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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 03:13 pm
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My wife and I recently had the good fortune to host Gordons19 at Tetleys Towers and he is clever. He even has a proper camera, and he knows how to use it! Gordon took this shot of one of my WD's crossing my latest creation, a four feet viaduct built on a gentle curve with track emerging from a cutting and my Rotten Row development on the hillside. Another really clever guy manipulated the image and added the moorland back scene.

This combination epitomizes what I'm trying to achieve with my layout. In my opinion you don't need to spend a hundred hours or more making one small building and set it in isolation nor add every rivet to a hand built loco. It's 'Only OO' and ready to run at that but it works for me and I'm my biggest critic.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 03:16 pm
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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 03:29 pm
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I'm still a novice on this forum and since I am to computing what a politician is to honesty I'm not yet up to speed on the clever stuff. Since I cannot yet see how I can add script to the image on 'My Layouts' category I'll do it this way. Perhaps I should add the script first?

My wife and I recently had the good fortune to host Gordons19 at Tetleys Towers and he is clever. He even has a proper camera, and he knows how to use it!Gordon took this shot of one of my WD's crossing my latest creation, a four feet viaduct built on a gentle curve with track emerging from a cutting and my Rotten Row development on the hillside. Another really clever guy manipulated the image and added the moorland back scene.

This combination epitomizes what I'm trying to achieve with my layout. In my opinion you don't need to spend a hundred hours or more making one small building and set it in isolation nor add every rivet to a hand built loco. It's 'Only OO' and ready to run at that but it works for me and I'm my biggest critic.

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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 03:34 pm
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What a super photo!

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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 05:19 pm
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Dave i fully agree with your statement regarding the viewing distance off any structure. It is extremely easy to get carried away with detail that nobody ever would see unless they used a telescope.

Yes concentrate on your foreground and close structures but as the distance grows back off on the detail.

I know some people like to do every structure to the same grade but if you are doing a rather large project one has to be realistic with the amount of lifespan us humans have.

cheers Brian

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 Posted: Sun Oct 11th, 2009 05:46 pm
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Brian,

Unfortunately I am now of an age when I require reading glasses and the only time I become aware of missing or less precise detail on models is when they are photographed close up. Since I am fortunate to have hosted a good many professional photographers to my layout I do ensure that there are no glaring shadow lines or gaps beneath buildings. All my buildings are removeable for cleaning so this is not always easy, I also detail all four sides of every building which some of the professionals do not. I believe positioning and grouping of buildings is more important than prototypical fidelity.

What I don't get wrapped up with is unnecessary fussing about, I know a bit about real building so I once added brackets to gutters and downpipes then forgot which building had them because I certainly couldn't see which did not have them!

Having said all that, my all time favourite building is the station on Happisburgh exhibition layout, sheer brilliance and it kicks all my arguments in to touch, well worth putting the reading glasses on for and I could spend ages admiring it. The same cannot be said for a good many more which purport to have taken an age to make but just don't look right in their setting.


I'll dig out some discs and upload some more images of Tetleys Mills. I'm afraid there are scores of little cameo scenes so members may well rue the day I started posting.

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Dave dont worry about the volume of photos you will soon learn all this lot love photos.

Are you still working on your tetley milss project or have you moved on to something else now?

cheers Brian

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Tetley no we won`t, so post away.

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Tetley wrote: I'm still a novice on this forum and since I am to computing what a politician is to honesty I'm not yet up to speed on the clever stuff. Since I cannot yet see how I can add script to the image on 'My Layouts' category I'll do it this way. Perhaps I should add the script first?


Dave, to illustrate how to add text, I've done it in your opening post for you to see (I hope this is what you meant)

Simply hit the return bar after inserting your photo and type away as normal and you have it.

Alternatively, type your text, hit return twice at the end, click on the "upload new photo for insertion" button and follow the instructions (just like photobucket)   ...   voila -- text and photo underneath.

The advantage of using our gallery :question:question   ...   ease of use and photo automatically reduced to our preferred width of 800 :thumbs:thumbs


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Dave

Thanks to you and Gordon for a great image of Tetley, Gordon for the low angle of the photo, and yourself for the modelling. very very good on both counts.

Couple of questions if I can

First, how big is Tetley, and do you have a track plan

Second, how long have you been working on the layout

Third, are most of your building made from card

I just love the look of Tetley from the few photo's that we have seen, it has real atmosphere, and looks just right :thumbs the sort of modelling that I try to achieve, which more me is more important than having everything correct and spot on.

Can't wait for more images

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Don't worry about being a novice, Dave.  We all started out that way; some like me not too long ago.  We each have our strengths and lift each other as we go.  The little bit I've seen promises much.  The camera shows most of us what we haven't seen, but it's great when we get it right.  Show us more, please. :thumbs



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I have always enjoyed your layoutit is an inspiration.  Looking forward to more photos.

 

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2nd attempt to add a message, the original script may re-appear but was lost to me as I tried to add an image. I'll try and answer some of the questions posed so far.

I'll keep trying.




My God the system works!

Right here we go again.

Tetleys Mills is housed in the slightly lower level extension visible at the back of our home, I built this in 1994-95 so 'the Current Mrs Shakespeare' should have a bay area from which she could admire her magnificent garden, she's the clever one, I'm just general handyman come grass cutter. Anyway having furnished the bay area I was still left with an empty space 8m x 5m so what's a chap supposed to do? I built my train set which is 23' 6" x 10' (Sorry about the unit of measurement mish mash, I build metric and model imperial). The original Tetleys Mills was the layout featured in Model Rail's launch on 20th September 1997, I recall the date because we delayed testing a new Honda VFR to buy the mag and were then splattered across a Lincolnshire road by a young lady who parked her 4 x 4 on top of me and the Honda, Mrs Shakespeare meanwhile was re-living her days during 'Operation Market Garden' as she practised her Parachute landings sans parachute but I digress. Anyway I was becoming disatisfied with the first layout which wasn't as good as I would have liked but it was then attacked by woodworm and the whole lot was stripped back to bare baseboards and treated.

