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 Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 10:48 pm
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Ian Morton
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Charmouth is a layout being built for a DVD which will show how to build a model railway using ready-to-run/use products from your local model shop.

The concept is the same as the Shake-the-Box layout serialised in Hornby Magazine.


The station building and village behind.


A view over the goods yard. The tree is inside an early prototype of what would become the Eden Project :shock:.


The M7 has come off the rails. That will mess things up good and proper.


Every proper layout based in this part of the world has a dairy.

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 Posted: Tue Jun 2nd, 2009 11:13 pm
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Ian, I see that in picture 1 you are using corrugated cardboard in an elevated section. Is this a permanent "base" or will you use something else. If permanent how will you treat it and "disguise" it? The reason I ask is that I've tried using such card in small projects and it hates liquids if they come near it!

Following this project with glee! I don't get Hornby Mag sent over here so this is a treat!



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This will be an interesting one to follow. One question   ...   when you say "out of the box" is the concept using it without modification :question Is weathering and / or repainting allowed :question

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Interesting topic to follow! Please keep the updates coming!

 

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The corrugated cardboard is glued to some timber strips with a 'No More Nails' type adhesive and will be coated with a thin layer of scenery. For the road area this is a mix of tile adhesive, acrylic paint and PVA  and for the 'green' areas a coat of household paint.

The 'Shake-the-Box' idea is to use things straight out of the box on the whole, although I do paint the track and on this one will give the Peco plastic items a little treatment - nothing too fancy though. The whole point of the concept is that given the standard and range of items available over the counter anyone could do the same from a standing start.



The baseboard is traditional 2'x1' with a 6mm ply top and backscene. The ply was cut to size from an 8'x4' sheet at the DIY store. Legs are metal furniture legs, also from the DIY store.

The station board is 5'x2' with a 4'x1' fiddle yard board.

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I like the concept of using ready-to-use stuff. Nothing wrong with that. It's a shame when hobbyists look down their noses at it. I've been guilty of that myself - thinking of early Skaledale here. But the products fill a very important niche and encourage new recruits as well as seasoned veterans. We shouldn't forget that.
Layout looks good already :thumbs

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this concept is what the hobby needs,it brings it back down to earth,
like  Mike i have tended to look down on rtr scenery stuff but i think
it is self inflicted snobbery.
the surprising bit is every body oohs and aahs when they see a retro
layout with all the old plastic stations ,buildings and those godawful
bottlebrush trees.

wierd lot aren`t we ???

:mutley:mutley:question:cool wink

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Watching with interest here as a user of "RTR" scenic pieces, though often with some attention in the paint shop.

I see nothing wrong at all with a simple layout "out of the box" as it can be a stepping stone and a learning stage on the way to bigger things. The total spend on Charmouth looks to be within a reasonable range so that the prospective modeller isn't put off by seeing thousands of pounds-worth of kit and making assumptions about how much they will need to even get started.

And on a purely personal note I always felt the real Charmouth somehow missed out on the railway scene, having to get its residents to Axminster, Bridport or Lyme Regis by difficult roads before they could use the train.

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owen69 wrote: this concept is what the hobby needs,it brings it back down to earth,
like  Mike i have tended to look down on rtr scenery stuff but i think
it is self inflicted snobbery.



Looking down on the first Shake-the-Box layout ;-)

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Ian, a bit of hairspray and weathering pastels and it'll look fantastic.:doublethumb



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Gwiwer wrote: I see nothing wrong at all with a simple layout "out of the box" as it can be a stepping stone and a learning stage on the way to bigger things. The total spend on Charmouth looks to be within a reasonable range so that the prospective modeller isn't put off by seeing thousands of pounds-worth of kit and making assumptions about how much they will need to even get started.

And on a purely personal note I always felt the real Charmouth somehow missed out on the railway scene, having to get its residents to Axminster, Bridport or Lyme Regis by difficult roads before they could use the train.

Exactly - this sort of project is designed to show people that they can do it.

I haven't totted up the cost of Charmouth yet, but the first layout came in around £750, but that included three different eras of rolling stock. For a single era it would have been around £500.

And yes, Charmouth did miss out - making it an ideal candidate.

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Gwiwer wrote:
And on a purely personal note I always felt the real Charmouth somehow missed out on the railway scene, having to get its residents to Axminster, Bridport or Lyme Regis by difficult roads before they could use the train.


And on another personal note I was actually at Charmouth yesterday as I'm thinking of buying a static caravan there - and I used to live in both Bridport and Lyme Regis!:cool:  (I went there too yesterday).

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Ian, This is just what people need to see i.e.bridging the gap between their first train set and the superb layouts on show at exhibitions. I can think of little that will give more encouragement.

Incidentally what is the building behind the MMB tank at the dairy; it looks like the side of a Craftsman Engine Shed put to a different purpose.

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Les wrote: Incidentally what is the building behind the MMB tank at the dairy; it looks like the side of a Craftsman Engine Shed put to a different purpose.
It's a Bachmann Scenecraft Northlight Factory. The newer building to the side is a Hornby Skaledale Factory

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Thanks Ian. Hope you didn't mind the question I wasnt trying to be facetious, I just wondered if Ratio/Wills had gone into the ready made business. It wouldn't surprise me.

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Hmm, that would be nice wouldn't it.

All questions welcome.

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A very interesting thread,this is Ian. I think the scenery you've shown so far looks really good too.Its going to be just as interesting to follow whatever skill/experience level of modeller reads it too.Great stuff!!!

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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Your shake the box layout is very good Ian it shows people without any heavy modelling experiance thay can build a lovely looking layout purely buying RTR items.

Now as a natural progression if they used your shake the box theme there would come a point where the person would think perhaps i could make a kit to fit there or perhaps i could build my own building scratchbuilding so really with what you are doing you are gently easing the person into the modelling enviroment .

As with many things people just need to be given the confidence to attempt things and with your layout it will help to build confidence if a person follows the way you are showing

cheers Brian

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Very clever idea Ian :thumbs

As this project is mainly aimed at the new people to our hobby, does the DVD start with the building of the baseboard and takes them though each stage ?

I haven't taken much notice of the ready to use buildings that are available to purchase, but I do like the look of the signal box, whose make is that, and also is it DC or DCC, as I am sure that it's the wiring that frightens a lot of people, have you or are your going to explain that as well.

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Brian - yes, part of the idea is that once someone has actually built a layout they will have acquired some skills and confidence and can then go on to greater things.

Alan & Pete - Baseboard building will be covered as a voice over on a sequence of photos - it wasn't possible to film it 'live' due to time constraints. Baseboards can be purchased ready-to-use too, so there is an opt out.

The signal box is from Hornby's Skaledale range.

The first STB was DC (starting from a Bachmann train set), this one is DCC (using DCC on-board locos) but on a layout this size it is a simple conversion from one to the other. Swap the locos, swap the controller and Robert is one of your parents' siblings.

Wiring of the 'one side red, other side black and make sure that wherever it is the loco can see a feed' level is described. No motorised points, section switches or cab control here.

Going completely off tack - there is a new wiring book on the way to join the other tomes, starting from first principles.

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