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My wife and I recently had the good fortune to host Gordons19 at Tetleys Towers and he is clever. He even has a proper camera, and he knows how to use it! Gordon took this shot of one of my WD's crossing my latest creation, a four feet viaduct built on a gentle curve with track emerging from a cutting and my Rotten Row development on the hillside. Another really clever guy manipulated the image and added the moorland back scene.

This combination epitomizes what I'm trying to achieve with my layout. In my opinion you don't need to spend a hundred hours or more making one small building and set it in isolation nor add every rivet to a hand built loco. It's 'Only OO' and ready to run at that but it works for me and I'm my biggest critic.

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I'm still a novice on this forum and since I am to computing what a politician is to honesty I'm not yet up to speed on the clever stuff. Since I cannot yet see how I can add script to the image on 'My Layouts' category I'll do it this way. Perhaps I should add the script first?

My wife and I recently had the good fortune to host Gordons19 at Tetleys Towers and he is clever. He even has a proper camera, and he knows how to use it!Gordon took this shot of one of my WD's crossing my latest creation, a four feet viaduct built on a gentle curve with track emerging from a cutting and my Rotten Row development on the hillside. Another really clever guy manipulated the image and added the moorland back scene.

This combination epitomizes what I'm trying to achieve with my layout. In my opinion you don't need to spend a hundred hours or more making one small building and set it in isolation nor add every rivet to a hand built loco. It's 'Only OO' and ready to run at that but it works for me and I'm my biggest critic.

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Dave i fully agree with your statement regarding the viewing distance off any structure. It is extremely easy to get carried away with detail that nobody ever would see unless they used a telescope.

Yes concentrate on your foreground and close structures but as the distance grows back off on the detail.

I know some people like to do every structure to the same grade but if you are doing a rather large project one has to be realistic with the amount of lifespan us humans have.

cheers Brian

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Brian,

Unfortunately I am now of an age when I require reading glasses and the only time I become aware of missing or less precise detail on models is when they are photographed close up. Since I am fortunate to have hosted a good many professional photographers to my layout I do ensure that there are no glaring shadow lines or gaps beneath buildings. All my buildings are removeable for cleaning so this is not always easy, I also detail all four sides of every building which some of the professionals do not. I believe positioning and grouping of buildings is more important than prototypical fidelity.

What I don't get wrapped up with is unnecessary fussing about, I know a bit about real building so I once added brackets to gutters and downpipes then forgot which building had them because I certainly couldn't see which did not have them!

Having said all that, my all time favourite building is the station on Happisburgh exhibition layout, sheer brilliance and it kicks all my arguments in to touch, well worth putting the reading glasses on for and I could spend ages admiring it. The same cannot be said for a good many more which purport to have taken an age to make but just don't look right in their setting.


I'll dig out some discs and upload some more images of Tetleys Mills. I'm afraid there are scores of little cameo scenes so members may well rue the day I started posting.

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Dave dont worry about the volume of photos you will soon learn all this lot love photos.

Are you still working on your tetley milss project or have you moved on to something else now?

cheers Brian

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Tetley no we won`t, so post away.

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Tetley wrote: I'm still a novice on this forum and since I am to computing what a politician is to honesty I'm not yet up to speed on the clever stuff. Since I cannot yet see how I can add script to the image on 'My Layouts' category I'll do it this way. Perhaps I should add the script first?


Dave, to illustrate how to add text, I've done it in your opening post for you to see (I hope this is what you meant)

Simply hit the return bar after inserting your photo and type away as normal and you have it.

Alternatively, type your text, hit return twice at the end, click on the "upload new photo for insertion" button and follow the instructions (just like photobucket)   ...   voila -- text and photo underneath.

The advantage of using our gallery :question:question   ...   ease of use and photo automatically reduced to our preferred width of 800 :thumbs:thumbs


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Thanks to you and Gordon for a great image of Tetley, Gordon for the low angle of the photo, and yourself for the modelling. very very good on both counts.

Couple of questions if I can

First, how big is Tetley, and do you have a track plan

Second, how long have you been working on the layout

Third, are most of your building made from card

I just love the look of Tetley from the few photo's that we have seen, it has real atmosphere, and looks just right :thumbs the sort of modelling that I try to achieve, which more me is more important than having everything correct and spot on.

Can't wait for more images

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Don't worry about being a novice, Dave.  We all started out that way; some like me not too long ago.  We each have our strengths and lift each other as we go.  The little bit I've seen promises much.  The camera shows most of us what we haven't seen, but it's great when we get it right.  Show us more, please. :thumbs

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I have always enjoyed your layoutit is an inspiration.  Looking forward to more photos.

 

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2nd attempt to add a message, the original script may re-appear but was lost to me as I tried to add an image. I'll try and answer some of the questions posed so far.

I'll keep trying.




My God the system works!

Right here we go again.

Tetleys Mills is housed in the slightly lower level extension visible at the back of our home, I built this in 1994-95 so 'the Current Mrs Shakespeare' should have a bay area from which she could admire her magnificent garden, she's the clever one, I'm just general handyman come grass cutter. Anyway having furnished the bay area I was still left with an empty space 8m x 5m so what's a chap supposed to do? I built my train set which is 23' 6" x 10' (Sorry about the unit of measurement mish mash, I build metric and model imperial). The original Tetleys Mills was the layout featured in Model Rail's launch on 20th September 1997, I recall the date because we delayed testing a new Honda VFR to buy the mag and were then splattered across a Lincolnshire road by a young lady who parked her 4 x 4 on top of me and the Honda, Mrs Shakespeare meanwhile was re-living her days during 'Operation Market Garden' as she practised her Parachute landings sans parachute but I digress. Anyway I was becoming disatisfied with the first layout which wasn't as good as I would have liked but it was then attacked by woodworm and the whole lot was stripped back to bare baseboards and treated.

Having a new blank canvas I re-built the whole lot from what had been an overlapped figure of eight into a seperate outer main line with storage loops. this is the line which featured in the new viaduct images recently posted. Unfortunately I could not completely remove the previous gradients entirely so I'm left with a length of 1.60 ish and the main line station is up to 50mm higher than the terminus. I will never have main line gradients again!


  

Sorry about the blurred image and I do not like overhead shots but this may give an idea of the track layout whilst breaking up my endless written narative. Taken from a raised entrance landing the main line station is on the left with all storage tracks on the right, a five platform terminus is ajacent to Tetleys Mills Bull Ring station which serves as an interchange since the two track systems are deliberately not linked to do so would not look realistic and would only complicate operating sessions. Tetleys Mills terminus is served by seperate storage tracks ajacent and again not linked to those of the main line. In front of the storage tracks on the right is the single line branch from the terminus serving the small industrial town of Barden, the station named Barden Road. (The road on Eastmoor Council Estate in Wakefield where I grew up in sight of the L&Y main line to Leeds and Manchester via Wakefield Kirkgate.




The whole railway from the opposite end and only slightly sharper than the other one. But all is not lost because it teases and frustrates in so much as members will have to investigate the individual images I have in store if you want to investigate further.

GOOD GOD I JUST THOUGHT I'D LOST EVERYTHING AGAIN! i'D BETTER SOON POST AND ADD ANOTHER ENTRY.

The current layout featured again in Model Rail as The Barden Branch in  April 2003 and twice more during 2005 when the terminus was completed so that gives a time scale as to the period of building all done incidentaly by me and only me, I have no team of helpers.  It is sort of ongoing hence the new viaduct alterations and I've gradually replaced the odd building. However I  am presently appealing through the Secretary of State over a planning application to build a new house for Julie, and me in our back garden. The local council planning  department have been deliberately obstructive so any future building is likely to meet with further obstructions. If all goes to plan there will be a completely new Tetleys Mills layout in another purpose built room 7.1m x 5.5m watch this space.

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Dave, here's a few more pics that I took a couple of weeks ago....





















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I knew this was going to be stunning stuff Dave. :thumbs

That viaduct shot is just amazing - there's no doubt about it, it could easily be the real thing.  The way those terraced houses follow the hillside is so typical of the area you are modelling - house above and below the railway - tunnels and moorland.  West Yorkshire brilliantly modelled. :cheers:cheers

I'm a little concerned that you've said you'd never have mainline gradients again - even at 1:60 :???::???:  I am just doing some re-planning for mine (somewhere in the Pennines) and I wanted to use gradients to allow me some extra space - do you really mean it's a no-no ?

 

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Oh boy !!!  Gordon posted those as I posted mine.  Wow and wow !!!!

The warehouse in photo 4 could just be the one (albeit less floors) in Huddersfield station and photo 6 could be the view from the Huddersfield to Leeds train passing through Dewsbury.  For those of you who don't know the rugged beauty of the West Riding of Yorkshire - I can assure you these shots are as near the real thing as you'll ever get !!!

I'm going back to study them in detail :doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb

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First, thanks Gordon for posting your own images of Tetleys Mills, I'm a bit concerned you managed to get Julie's half empty beer glass on show but thankfully yours and my mineral water bottles were out of shot, we wouldn't want the forum to think we allow strong drink to pass our lips.

Petermac.

There are many modellers who will disagree and in fact Gordons19 has included many gradients into his own layout and knowing how thorough Gordon is, he will have tested everything and it will work, although he has DCC.

I personally will not include gradients onto any future main line although branch lines are another matter. Things are not too bad since I re-engineered the viaduct and approach to Tetleys Mills Bull Ring station and I've managed to ease the gradient a little. I run 26 wagon goods and seven coach passenger trains, modern diesels are OK but even Bachmann WD's have previously struggled up the gradients which I admit are testing since I tend to run at slow speeds. Another problem I have experienced and one which I have witnessed on a leval DCC layout is that the during winter months condensation can settle on the track including human breath which can cause loss of adhesion. It is purely a personal opinion and confined to my own layout but I would advise anybody to test loco performance before committing to a given gradient.

