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This Highland Railway Small Ben was bought from ebay part finished.....its a sorry state and looks like a train wreck (it looks like it crashed into a vat of glue and rolled over - just check out the underside of the boiler/footplate and the coal rails!)...i dont intend starting this until I finish the D1. It is evident that original owner just wanted a running model and ran it without the coupling rods (I know from bitter experience how frustrating getting the coupling rods right that can be!)

Any thoughts on how to remove the glue (I think its epoxy resin?) - heat is not an option given that it is whitemetal. I have seen recommendations as to Nitromors...any other ideas as to how to disassemble?

















 

 

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Sh"t Darren thats in a state a real challenge there

Nitromors is worth a try it may loosen it enough for you to scrape or prise it off you may be able to remove some of it with a dremel tool if you have one a small stone may well get into some of the tighter areas and remove the blobs allowing you to cut or scrape the rest with the aid of nitromors

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It turns out that I already have the solvent to hand! : after some research I discovered that MEK (methyl ethyl ketone) is apparently even better than another alternative (acetone)

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I couldnt resist trying out my pro-weld on the steps to see if it would help removal - it works!! The glue goes all rubbery and can be cleaned off...no more now till the weekend...




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Another neat tip... and another build to look forward to.
Nice one Darren.

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OMG Darren

You really do have your hands full with this one, it will be really interesting watching you restore this loco :thumbs

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This looks in such a state (it could be one of my efforts:lol:) I do hope you can rescue it from its present  prediciment!

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:wowI'm going to watch this with fascination, Darren. Cor, what a challenge:exclam :wow

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The dismantling continues...(the sad thing is that its evident that the original castings are lovely and sharp but are no longer where where they have been bodged...)


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And continues............................................................;-)

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I've got every confidence in your ability to turn this into a superb little loco.Added to your other kit-built one,you've got the beginnings of something really special.You'll value those 2 so much more because of the time and effort you're investing in them also.
   Its also great to let us monkeys see how its all done!!!:lol::lol::lol:

Watching with interest,:shock:
 
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Well after a further year, I am now restarting this. Need to continue dismantling though. I thought i could salvage the tender as is but it also does need dismantling.



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After some further attempts at disassembling the tender with MekPak I decided to take the "plünge"and try boiling water (as my Nitomors was left behind in the UK in the move as that couldnt be shipped with our possessions)

The tender was placed on a shallow sieve and suspended in boiling water, after careful checking every 1 minute or so and after 5-10 minutes I pulled it out and the tender literally fell apart!




 

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I cooked a chicken like that once.  :mutley

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Stick with it, Darren.

(or rather unstick).

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After clean up with a scalpel with a chisel blade and a fibreglass brush, this is now ready to restart construction. I just realised that i started dismantling this TWO YEARS AGO (the time has gone at lightning speed)!



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From the pile of scrap you started with, you now have a set of components that should go together nicely. :thumbs

I admire your tenacity in getting it all stripped down. The rest of the job shouldn't take as long.......

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It's amazing what comes out in the wash ....................:lol::lol:

From those early pictures to what you now have Darren, is all down to your tenacity.  I presume it was cheap when you bought it so that's another plus. :thumbs

Looking forward to seeing how you progress with it.

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Tender has been tacked together with solder, some final adjustments and final soldering to do. Thereafter all th attachhments such as toolboxes, filler caps and handrails to do.






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It looks a bit better than the last time it was in that form Darren. :thumbs

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This is going to be compulsive viewing!It'll be nice to see this one alongside the other loco you've just built once they're both completed.Good on yer Darren!!!

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Finshed all the attachments aside from the handrails (temporarily in position) Tried salvaging the whitemetal coal rails but had to admit defeat and will either need to fabricate one or purloin a set (in brass as whitemetal is really not suited to this type of detail)



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It looks a lot better now Darren.  I know you have not finished yet ,but it bodes well for the loco.  :thumbs

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I ended up scratchbuilding the coal rails from some scrap brass as it was evident that etchings are not readily available. Shown installed here but loads of clean up to do.





