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Took advantage of  a couple of dry days and got the portable workbench into the garden. Currently on the bench is a 4 wheel coach lower footboards still to be fitted to chassis. J94 needing a major clean up and fittings fitted. 27XX hand rails, safety valve, vents etc., etc to be fitted. The body is not fitted to the footplate and is only placed on for effect. I only started it Friday lunch time so there is still a long way to go.






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Mike this is great to watch

When you say you started friday lunchtime is that the coach or the J94 bodywork?

i presume all the parts you had pre made and just soldered it together?

I look forward to updates to watch how you do this

cheers Brian

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That looks like my workbench, always tidy  :roll:

Which kit is the coach Mike, as it looks to have a lot of detail on the moulded sides

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Hi Guys, the coach is an etched brass kit from Branch Lines, it was the 27XX I started on Friday Lunch time. The frames were two pieces of brass tack soldered together then drilled for axle bushes, frame spacers, plunger pick/ups and brakes then cut out using a piercing saw with 00' blades (all 6 of them)!! the body is from nickle silver, boiler parts rolled using my rollers, rivets punched up using my very old rivet press parts cut using a piercing saw and the firebox top cold formed using a hammer and wooden former.In the words of my Meerkat friends "simple". Oh! I photocopied the drawings cut them out, then using a low tack spray mount, stuck them to the brass and nickle silver to use as templates...

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Thanks Mike

Like your new Avatar :thumbs

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when you do your soldering do you just use an electric soldering iron or do you sometimes use a blowtorch on larger areas?

cheers Brian

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Hi Brian, always use an electric iron, most of the 27XX has been done with an old Weller 75 watt other work with an Antex 25 watt. Carrs flux and tips cleaned with a stainless steel scourer, I never us a sponge. Solder is Carrs easyflow, Low melt and standard 3 core. I use my 75 watt for low melt by putting the iron near to the joint but not touching it, just letting the near heat melt the solder. You do need a steady hand and lots of practice, its certainly not for the faint hearted.

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Nice one, Mike.

Please do keep posting the progress of your stock building. It's a little different to the normal posts on here and very interesting to follow. :thumbs

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I second that. I love looking at 0 scale stuff.

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Mike wrote:  its certainly not for the faint hearted.


You're telling me :shock:

Really neat seeing how this sort of thing is put together Mike.

How do the kits compare with RTR cost wise?

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keep them coming please,as you said not for the faint hearted,
tried it once, made a right pigs ear of it and never bothered since
but i can solder now etc might just give it another go..

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Hi Marty, cost of build against cost of rtr ( unpainted) about 50%. However, the J94 was from an old Mercian Kit and was a real pain in the butt. The coach kit was picked up at an 0 gauge bring and buy and cost less than a third of a Slaters plastic kit.

The 27XX is scratch from nickel silver sheet and 1/8th brass for the frames, almost all of the bits are from my bodging drawers so she will have cost about £30 against say a Tower Models pannier at £450. Of course you can't put a price on your time so I think for me it's down to personal preference rather than cost.

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i can certainly see the advantages of building your own locos cost wise especiallt O gauge like you do.

I have looked at o gauge prices RTR and have always thought they are really way out of my league but if the time is available really you could probably build an O gauge layout within the sames regions of cost as an OO one.

cheers Brian

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Nice work Mike.
Now a question...
Where can I buy the bits for scratch building 0 gauge locos and stock?
I'm talking about bits like cylinders, chimneys, domes safety valves etc.
Modellers Mecca still have some bits but very limited stock since Roy Millership sold the business a few years back.
Any contacts or web addresses would be useful.
Thanks

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Hi Frank, go to the 0 gauge guild site and click on links to traders. if you use the search facility you will find a myriad of suppliers of bits and bobs. You don't have to be a member to use the site. Failing that you could always go to Guildex Sept 5th/ 6th at Telford and see almost all the 0 gauge traders under one roof.

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Mike wrote:  Of course you can't put a price on your time so I think for me it's down to personal preference rather than cost.


... thanks Mike.

and, I think, that with an 0 gauge layout, I would need less stock to be, personally, happy.  Something about storing it all too.

Very useful, sometime in the future, once the N scale layout is finished, a dabble in 0 or G is on the cards.

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Slowly, slowly the 27XX moves on- still loads to do. Chassis needs guard irons, AWS shoe and the brake rod needs to be changed to flat strip when I can source some suitable brass. The body needs bunker fire iron hooks and lamp irons, front and rear steam heat pies and pipe work along each valance. Roof needs whistles and the whole thing needs excess solder removed and to be really well cleaned. She will be numbered 2791 (Wolverhampton Stafford Road- 84A) so she will be at home on Pattingham.

 Just looking at the photos, I see I've forgotten the 4 lifting rings and the 2 tank straps, I'm also not sure if it should have a steam lance and a smoke box lubricator.:hmm

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Mike things like the funnel and dome etc i presume you buy from somewhere or do you have you own centre lathe?

cheers Brian

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Hi Brian, the chimney and dome are commercial products, but the safety valve I turned myself, as it has a simple flat bottom and didn't need to be fly cut.

