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 Posted: Sat Sep 5th, 2009 01:19 pm
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Now as you know i went to the above shove. When we arrived the parking was in a field across the road but we noticed loads of cars going out of it more than going in. Is is not open, no its 11 o'clock and only been opened for 2 hours, strange. Anyhow off i went and saw a Marque in front of the building and a sign saying BBQ and 2nd Marque at the rear. It was packed but i think that was mainly to do with the fact the marquise where not that wide or long for that matter. Loads where leaving quite quickly muttering about there being a lack of something but loads of others?. I soon found out what, 95% of N gauge layouts on display and maybe 2% OO gauge. That i also thought was not on. Don't get me wrong they are great layouts etc but i am not really a big fan. No disrespect to those who do N on here i find them interesting and love reading and seeing how you do the layout etc but why did they not put a even amount of OO on display. I think maybe it was to do with space. No programme saying what was what or where either. Anyhow what i saw was very good and i shall stop rambling and get the pics up. Now i am no David Baily, more like Peter when he has had a few, wobbly and unable to focus :mutley. Its a newish camera and i have no manual for it so guessing how to work things.

I did manage to get picks for Jeff (Gwent Rail) of the Fleishman stand. So i do those first, i do have more Jeff if you want i could PM  them too you.









the pic below was a layout based around a station and all the noise of that was audible also every second the coach door's slammed shut and then 2 secs later reopened,




The next was a mining layout it was huge and i the it was G scale, i loved this one:












I love this T gauge one, shows anything will do for a layout to go on and makes reading the paper in the loo a naff idea now,

It go's by the name off,











Last but not least this was displayed in the Engine Shed shop entrance, no trains running but its N gauge and i thought what a wonderful layout, the rock face look so real,














Sorry but i forgot to put a space between the pics, any chance one of you kind Mods do a space in between for me please :thumbs, hope you can see them ok and if there is too many pics, TOUGH :twisted: you wanted pics you got them :mutley:mutley

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Good going Phill, we can never have too many photographs.



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Nice one Phill like the T (toilet) gauge stuff! :lol: That alpine layout with the rack railway brings back memories of my school trip to Switzerland in 81. We stayed in a place called Leysin and one of the best trips we had was to Montroux on the train. First we traveled down the mountain on the rack railway before changing to the mainline for a run along the shores of lake Genieva. Got some pics somewhere will post them up when I find them. ;-)

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nice set of pics Phill,some interesting layouts,as you say a bit short on 00
but never mind eh!

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The station on the toilet seat layout is it called Flushing?:lol:

Nice piccys there

I assume this is the gaugemaster exhibition they hold every two years

Our show is planned at the same rough date but on the alternate years to this one.

What other complaints or mutterings did you hear Phill as information like that is good feedback to try and make sure we dont make similar mistakes.

cheers Brian

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Phill,
     apart from the scarceity of OO gauge,there didn't seem to be any british outline stuff either!
     I must admit,it sometimes irks me when I go to a show thats dominated by stuff other than what I'm looking for.However,our show will have something for everyone,I'm sure!;-)

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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In fairness to Gaugemaster they do advertise it as a Continental show and get about 2000 visitors on that basis.  We are hoping that having a good selection of Continental layouts will pull a decent crowd to our show, but also having a decent selection of British in various scales as well of course.

The other thing with Gaugemaster is that I believe it is free admission?

Thanks for the pictures Phill - some good layouts there.

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Thanks from me too Phill.   Been looking for the piccy of the b b q



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henryparrot wrote: Phill


What other complaints or mutterings did you hear Phill as information like that is good feedback to try and make sure we dont make similar mistakes.

cheers Brian


I heard people mutter about the lack of space to actually see the layouts, due to the amount of people its to be expected. Also some of the guys on the exnibits where asking people to move away from the layouts as they where being knocked. So maybe we could think of say some sort of barrier in front of ours?. Not alot of info written up on the exhibits as well, so you had to ask and some just where not interested in answering. Also a big problem was kids running riot, thats a no no for a start, lot of sweat and tears, not to forget money tied up in these layouts we do. I did hear one guy say that his layout had been running for a few hours and thats why he would not run anymore for a while, :shock:. Said he had been testing for a couple of hours before it opened and his controls where getting hot.

Maybe we could do some sort of drink stall for charity?.

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Like the idea of the barriers. A six foot exclusion zone should do it! We could always put a metal barrier in front and wire it to a relco unit.:twisted:

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87 101 wrote: Like the idea of the barriers. A six foot exclusion zone should do it! We could always put a metal barrier in front and wire it to a relco unit.:twisted:

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What i did se and maybe a good idea was someone had built a Loco from scratch usng card and you had to guess the weight, this was free to do and if you won you got a gift voucher. Worth a thought is it not.

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Thanks for the illustrated report Phill. If the Coastliner ever comes off you might get a job on the Gazette / Herald as a journalist ;-)

In fairness to Gaugemaster's Continental show the shop at Ford is also aimed more significantly towards the Continental modeller than some, with perhaps a 40:60 split between Continental and British. I have seen other shops where the floor stock was almost all British.

There are some messages in here for our show not least the safety and security of the exhibits and the need for an effective management of the crowd including if a large number of children is present. Having something specifically for them to do can certainly help to keep them from boredom and frustration.