Now for something totally different.

LIVE STEAM AT TETLEYS MILLS.

A few years ago a none modelling friend asked if she could bring a couple of her friends to see tetleys Mills, any friend of Janet is a friend of mine so I agreed.

The friend turned out to be no other than Brian Caton, those unfamilier with the name should be aware that he probably builds the smallest live steam locos in the world. These are OO but not working to Hornby's system using 18v. Brian's use ordinary 12 volt from the track to work the regulator although the boiler is heated by lighter gas / propane. Unfortunately the visit was during summer and so the actual steam is not visible but take it from me these are live steam and they perform as well as any eletric loco. 








Now that is what I call model engineering. A live steam OO Sentinel.

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Now that is a beautiful layout. It is great to see another new one on the forum too. I am sure I have seen this one in one of the MR magazines. I remember the wonderfil station forecourt. Outstanding stuff. More pictures please.

Those little steam engines are amazing too, engineering masterpieces.

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 The photos in post No 16 are amazing Dave, and the one over the viaduct is outstanding. :doublethumb

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OMG You have a pond in your garden and you are growing .............opps sorry wrong forum :roll::roll:

Dave

Outstanding modelling, like you mentioned the photo's showing all the different areas will blow our minds away, a special shot down each street and from every angle, can you tell me, did you plan the layout or build as you went, because all the buildings just seem to fit into all the spaces just right.

I guess that you have used a lot of printed brick paper ?

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OMG  A "novice" - I don't think so.  Fantastic. :exclam

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you have a very lovely layout it looks as though you have captured atmosphere very well indeed .

There must been umpteen cameos across the whole layout which i look forward to seeing photos of if possible when you have time to post them

cheers Brian

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Dave, is that a heron I can see reflected bottom left in your home/garden pic?

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Gordon nah it looks more like a mink to me :lol::lol:

cheers Brian

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Great pic,s.

Keep them coming.

I,m an ex Yorkshire person ( politically correct ) and the atmosphere is brilliant as Petermac has said.

Regards,

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Brilliant stuff Dave and well worth your perseverance in posting. Some info on what you use for your buildings and how you make them would also be appreciated. :thumbs:thumbs

A tip on adding photos   ...   when adding after a block of text, hit return not once, but twice. This will ensure that all your wording stays above the photo where you intended it to be. Also do the same when adding a number of photos after each other and a space will be left between them.

Keep 'em coming, I'm enjoying this. :doublethumb

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A quick post guys to answer a few more questions, when I get more time I'll try and find some images I took of my buildings in various stages of construction which will show just how I make them.

Gordon, no it wasn't a heron and I still haven't trapped the b---dy squirrel either, it's chewed every one of my nuts off!!!!!!!!!!!

There is not a single piece of brickpaper on the whole layout, I've used some Slaters plastic card especially their stone in both 4mm and 7mm to give the massive sizes so common in West Riding retaining walls. Some brick work on my signal boxes which is probably Southeastern Finecast. They and Slaters produce 7mm and even 10mm straight bond brickwork which is ideal for 4mm dressed stone which I now use a lot. There are areas using DAS clay which I really like and since Gordon couldn't adapt to his own purchase I've got a couple of extra packs to use. DAS is great for producing bespoke stone work if you have the patience and really perfect for Yorksone pavers, my methods will be fully described in posts to come.  I'll try and post another couple of images to brighten up the written word then I must put my Marigolds on and get stuck in to some housework.




This is my very first building and pre-dates tetleys Mills by a good few years, it is a Linka kit made up from individual plaster castings, an old and some would say out of date system but check out that roof, perfect Collyweston style stone effect roof tiles.

Maybe a little twee Pendon style for Tetleys Mills but it shows I try and adopt or at least give a try to every method.



Wrong image! However The bridge is card covered in DAS whilst the abutments are Slaters 7mm plasticard, this bridge is due a makeover this winter. The peat stained river is sand and grit covered in resin, expensive and it stinks but there is no substitute, it all gets dusty though. The ground cover on the left is home made and another money saver.



That's better. Image 334 NOT 344 ! The local Police Superintendent is having a point with the local beat copper, since I took this the Super, got the use of a flash 'new' Ford Zephyr and The Wolsey has gone back to my mate dave Bean. The Shakespeare Hotel has also been given a more conservative paint job of Black and Gold rather than the brewery's colours. The Hotel is DAS scribed wet and then further fettled when dry. The post office is DAS smoothed out to give a render effect and the two end shops are smoothed DAS with a fully dressed stone finish. The Yorkstone Pavers are DAS and the cobbled street is DAS allowed to dry and scribed with hundreds of individual cobbles. This can give me 'Repetitive TRAIN syndrome' according to the domestic staff.  The whole scene is at Barden on the branch line.

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Lovely work.

(If you ever need a rest from the DIY strain, Wills do a very similar cobbled street).

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I've got a small area of Wills cobbles.  It'''''''''''''s Ok BUT.

Expensive, not that easy to cut without a piercing saw, small areas, and once it is glued down it starts to bow as the impact glue dries out, much cheaper, easier to use and I believe pretty good looking is Metcalf's cobbles, I've used them on some of my platforms and goods yard, weather them and they are very passable cobbles.. Please note in goods yards the cobbles didn't usually but up to the rails, more common was lengths of old sleepers and then cobbles, I'll post an image or two in due course.

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Great pictures Dave, I have just edited the post slightly to include a return before and after each picture as the text was wrapping incorrectly as originally posted.

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Dave more lovely piccys

Your tree in the river scene i asume the use of wire and more Das clay there to to create the Trunk and branchwork

It is an extremely good looking tree

cheers Brian

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I especially like this image, the retaining walls are 7mm slaters and all removeable as is the scenery to access a tunnel, I can remove all the tunnels for this purpose, takes more time to build but so much easier in the long run, there is now a large extension to the meat factory hiding the wall. The station building is Townstreet, I fell in love with it although not quite right for the area, I justify it by suggesting the line hit a clay seam during construction and they built a brick works having fallen out with the local stone quarry. A bit tenuous but hey, I've seen worse and it also justifies the brick boundry wall covered in those lovely enamel advertising signs, out of date but too expensive for british Railways to remove. The 'flighty' looking lass underneath the lamp post is waiting for her beau who's slaking his thirst across the road in The Shakespeare Hotel, meanwhile the workman is making his way to the same hotel at the end of his working day. The pavements are again DAS as is the road with a few more hundred cobbles.

 




 

More DAS. This time used to render  a failing wall but the render has it's self failed and fallen clear. Another problem with Wills sheets can be spotted on the hotel roof, you cannot get a decent run of tiles, the white line is not a bad join I deliberately had two roof lines with a 'cement' haunching to weatherproof it





 

Rotten Row. A group of houses on the hillside above the canal. Each of these buildings includes an odd angle so they fit into the scenery rather than 'on' the scenery. I will do a seperate post in the future to explain how they were built. Removeable and very robust but even close scrutiny will not reveal any shadow lines, I think the dog is contemplating a quick round of Hop Scotch.





 

A dreaded overhead shot but it does illustrate the DAS Yorkstone pavers and the cobbles.

Prime the surface with PVA and allow to dry. Roll thin long sausages of white DAS between the palms and spread onto the primed surface. With a wetted plastic tube or smooth wood spread the DAS DO NO NOT ROLL LIKE PASTRY (I once saw a demonstration by a guy doing this and a, it costs a fortune and b. it takes an age to dry and c. it's too thick.) With practise you can get the DAS down to about 1mm depth consistantly over the surface. When dry scribe the lines and do your cobbles.  The pavers a slightly different.

 Once I've done the cobbles I staple 1.5mm photo mounting card formers to act as a pavement boundary this way you can have nice curves as well. Spread your sausages of DAS and smooth with your roller and flush with the cardboard former, whilst still damp I then drag a dry spatula across the surface which gives a slight rippled or riven effect. Carefully remove the cardboard former having run a sharp knife allong the joint line and leave to dry. Next scribe your individual pavers not forgetting long thin kerb edge stones. I paint individual flags with a slight variation of colour and when dry I matt varnish the lot. When the varnish has dried I give a weak black wash which allows the joints to fill slightly with the black paint whilst toning down the harlequine effect of the individually painted pavers.

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thanks for the description how you did the road cobbles and pavement i may actually try that myself in my town area i am working on at the moment what you have achieved there is very effective obviuosly with a bit of practise first.

I can now see how Gordon got the inspiration for his walling he has done on his eastwood layout im sure he left your house with that idea using the 7mm slaters engrained on his mind.

cheers Brian

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I just think that the trouble you go to to make you buildings and roads etc, makes all the difference, do you think somethink else like palster would do the job as well, or have you tried that.

Thanks for posting such interesting posts with the photos and all the text explaining how you have built things :thumbs

Guess I got it wrong when I asked how much printed paper had you used, sorry :oops:

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This layout is amazing Dave. So much detail, it takes you age's to move to the next one.

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I have been aware of this layout from its well known profile elsewhere and some stunning images posted of it.

These add substantially to that record of a superbly crafted layout.

If I was a hat wearing person I would take mine off to you Dave but instead and more in keeping with my style I'll raise the blunt end of a bottle of red loopy juice and celebrate your workmanship with what comes out of the narrow end :cheers:cheers:cheers

Sterling work.

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First to Alan.

I'm not in any way offended by the suggestion of brick paper, check out Gordons19 and his recently purchased ex-Alan Downes buildings, I am a regular visitor to their original owner and his layout and they really are as good as they look and covered in brick paper, Gordon's new MPD is finished in Yellow London Brick Stocks and I think it would be very difficult to convincingly re-create them in anything other than brick paper. My comments merely relate to my current layout which is of a stone building style but I certainly would not hesitate to recommend GOOD QUALITY brick paper.

