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I'm sure I've asked before but can't for the life of me find it !!

What's your experience with printers and scalescenes stuff ?

I know mine doesn't seem to get anything like a decent colour match (it's a Lexmark X75 all in one) so what should I look at (it would have to be reasonably priced).  Inkjet,  laser, multi-cartridge or colour mix cartridge and what paper do you all use ?

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I had some initial issues with the printing not producing the colour I had expected.

I use an Epson Stylus Photo RX510 loaded with Epson premium glossy photo paper which is what Scalescenes suggest.

To achieve the correct colours I had to go into the printer control panel and edit the settings. I could bore you with a blow-by-blow but unless you were running the same printer it would mean nothing.

My suggestion is to look at your own settings once you have the "Print" screen or menu up but before actually hitting the "Print" command and see what works. It may take a couple of attempts.

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Wow - that was quick Rick !!

Many thanks. :cheers

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I printed my platform edges on an Epson Crappy 60 (I guess that is what the C stands for!) on normal laser paper and was amazed how well it came out.  The printer was the first one we had in the shop as I have no colour printer at home - it must be 7 years old now.

Bet it would be much better with decent quality paper as Rick suggests

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I use an epsom DX3800 printer/scanner/copier with tesco own brand premium paper. I use alternitve cartrages (pro jet) to the epsom ones as they cost a blooming fortune or put another way 10 sets of cartrages works out the same price as 1 set of epsoms! Heres a link...

http://new.ukdvdr.co.uk/product.php?product=PJ-T611&title=Epson+T0611+Compatible+Cartridge+-+Black

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i have an epsom dx 740 useing pheonix inks and i get a very good print of
scalescenes stuff.

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I use an Epson CX3900 Inkjet with standard bright white copy paper & the colour seems to be a good match - I had to purchase some TX07 Aged Brown Brick coz I stuffed up the top row of bricks from the magazine page ( I had copied it before but only once). Granted ,the print was straight Properties, not quality Photo but once the warehouse/goods shed is matt varnished, no one will be able to tell the difference between what was shiny Hornby mag paper & my paper.

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The latest Epson printers are extremely good quality. Some have been mentioned above. We have a brand new Stylus Photo TX700W in addition to the older RX510.

I could use the new printer for my Scalescenes but as the old one is hard wired to my computer and the new one requires me to walk into the next room with a memory stick ..... :roll:

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Extract from another forum by Trevor:
If you look at John Wiffens 'Tips & tricks' you will see that he suggests applying a couple of coats of Artists matt spray varnish over the print-out before they are fixed down onto the card. This way the colours are fixed and any excess glue will simply wipe off with a damp cloth.

While I could not find that specific tip, only the one mentioning spraying after the kit is built, it is perhaps a good idea.

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I normaly spray mine after building to seal the cut edges. ;-)

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Thanks for all the info - hints and tips guys,  particularly concerning the inks and paper.  It seems Epson might br the way to look.  :cheers:cheers

Nowadays,  printers are remarkably cheap so buying a new one would probably only be slightly more expensive than changing the colour ink cartridge on my Lexmark !!

I'll also remember the tip from Owen (I think it was) given ages ago about leaving the printer switched on all the time to stop the colour cartridges drying out. :roll::roll:

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That won't happen with an Epson. You don't need to waste power on stand-by just to keep the ink flowing!

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Has anybody actually looked at the cost of printing the scalescenes projects as some of them require quite a few pages of full colour printing and with the price of some print cartidges this could be quite a significant cost and perheps not taken into account when you are looking into the price of the model overall

I know you can buy the ink cartridges cheaper but sometimes people will only buy the manufacturer ones only as they think the other ones are perhaps not as good plus the printer manufacturers always try and tell people to only use thiers.

Im sure somewhere there is a printer reveiw site that could tell you arough cost of a full colour printed page cost.  

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You have a point there Brian.

I used to print my own photos on both my main printer and also a small HP desk-top one that came with one of the cameras I bought.  I then found out that it's much cheaper (other then for the odd print) to download them onto a disc and take them along to a camera shop.  The prints are much better (and dirt cheap) - I've found with the desk-top jobs, the inks fade pretty quickly and replacement cartridges for the small HP printer are around 30 euros each !!!

Maybe someone has costed the Scalescene printing costs.  :roll::roll::roll::roll:  Maybe even, Scalescenes have shares in a cartridge manufacturer :hmm

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i never actually costed the job as such , but my set of scalescenes

terraced houses came out about £15 =£10 for inks +£2 paper +£3 for card
we don`t have cornflakes!!!

