bob.

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it seems you will have to tell em Bob,they didn`t read it first time but they might this time .

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I'm afraid that was the story to continue it will be mainly text as you have seen pictures of Barchester ad nauseam. I think you will find text boring after all the excellent photographs we are all so pleased to have on the forum.



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Gwent Rail wrote: Tell us about the great flood, Bob, tell us about the great flood. :doublethumb:doublethumb
Yes, spill all of it now:exclam

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We want the flood story!

We want the flood story!
We want the flood story!
We want the flood story!

We want the flood story!
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Now Bob pin your ears back and listen clearly to me. You tell new comers we love pics so download loads and you tel everyone you can not get enough information about anything or everything. Well its the same for us, i have been here for the last 3 or so years and i have not heard of the flood story, so i shall say this a few times and then i want you to do what we ask ok,

We want the flood story!
We want the flood story!
We want the flood story!
We want the flood story!

We want the flood story!


What do we want guys,

We want the flood story!
We want the flood story!
We want the flood story!


Ok got that, good sorted then, :thumbs

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Hi Bob.

This all sounds rather involved!..So Barchester is gainfully..employed/deployed?

What about the FLOOD:???:

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Robert wrote: Brian you are quite right Barchester I was the loft layout I had in the UK and I had boxes and boxes of slides that I had taken over the years. Unfortunately those, along with 15 years of Railway Modelller, Railway Constructor, Model Railway News and 25 hard bound model railway books were lost to the great flood. The tale of which I have recounted before. The history continues however so that when I left the UK Barchester was still reeling from the after affects of World War II. It's all very sad, from a model railway point of view even though today Barchester is a thriving community that is totally dependent on the tourist industry while the latest financial catastrophe is some 4 or 5 years in the future.
The flood had nothing to do with Barchester as a railway it was my daughter's basement that got flooded during huge rainfalls in Birmingham, not unlike what is happening today in various parts of the country. That's all there is to it.


PS. I haven't been shy about making this post it5's that the dreaded Service Pack 2 sprang into action again today and the computer took three hours to load up and I have spent the day scratting about trying to find a way round it. The best advice I have had so far, if not the most helpful, is 'dump Vista'.



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Honest, Boss, I didn't want to cause a fuss, really, it was a big boy made me do it, I think his name was Jeff, or it might have been Phill or Ron, that's it......I think   :oops::oops:

We really do want 'Barchester Chronicles', a sort of railway based 'Lark Rise to Candleford', if you please....


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Sad,sad news chaps. Barchester has come to the end of it's days and is to be destroyed early in the new year. As a lot of you will know Barchester was built in a room provided by the management here. Well the two empty rooms next to mine are to be combined with the Barchester room to make an artist's studio and a gymnasium. The building of which starts in February. Things are not a total loss however as the management are building me a much smaller room as part of the new complex. So it should be a new start but at my age and state of health I'm not sure I have either the energy or the enthusiasm to start again. Time will tell.



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Is there any way it can be saved.

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It happens Bob to most of us in one way or another that a layout has to come down but in this case, make sure you have plenty of photos on the forum that you have not taken before.

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:cry: Sad news, Bob .......................... the layout has been an inspiration to so many of us. A particular thank you from me!

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Now this may be the kickstart you need to start that On30 layout there are enough of us here to bully you into doing it.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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It depends what you enjoy most, building the layout, scenery or running trains. I imagine you enjoy the scenery work judging by all the card masterpieces you have made, so go for a little layout, indeed a module and then take it from there. I have to say with my little layout Watton Erith, it has been enormous fun because I have actually finished something in a very short space of time. As Brian says that little On30 could be the start!

Time to get the pencil and paper out and the track plan book I think!

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back modelling, not just playing trains, sorry it has to go.

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That's dreadful news Bob and such a pig of a way to end off what has, as you say, been an awful year.