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You are right, it will take some effort to re-house the layout but I can remove, clean and replace ALL of the buildings in a day, what will take the time is re-wiring and those fine detailing jobs. When I do move into the planned new house it will be a completely new build layout to fit the new railway room but I will use as many buildings as possible. I'll have the new layout up and running within 18 months of starting. I already have the layout plan but I don't want to flood the forum with Dave Shakespeare's projects.

 

Another member asked if I had considered using plaster for my structures. Well the answer to that is the previously posted Linka pub image which is built from plaster wall and roof modules. Secondly, check out my new viaduct. That is a prototype for a much larger one on the new layout. I made the arch, the pillar and plinth as three seperate items, made silicone rubber moulds and then cast about 13 of each so far. I fettle each arch and plinth and add slight variations to stone pattern but once the initial work has been done I can whip off castings pretty quick and my new layout will feature a main viaduct 13 feet long! I'm sold on plaster mould making and I will develope some more moulds for dry stone walls and other repeat items.

A few more images for those interested.

 




The lighting has really caught the 7mm plasticard retaining wall to perfection. Note how the lower wall leans backwards to resist the thrust from the ground behind.  Too many modellers just stick some plasticard on to a sheet of hardboard or MDF and stand it vertically to finish off the layout edge and then wonder why it doesn't look right. Spend some extra time with the detail and anybody can create attractive cameos. The grounded coach is the ubiquitous ex Triang GWR Clerestory, sprayed satin black to represent bitumin protection whilst the rooof is matt black 'tired' roofing felt, I've blanked out some of the windows to suggest seperate interior rooms. Any coach resting on the earth would not last five minutes so I've raised mine up on some old balsa wood sleepers so of course, steps are needed for access ofh and remember a chimney for the stove. Not many porters, shunters had a car in the 1950's so add a bike shed. An afternoons work and you've got another interesting cameo scene.





This is an old scene and shows the previous alignment of the main line which now has a sexy curve across the viaduct and also four tracks instead of two but a nice shot of two WD's on loaded and empty coal trains which was an almost costant procession  along most West Riding rail routes.

 




Unless you are modelling a one engine in steam branch line, small single Airfix / Dapol engine sheds with an A4 or GWR Castle sticking out of it are well naff and more Thomas the Tank Engine so, since I don't have space for a proper MPD I only have engine servicing facilities and a few holding tracks the MPD is elsewhere. I knocked up this coaling stage during a wet winter's afternoon and used all my odds and ends, it cost very little but does add interest without I hope looking out of place.

 




An ancient Airfix Royal Scot re-numbered and named for a Bradford Low Moor Duke of Wellington' Own Yorkshire Regiment (or similar) seeing her fianal years out on mundane parcels hauling duties.  The footbridge was inspired by a similar one at Ardsley Station between Wakefield and Leeds, it took a whole weekend to make but was necessary to break up the long plate girder bridge which deliberately bisects tetleys Mills station area. It prevents you seeing everything in one view, I want visitors to have to investigate various nooks and crannies some regular visitors are still discovering little jems and ginnels (Yorkshire alleyways)

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Dave, I'm interested in your experiences with Linka.  I have the moulds and have played around with them a bit but not with too much success.  The castings seem fairly brittle and, whilst I can snap them along the stone course lines, trying the other way, or cutting around where I want windows etc,  usually results in disaster.  Is there a trick I'm missing ?

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Outstanding modelling, like you mentioned the photo's showing all the different areas will blow our minds away, a special shot down each street and from every angle, can you tell me, did you plan the layout or build as you went, because all the buildings just seem to fit into all the spaces just right.

I guess that you have used a lot of printed brick paper ?



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 Sorry, I missed answering one of your questions. Although I planned the railway side of things the scenery and especially the building siting sort of just evolved. I use open frame baseboards so I can build 'into' the ground, too many promising layouts are spoiled by modellers having only a passing interest in the none railway elements and they end up just plonking a ready made building into any free space. Like most of our breed I've got plenty of railway photo books which I never tire of browsing, I'll spot a picture which I then use to inspire a new model scene. I can also just look at a space and I know exactly what is required to fill it and I instinctively know what it will look like when finished. 

Everybody thought I was crackers to destroy the Tetleys Mills iconic cast iron arch and viaduct but I just knew how I could improve it and how it would look. I don't want to sound conceited but I'm always right in respect of improving my own model railway.

I'm presently posting images from one early recorded disc, check out later postings of improved areas and hopefully you can see exactly what I mean, it might only be a new building or a replaced building but a little extra work always pays dividends.




Check out the above building which replaces the one present in the recently posted image showing the two WD's passing under the foot bridge, I consider it a marked improvement.

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Dave some great images and thanks for the explanations.

The one thing that is coming through to me as you post these images is Grime

That to me is one thing you have done that many of us dont do and  think that has made a great deal of differance to giving your layout a more real natural look.

cheers Brian

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This is a amazing bit of modeling. The attetion to detail is amazing. I look at a pic and i am still there 5 mins later brilliant. I love the way you blend the buildings into the layout.

I recall the article in the hormby mag and to this day i often re- read it, just fascinating.

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Petermac wrote: Dave, I'm interested in your experiences with Linka.  I have the moulds and have played around with them a bit but not with too much success.  The castings seem fairly brittle and, whilst I can snap them along the stone course lines, trying the other way, or cutting around where I want windows etc,  usually results in disaster.  Is there a trick I'm missing ?


Peter,

I used my Linka a lot about 17 years ago and we lived near the UK distributor who had made some really stunning models however, it is not without it's problems and you've discovered some of them. The actual rubber moulds can vary in their flexibility depending, I think, on the amount of silicone or whatever used, some items are easy to remove but others are more difficult. I used to batch cast and had boxes of parts but this means you end up with all your buildings sharing common windows, doors etc. The casting plaster is very easy to scribe extra detail into but this softness does make them prone to breaking, using harder plaster similar to that used by Jim Hendry in his brilliant Townstreet range gives a much stronger casting but as I discovered when I used it on my viaduct project it is very, very difficult to scribe.

I used a piercing saw to cut some of my castings but the failure rate means you do need some spares. I actually disposed of all my Linka stuff a good few years ago. It did encourage my current 'bomb proof' building methods though. Model Rail were arriving to do a video shoot, I picked up a row of terrace houses to clean them and they disintegrated!




I'd almost forgotten about this lot which were  lurking up some back alley, I made them about 13 years ago and are not to my current standards but do employ Linka parts which if memory serves me right I probably mounted onto a firm backing board which I then attached to plywood sides, base and back. They represent a low relief terrace so are more robust, I disguised the usual panel joints by re-scribing the plaster which I recall was actually cast in brickwork, as you can see it is now stonework, I had a lot more patience 'when I were a lad' and had less available money for modelling. The roof is just paper stone tiles, not Linka.

 




A similar story but this one does use Linka roof panels, to be honest I wouldn't have this in a prominent position but it fills a gap. Try Pollyfilla or a similar SMOOTH decorating filler which is easy to carve but does take longer to set than casting plaster.




I kocked this up from my bits box about 12 years ago, this time the doors and windows are castings supplied by Jim Hendry of Townstreet as a gift amongst other items purchased, the roof isn't really accurate but I had bought the Wills tiles by mistake and they are too expensive for a Yorkshireman to throw away. Again it isn't in a prominent position.

It also illustrates how I can remove  my buildings for cleaning or repair. As you exiles can note, we are now in the grip of Autumn

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I've just returned from my other fetish.  Road cycles, a local serious cycle store, lots of eye candy and my wallet was all of a twitch but I resisted. To get it out of my system I'll try and get back to railway modelling by posting a few more images.

 





One of Wakefield shed's scores of WD's is returning light engine to Healey Mills yard in the Calder Valley after bringing in a pick up goods. This is one of my favourite poses The wool warehouse is built over two levels with a wagon hoist linking the yard level with a basement accessed only by road through a viaduct arch. Built from foam board and covered with DAS which I scribed. Somebody commented on the grime on all my buildings, in reality during this period all railway buildings in this are were virtually jet black but I chose to leave some stone visible I dust all my buildings with a mix of black powder paint and talcum powder which tones everything down matt black is too stark.


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Doncaster based 9F is hauling steel from Scunthorpe to Bradford and passing through a cutting just prior to the viaduct. The 7mm slaters plasticard covered wall is the dividing point and support for the embankment and hillside above since I can remove the whole lot to access a tunnel beneath, can you see the joint? Hopefully not this might just find it's way onto my new layout to save a few days construction work.

 




The things I do for you boys! I risked life and limb not to mention getting in the s---t with the railway coppers for trespassing in the tunnel to grab this shot of Normanton based Stanier 8F hauling coal from Crofton yards to Bradford. Another good example of the use of 7mm plasticard.

 




A very early shot of the canal scene, I've since raised the water level quite a bit but at the expense of losing the lovely deep sheen of the resin, I used varnish for the new water which is not nearly so effective.

 




 

A D.C. Kits Derby Lightweight leaving Barden Road en-route for Tetleys Mills and then Bradford Exchange. The bridge is ply covered with DAS and the grass is car insulation.

 




Barden Road coal yard, note the ex-private owner wagon above the men working beneath, "what private owner wagon?" I hear you ask. I bought a couple of triple wagon packs of really pretty private owner wagons from Hattons at a giveaway price and believe me, you do not want 'pretty' prestine pre-war private owner wagons on a British Raiways layout it looks NAFF! They were taken into common user use during the war and never returned to their original owners post war. I virtually rubbed off the original livery just leaving enough to be interesting, replaced several damaged planks with unpainted wood, not brown but buff or aged grey, then add British Railways ex PO number panels from Modelmaster. They do add interest to a train. The signal box has since been replaced.