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Would that cost for inks be just for the Scalescenes job or is there ink left for another day? It seems an extremely high cost for just one job.

A full set of six Epson cartridges for my printer is about $120 or £60 but they will last for months even if I am printing out full glossy images on heavyweight paper.

I ran off eight sheets of Scalescenes station signs and the ink monitor hasn't even blinked.

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The thing to remember is that the kits from Scalescenes are not available as already built units so if you want a specific building, then you have to print it out

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Exactly. I only wanted a few of the signs but there were perhaps a hundred on the sheet. But I do have the rest of the sheets in case they become useful in future.

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I have had a little look around on the web and i think a good guide is about 30-40p a page colour printing average stuff

So depending how many pages you print you have to add and ink costs 30-40p plus of course your paper costs together to give you a good idea of the costs plus cock ups

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That would probably run out at about 60p a page max, and that's allowing for quite a few mistakes and colour correcting.

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My printer uses 4 cartrages that work out at 57p each from ukdvdr (link in earler post). Never had any problems with them in the past couple of years.

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If someone has already said this, I apologise, but haven't seen it.........

John Wiffen has thoughtfully provided a test sheet so that you can see how his colours come out on your printer.

I understand you do not have to pay to print it.

You may, like me,  find you would prefer to increase 'gamma' to give a lighter print, but whatever you do, the very minute the sheet comes out of the printer, write down on the reverse every single setting you used to produce it, including what sort of paper it is.*

Good Luck.

http://www.scalescenes.com/test/scalescenes_test_print.pdf


* otherwise you'll be as stupid as me and spend hours trying to reproduce a particularly pleasing colour!

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Dave,will have to try them.

Rick, the job is 35 sheets,plus colour adjustments and reprints from faults
it soon mounts up.

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Owen is that 35 sheets for the set of 3 terrace houses?

If so im glad i had my wicked plan sunday if i had used scalscenes terraced house that would be over 100 sheets for what i wanted to do if 35 each

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Many sheets are 'internals' and details in these kits. If your building is to be visible from only one side or from a distance you can chose which to print, or, do a screen capture and place a big white square over the patrs you don't need.

That can help a bit, too.

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Brian, it was a set of four, bit as doof said most where internal,plus
twelve sheets of instructions

now i know better i will only print what i need.

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Yet another example of how useful this forum is .:doublethumb

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thats not so bad then of course as its a pdf you dont really need to print the instructions

plus the internal stuff isnt going to use colour ink

when you said 35 sheets if thought doodoo how many printed sheets must that new large staiton they do take

cheers Brian

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When I built my houses and shops at christmas (still to finish!) I only printed the outsides as the windows have tissue paper stuck behind them. The window frames look great however when printed on to clear plastic. ;-)

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Brian the internals do need colour they are pics for walls, carpets ,bookcases etc
but it still takes 18-20 sheets for the building.

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Remember, to give the windows a more realistic 'scale' black/very dark grey, you can lightly dust the freshly printed acetates with talcum powder, leave at least an hour to dry and then brush off with a soft brush.............

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=3347&forum_id=14&highlight=windows+print+doofer

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Yes, the Scalescene test page is good, that is how I determined I needed the addional colour for my warehouse.

I must admit I have not considered the printing cost, paper is the cheapest at 1p a page, Ink, 4 new cartridges would cost 28 quid & if that did not do at least 100 pages of lots of colour, I don't what! So based on 35 pages for houses, I would anticipate it would cost me 9-10 pounds max.
It maybe that Metcalfe are a better financial situation for some buildings.

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Interesting discussion on the cost of scalescenes vs metcalfe - I had started to think about that but never got round to checking it out but maybe it's time to look more closely.

I find the scalescenes are more adaptable than metcalfe if you want to play about with the design of the building so for that reason alone I'll probably keep using them, especially for low relief work which predominates on my scenery.  The adaptability means I can create more variety in the buildings.  To cut down on page printing I have to confess to a bit of a cheat - on some pages there are parts I need a lot of and others only a few so I cut out the popular pieces and stick them on a white sheet and scan it in so that I can then print multiple copies of just the parts I need.  I also don't keep printing the base layers - just one set and then make templates to mark out the card when I am building multiple houses.

