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 Posted: Sat Oct 17th, 2009 05:57 pm
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You Drivel on Dave we dont want to hear a grown man cry because he has been strapped in front of the television and forced to watch soaps:lol::lol:

This is a soap free are

cheers Brian

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Don't worry Dave, F1 qualifying is really running late as the heavens have opened in Brazil.  Will they postpone the start of Strictly Come Dancing?......No chance.

Prepare for uproar from the Kate Humble fans as F1 elbows them out.....

Back to my Templot escapades....plus a glass of Hardy's of course.:cheers

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OK, I have just opened a fresh bottle of tinto and the brandy is standing by to go with my last espresso of the night so fire away Grumpy Old Gramps. :cheers



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sympathy,sympathy,...
the back is strong the shoulders are broad so lean on one and cry on the other.
just don`t blo*dy whinge ok ?

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henryparrot wrote: Dave the photo with the class25 and the mogul is what i call a look twice photo many would look at that and believe it is a real world photo

cheers Brian


Brian,

Thanks for your kind comments.

You describe  what I attempt to aspire to, getting down at track level and taking shots against a plausible background made even better with a bit of digital manipulation, especially a sky or moorland backround. Ive just spent a day at Peterborough exhibition and I've admired several top class layouts, not least of which 'The Gresley Beat' knock my efforts into a cocked hat especially  when I returned home and observed and operated my Tetleys Mills from eye level. Perhaps I'm being hyper critical but I've probably built my layout for photography rather than exhibition and perhaps there is a difference which we all should consider. Digital cameras are rather like camcorders, you don't need a lot of clever lighting to get a half decent result, they both use ambient light to produce a good result. OK, those in the know can do a lot better with their high tech kit but I use the most basic / free with a 'Learn Direct' computer course low pixel camera to check that everything is about right from rail level before 'signing it off.'




This row of retail outlets replaced an earlier version which was not up to standards, I'm not about to replace the station approach ramp though, it has hand scribed cobbles on DAS and the wall is likewise DAS.

 




Those blokes are still scrapping outside the pub which has also replaced an earlier model, I used a name from my youth in Wakefield, mention it to anybody and they know exactly where you refer to, I was too young to enter when I lived in Wakefield but I've since been back on a biker's jolly and it hasn't improved any.

 




Those that have been following this post and that of Gordons19's Eastwood may have noted out mutual repeated reference to using Slaters 7mm plasticard for retaining walls, this shot shows the technique of sloping the wall back to resist ground thrust forces. A balsa or similar string course acts as a plinth for a vertical boundary wall, I have utilised some American Walthers factory kits donated by a friend as scenic flats but leaving a gap of about an inch and incorporating a road or walkway gives a much more convincing scenic break than having the low relief factories against the retaining wall.

 




Mentioned in a previous thread, the use of private owner wagons, in this case a coke wagon from the Wakefield area, replaced planks and very worn livery give credibility and it is authentic coke rather than coal used as the load. The two ajacent laden coal wagons have different grades of coal achieved by the nefarious use of the kitchen flour sieve, it all adds to that visually interesting variety even in a coal train.




The frontal view of the retaining wall and you can see what I mean by stepping back the factory flats which gives depth to the scene. Another reason for including this image is that I used it to advertise 80120 on Ebay. I'm guilty as charged of wasting money of impulse purchases, for years we were starved of decent RTR models and like many of my age I hungrilly bought whatever was on offer and then re-wrote history to justify rolling stock or a loco where it shouldn't be. I love the Standard 4 tank and Bachmann's version is a cracker so I bought it and then re-numbered my purchase to 80120, one of several based at Leeds Neville Hill, only about 15 or 20 miles from Tetleys Mills. However, they were actually all used north of Leeds or on the Whitby- Scarborough area, OK I could have just about blagged it but when the more appropriate Fairburn and Stanier versions were released 80120 had to go to make way. A lesson learnt and I now TRY and resist such impulse purchases.