 




 

Part of my loco servicing and holding sidings, the J50 is shunting a wagon on to the wagon hoist to descend into the bowels of the warehouse at the lower level. (No it doesn't work)

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Aother great load of pics and again the detail is amazing. I love the canal scene best.

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The first piccy in your last post of the goods and wool depot with the WD in front and the Dmu further back.

Now that to me is an exceptional photo that has been taken there  Whoever took it requires a star that shows off extremely well what a very good modelling job you have done and im sure many would love to equal that quality on their layouts.

cheers Brian

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Wow try picking a favourite out of that lot! Superb.

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 Wow try picking a favourite out of that lot! Superb.


 

 Errm..................All of them. :doublethumb

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henryparrot wrote: Dave

The first piccy in your last post of the goods and wool depot with the WD in front and the Dmu further back.

Now that to me is an exceptional photo that has been taken there  Whoever took it requires a star that shows off extremely well what a very good modelling job you have done and im sure many would love to equal that quality on their layouts.

cheers Brian


 

Brian

 

Please don't accuse me of taking good photographs!

I can spot the pose and the potential as I did here, what I then do is print off a number of thumbprints and when none railway modelling professional snappers visit to illustrate a magazine article I ask them to photograph the pose properly.

I did warn everybody that there might be overkill on Tetleys Mills but it is so densely populated with buildings, streets and alley ways plus the odd river and canal there are scores and scores of potential images, I'm still finding new ones after all these years.

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The first piccy in your last post of the goods and wool depot with the WD in front and the Dmu further back.

Now that to me is an exceptional photo that has been taken there  Whoever took it requires a star that shows off extremely well what a very good modelling job you have done and im sure many would love to equal that quality on their layouts.

cheers Brian


Totally agree, I think this is the best of all the images shown so far.

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There's no such thing as over-kill with a layout of this quality Dave. :thumbs

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Ardsley based J50 shunts the yard at Barden Road after bringing in the morning pick up goods.  There are quite a few factories at the small branch station including a large meat factory. The track on this siding is SMP which is less robust than Peco but oh so much better looking.  The van has had a panel repaired and the bauxite paint doesn't match the weathered out original, a little detail that adds variation to a train.

 




 

 

Still shunting at Barden Road the J50 is drawing fruit vans away from Pledges jam and pickle factory. I buy cheaper rolling stock at exhibitions and then invent an industry to justify them, in this case the fruit vans, I did the same with shock vans a molasses tanker and even some china clay wagons.

 




In my opinion nothing disappoints me more at exhibitions than a well made layout with spotless motive power and trains of identical rolling stock straight out of the box. However this disreputable B1 might be taking things a bit too far, although in authentic condition for the period she is visiting from Gateshead shed who didn't waste valuable time cleaning their A4s so this poor mixed traffic loco stands no chance.

 




 

Normanton based flying pig 43043 is beautiful in her ugliness as she brings a parcels train into Tetleys Mills. The bridge arch is Slaters 7mm cotswold plastic sheet with DAS clay used to form the arch stones whilst the base is larger dressed stone in random sizes. I use this bridge span to break up the view along the station to give an illusion of distance, this stone bridge gives way to a series of plate girder spans which was quite common, presumeably a mason's work rate was less than the cost of steel plate girders which were only used when necessary. It also add more interest, it is fully removeable because there are two surface mounted point motors beneath the approach masonry operating a double slip beneath the arch. Another feature not visible but which really improves the look of the whole bridge are the support masonry columns, I formed irregular shapes to give maximum bearing, thereby reducing the individual spans and cost to the railway company. With the columns made and covered in plasticard I positioned the bridge roadway made from a single length of 9mm ply and wide enough for two lanes and two pavements, with everything in place I positioned the support columns exactly so as  to give full clearance to rail traffic after which they were secured with pva and screws. Although 3 feet long this bridge is very rigid and as mentioned easy to remove. The plate girders are 40 thou plasticard with plasticard ribs but I've also included rivet detail from a sheet of, I think Slaters rivet detail, painted grey and then when dry a very thin wash of black which settles on the rivet detail and in nooks and crannies, When everything has dried a dusting with rusty weathering powders. To watch a train slowly emerge from beneath is far nicer than just watching the same train travel in constant view.

 

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The same bridge but showing the yard trackwork, a class 25 awaits the right of way to return to Healey Mills yard whilst a class 4 standard mogul enters the loco servicing area. This loco has since been sold since she wasn't really in her correct operational area; an Airfix body a forty year old Bristol Models heavy brass chassis, Romford wheels, Southeastern Finecast valve gear and all propelled through a Hornby / Triang three pole XO4 motor and indeterminable gearing. A recipe for disaster but because I fitted pick ups to all loco and tender wheels she ran as smooth as silk across every bit of track at really slow speeds though, I have to admit she sounded like a bag of spanners.

 




 

Another one of those 'instant magic' moments when I spotted this scene. A laden Foden artic pulls out of a warehouse / mill yard, I just wish it was easier to bend the axles into a more authentic turning angle.

I'm at The Peterborough Show Ground for an exhibition in the morning so I may be inspired to do a bit more modelling, I only attend as a paying punter. My layout is not portable and I couldn't be enthusiastic for dealing with some of the p----s who stand opposite a magnificent work of art and criticise some inane and worthless point. They do exist believe me, and they are usually the ones who don't wash.


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That last shot of the Foden could be around the canal areas - where the University Halls now are - in Huddersfield Dave.   The cobbled roads,  the low round-topped wall and the big square fall-pipes. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

But I suppose it's rather typical of most of the West Riding mill towns.  Lots of "small" private mills and factories involved in all sorts of light engineering and other industries - including "pickles" - a great Yorkshire export !!!

Knowing the area so well, I can say it really is most impressive stuff.

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Dave the photo with the class25 and the mogul is what i call a look twice photo many would look at that and believe it is a real world photo

cheers Brian

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Superb work. Both the modelling and the photography. Just as you feel a pristine train on an exhibition layout spoils the effect so can a poorly photographed layout of otherwise excellent quality.

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You,d ave to be a **##@!^ hopeless photographer to spoil this layout.

It takes its own pictures.

One of the most impressive layouts I have ever seen and one we all aspire to copy.

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:wowWith such an influx of high quality pictures we sure need a "picture of the day" feature!:wow

 

Thomas, waiting for more pictures to come!

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HELP!

We are hosting my two eldest grandchildren and my middle son this weekend so I must appologise up-front.

There is a real danger I'll hijack not just this post but the whole forum. All my family are lovely and especially my grandkids, all six are as daft as my wife and me and all have been brought up to eat everything other kids do not, they are not whingey nor whiney kids and I've just had a good day with Callum, my eldest grandson at Peterborough show followed by a couple of hours playing trains here at Tetleys Towers.

My problem is, they've hijacked my tele! And on a night of not one but TWO HOURS of  'X' factor!!!!!!**************!!!!!  For the first time in history we had Eastenders on our tele last night, I accidentally tuned into Corry three years ago and our previous tele blew up and it was only 16 years old! In those hallowed words of Black Adder or similar I'd rather have my finger nails drawn and inserted somewhere private with barbed wire than watch reality TV or soaps but I've been out voted.

So I give advanced warning. The sun has only just gone down and already I've hit the Aldis cheap cider and barricaded myself into the study and logged on to 'Your Model Railway.' so expect a barrage of images and inane drivel from a beaten man.

Grumpy Old Gramps of Ancaster.

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Tetley wrote: So I give advanced warning. The sun has only just gone down and already I've hit the Aldis cheap cider and barricaded myself into the study and logged on to 'Your Model Railway.' so expect a barrage of images and inane drivel from a beaten man.



:cheers:cheers:cheers

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You Drivel on Dave we dont want to hear a grown man cry because he has been strapped in front of the television and forced to watch soaps:lol::lol:

This is a soap free are

cheers Brian

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Don't worry Dave, F1 qualifying is really running late as the heavens have opened in Brazil.  Will they postpone the start of Strictly Come Dancing?......No chance.

Prepare for uproar from the Kate Humble fans as F1 elbows them out.....

Back to my Templot escapades....plus a glass of Hardy's of course.:cheers

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OK, I have just opened a fresh bottle of tinto and the brandy is standing by to go with my last espresso of the night so fire away Grumpy Old Gramps. :cheers

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the back is strong the shoulders are broad so lean on one and cry on the other.
just don`t blo*dy whinge ok ?

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henryparrot wrote: Dave the photo with the class25 and the mogul is what i call a look twice photo many would look at that and believe it is a real world photo

cheers Brian


Brian,

Thanks for your kind comments.

You describe  what I attempt to aspire to, getting down at track level and taking shots against a plausible background made even better with a bit of digital manipulation, especially a sky or moorland backround. Ive just spent a day at Peterborough exhibition and I've admired several top class layouts, not least of which 'The Gresley Beat' knock my efforts into a cocked hat especially  when I returned home and observed and operated my Tetleys Mills from eye level. Perhaps I'm being hyper critical but I've probably built my layout for photography rather than exhibition and perhaps there is a difference which we all should consider. Digital cameras are rather like camcorders, you don't need a lot of clever lighting to get a half decent result, they both use ambient light to produce a good result. OK, those in the know can do a lot better with their high tech kit but I use the most basic / free with a 'Learn Direct' computer course low pixel camera to check that everything is about right from rail level before 'signing it off.'




This row of retail outlets replaced an earlier version which was not up to standards, I'm not about to replace the station approach ramp though, it has hand scribed cobbles on DAS and the wall is likewise DAS.

 




Those blokes are still scrapping outside the pub which has also replaced an earlier model, I used a name from my youth in Wakefield, mention it to anybody and they know exactly where you refer to, I was too young to enter when I lived in Wakefield but I've since been back on a biker's jolly and it hasn't improved any.

