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 Posted: Wed Jan 6th, 2010 02:44 pm
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 Posted: Thu Jan 7th, 2010 06:40 pm
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BLG wrote: Do we have a member in Scotland or going to Scotland this year?

Could they get to John O Groats as the wagon will finish up 25 miles from Lands End so we could complete a photographic journey taking in the length of the country.

Or failing that Wick railway station to finish at  Penzance Station which I think is the 2 furthest points on the current railway network?

Or could someone contact First and arrange for the wagon to be transferred by rail from Penzance to Aberdeen or Aberdeen to Penzance (their longest route I think).  Jeff could send it off or receive it on its journey in March when he is in Cornwall for the West of England MRE.  By the way First used to provide and may still do some form of sponsorship to Redruth MRC so they may be able to help with a contact?

If this is the wrong place for this comment by all means transfer it elsewhere.



We have members in Scotland and I have registered with Petermac to be included in the itinerary. As far as I know Perth is probably the furthest North we can get but I do travel to Aberdeen and Inverness regularly (my contact in Inverness is keen on all things steam railway related and has a layout) so I wonder if a photograph of "Winston" in Aberdeen station would suffice. I will take a photo on my layout (well work in progress) and I could always take it to Perth station and photograph it there

Just some thoughts

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What about all the other members around the British Isles? I'm sure Winston will be asked to visit many more members on his travels, rather than just ride a coach / train from (almost) one end of the land to the other.

There's no shortage of us probably willing to take both wagons out to Land's End if really necessary though.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 08:22 am
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I'm not with you on this one Bryan. I would think that our best bet would be as Rick suggests and get the wagon posted to as many members as possible around the UK. I'm sure there are a lot waiting to take part. Peter will have numbers of course when he is back with us today.



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 Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 09:49 am
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But the whole thing is simplistic Bryan. It's what this forum is all about, simple participation. There are no ego trips here unless you want to count the whole forum. Some of our UK members, through no fault of their own, do not yet own a model railway, or are financially unable to do much at this time or think they don't have the necessary skills so this is a chance for them too to participate on quite a large scale and to help make them feel as if they really belong, which they do of course. This business of the wagon going from member to member is far more important to me than some anonymous corporation stepping in and impersonally transporting it for us. In fact I think that defeats the whole purpose of what we are trying to do and it will be far more impressive to the public when they can see the participants rather than some commercial logo. I know it would be to me anyway.

I'm sorry the above seems a bit gargled but I do feel quite strongly about this. Your views are also quite valid of course but different to mine.



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 Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 10:04 am
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I support the personal touch in having a wagon go from member to member. I find it hard to support a corporate sponsorship approach despite the fact I understand the logic behind that argument.

I also understand that Bryan's concept includes both the Aberdeen - Penzance trip and the round-Britain mailing though I cannot see compelling reasons to do the former.

The show is already promoted by Chris's business and to have that potentially hijacked by a multinational the size of First Group, who would want to impose their own theme, may remove the very personal element which at least most of us feel through being members here.

There is no "winning" in this because there is no competition. We are all equals and able to make an equal contribution if we so choose. And as Bob say there are no ego trips. I might be taking a higher profile than many members simply because a golden opportunity has been placed in my lap to get the World Wide Wagon moving. In other words I have taken the initiative in drawing several people closely together in time and space who might otherwise have never met.

If we had opted to transport Matilda by other means I would still have given what support I could.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 11:32 am
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I think that both Rick and Bob have missed the point here and are at cross purposes with what Bryan proposed.

As I read it Bryan had a marketing idea which could be used in addition to the wagon traveling around the members. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see nowhere any mention of "instead of" appearing.

At this moment in time, unless someone can tell me I'm wrong, I'm almost as frustrated as Bryan about this project and glad I suggested that someone else should handle it.

If there had been as much interest in supporting other things to do with the show as there's been in this, I'd be snowed under with members offering me bits & pieces for a joint module and inundated with offers of help in other things, as well as much more member interest.

The greatest achievement of this wagon project so far (which actually is a fantastic idea) has been to brass off the one member who has consistently offered me support, advice and offers of help with all I've been doing. 

When will we ever learn to read exactly what someone is trying to say instead of spending all our time banging on about very little in non-modelling topics ?

I give up.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 11:57 am
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Banging on eh, hmm, conjures up all kinds of pictures Jeff but at my age most of them don't include me.  :roll:

My stance is that first and foremost must come member participation. After everyone has had their chance of receiving and posting on the wagon then sure if there is still time to fit in another trip on a train then great, so be it, and I'm all for that but I think it certainly comes second to everything else.

