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 Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 05:38 pm
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Alan wrote:
Outstanding modelling, like you mentioned the photo's showing all the different areas will blow our minds away, a special shot down each street and from every angle, can you tell me, did you plan the layout or build as you went, because all the buildings just seem to fit into all the spaces just right.

I guess that you have used a lot of printed brick paper ?



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 Sorry, I missed answering one of your questions. Although I planned the railway side of things the scenery and especially the building siting sort of just evolved. I use open frame baseboards so I can build 'into' the ground, too many promising layouts are spoiled by modellers having only a passing interest in the none railway elements and they end up just plonking a ready made building into any free space. Like most of our breed I've got plenty of railway photo books which I never tire of browsing, I'll spot a picture which I then use to inspire a new model scene. I can also just look at a space and I know exactly what is required to fill it and I instinctively know what it will look like when finished. 

Everybody thought I was crackers to destroy the Tetleys Mills iconic cast iron arch and viaduct but I just knew how I could improve it and how it would look. I don't want to sound conceited but I'm always right in respect of improving my own model railway.

I'm presently posting images from one early recorded disc, check out later postings of improved areas and hopefully you can see exactly what I mean, it might only be a new building or a replaced building but a little extra work always pays dividends.




Check out the above building which replaces the one present in the recently posted image showing the two WD's passing under the foot bridge, I consider it a marked improvement.

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Dave some great images and thanks for the explanations.

The one thing that is coming through to me as you post these images is Grime

That to me is one thing you have done that many of us dont do and  think that has made a great deal of differance to giving your layout a more real natural look.

cheers Brian

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 Posted: Wed Oct 14th, 2009 08:00 pm
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This is a amazing bit of modeling. The attetion to detail is amazing. I look at a pic and i am still there 5 mins later brilliant. I love the way you blend the buildings into the layout.

I recall the article in the hormby mag and to this day i often re- read it, just fascinating.

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Petermac wrote: Dave, I'm interested in your experiences with Linka.  I have the moulds and have played around with them a bit but not with too much success.  The castings seem fairly brittle and, whilst I can snap them along the stone course lines, trying the other way, or cutting around where I want windows etc,  usually results in disaster.  Is there a trick I'm missing ?


Peter,

I used my Linka a lot about 17 years ago and we lived near the UK distributor who had made some really stunning models however, it is not without it's problems and you've discovered some of them. The actual rubber moulds can vary in their flexibility depending, I think, on the amount of silicone or whatever used, some items are easy to remove but others are more difficult. I used to batch cast and had boxes of parts but this means you end up with all your buildings sharing common windows, doors etc. The casting plaster is very easy to scribe extra detail into but this softness does make them prone to breaking, using harder plaster similar to that used by Jim Hendry in his brilliant Townstreet range gives a much stronger casting but as I discovered when I used it on my viaduct project it is very, very difficult to scribe.

I used a piercing saw to cut some of my castings but the failure rate means you do need some spares. I actually disposed of all my Linka stuff a good few years ago. It did encourage my current 'bomb proof' building methods though. Model Rail were arriving to do a video shoot, I picked up a row of terrace houses to clean them and they disintegrated!




I'd almost forgotten about this lot which were  lurking up some back alley, I made them about 13 years ago and are not to my current standards but do employ Linka parts which if memory serves me right I probably mounted onto a firm backing board which I then attached to plywood sides, base and back. They represent a low relief terrace so are more robust, I disguised the usual panel joints by re-scribing the plaster which I recall was actually cast in brickwork, as you can see it is now stonework, I had a lot more patience 'when I were a lad' and had less available money for modelling. The roof is just paper stone tiles, not Linka.

 




A similar story but this one does use Linka roof panels, to be honest I wouldn't have this in a prominent position but it fills a gap. Try Pollyfilla or a similar SMOOTH decorating filler which is easy to carve but does take longer to set than casting plaster.




I kocked this up from my bits box about 12 years ago, this time the doors and windows are castings supplied by Jim Hendry of Townstreet as a gift amongst other items purchased, the roof isn't really accurate but I had bought the Wills tiles by mistake and they are too expensive for a Yorkshireman to throw away. Again it isn't in a prominent position.

It also illustrates how I can remove  my buildings for cleaning or repair. As you exiles can note, we are now in the grip of Autumn

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I've just returned from my other fetish.  Road cycles, a local serious cycle store, lots of eye candy and my wallet was all of a twitch but I resisted. To get it out of my system I'll try and get back to railway modelling by posting a few more images.

 





One of Wakefield shed's scores of WD's is returning light engine to Healey Mills yard in the Calder Valley after bringing in a pick up goods. This is one of my favourite poses The wool warehouse is built over two levels with a wagon hoist linking the yard level with a basement accessed only by road through a viaduct arch. Built from foam board and covered with DAS which I scribed. Somebody commented on the grime on all my buildings, in reality during this period all railway buildings in this are were virtually jet black but I chose to leave some stone visible I dust all my buildings with a mix of black powder paint and talcum powder which tones everything down matt black is too stark.