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Are the gold topped street lamps a bought item Dave ?  They look very "West Yorks" !!



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The cider is taking affect but I can still hear the tele so I'll finish off the last few images of my current CD and retire to my garden/ railway room and watch the F1 qualifying which I've Sky Plus'ed, marvelous invention, even I can use it which is something I couldn't manage with videos.






 

Ardsley based V2 rounds the curve at Rotten Row cutting before crossing the new viaduct, the road bridge is DAS and is situated so as to hide the severity of the 4' radius curve, I use such bridges to shorten perspective and create more cameo scenes so visitors have to seek new views.

 




 

 Bachmann class 108 DMU enters Barden Road, I've weathered the underframe and re-numbered the set for my West Riding area, a nice model but why do Hornby and Bachmann not install proper gearing to their DMU's? Kids like to see HST's and Bullet Trains rushing through stations at a scale 200 mph before negotiating a 2' radius curve but I want a maximum speed of 60 or 70 for others this and Hornby's Class 101 will not run smoothly at slow speeds. I converted Hornby's Class 110 and fitted a DC Kits Derby Lightweight with Black Beetle motor bogies, OK they will not haul eight bogie coaches but they will run at walking pace in a DMU.

 




Finally for this CD. Bradford Hammerton Road's Ivatt tank 41263 departs Barden Road for an all stations to Bradford Exchange on a sunny summer's day, the fire irons on the tank top are home made from scrap wire and brass.

 

I'll give you some respite from Tetleys Mills while I dig out some more images. I'm off to watch the F1 qualifying.

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Petermac wrote: Are the gold topped street lamps a bought item Dave ?  They look very "West Yorks" !!


The street lamps are from Marsh Models and I painted them, they now supply them ready painted for twice the price.

 

For less 'main street' lighting I prefer 'Mikes Models' who, I believe are were bought out by Holt model railways.

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More quality pictures, thank you :cheers.

I have a Hornby class 101 which runs remarkably well at lower speeds through my Morley controller, though it didn't do so with the previous Gaugemaster offering. I suspect the slightly higher current input from the Morley might help.

Also noted that 80120 has one set of wheels "in the dirt". Don't you just hate it when you set up an image, post it around the webs and then notice something obvious is amiss? I'll get my "Been there done that" shirt out :oops:

A worthy evening spent avoiding the Plague of the Idiot Box :thumbs

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I hope you Sky+'d it after they switched channels!  I was watching live thankfully or would have missed most of it.

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 That shot along the platforms in post 66 has the feel of a cold winters morning :thumbs



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Forget the grumps and tele hijacking, I can even forget NOT SEEING Jenson's disasterous qualifying run.

HE'S THE NEW CHAMPION!!! (Subject of course to the usual manipluation by Eccleston & Co to run it to the wire. What can they disqualify him for?) I nailed up the tele room door from the inside during Sunday afternoon and I watched it all great.

Back to railways.




I've already posted this shot of Rotten Row but bear with me.

A number of members have posed questions on my building methods and I hope to illustrate them in the following images which I've discovered in my archives.




 

This illustrates the basic framework for the housing area and just beyond in the area of the mustard pot is the reverse side of the retaining wall to my cutting which has a series of parallel saw cuts along the back to facilitate bending and this was glued and nail gun pinned to the baseboard. A curved piece of ply matching the curve of the wall was positioned behind after the face of the wall was covered in plasticard stone walling. The framework is not fixed to the baseboard to facilitate removal of the whole hillside.

 




An overhead shot of the cutting retaining wall and the road base installed.

 




Any spare wood /ply was used to make the profiles for the hillside, (I would now buy  new wood for any future layout)

 



This shot actually shows three seperate sections of hill side but they all share the same construction method, chicken wire is stapled on to the formers.




Several layers of newspaper is fixed to the chicken wire with Polycell wallpaper paste.