Barchester is where I, and I'd guess many other members, came in.  As John said, Barchester has been an inspiration and it's such a shame to hear it has to go - more so as it's just to make room for a b####y gymnasium which, I am sure, you'll use a lot !!!!!  I still see the shots of the town and canal-side with all that wonderful detail and recall a short video you posted of a DMU with it's "clickety-clack".  Great stuff.

Bob (Novice) is right, you won't have another Barchester but a smaller, perhaps more mangeable layout is a definite option.  Wasn't your doctor or someone also keen on model railways ?  Get him to do the hard graft whilst you concentrate on the "proper" bits.

I sincerely hope that you get away OK tomorrow and spend a few relaxing days with your family even if only to re-charge your batteries.  They must be almost exhausted after this year.

Try to believe that EVERY cloud has a silver lining.  Sometimes it takes some finding but if you dig, it's there as sure as eggs is eggs.

Here's to a much better 2011 Bob.........:cheers




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I am so sorry to hear your news after all you have gone through this year. I know how devastating it can be to take down a layout.............Granby is my 3rd attempt

I think the suggestions about restarting with a smaller layout are worth considering

On the plus side......I dont think you can ignore your achievment in establishing the best on line railway club in the whole wide world...........there must be a cool acronym somewhere there 

My personal thanks......I cannot repeat too often how this forum has transformed my modelling

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Like many here I too am sorry to hear of the probable demise of Barchester. Also to read Bob's comments about his general health and circumstances.

I wasn't a part of the original Barchester Chronicles though have dipped into the history from time to time to take a look at where this club and forum has come from.

I realise the location might make this completely unrealistic but is there anyone able and willing to care for Barchester if it could be removed and transported elsewhere? Or even a representative part of it?

To comply with statutory requirements do we need to publish a closure notice including alternative travel options?

It feels a little like the Doric Arch at Euston being sacrificed in the interests of "progress" in that one of the foundation stones of our being here in the first place is under immediate threat of oblivion.

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Bob, not all news is bad news. I'm a great advocate of 'small' layouts, never having had much spare money nor until I moved to the USA, space. But in the UK I created much admired 8'0 long GWR branch termini. If you're interested I can send you some information about two in particular.

And I've scrapped and built afresh many times. Moving homes and immigrating amongst them. A great deal can be re-cycled.

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Cap'n Bob,

It was your attitude to modelling and Barchester that persuaded me to start modelling again, I'll be very sad too, to think there won't be any more 3-wheel lorries, cranes with drain pipes and horses in stables, but I look forward to something new and different, even on a small scale.  Something really different......


The 'Elves  and Faeries Chocolate Logging Line' complete with a crunchy sprinkle rendering plant, Icing Sugar dries and a Hundreds and Thousands stamping mill...........................

It's O.K., I'll get matron to bring me one of my green pills in just a minute!


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Sad to hear about Barchester,but even if our worst fears are realised,and you have to lose Barchester,you really MUST build something new,maybe even in n gauge?
  You could rebuild your current Barchester trackplan in a quarter of the space!
But even if n gauge is a non-starter,even a small micro layout,or shunting plank in OO that could be shoved under your bed??
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Maybe there's a convenient venue in Spain for the next Show.
Probably cheaper to attend than Cornwall!

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I dont know how i missed this one. Barchester cant go i came in when you was still building it, as did many others. I watched you build the wash for it, the fuelling depot, the oh the list is endless. A sad day is had in this house hold. I recall you making those scarabs, loved them.

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Sad pictures indeed, Bob. Yet once over the initial gloominess that goes with the dismantling of a layout I find that a sense of optimism creeps in as new projects appear.:thumbs

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I am keeping as much as I can of buildings and track. The present layout is 16' by 2.9" so what I have decided is that when it is all stripped down I am going to cut the baseboards in half, lengthways. this will then give me 8 boards each 4' long by about 17" wide. That's a 32 foot run. Until I get to see just what I will be getting as far as room is concerned I will be looking at U shaped track plans. I am actually hoping to get a dog bone layout in as I fancy seeing the trains just run for awhile.



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I suppose if you look on the bright side Bob, you have an oportunity now to iron out those little niggles that are always present in any layout.