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Doncaster based 9F is hauling steel from Scunthorpe to Bradford and passing through a cutting just prior to the viaduct. The 7mm slaters plasticard covered wall is the dividing point and support for the embankment and hillside above since I can remove the whole lot to access a tunnel beneath, can you see the joint? Hopefully not this might just find it's way onto my new layout to save a few days construction work.

 




The things I do for you boys! I risked life and limb not to mention getting in the s---t with the railway coppers for trespassing in the tunnel to grab this shot of Normanton based Stanier 8F hauling coal from Crofton yards to Bradford. Another good example of the use of 7mm plasticard.

 




A very early shot of the canal scene, I've since raised the water level quite a bit but at the expense of losing the lovely deep sheen of the resin, I used varnish for the new water which is not nearly so effective.

 




 

A D.C. Kits Derby Lightweight leaving Barden Road en-route for Tetleys Mills and then Bradford Exchange. The bridge is ply covered with DAS and the grass is car insulation.

 




Barden Road coal yard, note the ex-private owner wagon above the men working beneath, "what private owner wagon?" I hear you ask. I bought a couple of triple wagon packs of really pretty private owner wagons from Hattons at a giveaway price and believe me, you do not want 'pretty' prestine pre-war private owner wagons on a British Raiways layout it looks NAFF! They were taken into common user use during the war and never returned to their original owners post war. I virtually rubbed off the original livery just leaving enough to be interesting, replaced several damaged planks with unpainted wood, not brown but buff or aged grey, then add British Railways ex PO number panels from Modelmaster. They do add interest to a train. The signal box has since been replaced.

 




 

Part of my loco servicing and holding sidings, the J50 is shunting a wagon on to the wagon hoist to descend into the bowels of the warehouse at the lower level. (No it doesn't work)

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Aother great load of pics and again the detail is amazing. I love the canal scene best.

Phill

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The first piccy in your last post of the goods and wool depot with the WD in front and the Dmu further back.

Now that to me is an exceptional photo that has been taken there  Whoever took it requires a star that shows off extremely well what a very good modelling job you have done and im sure many would love to equal that quality on their layouts.

cheers Brian

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Wow try picking a favourite out of that lot! Superb.

Mike

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 Wow try picking a favourite out of that lot! Superb.


 

 Errm..................All of them. :doublethumb



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henryparrot wrote: Dave

The first piccy in your last post of the goods and wool depot with the WD in front and the Dmu further back.

Now that to me is an exceptional photo that has been taken there  Whoever took it requires a star that shows off extremely well what a very good modelling job you have done and im sure many would love to equal that quality on their layouts.

cheers Brian


 

Brian

 

Please don't accuse me of taking good photographs!

I can spot the pose and the potential as I did here, what I then do is print off a number of thumbprints and when none railway modelling professional snappers visit to illustrate a magazine article I ask them to photograph the pose properly.

I did warn everybody that there might be overkill on Tetleys Mills but it is so densely populated with buildings, streets and alley ways plus the odd river and canal there are scores and scores of potential images, I'm still finding new ones after all these years.

Dave

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henryparrot wrote:
Dave

The first piccy in your last post of the goods and wool depot with the WD in front and the Dmu further back.

Now that to me is an exceptional photo that has been taken there  Whoever took it requires a star that shows off extremely well what a very good modelling job you have done and im sure many would love to equal that quality on their layouts.

cheers Brian


Totally agree, I think this is the best of all the images shown so far.

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There's no such thing as over-kill with a layout of this quality Dave. :thumbs



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You might like a couple of these images as well.

 




 

Ardsley based J50 shunts the yard at Barden Road after bringing in the morning pick up goods.  There are quite a few factories at the small branch station including a large meat factory. The track on this siding is SMP which is less robust than Peco but oh so much better looking.  The van has had a panel repaired and the bauxite paint doesn't match the weathered out original, a little detail that adds variation to a train.

 




 

 

Still shunting at Barden Road the J50 is drawing fruit vans away from Pledges jam and pickle factory. I buy cheaper rolling stock at exhibitions and then invent an industry to justify them, in this case the fruit vans, I did the same with shock vans a molasses tanker and even some china clay wagons.

 




In my opinion nothing disappoints me more at exhibitions than a well made layout with spotless motive power and trains of identical rolling stock straight out of the box. However this disreputable B1 might be taking things a bit too far, although in authentic condition for the period she is visiting from Gateshead shed who didn't waste valuable time cleaning their A4s so this poor mixed traffic loco stands no chance.