 

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Just compare that last shot of the tender with the one in post number1 and you can really see the difference,so much crisper and neater! I know I keep wittering on about how good its looking and how impatient I am to see you finish it,but I am!! We all have forgotten projects hiding away that we promise ourselves we'll finish "one day".Full marks to you for resurrecting this one.
 Cracking work Darren.Your loco building threads are proving to be extremely addictive!
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This thread is really interesting and highly imformative, I'm enjoying it enormously.  Nice one Darren and thanks for posting it :thumbs

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The boiler halves are in pretty poor shape - covered in glue, gouges and the space for the motor hacked out. With some vigorous cleaning with scalpelo blade, fibreglass brush and wire fleece, at least the gunk has been removed and it looks a little better.









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when i had started the initial disassembly nearly two years ago I stopped at the smokebox and chassis connection as the solvent wasnt shifting it. Again this evening with a pan of boiling water and a sieve I was able to disassemble after about 5-8 minutes of immersion of the items (being carful not to touch the bottom of the pan!) before and after pix below :







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Solder together the Boiler halves, smoke box, front boiler tube plate, chimney and dome. 







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You're making a neat job of it, Darren.  :thumbs  It's impressive is that the ends of the boiler tubes have been drilled when they will probably never be seen.

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MaxSouthOz wrote: You're making a neat job of it, Darren.  :thumbs  It's impressive is that the ends of the boiler tubes have been drilled when they will probably never be seen.
Thanks Max, this loco kit differs in that the smokebox door is designed to be openable so that you can see inside. 

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Well its a public holiday here today in Singapore so i thought I would take the opportunity to replace the hinges for the smoke box door (originally split pins) with small handrail knobs and an old fine drill cut to length for the hinge shaft. I couldnt however find the smnokebox dart but after sitting down and methodically working through the parts I found it last clumped up with some more epoxy resin lumps. Pic shows smokebox/wingplate temporarily in position against boiler with door in open position.




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Superb modelling Darren. :thumbs

You must have very steady hands to tackle a model like this .................

How do you cut an old file down ?  I thought that material was virtually impossible to cut (although I've never tried but I have broken my fair share in my lifetime !!)  :roll::roll:

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I'd use an angle grinder, Peter - but then I'm pretty rough.  :chicken

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Petermac wrote: Superb modelling Darren. :thumbs

You must have very steady hands to tackle a model like this .................

How do you cut an old file down ?  I thought that material was virtually impossible to cut (although I've never tried but I have broken my fair share in my lifetime !!)  :roll::roll:

Petermac it was an old drill....not a file...i cut it with Xuron cutters

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Darren, did the Xuron cutters suffer from cutting the Drill? Most of the time, cutting that type of metal leaves in a hole in the edge! I know that from accidentally cutting hard , thin wire.

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Sol wrote: Darren, did the Xuron cutters suffer from cutting the Drill? Most of the time, cutting that type of metal leaves in a hole in the edge! I know that from accidentally cutting hard , thin wire.

Ron, no it didnt seem to as the diameter of the drill was only a 0.5mm (I usually snap them in normal use...), I do however have 2 pairs of the cutters, one for extreme challenges (the older of the two with blades that look like a side elevation of the himalayas) and the other for normal use (the newer pair)

 

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Sorry Darren - I should remember to read what's written, not what I "think" was written !!  I realise it was a file and therefore, no real problem - particularly at that diameter.

Max, I'm also a dab hand with an angle grinder - have you looked at how I removed the moulded handrails in the "May Project" thread ? :roll::roll::roll::cheers

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I did, Peter.  You have the hands of a surgeon.  :thumbs

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I think you missed the "T" out of surgeon Max...............................:mutley:mutley:cheers

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The new axles arrived from Markits last night so i could make a start on the chassis.