On the subject of printers I have an Epson Photo RX560 and after a lot of problems with my previous Epson using compatible cartridges - poor colour, frequent head cleaning which really does get through the cartridges, short cartridge life and in the end up, short printer life I decided I'd stick with Epson originals this time.  I would never again use compatibles - although more expensive I reckon I get at least twice the life from the Epson cartridges, hardly ever have to run a head clean and the colour has been great.  Mainly I buy the multipack with ASDA being best buy I have found with an occasional shop around for a top up of black and the more used colours.  For scalescenes I am using a 160g/m paper by mondi (think I got it from Staples) which it says is for digital colour laser systems but it works great on the inkjet - cheaper than colour print paper and robust to work with.

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you havs a point about the cheap inks, they do seem to run out faster
and i do have to clean the heads a fair bit.

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dooferdog wrote: Remember, to give the windows a more realistic 'scale' black/very dark grey, you can lightly dust the freshly printed acetates with talcum powder, leave at least an hour to dry and then brush off with a soft brush.............

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=3347&forum_id=14&highlight=windows+print+doofer

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Doug - these little "snippets" are cropping up everywhere.  Why not bring them all together under the "Hints and Tips" section with different headings - "Windows";  "Doors" etc. etc.  That way, I wouldn't have to try to remember where I saw them - my memory (along with other bits of me) isn't what it once was !!! :oops::oops::oops:

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You could always try looking in the Forum Index under Windows Peter.

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we keep telling him Bob and he keeps forgetting

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Yeah, I know but don't forget our Peter confuses easily.  :lol:  :lol:

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Make that "Very Easily", Bob :exclam :mutley:mutley

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Sorry, chaps, I must come to the defence of my fellow ex-pat.........:shock:

If you had to suffer like we do, forced to swill down Bordeaux red at 80p per litre, you'd confuse easily, too!:cheers

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Robert wrote: You could always try looking in the Forum Index under Windows Peter.
I could indeed Bob - but that would be far too easy !!! :oops::oops::oops::oops::oops:

Thanks for the support Doug - they really don't realise how tough life is out here.  Even the language is confusing. :cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers

I may change my bye-line to "Easily C'd" :roll::roll::roll::roll:

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I dont know all these retired expats having to suffer like they have too.

All us ones who are still working can sympathise very much with all of your suffering:lol::lol::lol:

cheers Brian

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Rhubarb, rhubarb. Shame on you for mocking us poor old age pensioners Brian.:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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The one big advantage of the scalescenes kits is that you only print off what you need. When scratchbuilding my buildings I print off diffrent sheets off diffrent kits as required ie. for my station building I used grey brick sheet, floor coverings from the terrice houses and tarmac from the platform kit for the roof.

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Gwiwer wrote: Exactly. I only wanted a few of the signs but there were perhaps a hundred on the sheet. But I do have the rest of the sheets in case they become useful in future.
Hi, Rick,

The site below can be a real help in this respect,

http://www.faststone.org/

By downloading and using Faststone Image Viewer 3.9, you can use the 'Screen Capture' facility to snip out just the bits you need from a screen picture and save it as a jpeg.

Imagine you wanted signs number 3, 23, 45 and 50, you'd simply 'capture' them into a folder and print from there.

Similarly, if you only want the front door from card model you can cut it out, save it to a file and print it from there without the rest of the building.

It also does the very useful [sometimes] job of searching your 'pooter for all image files and sticks them in folders and sets.

Have a try, it also 'uninstalls' very cleanly if necessary.

Good luck,

Doug

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I have used the free version for some time now and it does what it says on the box. A good freebie. I'll put it in the Computer software section if I haven't already done so.

PS. I see it's in the Photographic software section. Good.

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There's also this from the Index :

http://www.graytex.com/laser-ruff-n-tuff-paper.htm

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I'm sure the toughprint paper is good but so it should be !!  At £42 for 100 x A4 sheets, it doesn't come cheap !!

On the other hand,  I usually only buy cheapo printer paper - about 80gm I should think.  What price is quality laser paper ?

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Thanks Martin - that's put me in my place !! :oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops:

Presumably,  with the paper,  you'd still need to back it with either card or plasticard so that would add to the cost bringing it closer to the (embossed) plasticard price :roll::roll::roll::roll:

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 Those tough 'papers' would be perfect for my layout that cops a lot of humidity! Thanks Martin and Bob.
 I think that IF you could get them on a wide enough roll they might even be suitable for painting backscenes...:hmm That's got me thinking.

