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 Posted: Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 11:00 pm
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This is for my New England layout. It will be situated near the river. I don't have a lot of room there, so perhaps I'll extend the idea by adding something low relief behind it, or perhaps I'll paint something suitable onto the backscene.
 I have no single prototype to work from but I have spent ages scouring the net and checking out images.

Apart from the rear wall which is thick card to save on materials, I'm using Evergreen styrene  Metal Siding #4529 . It's 1mm thick and a little bit too flexible so some of the longer walls have been strengthened by having spare strips glued onto them. Strips have also been glued along the vertical ends of walls 1mm from the edge to accommodate the end of adjoining walls.
 Glue is Testor's Liquid Cement For Plastic Models.

 The building is not square because it's on an angle to the backscene.

 Here is the progress so far, standing like a house of cards








 Insides have been painted black. I'm not sure that it's really necessary, but there's a chance I'll add some lighting one day, so the black [Jo Sonja's Charcoal] might be a good move. At this stage I'm thinking of painting the exterior some sort of blue.

 I cut the opening for the small door in the 2nd pic, then decided the door really should appear to open outwards so it has been refilled with that in mind.  The open rollerdoor means I'll have to add some interior details too.

 The three windows in the 3rd pic will be glazed. The finished window on the mezzanine area is printed on gloss paper. I might leave it at that and I might not. [I hate doing windows]

 More progress today I hope.

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 Posted: Sat Oct 3rd, 2009 11:41 pm
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Good start Mike, but help me here, you have built the building out of square because it is on an angle to the backscene?

Could you elaborate some on this?

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 50ft hopper - it just fits in :lol:


 Wayne  The building will be snug against the backscene but not at right angles to it, meaning the righthand side [with the 3 windows] is longer than the left [with the rollerdoor]
 That of course means the rear wall isn't parallel to the front.

 Window frames have been cut and fitted. I think I'll force myself to do one more and replace the printed window :roll:

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The girls are out, so lots more time available to work on this.

Windows have been done.  I compromised on the printed one, adding glazing over the top. I think it worked pretty well.



 These will remain unfrosted.

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Rear wall of card was glued on with 5 minute Araldite which also attached the H column running from front to rear.
The card was given an all over coat of Jo Sonja's All Purpose Sealer to protect it from moisture and make it easier to paint. Guessing the rear wall would have plenty of notices attached to it, and maybe a workbench or two. I'm toying with the idea of cutting another opening into the rear wall and adding a photo or painted scene into the space. It might even be possible to give the illusion that the tracks extend beyond this building.  :hmm  Getting sufficient light back there or inside the building to illuminate such a scene and justify the effort would be a problem, although I do hope to install lighting.  I'm open to all ideas and suggestions!

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Lots of excavations to do.
The left side with the open rollerdoor is ridiculously close to the river bank, and is suitable only for suicidal drivers.
Inside the corners are braced with triangular pieces of styrene and I-beam girders here and there.

Planning to have a ramp up to the rollerdoor with a raised floor inside. Rails will have to be embedded in concrete [water putty]

Work continues.

Mike

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Good to see some height there, Mike.
(Something often missing from layouts).
Very much like the building design.

You ask for thoughts but I don't have very many.
Maybe my tip of reinforcing corners with Lego might be useful - they even make blocks with peculiar angle to accommodate false perspective.
Certainly I find them useful for right-angles.
If they are visible, a covering of plasticard makes a good scale workbench.

The windows look fine.



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Thanks ddolfelin for your thoughts :thumbs Much appreciated. I don't have any Lego blocks. Fortunately it's holding together very well so far.

I have fashioned some very basic shelves and cupboards where they will be visible. Also gave the building its first coat of blue and made a floor out of heavy card.
Roofing is the next job. I'll probably go for an off-white.
Pics to follow.

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It's looking very good Mike and it's obvious that lots of thought has gone into the design (in spite of the "suicide" exit - lorry drivers are often like that !!). :thumbs

Looking at the "mock-up" in situ - you do need to make something of that back wall.  As you say - maybe the impression of the tracks continuing beyond the building - but would there actually be room for that - i.e. what's the terrain like on the backscene and would the "imaginary" track actually have somewhere to go ?