 




Those that have been following this post and that of Gordons19's Eastwood may have noted out mutual repeated reference to using Slaters 7mm plasticard for retaining walls, this shot shows the technique of sloping the wall back to resist ground thrust forces. A balsa or similar string course acts as a plinth for a vertical boundary wall, I have utilised some American Walthers factory kits donated by a friend as scenic flats but leaving a gap of about an inch and incorporating a road or walkway gives a much more convincing scenic break than having the low relief factories against the retaining wall.

 




Mentioned in a previous thread, the use of private owner wagons, in this case a coke wagon from the Wakefield area, replaced planks and very worn livery give credibility and it is authentic coke rather than coal used as the load. The two ajacent laden coal wagons have different grades of coal achieved by the nefarious use of the kitchen flour sieve, it all adds to that visually interesting variety even in a coal train.




The frontal view of the retaining wall and you can see what I mean by stepping back the factory flats which gives depth to the scene. Another reason for including this image is that I used it to advertise 80120 on Ebay. I'm guilty as charged of wasting money of impulse purchases, for years we were starved of decent RTR models and like many of my age I hungrilly bought whatever was on offer and then re-wrote history to justify rolling stock or a loco where it shouldn't be. I love the Standard 4 tank and Bachmann's version is a cracker so I bought it and then re-numbered my purchase to 80120, one of several based at Leeds Neville Hill, only about 15 or 20 miles from Tetleys Mills. However, they were actually all used north of Leeds or on the Whitby- Scarborough area, OK I could have just about blagged it but when the more appropriate Fairburn and Stanier versions were released 80120 had to go to make way. A lesson learnt and I now TRY and resist such impulse purchases.

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The cider is taking affect but I can still hear the tele so I'll finish off the last few images of my current CD and retire to my garden/ railway room and watch the F1 qualifying which I've Sky Plus'ed, marvelous invention, even I can use it which is something I couldn't manage with videos.






 

Ardsley based V2 rounds the curve at Rotten Row cutting before crossing the new viaduct, the road bridge is DAS and is situated so as to hide the severity of the 4' radius curve, I use such bridges to shorten perspective and create more cameo scenes so visitors have to seek new views.

 




 

 Bachmann class 108 DMU enters Barden Road, I've weathered the underframe and re-numbered the set for my West Riding area, a nice model but why do Hornby and Bachmann not install proper gearing to their DMU's? Kids like to see HST's and Bullet Trains rushing through stations at a scale 200 mph before negotiating a 2' radius curve but I want a maximum speed of 60 or 70 for others this and Hornby's Class 101 will not run smoothly at slow speeds. I converted Hornby's Class 110 and fitted a DC Kits Derby Lightweight with Black Beetle motor bogies, OK they will not haul eight bogie coaches but they will run at walking pace in a DMU.

 




Finally for this CD. Bradford Hammerton Road's Ivatt tank 41263 departs Barden Road for an all stations to Bradford Exchange on a sunny summer's day, the fire irons on the tank top are home made from scrap wire and brass.

 

I'll give you some respite from Tetleys Mills while I dig out some more images. I'm off to watch the F1 qualifying.

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Petermac wrote: Are the gold topped street lamps a bought item Dave ?  They look very "West Yorks" !!


The street lamps are from Marsh Models and I painted them, they now supply them ready painted for twice the price.

 

For less 'main street' lighting I prefer 'Mikes Models' who, I believe are were bought out by Holt model railways.

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More quality pictures, thank you :cheers.

I have a Hornby class 101 which runs remarkably well at lower speeds through my Morley controller, though it didn't do so with the previous Gaugemaster offering. I suspect the slightly higher current input from the Morley might help.

Also noted that 80120 has one set of wheels "in the dirt". Don't you just hate it when you set up an image, post it around the webs and then notice something obvious is amiss? I'll get my "Been there done that" shirt out :oops:

A worthy evening spent avoiding the Plague of the Idiot Box :thumbs

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Forget the grumps and tele hijacking, I can even forget NOT SEEING Jenson's disasterous qualifying run.

HE'S THE NEW CHAMPION!!! (Subject of course to the usual manipluation by Eccleston & Co to run it to the wire. What can they disqualify him for?) I nailed up the tele room door from the inside during Sunday afternoon and I watched it all great.

Back to railways.




I've already posted this shot of Rotten Row but bear with me.

A number of members have posed questions on my building methods and I hope to illustrate them in the following images which I've discovered in my archives.




 

This illustrates the basic framework for the housing area and just beyond in the area of the mustard pot is the reverse side of the retaining wall to my cutting which has a series of parallel saw cuts along the back to facilitate bending and this was glued and nail gun pinned to the baseboard. A curved piece of ply matching the curve of the wall was positioned behind after the face of the wall was covered in plasticard stone walling. The framework is not fixed to the baseboard to facilitate removal of the whole hillside.

 




An overhead shot of the cutting retaining wall and the road base installed.

 




Any spare wood /ply was used to make the profiles for the hillside, (I would now buy  new wood for any future layout)

 



This shot actually shows three seperate sections of hill side but they all share the same construction method, chicken wire is stapled on to the formers.




Several layers of newspaper is fixed to the chicken wire with Polycell wallpaper paste.




When dry I prime the papier mache with pva glue and add my 'earth mix' of plaster, sawdust, pva and water, trowel it on to about 3mm or so and allow to dry. Paint in your chosen colour.

 




I wanted an exposed cutting face so I have added more earth mix and added straight plaster to show alternating seams of loose sand and hard sandstone as is typical of the West Riding cuttings. The more stable sandstone remains in situ so is weathered black like the houses but the sand is less stable so isn't weathered so much. I've painted the hillside brown in readyness of adding grass and a load of trees. I've also added a line of coping stones to the retaining wall.




The terraced hillside has flat sub bases installed and Southeastern Finecast plastic card cobbles glued down in readyness for the houses yet to be built.

 




It doesn't get much simpler than this. Forget interior illumination and creeping rose trees up the porch, I need houses and quick!

A cardboard template is made to exactly fit the space available, this shape is transferred to mdf or ply and becomes the base to a box section but which only has right angles where appropriate, the right hand side is far from being a right angle. All cuts are however accurate thanks to a table and chop saw. PVA and a nail gun ensure it all goes together strongly and accurately. This box is solid but others have open faces for windows but do have intermediate bracing floors.




The wooden box has received a veneer of mounting card plus plasticard which has been detailed with all door and window openings backed by thin glazing, the box is painted black behind the openings. I've just started laying the roof covering of black paper cut and distressed to reperesent weathered stone shingles / tiles.




A little bit blurred but the building has now been 'sexed up' with soil and waste water pipes, drain pipes and guttering. Microstrip is used for window frames. A bit posh they appear to have not only an inside loo but an upstairs bathroom too.




First of a series of shots of the same building. All sorts of odd angles and heights, some of the over 300 chimney pots at Tetleys Mills, I couldn't hope to buy that many so I turn them up on a battery drill using swiss files, a piercing saw and plastic sprues from kits. This one has paper Welsh slates on the roof.




The front elevation note how the pavement exactly matches the detailing on the house which is fully and quickly removeable.




 Not the image I expected but another very odd shaped box ready for finishing.




I'd not finished the local chipshop five minutes when a flight of German FOKKERS flying Heinkles dropped their calling cards, even my building methods couldn't with stand Herman Goerings finest.




Not very good lighting but this and the previous image were 'liberated' from Herman Goering's private collection and have sufferd being in the back of a squaddie's kit bag. The local nippers have breached the corrugated iron fencing and have built their gang HQ / den.

 

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Thanks for the scenic tutorial Dave.  As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and to see how your scenery and buildings were put together was very worthwhile and greatly appreciated...:pathead

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thanks for the pics, i like the way you have built things simple but
very effective,

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A great "How to" Dave, many thanks. Quite apart from showing more views of a great layout there is something in there for a lot of us to learn from.

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I think I'll have to get Dave to come to the show, team up with Rick and be our scenery demonstrators. Perhaps we would all learn something then !!!

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Gwent Rail wrote: I think I'll have to get Dave to come to the show, team up with Rick and be our scenery demonstrators. Perhaps we would all learn something then !!!

Sorry guys,

I think I've mentioned, I only do shows from the paying side of the barrier but depending where the show is and when I' might be able to attend and have informal chats.




Metcalf Models stone cobbles used here on my parcels / goods yard area, very thin ply used against the rail to represent the timber baulks that but between the rails and the cobbles. Nice Chivers Finelines kit but I should have painted it crimson not maroon, a bit late now. The goods shed is foam board covered in DAS and scribed a fe w years ago now.

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Thanks for the "how to" Dave - exactly what we lap up on here. :thumbs:thumbs

A question (actually 2 in 1).

You use Das clay very effectively (bet it's a slow job scribing all those stones) - does it stick easily to most substrates or do you have to glue it and do you find it shrinks as it dries ?  I think MikeC had a shrinkage problem with similar material. :roll::roll:

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Petermac I find a nice coat of PVA is very beneficial. DAS is one of my favourite modelling materials.

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It's only about $6.50 here for a block about oh I don't know maybe 6.5 ins long by 4 x1. I don't like the new DAS though. It's more like plastic than clay. You need the old DAS that looks like it's in a foil pack.

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Hi Guys,

 

 Mike C. has answered one of the questions posed and that is, PVA glue is used to prime the surface which, if it is card or most other surfaces it is fine but plastic card or another none absorbent surface becomes less successful. They will still take DAs but with no guarantee that thin layers will not be removed with scribing.

Also note. If using thin materials then prime BOTH SIDES because the glue introduces surface tension which can cause warping.

I have never experienced shrinkage (well not in my DAS but I am 59!)