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An addendum to this thread. It has been noted on another forum & I too found this out.

Wanting to have an inside wall of the North Light engine shed  darker than supplied, trying to print it out with variations & maintaining definition was a tad difficult so I e-mail John Wiffen of Scalescenes & within the day, he e-mailed a specific updated file of the new page at no cost.

 

Just noted on his website, the Low Relief warehouse from the Hornby magazine  ( the one I modified for my Barnstable http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=4005&forum_id=52&page=5    & http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=4447&forum_id=101) is now a freebie

http://scalescenes.com/

 

There is also now a large overall roof  [url=http://www.scalescenes.com/products/R005a-Large-Overall-Roof   to]http://www.scalescenes.com/products/R005a-Large-Overall-Roof   to[/url] go with the large station building  http://www.scalescenes.com/products/R005-Large-Station-Building

 

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Now that overall roof looks interesting............:hmm

I wonder if it could be modified to take clear glazing sheets. :roll:

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Hi Peter from my experance with scalescenes John recomends using OHP transparency sheets to print the glazing on so I would have at a guess that the roof kit is the same. :thumbs

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Thanks for that Dave :thumbs  It does look like a good and versatile roof structure - maybe it can be butchered for my proposed curved station.

I think I'm going to need a new printer before I can get to grips with the Scalescenes stuff - mine doesn't seem to want to print in the shades I need !!  I've talked about printer problems on here before but have never done anything about it.  Lexmark seems to come as a cheap "kit" with the computer but it eats ink and costs a fortune to re-charge.  I need a black ink cartridge (No 16 for high use) but the price in the supermarket here is close to £40 !!!!

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 I use an Epson Peter, with individual inks so you only need to replace the colour that runs out

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Mine is the new Kodak printer. Its the dogs whatsit. £70quid when i got my comp. For the black and white ink its 6quid and the colour is 9quid a time. Cheapest on the market an advertised on tv. The thing use's less ink than normal printers. Also i have a scanner on it and various plug in thingys.

Mine is the ESP3 first pic on the left of this page Peter,

http://www.pcworld.co.uk/martprd/editorial/kodak-printers&camp_id=ppc_google_generic_categories_printers_kodak?source_id=aw&camp_id=Currys%20Google

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Thanks for all your advice guys - I'd considered the Epson Kev - it has been reccommended by other members and Bryan - a laser has always been "top of the tree" for me but nowadays, as inkjets are so much better, I'm not too sure the extra costs would be justified.  I'm not "office" type usage - the reason for the "high use" cartridge is that it's not that much dearer than the "standard use" but prints about 3 times the pages !!  The colour cartridge always seems to be either empty or dried up from lack of use (aren't we all :roll::roll:)

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how about that new Kodak printer they keep advertising on the tv

Print and prosper

They claim its far cheaper to run than standard inkjet printers

How good they are i have no idea but may be worth looking

cheers Brian

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Have a look at the site below to see if they sell the ink to fit any new printer before you buy, that way you will have cheaper ink to run your new printer with.

I have always used Epson, and have never had any problems until they die, and with me that about every 18 months.


http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Ciberdirect__W0QQ_armrsZ1

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If you look on post 58 Brian i have got a Kodak and also gave Peter the site to look at them.

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Thanks for the link Alan - thay only appear to send to UK but it may be worth the extra postage if I had them sent to a UK address and forwarded. :roll:

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Hi Peter mines an epsom printer/scanner/copier and uses 4 cartrages (red, yellow, blue, black). I buy my cartrages from ukdvdr on the net rather than the proper epsom ones at £30 a set! Never had any probs with the printer over the past three years i've been using them. The reason that leximark printers are so cheep is they make a killing on the replacement ink. Proberly cheeper to by another leximark printer than the cartrages!

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Hi all, My printer is an old Dell 940, When I changed to windows7 64bit, I could not use it no drivers available. So I fooled the comp with a vista 64 bit driver for the dell 940, works like a charm.
Now just a question on paper and card, Is the thickness of these items measured in grams, I see some are sold at 160gms others range to 250gms/350gms, what does that mean in english!
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It's Grams per Square Meter. This might help:

http://www.thegloucesterprintingco.co.uk/file-upload

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http://www.office365.co.uk/Paper/Paper.htm

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:thumbsMany thanks Perry, Now I know what to look for!

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