You could probably put in an imaginary length up to a buffer stop beyond the building - knowing you artistic skills, it shouldn't be too difficult.

Whatever - just blocking off the backscene with the building really isn't (to me) an option.  Even just opening up the back wall to reveal the backscene would be better than a dead end I think.

Enjoying watching how you work in styrene - and can't wait for your wonderful painting to start !! :cheers:cheers:cheers



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Thanks Petermac.

 There's only about 1" between the rear wall and the backscene. I've been thinking about how I could get enough light in that gap to illuminate any scene I might put there.  I do move my lights around a lot, so perhaps I could aim a floodlight down into the gap. I'm not sure if it would be worth the effort though. That said, I think I will at least try. I can always fill it in again if it doesn't work.  As you said, the idea of tracks extending to a bumper just behind the building is very tempting and I think it would be quite different.

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The blue isn't as pale as these photos suggest [the floodlight was very close] but I like the look of it and I'll be trying to achieve that look. More coats to do.

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Would a mirror at the back work !

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Rusted rivet streaks?



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Hi Mike

I would use a base of foamboard for your main structure if I were you. Can cant rely on platicard not to warp, especially if you are laminating some of it and not others. You can get self adhesive black foamboard and it should be a really simple retrofit to your building.

I would also consider replacing your roller shutter doors with something that has a different shape to the main structure as the matching materials look odd to my eye.

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i have to agree with Jim, the shutter door is wrong the ridges are too deep,
other than that it all looks very good the colour too.

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Alan: It would be interesting to see how a mirror would look. I'll check it out.

ddolefin : rusty patches are on the agenda. Rust from rivets is a good idea!

Jim foamboard, eh? I still have some of that left over from the warehouse.
Jim/Owen thanks for the honest opinions about the door. I was hoping to get away with it, but you've convinced me it should be better. I'll change it.

Thanks all. It's good to get all these views and ideas.

Mike

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I think why people are saying the roller shutter does not look quite right is usually they are set back from the outside skin there would a recess  on your model of say 5-6 mm then the roller door would look more realistic as at the moment its flush against the outside skin.

Overall its a nice looking stucture thou mike

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Here's where it sits. There's more room behind it than I expected, probably because I got the angle wrong :mutley but I'm glad I did.  The rear wall has now been opened up and the tracks will be able to run right through. I'll do my best to give the impression they continue on a bit, possibly to another building on the backscene.


 After the rollerdoor comments - which were extremely helpful, I hasten to add - I decided to scrap it and go for a sliding door instead. I couldn't think what to use to make a decent rollerdoor, and I didn't want to go down the same old route of printing one, so I used flat styrene sheet for the door and boxed-in track, and painted it up to hopefully look like metal.
 Card, styrene and piano wire have been used to represent electrical boxes and conduit. I used a hot needle to make the hole for the conduit.   Little electrical boxes - or something :lol: - supplied with Proto 2000 locos, and never used by anyone, make nice little ummm  .. electrical boxes.
 More work has been done on the interior too - inspired and surpassed by Dooferdog's examples!
 The building has been weathered with acrylics in a mix of mucky grey-browns, green and some red oxide. I had a bash at doing some rust streaks from rivets or bolts. Thanks ddolefin for the idea.

 The closest corner looks a bit wonky in the last photo in this post [below]  I think it was just caught up on some old plaster on the layout, caused by it being shoved into place, which forced the corner inwards.

 




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 I think I might have to brighten the interior walls. A clock might look good too. And a chair.
 The roof still needs doing. It will have one or two skylights.

 Not sure if the weathering is a bit strong. I don't think it is, but if it annoys me I can always rub some pastel dust over it.

 I think I'll have to add a rolled-up door over the rail entrance too. More work :roll: It might have to be printed, but I have something to experiment with first: the silvery coated cardboard on the inside of a longlife milk carton.  My dad's idea.

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Mike C,
         Just caught up with this thread.Its amazing to compare the 1st picture that looked non to promising with your last one that convinces me we're witnessing another Mike C masterpiece!
  How the hell d'you keep on doing it mate?
Lovely work......and that new door really lifts it,but I'd paint it a darker shade of the blue.(then 'distress' it a bit.)

cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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