I think most of the dressed stone/ smoother scribed surfaces have only 1mm or less covering of DAS, OK sometimes a small area may flake away but it is easy to replace and repeat the scribing. If I want a more textured surface ie semi-dressed stone I tend to mark the courses whilst wet and using a small screwdriver, (the cheap types with a clear plastic handle) I mark the perts or vertical joints. Another very useful tool for this and applying DAS into tight corners are dental probes, the sort with flat surfaces. Once it all dries I then fine tune each stone using a sharpened old screwdriver or a fine fettled screwdriver to clean up the joints whilst 'knocking off' some of the over raised detail. TOP TIP  I then brush the work lightly with a suede brush which not only cleans out the joints but takes the shine off the DAS and adds a slight riven finish.

Another point to make is that, do not attempt any of this at home UNLESS YOU HAVE DAS For a while I couldnt buy any and I bought a similar product marketed by Humbrol, it was not at all suitable having small fibres in the clay which may have added strength but prevented fine carving, I bined a whole pack.






A selection of the high tech equipment used at Tetleys Towers.

The plastic tube and wooden dowel are for smoothing out the DAS do not roll it but wet the tube and smear the DAS, you can get a consistant 1mm layer. dental probe as mentioned along with my home made scribes, the knife I use for removing Das from window openings and sperating the DAS from carboard formers when making pavements. The pavements are given a riven ripple effect using the spatular.




My wool warehouse has less than 1mm of DAS on cardboard and scribed as semi dressed stone.

 




The BZ is being shunted beneath the road bridge bisecting Tetleys Mills terminus, the bridge is covered in 7mm plasticard but the arch  stones are DAS individually shaped using my trusty dental probe and fine tuned once dry.




All the stone buildings with the exception of the jam factory visible in this shot towards the Barden Road branch are finished using DAS. Scribing doesn't take that long really though it can induce repetitive 'Train' syndrom.

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My guess is that you have shares in Das :roll:

And after looking at your baseboards, I can see why they are so strong, your layout must be very heavy, but the finished detailing on the buildings is brilliant.

Can I ask, have you had lots of different camera's since you have built Tetley, as the quailty of the photo's varies a lot ?

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Thanks for the very informative "how to" Dave. :thumbs:thumbs

Am I right in thinking you allow the PVA primer (is it diluted and if so, by how much ?) to dry before applying the DAS ?

Do you then allow the DAS to dry before attacking with your scribes for "normal" dressed stone (I see you did say for deeper prifiled stone, you scribe whilst it's still soft).

Sorry to be a pain with all these questions but I am impressed with your results and would like to have a go myself !!  It's the sort of "dirty" architechture I love being an area I know so well and this is the best rendition of it that I ever remember seeing. :cheers

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This viaduct was my very first journey in to the unknown, the use of DAS. The inner walls are pieces of card covered in DAS, it is highly unlikely that this particular structure will be used in the new layout since it is way below par, I did not have the knowledge nor skill back then. The stonework is crude and note the lifted edges of stones formed by marking the wet DAS. These should have been knocked back during fettling and the stones shaped better it would be very destructive to replace this viaduct but compare it with my earlier images of my new viaduct on this post and the picture gallery.


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I've managed to edit the post and slip this one in. This pub and the brewery on the upper right right are better examples of wet DAS scribed and fettled.





Not my intended upload but a shot of yet another pub although it does show the tunnel portal which is plywood covered in DAS and I've made a better job of the scribing on this job.

 


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Dave

Reading your instructions re the Das clay you say you apply it to both sides of the card do you mean for example the buildings you have internally have a rough 1 mm coating of Das on the inside aswell as the scribed and brushed coating on the outside?

 

also do you have a rough working time with the Das for example would you tackle a 12inch square area in 1 go or more or less obviously shape and detail would come into this.

cheers Brian

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henryparrot wrote: Dave

Reading your instructions re the Das clay you say you apply it to both sides of the card do you mean for example the buildings you have internally have a rough 1 mm coating of Das on the inside aswell as the scribed and brushed coating on the outside?

 

cheers Brian


Brian.

 

Sorry for my confusing instructions.

Apply PVA to both sides of card to equalise the surface tension.  You only need to then apply DAS to the surface that will be showing. Unless the atposphere is hot and dry ie Oz or elsewhere with a sunny climate I would be happy to work a reasonablel large area because all you have to do initally is to scribe horizontal bed courses using a clear ruler suspended slightly above the surface to avoid it sticking then work along and add the vertical joints. You can releive boredom by adding larger key stones and alternating the sizes of bed course to correspond with the stone thickness coming out of the quarry. This prototypical.

Once all that is done leave it to dry thoroughly you can place it near a radiator or as I do even near an open fire if it warps a little you'll probably stick it down flat using impact adhesive anyway. You can re-scribe and fettle at your own pace then.

I suggest you start on a small job and work up to tower blocks or Ribblehead Viaduct.

 

Good Luck

 

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Alan wrote: My guess is that you have shares in Das :roll:

And after looking at your baseboards, I can see why they are so strong, your layout must be very heavy, but the finished detailing on the buildings is brilliant.

Can I ask, have you had lots of different camera's since you have built Tetley, as the quailty of the photo's varies a lot ?


Alan,

I've no shares just a very satisfied customer.

The baseboards are normal open frame with 9mm ply where required but the support timbers are up to 3"x 2" and cross supports 3"x 1" it is on the ground floor and the timber was off cuts re-sized from various timbers left after I built the garden room.

I accept the quality of the images varies but they are all taken with the same dog cheapo camera which was a free gift after completing a 'Learn Direct' computing course, (I suspect the Government sponsered it in an attempt to get lazy layabouts like me back into gainful employement and pay more taxes, but I'm in receipt of a decent pension so I remain a lazy layabout)

It only has 2.1 M.Pixels. I don't use flash which burns out the scene so it is iether daylight or my 60w table lamp which I may supplement with my low energy flourescent work lamp and I even tried 300w buildeing lamps which I admit were a tad too OTT.

I have a tripod but no remote activation shutter cable  hence the camera shake. 

Although attending a couple of week long photography courses during my emplyment days as [art of my work I have little interest in the subject. I keep thinking I should spend some money on a decent new camera then I ask myself "why, nobody is interested in your holiday snaps and you no longer need photography for my work?"

If I appear in magazines they always send a professional snapper with at least a 100w table lamp for lighting and a camera with more than 2.1 mp.

I accept my images are c--p but they give a general feel for what I'm doing.

 

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I certainly wouldn't describe those images as "c@@p". They are perfectly good.

Model railways seem to be notoriously difficult to photograph well which is probably a factor of them often being in low light and requiring a slow shutter (slower still when no flash is used) yet also requiring a huge depth of focus. Those two are not quite mutually exclusive but are not easy to obtain with most cameras.

The latest DSLR cameras which can mimic ISO to about 3200 will give great results but you need a new mortgage in order to own one.

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I've discovered a new vantage point for photographs so here's a selection





I've been experimenting with time delay on my camera which gives me a few seconds to position my hand held table lamp. A new Class 37 (or whatever they were called back in the early sixties) recently issued to Hull is on a stopping passenger / parcels train from it's home station to Bradford Exchange.

 




 

A few seconds later and the same train is met by a mixed goods hauled by the West Riding's work horse, a Riddles Austerity. Those allocated to the Western Region of course, had to differ from everywhere else and they were fitted with a fire iron tunnel alongside the boiler. Other regions and certainly the Eastern and North Eastern fitted brackets and a plated in section on the tender side to hold the fire irons. Bachmann do not include this vital component so I have added it, rust quickly formed as the fire irons knocked any paint off and streaks of rust alway ran down the tender sides. Rust also formed in the tender bunker from the acids in the coal and the constant damage caused from the coal that fell thirty or forty feet from coaling hoppers. You cannot over weather an Austerity and they look all the better for it.




Same afternoon, same camera and this image has a blue tinge which, I'm sure the experts can explain but I'm sure it is down to the lighting, I'm not losing sleep over it however.

I had to balance on the viaduct parapet over the canal basin which was not included in my track pass to get this shot of my last building made for the re-built area, it appears the three storey house may have originally been a weaver's residence judging by the gallery of workshop windows to maximise light in what was probably a dark location.

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Can I ask, have you had lots of different camera's since you have built Tetley, as the quailty of the photo's varies a lot ?


Alan,


I accept my images are c--p but they give a general feel for what I'm doing.

 
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Morning Dave ( Bailey) ;-)

In no way was I saying that your photographs were C..P, but after you post above it has all come to light !, and then you went out and tried a few more yesterday with excellent results, you might find this thread of some interest to you.

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=2931&forum_id=24

My guess at the reason of the light being bluer on your last image, is that you didn't use you desklight for fill-in, and the outside light that comes in from your windows or large doors, at this time of the year is a colder blue colour, compared with a yellow light in the middle of summer, just look at the colour of shadows to see the real colour of the light at different times of the year.

If I can be of any help, just ask.

But don't stop adding images or your " how I did it" post, but it might be a good idea if you started a thread just showing how you build and finish your buildings as not all our members will have read this thread :thumbs

Really like the second image with the Class 37, just the right angle/level, spot on :thumbs

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Alan wrote: Tetley wrote:

Can I ask, have you had lots of different camera's since you have built Tetley, as the quailty of the photo's varies a lot ?


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I accept my images are c--p but they give a general feel for what I'm doing.

 
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In no way was I saying that your photographs were C..P, but after you post above it has all come to light !, and then you went out and tried a few more yesterday with excellent results, you might find this thread of some interest to you.

Alan,

Don't worry I said my photographs were c--p or at least some of them, I certainly didn't take any of your comments in a negative way and I certainly didn't read your original reply in that way. You are quite right about starting a new post on the 'How I do my buildings' bit. I'm also greatful for your explanation on lighting, my photography courses involved roll film and were shot outdoors or usually in the dead of night in a force 8 with driving rain surrounded by carnage, whilst I used milti- flash etc I was more interested in getting the job done and getting warm and dry than the finer points of lighting.