The chassis is a solid block and the motor ECM? After fitting the coupling rods I could see why this model was given up on. The tolerances were too tight and it kept locking up. After a lot of finessing this now runs fine, picture below shows  running on the bench



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Front bogie was damaged and needed dismantling/rebuilding - final pic shows mock up of footplate with chassis/front bogie












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Darren,
          Quite apart from your excellent loco building skills,I really do have to admire your tenacity and 'never say die attitude' that you're showing with this rescue job.You will have a superb loco to be proud of as a reward for all your efforts though!
          Fascinating to follow your journey.
Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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A "before" and "after" on the fittings to the boiler backplate







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Some people just shouldn't be allowed to buy train kits.....I do admire this silk purse rising out of the original sow's ear  :thumbs


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After a lot of fettling (even after scrubbing and cleaning with fibreglass brush there were still stubborn traces of thin skins of epoxy that needed to removed with care with a scalpel blade) i have managed to put the basic cab superstructure together with solder










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Completed soldering boiler to cab superstructure and patched up holes where the previous builder hacked too much from the boiler.

Picture shows temporary fitup to footplate, smokebox door and chassis.



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It's quite amazing watching this transformation Darren.

You must have a huge amount of patience but the end result will be spectacular.  Even now, looking at the first shots and now this latest one, you've done a massive amount of work and to a very high standard.

Now - about my Ivatt Class 2 ............................:roll::roll::roll:

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Petermac thanks for the encouragement. Unfortunately the day job keeps me away from this activity far too much. I find it very therapeutic and it is very nice to do something to suit my timeline and no-one elses for a change!

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Darren,

Was any member of this class named 'Phoenix'?  If so, this one seems to deserve it! :thumbs


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dooferdog wrote: Darren,

Was any member of this class named 'Phoenix'?  If so, this one seems to deserve it! :thumbs


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Darren,
It continues to look very very promising indeed!! I really am impatient to see how this loco will turn out.Its a bit like tuning in regularly to a favourite TV programme.......mouthwatering stuff mate!
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Finished soldering the chassis underside and a number of attachments




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Have been travelling far too much of late and no time for railway models, but at long last this weekend managed to steal some time to do the following

1. Install handrails

2. Install whistle and injector steam pipes

3. Reposition dome and blende in further

4. Complete smokebox door hinge

5. Bored out the internal of the chimney

(and repaired the steps three times after bending them/knocking them off (and thats using a foam cradle!)

 

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She's looking beautiful.How lucky that loco is that you came along and rescued her!!
I'm torn between wanting to see her finished and hoping that the thread won't end.It's all very,very inspiring.I've got an ex-Midland 3F kit in OO gauge to tackle "one day",and your adventures in kitbuilding are making me want to get started....even though I've got no other OO stuff!

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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georgejacksongenius wrote: She's looking beautiful.How lucky that loco is that you came along and rescued her!!
I'm torn between wanting to see her finished and hoping that the thread won't end.It's all very,very inspiring.I've got an ex-Midland 3F kit in OO gauge to tackle "one day",and your adventures in kitbuilding are making me want to get started....even though I've got no other OO stuff!

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs


John, this kit building thing is a bit, er, like looking at a film starlet and thinking, 'Phwoar...I couldn' half.....' etc etc!

As an 'OO' modeller, I'd love to do an 7mm open PO wagon but like SWMBO says when I look at some younger bit of stuff on the television and make some [in]appropriate remark 'If you caught up with her, you'll not know what to do with her!'

In 7mm I'm more confident I could manage all the 'gubbins' underneath.......Thinking on, a few 7mm PO wagons in a nice case on the wall would make a nice decorative touch......


"Shelagh, I've had a thrilling idea!" "No! It doesn't include Kylie Minogue......."


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Not been on for a while. I have been getting the pickups set-up over the weekend. Motor is running sweetly. A lot of carving of innards from the body to get final clearances. Need to cut the overlength from the pickups. I need to reinstall the back step after breaking it of again..


I have also rebuilt the coal rails and installed all handrails.










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Lovely.
Very good work indeed.

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That pickup wire looks pretty hefty Darren - or is it just the photo that makes it look like that ?

It really is looking the business and I take my hat off to you for having such patience and perseverance. :cheers:cheers

It will all pay off in the end.


                 

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