In any case we have a member in charge of all this and presumably he will decide after reading all our "banging on".  ;-)



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 Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 12:10 pm
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Gwent Rail wrote:I think that both Rick and Bob have missed the point here ..... As I read it Bryan had a marketing idea which could be used in addition to the wagon traveling around the members.

Gwiwer wrote:I also understand that Bryan's concept includes both the Aberdeen - Penzance trip and the round-Britain mailing

I don't think I missed that point. It is equally not my intention to upset anyone along the way.

My area of concern was more around the corporate sponsorship aspect. If (for example) First Group were to take over as sponsors would we retain Chris's interest and input? If no then do we still even have a show?

The importance of the show is not worth sacrificing for the sake of a single wagon and how it travels in my opinion.

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 Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 02:54 pm
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I thought the wagons were to be photographed on members layouts, did I miss a bit :???:

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 Posted: Fri Jan 8th, 2010 02:58 pm
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You did not Lawrence, that's the whole object of the enterprise.



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Wow - what a lot has been going on since I last pogged on !!

From my point of view, without wishing to tread on any toes, the whole point of this exercise was to involve all our members in a bit of fun culminating in a well travelled wagon arriving at the first KYMR show in September.

As we looked at the various options, it became apparent that:

1. There might be some publicity mileage to be squeezed from the project and

2. It was felt that to have a single wagon going around the globe between now and the end of August, might be pushing our luck.

Hence, "Winston" and "Matilda" - the "UK" wagon, and the "World Wide Wagon"

I'm sure that any publicity will come from the fact that a global forum has passed these wagons,  person to person and photographed them at their various stop-overs.  Absolutely no offence Bryan or Jeff, but I really don't think there's anything particularly noteworthy about putting a scale model on a train and sending it from John O'Groats to Lands End or any of the extremities of the British mainland.

However, there IS something exciting about our wagons - they will visit as many of our members' layouts as they can - limited only by how many of our members want to be involved.  How many miles will that clock up and has that mileage EVER been done before by a scale model ?

Here's the list of UK members already "signed up" for the "Winston Wagon" voyage around the United Kingdom -

                 Alan
                 Christrerise
                 Chris Nevard
                 Dukedog
                 ElDavo
                 Geoff R
                 Gordons 19
                 Gwent Rail
                 Henryparrot
                 Ian Morton
                 Janner
                 Jim S-W
                 Ken
                 Lawrence
                 Mikencini
                 Mojo
                 Old Steamer
                 Owen
                 Perth Buddy
                 Phill
                 Pnwood
                 Sparky
                 Tetley
                 Wallreg
                 WD 198
                 Wheeltapper
                 87101


If you'd still like to join in, please PM me with your address and phone number ASAP so we can get "Winston" off on his journey.  There's still time but you are in danger of missing the train !!!!              

 



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That is great Peter and thanks for your help in getting this up and running, along with your Aussie cousin Rick who has organised that end of the world!

Just as a matter of interest, First Group do operate the trains in Scotland and also in Cornwall, but there is a fairly sizeable chunk between the two empires that no First Group train traverses anyway.

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Yes, I agree with Chris that Peter and Rick are doing a great job in organising this and I think they should be left to get on with it as they see fit without all the extra ideas/suggestions however well intentioned - perhaps a case of too many cooks...........?:roll::lol:

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I think with those three it will be a case of water off a ducks back and the whole thing will be under way on time, and as they want it.



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has that mileage EVER been done before by a scale model ?

When we have the totals for both wagons I shall be interested to compare with what is a normal mileage for most of my own purchases.

Put simply most rolling stock I purchase has travelled from China to the UK and then on to me in Australia which is already a mighty distance. In days past it might have just gone from Kent to Cornwall.

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Ah yes Rick but that doesn't count !!

The stuff you buy new from UK has arrived here in a shipping container along with several thousand others.  Matilda is going on her own with regular stop-overs, a photo call, maybe a cuddle and a quick stretch of the wheels before heading off again.  A real globe-trotter (or a "tramp" depending on whether you're army or navy :roll::roll::lol::lol:).

That's surely a first !!!!!



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 maybe a cuddle That's surely a first !!!!!


Ok now i done many a thing in my past and checkered life in the Army and even in my civillian life, tounge on track come's to mind but i draw the line at this kinky idea ok, :twisted: :thud.

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Interesting project and i wish you luck, but i wouldnt make too much of it being the first. New Railway Modellers van was hosted all round the world a couple of years ago. as far as i know it may still be travelling. Here it is on my Lainten;



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