Having a new blank canvas I re-built the whole lot from what had been an overlapped figure of eight into a seperate outer main line with storage loops. this is the line which featured in the new viaduct images recently posted. Unfortunately I could not completely remove the previous gradients entirely so I'm left with a length of 1.60 ish and the main line station is up to 50mm higher than the terminus. I will never have main line gradients again!


  

Sorry about the blurred image and I do not like overhead shots but this may give an idea of the track layout whilst breaking up my endless written narative. Taken from a raised entrance landing the main line station is on the left with all storage tracks on the right, a five platform terminus is ajacent to Tetleys Mills Bull Ring station which serves as an interchange since the two track systems are deliberately not linked to do so would not look realistic and would only complicate operating sessions. Tetleys Mills terminus is served by seperate storage tracks ajacent and again not linked to those of the main line. In front of the storage tracks on the right is the single line branch from the terminus serving the small industrial town of Barden, the station named Barden Road. (The road on Eastmoor Council Estate in Wakefield where I grew up in sight of the L&Y main line to Leeds and Manchester via Wakefield Kirkgate.




The whole railway from the opposite end and only slightly sharper than the other one. But all is not lost because it teases and frustrates in so much as members will have to investigate the individual images I have in store if you want to investigate further.

GOOD GOD I JUST THOUGHT I'D LOST EVERYTHING AGAIN! i'D BETTER SOON POST AND ADD ANOTHER ENTRY.

The current layout featured again in Model Rail as The Barden Branch in  April 2003 and twice more during 2005 when the terminus was completed so that gives a time scale as to the period of building all done incidentaly by me and only me, I have no team of helpers.  It is sort of ongoing hence the new viaduct alterations and I've gradually replaced the odd building. However I  am presently appealing through the Secretary of State over a planning application to build a new house for Julie, and me in our back garden. The local council planning  department have been deliberately obstructive so any future building is likely to meet with further obstructions. If all goes to plan there will be a completely new Tetleys Mills layout in another purpose built room 7.1m x 5.5m watch this space.

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Dave, here's a few more pics that I took a couple of weeks ago....





















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I knew this was going to be stunning stuff Dave. :thumbs

That viaduct shot is just amazing - there's no doubt about it, it could easily be the real thing.  The way those terraced houses follow the hillside is so typical of the area you are modelling - house above and below the railway - tunnels and moorland.  West Yorkshire brilliantly modelled. :cheers:cheers

I'm a little concerned that you've said you'd never have mainline gradients again - even at 1:60 :???::???:  I am just doing some re-planning for mine (somewhere in the Pennines) and I wanted to use gradients to allow me some extra space - do you really mean it's a no-no ?

 



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Oh boy !!!  Gordon posted those as I posted mine.  Wow and wow !!!!

The warehouse in photo 4 could just be the one (albeit less floors) in Huddersfield station and photo 6 could be the view from the Huddersfield to Leeds train passing through Dewsbury.  For those of you who don't know the rugged beauty of the West Riding of Yorkshire - I can assure you these shots are as near the real thing as you'll ever get !!!

I'm going back to study them in detail :doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb



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First, thanks Gordon for posting your own images of Tetleys Mills, I'm a bit concerned you managed to get Julie's half empty beer glass on show but thankfully yours and my mineral water bottles were out of shot, we wouldn't want the forum to think we allow strong drink to pass our lips.

Petermac.

There are many modellers who will disagree and in fact Gordons19 has included many gradients into his own layout and knowing how thorough Gordon is, he will have tested everything and it will work, although he has DCC.

I personally will not include gradients onto any future main line although branch lines are another matter. Things are not too bad since I re-engineered the viaduct and approach to Tetleys Mills Bull Ring station and I've managed to ease the gradient a little. I run 26 wagon goods and seven coach passenger trains, modern diesels are OK but even Bachmann WD's have previously struggled up the gradients which I admit are testing since I tend to run at slow speeds. Another problem I have experienced and one which I have witnessed on a leval DCC layout is that the during winter months condensation can settle on the track including human breath which can cause loss of adhesion. It is purely a personal opinion and confined to my own layout but I would advise anybody to test loco performance before committing to a given gradient.

Now for something totally different.

LIVE STEAM AT TETLEYS MILLS.

A few years ago a none modelling friend asked if she could bring a couple of her friends to see tetleys Mills, any friend of Janet is a friend of mine so I agreed.

The friend turned out to be no other than Brian Caton, those unfamilier with the name should be aware that he probably builds the smallest live steam locos in the world. These are OO but not working to Hornby's system using 18v. Brian's use ordinary 12 volt from the track to work the regulator although the boiler is heated by lighter gas / propane. Unfortunately the visit was during summer and so the actual steam is not visible but take it from me these are live steam and they perform as well as any eletric loco. 








Now that is what I call model engineering. A live steam OO Sentinel.

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Now that is a beautiful layout. It is great to see another new one on the forum too. I am sure I have seen this one in one of the MR magazines. I remember the wonderfil station forecourt. Outstanding stuff. More pictures please.

Those little steam engines are amazing too, engineering masterpieces.

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 The photos in post No 16 are amazing Dave, and the one over the viaduct is outstanding. :doublethumb



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