I organised a music festival in Hayle one summer which was popularly acclaimed as a thoroughly entertaining two days but was under-promoted and suffered poor attendance in consequence.

The Gaugemaster event from your report seemed to be perhaps a little the other way and too popular for the size of the site. We need to balance our act carefully here to ensure we get a decent turnout without having everyone shuffling along past the exhibits as the crowd jostles along.

And Phill - you don't need to be David Bailey to take pics - yours are just fine and show things as you saw them. With some great modelling and a number of recogniseable kits and bits on show as well.

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Crowd control barriers are a must at exhibitions - not only from the H & S point of view but if the metal crowd barriers are used they are absolutely ideal for leaning on to get a good view of the layout . About 3 feet from the layout is a good position for them  . Its quite some time since I hired any for an event but they were not that expensive for a couple of days use and I think the company providing the public liability insurance were happier that they were being used and this was reflected in the premiums payable .

I cannot say that kids have been a problem at any shows I have recently visited - in fact in many cases they were conspicuous by  their absence which was worrying from the point of view of the future of the hobby.

 

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The children where not a problem as such from what i saw but some hair raising moments were had when they put their paws on the layout to touch various things. The width between the layouts was not really wide. I mean we was about 3 a breast and you was touching the layout sides, trying to get passed without hitting the thing was a nightmare.

All i am saying is, we will have loads of space between i hope but barriers would be a good and safer option to stop folks touching the layouts.

Also most shows i have been to have a small kiddies layout for them to have a go on, which always go down well. One thing i did see and forgot to get a pic off was a layout showing how point motors worked with DCC and nice blue lights fitted in between the track sleepers, also it was showing what add on's a DCC control can do. Asked what the blue lights where for i was told they where just cosmetic but nice in the dark if you did not want your main lights on, thus enabling you to see the track and stuff on it.

Found loads of other ideas out as well, i was speaking to some model clubs about exhibitions and how they coped with various aspects of it. So if anyone would like me to PM with there way of doing it and maybe we could do smilier then ask.

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Thanks for posting those Phill - some good stuff there and well worth a second look. :thumbs

Crowd control is always a nightmare.  People generally are quite well behaved - particularly railway modellers but put a load of them together and they turn into a raging football crowd.  IMHO, we most certainly will need crowd barriers.  Not too sure of the floor situation but I'd say a single scaffolding bar around 3ft from the layouts - might be cheaper than the normal barriers but we'd need to check.

I do quite like continental stuff but because I'm not particularly familiar with it, it doesn't have that same "punch".  Not the skill, it's just that I'm never sure just how "clean" the continent really is and most seem to have spotless buildings etc.

Also, whilst I like all gauges (or is that scale :roll::lol::lol:) - I just like good models - I really would be disappointed if there wasn't a good smattering of "my" scale/gauge so I could see what can be done by me.  Some of the "N" gauge stuff on here is amazing but, like Rembrandt or Turner, try as I might, I'd never achieve anything close to that - just couldn't see it !!  With "OO" or even "O" the target is the same size as mine.

A clear view of any layout will always be a problem.  Like pigs at a trough,  you can only get so many people in a given frontage so trying to see "close up" might be difficult.

What I've usually done is have a quick wander around and ticked the layouts I want to study then gone back repeatedly until I'm lucky enough to get a good view.

I hope we have crowd problems at our exhibition !!! :roll::roll::roll::roll:



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Well

All this mention of crowd barriers what sort of shows do you lot go to i have only ever been to ones here in cornwall and to the best of my knowledge i cant remember seeing any crowd barriers at shows there are no barriers theres you then the layout

I think if we introduced 3ft barriers in front of all layouts we had better cancel half the layouts as the space would dissapear.

Down here they dont have barriers so why on earth would we need to introduce them Do other shows around the country have them?

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yes Brian they do,in fact i have never been to a show without them for the
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lets face it with the attitude of youngsters today they are needed.

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Certainly most exhibitors at our exhibitions down this way have their own rope or something across the front.  As Brian says if we have barriers three feet from the layout, on an aisle that is six feet either side.  Not sure how much people would see from three feet back either.  Presumably we get a better class of customer in Cornwall, unlike these marauding hordes up country!

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Maybe it's to do with attendances vs. space but as Owen said,  most shows I've been to (if not all) do have barriers.  Maybe not 3ft - that was an over-the-top measurement but certainly enough to disuade pointing fingers from reaching the layout.

It's not the "marauding hoards" from the North Chris, it's to try and avoid accidents.

If someone is close to the layout - say trying to get a photo - and someone behind him leans forward to get a better look, suddenly you're leaning on the layout and wham goes his chimney pots - pure accident but a pain for the owner.

Having said that,  if I'm charging to take my layout,  then maybe it's reasonable for me to pay for any barriers but I'm sure it's the organisers who pay normally :roll::roll::roll:



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I've been to many shows in the "bottom half" of the country and barriers are the exception rather than the rule. Usually seen only in the very big shows like Bristol and Scaleforum.

To avoid the large cost of barriers (3 day hire is around £4.50 per 6ft long barrier), I would say that a system of posts and rope links would be the most we may need. i went to the Sedgemoor Rail show last Saturday which had 15 layouts and there wasn't a barrier in sight. 

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