Hope you manage to persuade them that you need enough room to make a decent run for it.  Is your doctor friend still an enthusiast ?




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These are the latest pictures of Barchester MKII. The only bright side of this horrible mess is that the contractors started on the new railway room today. It's nearly corpsed me getting to this stage.












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I know exactly how you feel Bob.......had to go through it twice myself.......not fun at all. But soon it will be behind you and you can look forward to the new layout

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I think I've probably got some idea of how much time and effort you put into the building of that layout, Bob. It was superb and inspired me get back into railway modelling. It's heartbreaking to see it all broken up like that, but nothing in this world is forever.

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The new room is coming along Peter. They built the walls yesterday and plastered them today. At the moment there's no door on, just the frames but it is full of old, heavy junk that has to be moved by someone before I can even get in to measure up. I have to keep an eye on the builders too because when they come to fit the door I don't want it opening inwards. The position of it is at the bottom left hand corner as you look at it from the outside. My paper and pencil has been idle too as I have been busy on other things. Not enough hours in the day.



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Still no door on the room but enough junk moved out for me to get in there and measure up. It's a funny old shape that's for sure.

Looking from the front wall which has the door opening in the LH corner, that measures 10'5"

the LH wall as you go in measures 11'6"

the back wall is 11' and the RH wall is 9'

 

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Hi Bob, Best of luck with MKIII, Sad to see many years of work and pleasure go.

At least you are diving in straight away with a new room and layout, Not like myself scrapped my layout and took me 25 years to restart :sad:

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I suppose the one positive to be found is that the size of the room is adequate for an OO gauge layout.

You could fit in a continuous run around the walls (even if it had to climb to the back so that it could sit on the ledge).
Some of the baseboards will have to be cut to non-standard sizes though to fit in the odd shape that the sorter RH wall gives the room.

You'll probably now tell me that the intention is an end-to-end and not a roundy-roundy exclam: :mutley 

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I've always built end-to-end layouts at home, Bob, because of space restrictions.
Having built The Western Valley railway as an end to end and then converted it to roundy (for the grandsons :roll::roll:), I've found having a loco running in the background whilst doing other jobs to be very therapeutic.

It's also so much easier to have a short running session when there are a few trains to move around without having to shunt things around first. I tend to set a loco or two running whilst making up another train in the "off the main line sidings". Good fun on a day when layout time is short.

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So the big issue Bob will be the access.......I opted in the end for a duck under......given hindsight that was an error.......the constant knees bend keeps me fit but keeps vistors out......which is actually a mixed blessing! Doing it again I would opt for a very simple double track bridge.....hinged with minimal scenery



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Bob the beauty of a roundy is you can let the trains tootal along while you sit back, or while you do a bit of shunting
a marshalling yard and a terminus gives you the end to end you like too,so the best of both worlds,
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I'm going to measure that ledge at the back of the room and if it isn't too high I may be able to use that. It would be good if I could because it may give me a duck under across the door that almost anyone could use. I'll know more tomorrow in the light.



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This i am looking forward to seeing built. Think twice about a duck undr Bob, once built it will be mpre difficult to change if health wise suggest otherwise if you get my drift.

Hope you saved some stuff from your old MK11.

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Hi Phill, you should be resting mate, never mind messing about on here. Since you have asked though yes I have saved the bulk of the material from Barchester MKII.



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Bob, regarding lift ups, have another read of these
http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=2934&forum_id=6

and from post #228 on http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=4005&forum_id=52&page=12 when I started to scenic my liftup.

They do save the back!

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Bob, whilst a 'roundy' has its attractions getting in and out whatever you contrive has its drawbacks, and even more so as we inevitably get older and less agile. Even an entry bridge has to be lifted and lowered. I thought about all this before I built my American PRB, but am glad I decided on a 'U' shape.

I still get a decent length of run and I have to do nothing more than walk in, switch on and have it going. This is aided by my methods of operating where I can just start from where I left off.