If any of the clever people in the forum can transfer those particular posts into a seperate category I'll be quite happy to add to it in the future

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Just caught up on this brilliant layout. So real and those buildings are amazingly life like. I think i am right in you sayoing it was to be dismantled or am i wrong? If i am right why are you going to do this?.

Your pics are really good and i am also impresed on the way you build things, something i wi be trying to do soon.

Thanks for a great thread, more to come i hope and i am right you was in Hornby mag and i have just re read it, brilliant mate, brilliant. :Happy:cheers

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 I'm glad you like it.

I've never been in Hornby Mag but this layout and a previous version have featured in the very first Model Rail and several issues since. There have also been a few DVD's featuring it.  It is soon to feature in BRM with photographs by Tony Wright, thankfully not me.

I am currently locked in mortal combat with my local planning department, we have sufficient land to build eight modern houses (ie no garden and not much else) but the current Mrs. Shakespeare and I want to build a single retirement home in our rear garden which will include a proper sized double garage above which will be a large  7.1 x 5.5 bedroom. This will become my railway room. The current Tetleys Mills is approximately 3m x 7m and it would be impossible to dismantle the basebaords although all the buildings and structures were built removeable so I will build a completetly new layout but it will include most of the current buildings but not necessariliy in their current grouping.

Our planning application is in the appeal process so I will know by Christmas what I'll be doing in 2010.

 

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Sorry Dave i have loads of Rail mags and also others so must of been in one of those i read it, my mistake. I normally just pick them up to re-read and neve look who it is by, :oops:. So must of been the mag you said. I recall you slightly altered a area for some reason and explaine how you did it and why?.

Sounds like you have a huge back garden mate :thud. Deffinetly read it thou.

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I've been without my internet connection for a few days but since I'm back in touch with the world I'll add a few more images I've un-earthed.




The main street at Tetleys Mills showing one of t'mills as a backdrop.




The same mill receiving a delivery of Australian wool which had been stored in the railway wool warehouse.




Those pesky Scammels get everywhere (but they are lovely and very 1950s railway transport)




I detect a dog fight about to happen .

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A highly trained pigeon took this image on his approach run to a roof top landing




 A slightly lower angle, this building was inspired by Bradford Forster Sq. Goods Office although the roof dome has been somewhat simplified.




The entrance to tetleys Mills terminus has been enhanced by a Townstreet portico which Jim Hendry based on that at Louth station Lincolnshire my wife Julie's home town.

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Truly atmospheric stuff. The buildings and seemingly haphazard positioning really capture the feel of the mill towns. Great stuff.

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Dave - in this photo there is a model of a Triumph Roadster - the red sports car.

As I had one in my youth, I thought it might be a good idea to re-live those days on my layout.  If you can remember, who makes it and where did you get it ?  I've probably said it before but I'll say it again - great shot. :thumbs


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I've just upended the Triumph and it says EFE which I'd assume is Exclusive First Editions, I'm sure it didn't cost much unlike some previous kits bought out of desperation for some vehicles on the layout. I've no special affinity so it may have been in a group of vehicles possibly even Cararama but it was a few years ago.

Im sure Oxford Diecasts will be bringing one out shortly but if you cannot source a roadster and you really want one get back to me and we may be able to do a swap.

 

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Thanks Dave - that's kind of you.

I'll see what I can dig up around the suppliers but if not,  and you're really serious, I will come back to you. :thumbs

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By coincidence I was looking at some EFE models on ebay this morning and there are a number of roadsters in red , black , white , green and blue on at the moment .

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http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/product/20522/99643_Exclusive_First_Editions_Classic_Car_Set

At £17 for the entire set they used to be a top seller but Oxford with their very cheap range have taken over!

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Thanks Chris - I assumed they had split the set (on e-bay).  Mine was red and it's the red one that caught my eye on Dave's layout.  When I looked on e-bay, there was almost every colour under the sun except red !!!   I also seem to remember Mike C had a red one on his. :roll::roll:

Maybe it will soon be "swap" time............................

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try this Peter, 2 in a box from 4.99.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/EFE-boxed-set-TRIUMPH-20TR-&-VITESSE-CARS_W0QQitemZ260510953570QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxq20091123?IMSfp=TL091123235002r33780

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Thanks for that Phill but the Roadster - the one I'm after - is blue in that set - I want red. :thumbs

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Petermac wrote: Thanks for that Phill but the Roadster - the one I'm after - is blue in that set - I want red. :thumbs


Petermac.

I now recall the set posted by other members is the source of my red roadster which came with a green Vitesse and a blue Austin Healy Sprout.

Don't forget my offer, if you cannot capture a red roadster you can have mine.

 

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That's the one Bryan. :thumbs:thumbs

Dave - I haven't forgotten your offer.  PM on the way. ;-)

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Have you carried out anymore work on the layout recently, or have the plans for the new house taken up all your time ?

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Alan,

The layout has been quite literally 'on ice' during the recent cold snap, the room is seperately heated by electricty which is very efficient and doesn't cost the earth to run but I need to plan ahead if I'm going in there. To be honest, the layout is now completed, the last project was the demolition site.




This may have been posted already and I've since added a stolen bike discarded once the 'tea leaf' had reached the station.

I am indeed now in house build mode.




 I promised my wife Julie a 'Winter Holiday' away from the drudgery of housework, nobody can accuse me of being un-romantic. That's 105 sq.m of 110mm Kingspan and that's just for the ground floor slab.




Being such a 'sweety' and after she'd shifted the pile of Kingspan I promised Julie I'd treat her to a 'night on the tiles'. We've demolished the fireplace and dumped the spoil into the void beneath the floor (to keep my first wife company), where Julie is standing will be the new outside wall and the space behind her the new access drive. A bit blurred but once in work mode she just won't stand still.

Moving swiftly back to model railways. We were visited in December by Model Rail when Chris Nevard took some shots of the layout now it is finished and before it is dismantled in a couple of years. I am very pleased to report that Chris's images are simply stunning and show views not previously published, the issue of Model Rail in which they will appear in the next few months will be certainly worth buying for the images, the written word can always be ignorred.

 

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Really going to enjoy this thread ;-)

Building a new railway room, but having to build a new house a well, make sure that you keep the information coming Dave !

All the best digging the footings in that weather.

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Just wondering Dave - is the latest Mrs Shakespeare City and Guilds trained ?

Maybe you could post the link to where you first spotted her - I could do with one like that !!!!

Are you going to use much Das clay on the new house ?

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Petermac wrote: Just wondering Dave - is the latest Mrs Shakespeare City and Guilds trained ?

Maybe you could post the link to where you first spotted her - I could do with one like that !!!!

Are you going to use much Das clay on the new house ?


I want to know if he will weather the house as well ?

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She does have some 'Ilex' legal qualifications and thanks for your compliments. I actually spotted her at work and thought she was a battered wife since she always had some bruise or other visible. I now know why. We did a complete re-furb on her bungalow and she's been part of 'Team Shakespeare' ever since, a real grafter and thankfully she scrubbs up well.

I'm hoping I won't need to fill any gaps with DAS but after our recent weather I'll certainly be closing any holes and fixings with expanding foam, I'll let nature do the weathering.

The bad news on the railway room is that we've had to include a full cavity wall so it will be 8" less in length and so will the new railway, with planning as bad as it is these days I dare not extend by a couple of bricks.

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There I was, the other day, down on the Swanage Railway in Dorset when I spotted a table at the station with old magazines on sale for 20p each.  Dropped a pound coin in the box and picked up five random issues of Model Rail from the top of the large pile.  As I wandered off with them I glanced at the covers and was delighted to see that one, from January 2005, had “Yorkshire Phoenix – Tetleys Mills ‘OO’ layout revived” printed on the front! 

I do hope the woodworm is no longer a problem!

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I think you will find Tetley Mills will not be worrying about woodworm to much as in the near future a full size JCB will be rearranging it as Dave is at the moment builing his new home in his garden where the new Tetley mills 2 will be built.

Im sure he will try and reuse a lot of the existing stuff where he can but im sure he is still well away from even looking at starting the new layout

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Gentlemen,

 

Strangley enough my wife did find evidence of new wood worm activity but this time in the reclaimed timber of the supporting frame.

All the baseboards including legs, cross frames , the whole lot will be used to keep us warm in the cold nights ahead since I'm adding another wood burning stove, we had one twenty years before they became the new 'must have domestic bling'.

We've demolished and refurbed part of the existing house to give access and the new site is ready for the footings in a couple of weeks, unfortunately Tetleys Mills is covered in builder's dust which will take a while to clean off.

The image above hasn't got the new railway room visible but imagine a decent sized double garage which can actually house real cars and that's it.

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Will we see you both on "Grand Designs," Dave?  :mutley

If you think I'm going to buy a big smelly dog, adopt two snotty nosed screaming 4 and 5 year olds, give up my means of income, move into some grotty caravan while we build

AND THEN

just as all the money runs out and the bailiffs are knocking on the door, we've changed the design for the fourth time and three sets of builders have walked off site.

And, Hey GREAT NEWS! has he won the lottery, his long lost wealthy aunt has left him a fortune.  Oh nothing so hum drum.

 

MY WIFE'S PREGNANT !!!!!!

Grand Designs we will not be appearing on thanks.

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Congratulations to you both....:doublethumb

I guess that will put a stop to Julie's hod carrying antics....


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I expect it was a perk of the job.

Congratulations!

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So that's a NO, then, Dave?  :mutley

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Congratulations on your news Dave.

Now you are left with a dillema Do you build the nursery first or the railway room.

Hmm i think the powers that be will be insisting on the nursery:lol:

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OH boy,here we go,layettes instead of layouts,changing nappies instead of points, plus this model
has it`s own water spout,exhaust system and a very good built in sound system,!!!!

congratulations you must be over the moon.