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Well other than steam heat pipes, shes finished. She has been well and truly cleaned and is now in primer. Once shes thoroughly dry I'll paint the chassis black, fit the plunger p/u's etc. The body will receive its first coat of green (Land Rover bronze green) and by next weekend she will be fully finished and running. Then I'll start finishing the J94............

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Oh oh oh. Where's a picture Mike? Got to have a picture of her all primed up.

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I must say I am thoroughly enjoying watching your fleet take shape Mike. I have never worked in brass nor in O gauge (though I did have the obligatory Hornby tinplate stuff as a kid and still own a little of it) so this is a new world for me.

The stage by stage construction shows a lot of how you have gone about things which is later concealed by the paint job so thanks for letting us glimpse "beneath the clothes" as it were.

And Mike wrote:front and rear steam heat pies a nice typo, unless you really are modelling the crew's lunch arrangements! ;-)

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The white metal parts do you have to polish or fine abrade them before painting or do you use some sort of etch primer that smooths over the surface before top coat painting?

cheers Brian

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 OK. here she is in primer, I will leave it to thoroughly dry then check it out for any iffy areas then tweak were necessary. The primer is Halfords filler primer which helps with the castings.

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I know there are those here who object to, "gratuitous back slapping"  . . . but :wowwhat a great job, Mike :exclam

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:oops: Thanks. I will try and improve on the next one, honest:mutley

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It's a cracker Mike. You should be proud of that. I know I would be.

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What a fine looking loco Mike, look forward to the next instalment.

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Watching with keen interest here. I want that loco!

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one of my all time fav engines , look forward to seeing it in all its painted glory
a fine piece of work sir.

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You must be really "chuffed" Mike - I know I would be. :thumbs:thumbs

Hmm - "O" Gauge.....................I wonder if........:hmm

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Petermac wrote: Hmm - "O" Gauge.....................I wonder if........:hmm


Yes Peter... so do I...

If you get planning approval...  I'll risk asking Regional Command "New Holland" aka Tracy, since a precedent will have been set. Go on, I dare you. :lol:

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Getting there, still needs number plates (on order) buffer beam numbers, bucket, crew, glazing, weathering and a coat of Testors Dull Coat-when I can get some.

Must finish shortening the crank pins.

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oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh that's so nice Mike

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now that is a great little loco,you just have to chuffed with it.

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Very nice Mike. No problem getting Dullcote here but could I get it safely to you?

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What's the mechanism in the pannier Mike? I can't see it mentioned.

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Hi Bob, Mashima 1833 motor and 40:1 gears in a fold up motor mount/gearbox. Plunger P/U's on all wheels.

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Thanks for the info Mike. I should have asked before but any idea how much it weighs.

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Bob, the short answer is not enough! Once she is run in on the testbed I'll add some lead.
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Mike i assume the pannier is meant for Pattingham if so i assume Pattingham is to be set in an earlier period than the last layout?

cheers Brian

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Hi Brian, the loco is for Pattingham but still 1950's. The loco was based at Wolverhampton Stafford Road and before she was scrapped still carried GWR.

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 Almost complete, still needs a crew and final weathering.

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I have already said this once on this topic but I can't help repeating myself. Lovely, lovely loco Mike. You should be really proud. I know I would be. That's if I could make such a thing.

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Real 'engineering', I have enjoyed this thread, thanks for taking the time to post.

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Yes - she's a real beauty Mike and a credit to your skills. :thumbs:thumbs

Can't wait to see it "in the flesh" next year. :cheers

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If I didn't see it myself I wouldn't have believed it! Great Work Mike!

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Mere words cannot express how lovely she looks!  The finish is exceptional, Mike. :thumbs

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A little engine almost complete, a Manning Wardle built from a Agenoria Kit.



Still needs glazing, a crew and a little more weathering. the name plates are a set of 4mm 47 diesel plates. I thought Albion was appropriate for a Black Country engine, although I'm a Villa fan.

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Nice. Right down to the oil can on the running plate. :thumbs

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Beautiful.  Now have a rest and let the rest of us catch up, please.

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Very nicely done Mike

Is Albion going to be part of the locos`s running on Pattingham?

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Sorry, but I have an Austerity almost completely built from what can only be described as one of the worst kits I have come across and wait for it, a Pecket 0-4-0. Then I promise no more locos ( I do have my fingers crossed) which probably accounts for the length of time I 'm taking over typing this. When I exhibit Pattingham I will need several locos and a variation of stock to cover the 20+ movements in any one sequence, so the work bench is going to busy.

Cheers

Mike


PS. I have coined the term Skrit building, which covers scratch building with a soupcon of commercial bits and bobs, a sort of half and half combo.

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Superb work, Mike. Both of them are marvellous.

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Well almost another one finished for Pattingham. Still needs tidying, weathering, detailing and crew to complete. I really should have removed the dust before happy snapping, but you can get the impression. The wheels have been chemically blacked so it isn't paint on the wheel treads.:lol:

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Ah the curse of the dust :roll:. I lose count of how many images I take, some of which are then posted, in which there is dust settled on some part of the subject or a spider-web is revealed in full-screen mode which I didn't spot when I set up the shot. :brickwall

But a lovely little loco and a worthy addition to the fleet Mike.