 




 

Normanton based flying pig 43043 is beautiful in her ugliness as she brings a parcels train into Tetleys Mills. The bridge arch is Slaters 7mm cotswold plastic sheet with DAS clay used to form the arch stones whilst the base is larger dressed stone in random sizes. I use this bridge span to break up the view along the station to give an illusion of distance, this stone bridge gives way to a series of plate girder spans which was quite common, presumeably a mason's work rate was less than the cost of steel plate girders which were only used when necessary. It also add more interest, it is fully removeable because there are two surface mounted point motors beneath the approach masonry operating a double slip beneath the arch. Another feature not visible but which really improves the look of the whole bridge are the support masonry columns, I formed irregular shapes to give maximum bearing, thereby reducing the individual spans and cost to the railway company. With the columns made and covered in plasticard I positioned the bridge roadway made from a single length of 9mm ply and wide enough for two lanes and two pavements, with everything in place I positioned the support columns exactly so as  to give full clearance to rail traffic after which they were secured with pva and screws. Although 3 feet long this bridge is very rigid and as mentioned easy to remove. The plate girders are 40 thou plasticard with plasticard ribs but I've also included rivet detail from a sheet of, I think Slaters rivet detail, painted grey and then when dry a very thin wash of black which settles on the rivet detail and in nooks and crannies, When everything has dried a dusting with rusty weathering powders. To watch a train slowly emerge from beneath is far nicer than just watching the same train travel in constant view.

 

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The same bridge but showing the yard trackwork, a class 25 awaits the right of way to return to Healey Mills yard whilst a class 4 standard mogul enters the loco servicing area. This loco has since been sold since she wasn't really in her correct operational area; an Airfix body a forty year old Bristol Models heavy brass chassis, Romford wheels, Southeastern Finecast valve gear and all propelled through a Hornby / Triang three pole XO4 motor and indeterminable gearing. A recipe for disaster but because I fitted pick ups to all loco and tender wheels she ran as smooth as silk across every bit of track at really slow speeds though, I have to admit she sounded like a bag of spanners.

 




 

Another one of those 'instant magic' moments when I spotted this scene. A laden Foden artic pulls out of a warehouse / mill yard, I just wish it was easier to bend the axles into a more authentic turning angle.

I'm at The Peterborough Show Ground for an exhibition in the morning so I may be inspired to do a bit more modelling, I only attend as a paying punter. My layout is not portable and I couldn't be enthusiastic for dealing with some of the p----s who stand opposite a magnificent work of art and criticise some inane and worthless point. They do exist believe me, and they are usually the ones who don't wash.


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That last shot of the Foden could be around the canal areas - where the University Halls now are - in Huddersfield Dave.   The cobbled roads,  the low round-topped wall and the big square fall-pipes. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

But I suppose it's rather typical of most of the West Riding mill towns.  Lots of "small" private mills and factories involved in all sorts of light engineering and other industries - including "pickles" - a great Yorkshire export !!!

Knowing the area so well, I can say it really is most impressive stuff.



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Dave the photo with the class25 and the mogul is what i call a look twice photo many would look at that and believe it is a real world photo

cheers Brian

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We have rules in here about posting shots of the real thing and claiming they are models :mutley

Superb work. Both the modelling and the photography. Just as you feel a pristine train on an exhibition layout spoils the effect so can a poorly photographed layout of otherwise excellent quality.

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You,d ave to be a **##@!^ hopeless photographer to spoil this layout.

It takes its own pictures.

One of the most impressive layouts I have ever seen and one we all aspire to copy.

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:wowWith such an influx of high quality pictures we sure need a "picture of the day" feature!:wow

 

Thomas, waiting for more pictures to come!



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HELP!

We are hosting my two eldest grandchildren and my middle son this weekend so I must appologise up-front.

There is a real danger I'll hijack not just this post but the whole forum. All my family are lovely and especially my grandkids, all six are as daft as my wife and me and all have been brought up to eat everything other kids do not, they are not whingey nor whiney kids and I've just had a good day with Callum, my eldest grandson at Peterborough show followed by a couple of hours playing trains here at Tetleys Towers.

My problem is, they've hijacked my tele! And on a night of not one but TWO HOURS of  'X' factor!!!!!!**************!!!!!  For the first time in history we had Eastenders on our tele last night, I accidentally tuned into Corry three years ago and our previous tele blew up and it was only 16 years old! In those hallowed words of Black Adder or similar I'd rather have my finger nails drawn and inserted somewhere private with barbed wire than watch reality TV or soaps but I've been out voted.

So I give advanced warning. The sun has only just gone down and already I've hit the Aldis cheap cider and barricaded myself into the study and logged on to 'Your Model Railway.' so expect a barrage of images and inane drivel from a beaten man.

Grumpy Old Gramps of Ancaster.

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Tetley wrote: So I give advanced warning. The sun has only just gone down and already I've hit the Aldis cheap cider and barricaded myself into the study and logged on to 'Your Model Railway.' so expect a barrage of images and inane drivel from a beaten man.



:cheers:cheers:cheers

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