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Well done that man,(and woman!!!).Lets hope its a boy and he's into railways!!!
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I thought you were joking!  Well done, that man - and woman!  Congratulations.  :doublethumb

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Knowing Dave, I think he WAS joking....:mutley:mutley

His comment "My wife is pregnant" is probably referring to the usual tales in Grand Designs, not the addition of lots of little Tetleys.

.....but on the other hand....:thumbs

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Well done that man,(and woman!!!).Lets hope its a boy and he's into railways!!!
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Cheers,John.B.:thumbs



Nah!  Let's hope it's a girl who will be interested in railways AND can cook and sew on buttons, how useful that would be......

[Ducks behind wall and scurries off...]

Felicitations to you both,

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Gentlemen.

 

Please give me more credit! When the current Mrs Shakespeare and I got married in our early forties colleagues assumed we would start a new family.

WHAT with four adult kids already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mrs S is certainly NOT pregnant. I'd rather have an enema with a length of rusty barbed wire.

Gordon S read my original comments correctly. When no other disaster can befall the Grand Designs builders A pregnant wife seems mandatory. I'm having no passengers on light duties on this building project.

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To  Grumpy Old G-t of Ancaster.


I am glad that has been sorted out, can't have distractions while rebuilding :exclam

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Tetley wrote: Gentlemen.



Mrs S is certainly NOT pregnant. I'd rather have an enema with a length of rusty barbed wire

 

 
ooh brings tears to the eyes..
bet you had a good laugh all the same ?

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Tetley wrote: Gentlemen.

 

Please give me more credit! When the current Mrs Shakespeare and I got married in our early forties colleagues assumed we would start a new family.

WHAT with four adult kids already!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mrs S is certainly NOT pregnant. I'd rather have an enema with a length of rusty barbed wire.

Gordon S read my original comments correctly. When no other disaster can befall the Grand Designs builders A pregnant wife seems mandatory. I'm having no passengers on light duties on this building project.

Grumpy Old G-t of Ancaster.

 

 


 

So that will be a no then......:mutley

No problem though, Mothercare have said they will take the pram back...

 

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I'd heard of this layout in New York!
Very inspiring, very evocative and Dave I share your modeling philosophy.

I cannot get enough of the station approach, it's beautiful in a industrial way (my Wife thinks I'm weird 'cos I like hanging out in places like Bayonne, New Jersey, an old industrial/dock town parts of which are, er, questionable).

Thank you for sharing on here.

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Is everything OK?

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He's currently building a house DD and, as far as I'm aware,  Tetley Mills is partially dismantled awaiting re-installation in the new house.

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Yes, I saw that but we've had updates until recently.
Building a house is a reasonable excuse I suppose.

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Last mail I had from Dave said he was taking a well earned rest for a week or so whilst they wait for RSJ's and roof trusses.  Tetley's is still operational, but the new layout cannot really be started until the house and railway room are finished.  No doubt Dave will be along soon to give a full update...

Either that, or he's laid up with a bad back.

Should know better than building a new house at his age...;-)

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The new "Guest" status had me concerned.

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ddolfelin wrote: Thanks, Gordon.

The new "Guest" status had me concerned.


The reason for Guest status is Peter , is that Dave last posted in May & has been deleted from the membership as have a few others

Please see this http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=7242&forum_id=13

Dave can rejoin if he wants to but be aware of this thread.

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Thanks, Sol.
I was aware of that but his circumstances were known.
However, it's not my business, I'm just a humble jumble of a poster.

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Oh, well, I'm just another humble scribe too....

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 Pete most of the existing rules have existed since early 2008 but we have as a mod team been a bit lapse with them sometimes. If any member knows that they will not be able to post for a period of time they must actually let Bob know that so he can change their status to absent.

Unfortunately we are all subject to the same rules so really everyone is treated equally whoever they are but anyone who gets deleted can always contact Bob who will re register them even if the door is shut so its not like they have been banned or anything.

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Now, now, don't be like that 3801 :mutley

Room for all here, that's how we learn. :thumbs

The lads and lasses have been well educated from all the mistakes I've made in the name of railway modelling

C'mon mate, post up, I've shown you mine :shock: :cheers :lol::lol::lol:

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Hello Tetley,
This is my 1st viewing of this Lay-out. Excellent modelling with Interest and Atmosphere in abundance. Love the Viaduct and the close proximity of the houses, a fine example of contrasting rail-modelling, infra-structure and buildings - moremoremore,
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Hi Michael

Dave (Tetley) is in the middle of building a new house, so has been absent for a while.  Included in the new house will be a railway room where a whole new Tetley Mills layout will be built.  I hope we will see Dave back on line in a few months, but right now every minute of his day is taken up building his new place.

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gordons19 wrote: Hi Michael

Dave (Tetley) is in the middle of building a new house, so has been absent for a while.  Included in the new house will be a railway room where a whole new Tetley Mills layout will be built.  I hope we will see Dave back on line in a few months, but right now every minute of his day is taken up building his new place.


As Gordon says Dave is not online due to his housbuild when he is back online his membership can be redone if he justs contacts Bob or Jeff

Obviously under the 3 month rule his membership was deleted for now a rule what applies to any member unless a request is made to admin outlining reasons for absence.

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Hello Ginny(Gordons) :lol: and Brian,
Many Thanks guys for the advice re: Tetley's absence. Hope he's back soon,
Kind Regards,
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The last mail I had from Dave showed his house is just a few months from completion.  Tetleys Mills as you see it here will be broken up and replaced by an even bigger and better layout in a purpose built room above the garage.  I'm sure Dave won't mind, so here's a trio of pics of his progress to date.

Railway room.







Rear of house






 

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My word but that's a fine looking house.I'd be very proud of myself if I had built that. Do0n't forget to give him our regards when next you are in contact.

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Yes, it is - I'm right in thinking Dave contributed labour to the work too?

Look forward to hearing more of his plans for the new layout - always one of my favourite modellers. Besides when he writes I understand what he is getting at! Like Gordon, too.

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Dave's new house is very much a labour of love and he (and his wife) laboured hard to produce their new home.  He has called in skilled guys as and when necessary, but by far most of the work has been done themselves.  What amazes me is the level of fitness he has shown to do this build at all.  At a time when a fair few of us struggle to get to the pub after a weeding a window box (myself included), he's put in hours of hard graft every day and at last we're starting to see the finished product. 

No doubt Tetley's 3 will emerge just as quickly, so I'd better get my skates on....;-)

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One day I hope to pay a visit to both..............

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As a new member, I have just come across this thread. I remember it was in a model magazine a couple of months ago too. I love that grimy atmosphere and wish I could reproduce something like it on my forthcoming layout! It certainly is inspirational and aspirational !

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The Tetleys Mill layout you see in this thread is sadly no more. The layout as such has been completely scrapped and following the completion of Dave's house construction, a whole new layout will emerge. I have seen pics of the baseboards which are well underway, so I wouldn't be surprised to see track work taking shape in the next few months.

A sad end to such an iconic layout but I have no doubt the new one will be even better....

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I'm not sure what I'm doing here yet, but my absence from YMR has been explained by Gordon, the room above the garages is my new railway room and after checking out whether it makes sense on the post I'll add a couple of other comments of explanation,

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Tremendous place for a layout room, so envious and so looking forward to the story about the new layout.
Welcome back.

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It is great that you are back! I am looking forward to your posts.

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Hi Dave,
Good to see you.
That house is worth modelling!

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Great to hear from you Dave. :thumbs:thumbs

I think the house is also "all your own work" ..................:roll:

I'll leave you to explain all you want to, rather than ask questions, concerning the way forward. :cheers

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Looking forward to seeing a new layout develop by a master modeller.

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Dave,

Great to see that your back.  Just loved your old layout.  I heard about things on RM web and I am glad that you have started modeling again.  Looking forward to some pictures of what you have been up.

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Good to see you back here Dave and that is one cracking looking house. I have always been a great admirer of Tetley Mills and I'm really looking forward to seeing the new layout develop.

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Welcome back Dave.  Is that house built from card or styrene sheet? :mutley

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Welcome back from me too, we have missed your updates. Looking forward to new developments.

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Steam OO, scratchbuilt?!

Deep respect.......I'd love to know how it all goes together, wouldn't you?

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Great to revisit this thread.
Lord knows now that Dave is back in action how he can improve on the past masterpiece.
regards,
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shunter1 wrote: Great to revisit this thread.
Lord knows now that Dave is back in action how he can improve on the past masterpiece.
regards,
Derek.

 

Even a true master can find room for improvement and I reckon that Dave's latest creation will be a very hard act to follow and if you're reading this Dave, I wish all the very best of luck to both you and Mrs Dave!

Cheers.

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It's been about five years since you first posted this shot at Tetley Mills Dave and I only post it here to give some idea to members who may not be familiar with your work of the kind of thing we can look forward to. Here is a link to that layout for those who may have missed it.

  http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=4867&forum_id=21&highlight=Tetley+Mills




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Thanks Bob for posting the photo and the link to Dave's layout etc. By the way good to see you back on here too Bob! 

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Every once in a while pictures of this layout pop up at the bottom of my screen and I usually take a quick look for some inspiration. This was a layout that featured in videos and across the modelling press. Of course Dave is no longer with us, the layout was long ago sold off, but the layout lives on through the pages of this forum.

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Though I spoke over the phone on occasion to Dave Shakespeare but never actually met him, he came across not only as a brilliant model maker but also as a true gentleman.

Both as a man and for his work he will be sorely missed .


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True gent - absolutely.  We met very briefly once and on one other occasion he purchased a surplus item from me requiring a brief exchange of correspondence.

Top notch model-maker - well Tetley's Mills stands testimony and remains one of the most skilfully crafted and presented layouts ever.

When I am occasionally asked which layouts across the vastness of this worldwide hobby have inspired and perhaps taught me I always include this one.

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