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I think I come under the 'older and less able' label John and you are very probably quite correct. Can't help thinking about it though.



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Best of luck with Barchester Mk III Robert, wether you decide on a roundy-roundy or an end-to-end,I'm sure it'll be a joy for us to watch develop.Looking forward to seeing you start on it!
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I had an idea for the duck under at my local train store. I told them to get an old office chair that could be lowered as low as possible, one on castors. Then all you had to do was sit down and scoot under the track, and stand up on the other side.

They haven't yet done that, but if your track is high enough to do that, I can't see why it wouldn't work.

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I have two tracks that span the entrance to the layout area; one brings trains back and forth from the upper level of the layout to the lower making it absolutely necessary for operation.  The other (the higher of the two in the picture) connects the upper loop. 

 
When working on the layout I remove the spans and access is easy, when operating the span becomes an obstacle at times.  Pick up a low stool with five casters and this allows an east slide in and out with a slight duck of the head…allowing the operation without an exercise program as part of the activities.

 



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Now we are cooking with gas chaps. I should have thought of that as I have been using such a chair in my other room. Been down again to measure the height of the slab at the back of the room. It's 4'8" high. It's solid concrete however so any layout covering it would have to be quite a bit higher to allow access underneath.



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You could use surface mounted point motors like Sol and run the main power bus in some concealed trunking at the front (which is actually very convenient) so you would only have to raise the baseboard 1/2" for the droppers to come out to the front where all the connections would be

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Irishnarrow wrote:
............. Pick up a low stool with five casters and this allows an east slide in and out with a slight duck of the head…a............
 

Bit of a s*d if you want to go north, south or west, though! :mutley:mutley:mutley:pedal

SWMBO is now starting to think she needs to put me on wheels......:shock:

Only kidding - I know it was just a typo, but I couldn't resist. Sorry. :mutley

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Robert wrote: Now we are cooking with gas chaps. I should have thought of that as I have been using such a chair in my other room. Been down again to measure the height of the slab at the back of the room. It's 4'8" high. It's solid concrete however so any layout covering it would have to be quite a bit higher to allow access underneath.
What about one of those trolleys that car mechanics use to slide under cars, Bob? That would allow access under the lowest duck-under. A trolley jack could then be strategically employed to get one vertical again. :mutley

Sorry, Boss. Just having a bit of fun. :oops: It's really great to see you planning a replacement layout for the one that got me back into railway modelling. :thumbs

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Bob,
Another idea I had would work for lower layouts. It involves making it your self, as I have never seen anything like it before.

I have never drawn it so explaining it may be a bit difficult, but here goes.

In order to get you thinking in the right direction lets take a old (very old) ladies walker, :oops: build in a floor very close to the ground in the middle of the four wheels. Place a thick layer of fairly dense foam on top of it, so you can knell down on top of the foam. This walker must have four wheels (most have two) all of which are not castors, so the walker will only roll in the line you point it in.

The side rails of the walker should be a bit lower than what they are on the actual walker, so that you can place your hands on them to help yourself knell and/or stand up.

The lower the layout, the farther forward you want the hand rails, so you would have to lean forward (thus you are lower) this would also keep your weight better centered on the four wheels. If the layout is real low, you can add a chest support that would hold your upper body without the use of your arms. I'd put some foam on that to, to make it more comfortable.

You can either push off as you knell down on one knee, or use your hands to propel yourself the short distance under the layout. Once on the other side you stand up again.

Of course your not going to use an actual walker, but that should give you an idea of what it should look and work like.

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A maybe mad idea, If the layout is in a groundfloor room/building, Excavate the floor under the baseboard problem area, put in some steps and walk under?

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Can't wait to see Bob scooting around on "Wayne's Walker".  You could even motorise it Bob and enter the Spanish Grand Prix :thumbs



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You may laugh Peter but I already have an electric buggy to get around on.
I will have to measure the height with me crouched over the handlebars.
I feel as if I am getting somewhere with this. Fortunately I don't have to consider anyone else as I don't think I will be having any visitors.



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