When dry I prime the papier mache with pva glue and add my 'earth mix' of plaster, sawdust, pva and water, trowel it on to about 3mm or so and allow to dry. Paint in your chosen colour.

 




I wanted an exposed cutting face so I have added more earth mix and added straight plaster to show alternating seams of loose sand and hard sandstone as is typical of the West Riding cuttings. The more stable sandstone remains in situ so is weathered black like the houses but the sand is less stable so isn't weathered so much. I've painted the hillside brown in readyness of adding grass and a load of trees. I've also added a line of coping stones to the retaining wall.




The terraced hillside has flat sub bases installed and Southeastern Finecast plastic card cobbles glued down in readyness for the houses yet to be built.

 




It doesn't get much simpler than this. Forget interior illumination and creeping rose trees up the porch, I need houses and quick!

A cardboard template is made to exactly fit the space available, this shape is transferred to mdf or ply and becomes the base to a box section but which only has right angles where appropriate, the right hand side is far from being a right angle. All cuts are however accurate thanks to a table and chop saw. PVA and a nail gun ensure it all goes together strongly and accurately. This box is solid but others have open faces for windows but do have intermediate bracing floors.




The wooden box has received a veneer of mounting card plus plasticard which has been detailed with all door and window openings backed by thin glazing, the box is painted black behind the openings. I've just started laying the roof covering of black paper cut and distressed to reperesent weathered stone shingles / tiles.




A little bit blurred but the building has now been 'sexed up' with soil and waste water pipes, drain pipes and guttering. Microstrip is used for window frames. A bit posh they appear to have not only an inside loo but an upstairs bathroom too.




First of a series of shots of the same building. All sorts of odd angles and heights, some of the over 300 chimney pots at Tetleys Mills, I couldn't hope to buy that many so I turn them up on a battery drill using swiss files, a piercing saw and plastic sprues from kits. This one has paper Welsh slates on the roof.




The front elevation note how the pavement exactly matches the detailing on the house which is fully and quickly removeable.




 Not the image I expected but another very odd shaped box ready for finishing.




I'd not finished the local chipshop five minutes when a flight of German FOKKERS flying Heinkles dropped their calling cards, even my building methods couldn't with stand Herman Goerings finest.




Not very good lighting but this and the previous image were 'liberated' from Herman Goering's private collection and have sufferd being in the back of a squaddie's kit bag. The local nippers have breached the corrugated iron fencing and have built their gang HQ / den.

 

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Thanks for the scenic tutorial Dave.  As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words and to see how your scenery and buildings were put together was very worthwhile and greatly appreciated...:pathead

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thanks for the pics, i like the way you have built things simple but
very effective,

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A great "How to" Dave, many thanks. Quite apart from showing more views of a great layout there is something in there for a lot of us to learn from.

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I think I'll have to get Dave to come to the show, team up with Rick and be our scenery demonstrators. Perhaps we would all learn something then !!!

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Gwent Rail wrote: I think I'll have to get Dave to come to the show, team up with Rick and be our scenery demonstrators. Perhaps we would all learn something then !!!

Sorry guys,

I think I've mentioned, I only do shows from the paying side of the barrier but depending where the show is and when I' might be able to attend and have informal chats.




Metcalf Models stone cobbles used here on my parcels / goods yard area, very thin ply used against the rail to represent the timber baulks that but between the rails and the cobbles. Nice Chivers Finelines kit but I should have painted it crimson not maroon, a bit late now. The goods shed is foam board covered in DAS and scribed a fe w years ago now.

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Thanks for the "how to" Dave - exactly what we lap up on here. :thumbs:thumbs

A question (actually 2 in 1).

You use Das clay very effectively (bet it's a slow job scribing all those stones) - does it stick easily to most substrates or do you have to glue it and do you find it shrinks as it dries ?  I think MikeC had a shrinkage problem with similar material. :roll::roll:



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Petermac I find a nice coat of PVA is very beneficial. DAS is one of my favourite modelling materials.

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