One question. In the lower image the centre lamp iron above the buffer beam looks to be angled over somewhat. I realise these things got a bit battered and bruised in real life so it may be intentional. Or not.

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Curses, foiled again. Your right, me and my big fat fingers have bent the lamp iron outwards. Still never mind eh! it only needs a smack with a very large hammer to put right.
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It's a lovely looking model Mike. :thumbs

You didn't make it clear if this Pecket is from the same stable as the "awful" Austerity - if it is, it's a great build.  If it isn't, it's still a great build !!

You say the wheels are chemically blackened - in the kit or did you do it ?  I like the green  ;-);-) - it looks very thick.  Was it or are there just lots of coats ?

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Hi, the kit isn't from the same stable as the Hunslet, but it does have a resin saddle tank assembly which means it does need a cellulose primer. It does look a little heavy in the photo as it has been over-sprayed with a Matt coat which does not reflect the light. Once it has been weathered by dry-brushing to lift and enhance the rivet detail and create shadows it will look quite different.

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Mike - I think you misunderstood my comment. :???:

It wasn't intended to be critical at all - in fact, quite the reverse !!  I really DO like the green - I think the colour looks very dense and workman like rather than some rather washed out "light" coverings that you often see.  I actually wanted to know how I could achieve similar results !!

Sorry if you thought I was saying I didn't like it !!! :oops::oops:   (Note to self: Petermac really must try harder to say what he means:Red Card)

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I didn't take offence at all in fact quite the reverse. What I didn't answer was your question about the chemical blacking.I used a product called super blue which is used on gun barrels.The green was a couple of light coats of a Halfords car aerosol over a yellow filler primer, again a Halfords product.

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Is that "gun blue" conductive Mike ?  You said earlier that it wasn't paint on the wheel treads so I presume it is a liquid metal type product. :roll:

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Hi Peter, short answer to Gun Blue, yes!!!! I'm in trouble if it isn't.

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A little more work on the Peckett, weathering, crew, bucket, hammer, wrench, oil can and slacking pipe hanging over the cab side.

Note to self, must fit the roof on properly before taking a photo.

 

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roof ? who cares ,still worth looking and enjoying .

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I Like that little engine Mike!

As for the roof, if I had a dollar for every time I saw something that didn't fit right, in the photo that I posted, I could finish buying everything I need for my layout!

That camera has a unique ability to humble a person very fast! So join the club, there's already a lot of members here. :lol:

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Nice work Mike :thumbs. Little details like fire irons can make a lot of difference to the overall look of a locomotive and how often do we ever see the slacker hose modelled?

I'm with the rest of the lads on the overall appearance. The day we achieve perfection perhaps we can post that perfect picture to show it. Until then it will be "warts and all", or cobwebs, dust, fallen plastic people or animals, a stray fence post, incorrect signal and point setting and less than perfectly-fitting parts.

If I were waiting to show an image which was fault-free you guys would never see my layout!

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Mike a lovely little engine

On O gauge locos like your 0 4 0 you have there do you get pick up problems like you get with the smaller gauges or does the size of the model overcome most of those?

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Hi Brian, the loco is equipped with plunger pick/ups which are connected to the motor with very thin flexible wire (like on a grain of rice bulb). After they have bedded in they are almost completely self cleaning and I have been running my B4 0-4-0 for the last 3 years with no problems, they just need the treads kept clean and of course clean track.

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"All Quiet on the Western Front" well almost. Just  a couple of photos to show my three pannier variants. Swindon, Kerr Stewart and North British built



 7713 still needs finishing.

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Very nice Mike

Am i correct that the middle one with the brass dome bit is the swindon built one?

cheers Brian

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Hi Brian, front to back -27XX Swindon built, 57XX with early cab and polished safety valve, Kerr Stewart, 57XX (BR) one of the last of the square cabs North British. All of them have the B4 boilers although only the BR version has a top feed.

27XX mainly scratch built, 7713 rescued from a part built kit obtained from the 0 gauge guild minus a whole host of bits including roof, rods, lamp irons, fire iron hooks, cab doors, whistles and buffers. 57XX (BR) built from a Vulcan Kit (now Zero Zephyr)

27XX and 7713 fitted with Mashima 1833 motors and 40:1 gears, BR version has an RG7 portescap motor.

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I like those Mike !! :thumbs

That pannier must be one of the most attractive small locos ever designed - your models certainly do it justice. :cheers

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I must agree with Peter regarding the pannier engine its a great looking loco.

The GWR must have had a brainstorm and decided they must make something that looks a little differant:lol:

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I must admit to a liking for GWR pannier tanks though in my case Underground lined maroon is the livery of choice. Though these are very good examples and lovely images showing the variations in design and livery.

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Thanks for your comments guys, I've used 7713 as therapy whilst waiting on all the tests and scans my wife has been having. At least we will have Christmas at home as her operation is booked for January 13th.

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Now this is a first so please dont say nothing to me :oops: but i really like those GWR Panniers, very nice, nay just have to get mine out.

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