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 Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 04:46 pm
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jim s-w
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Hello Everyone

I am currently in the process (and probably will be for the rest on my days) of building a model of Birmingham New Street station and its southern approaches in P4.

About me

I am 34 years old and have been modelling for as long as I can remember, I started modelling in P4 at about 15 years old and have never looked back. My interest in Britains railways seemed to get stuck in the late 1980's and has never moved.  I have written a few articles for magazines (such as Model Rail and MRJ) provided illustrations and photographs for others (BRM and Rail Express) and editied the DEMU society magazine, Update for several years.

 I started thinking seriously about modelling a layout based on New Street about a decade ago and that goal has evolved but never wained.  Originally I figured out I could model the Wolverhampton end station throat in just 8 feet!  With 10 foot long fiddleyards either end - not the best idea in the world!  At the time we were thinking about taking Calcutta Sidings (EM) off the road and replacing it with a larger P4 version.  Thats when we hit upon the idea that if 3 of us share the effort in building a universal fiddle yard we can all build our own fronts to fit it.  The fiddleyard grew steadily as we went along until my friend Phil Eames called a halt and set the size of Calcutta sidings 2.  It will grow more for New Street to reach a length of 62 feet.  The overall depth of the layout will be 20 feet and the minimum radius (which is in the fiddle yard) is 9 feet.

The following pictures show progress so far on the front of New Street.















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 Posted: Thu Jun 18th, 2009 05:20 pm
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Don't really know what to say Jim............... that's one heck of a big project that you have started, how many boards does it take, ans how big is each board, is that P4 flexi track and hand built points.

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I'm looking forward to seeing this story develop, Jim. An ambitious project in any gauge, but especially so in P4.

Is this a "stay-at-home" layout or will you be exhibiting it? Having exhibited with Newport MRS layout "Belle View" I am aware of the things different atmospheric conditions can do to a P4 layout in a leisure centre.

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Beautiful work, Jim, and as Jeff says even more impressive in P4.  We will all be watching it develop with great interest. Welcome from DU :thumbs



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Very nice Jim.  You certainly are making progress on what is certainly a large undertaking.

 

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Thats a lovely project Jim and as you say its going to take you a long time to do it.

Looks like a blue diesal era layout that will make a certain blue diesal fan here very happy

cheers Brian 

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 Very impressive Jim, you have obviously put a lot of work into this project and i look forward to seeing it develop.:doublethumb



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:wowSome serious effort and attention to detail gone into the layout Jim.

"Thats when we hit upon the idea that if 3 of us share the effort in building a universal fiddle yard we can all build our own fronts to fit it."

Does that mean that you can't connect your own layouts together? Just to the fiddleyard one at a time?

Would love to see a track plan to demo the concept.

Well done. Looking forward to seeing this develop.

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Jim that is looking like some seriously good work there, right down to the weathering on the 108. Some off the shelf bits in there as well by the looks - is that a Peco platform edge I spy? It all goes to show that along with a lot of quality workmanship that not everything has to be done from scratch.

Even the screw head at 45° doesn't spoil things but shows that like the rest of us not everything fits as neatly and tidily as we might wish though any indiscretions can usually be hidden away later. Hands up the person who has every screw neatly countersunk and out of sight!

I look forward to seeing this develop as you say possibly over the rest of your days! And I thought mine was big but then I'm not representing a major city station.

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Lovely layout and it is going to be huge. Could someone remind oh thick one what is P4, i have forgot :oops:.

Yet again Blue Diesol's :thud, whats wrong with green :mutley

I also like the road bridges and bus's. Looking forward to this developing.

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what is P4
True 4mm : 1 foot scale. HO and OO are only approximations with OO being quite a way off any true scale.

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Thanks Rick, your up and about early?

So much to learn and take in on here you seem to forget it all, :oops:.

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Gwiwer wrote: what is P4
True 4mm : 1 foot scale. HO and OO are only approximations with OO being quite a way off any true scale.


H0 is scale with 3.5mm to the foot  for USA ,Aust & most of the European models/market  & uses 16.5mm trackage which the 00 also uses . 00 of course is an incorrect scale vs gauge - peculiar to UK models.

P4 as you say is 4mm top the foot as does 00 but uses correct scale track of 18.83mm = bit fiddly as flanges are also smaller & so trackwork has to be to finer standards.

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Hi All

Thanks for the comments. The boards average out at 5ft x 3ft 3 inches but they tend to be adapted to fit the shape. For example all of the boards in the station area have joins under bridges so that the joins in the OLE can be hidden. I did a test plank to practice scratchbuilding OLE as I had never done it before, a few pictures below.





The layout is to be exhibited and all the track is P4 flexi and handbuilt pointwork. The 3 layouts do not fit together.

Some pictures of a small section of the fiddleyard below
























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Wow.



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Jim, that fiddle yard will cerainly hold some stock.


I must admit, I have a liking for OLE especially


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jim s-w wrote:
Some pictures of a small section of the fiddleyard below







 

SMALL SECTION -???

Good grief Jim this is amazing :shock::shock::shock::shock:- you're going to need New Street to accommodate it. This is a "must watch" must. Any plans for the Bullring to be modelled.:thumbs

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Quite some yard! And those are the shots of the OLE I was thinking of from elsewhere. Show me the real thing and pick which is which. :hmm

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Jim

Your "TEST PLANK" as you call it, makes a suburb diorama on which to photograph any stock, have you used it as part of the layout, or is it just a test plank ?

I can see that we are going to enjoy looking at this layout and also your work, how long have you been working on New Street ?

Oh and thanks for posting more photo's, but you have us hooked now, so don't stop with the images and the information to go with them :thumbs

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The test plank is lovely.  :thumbs



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