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 Posted: Wed Apr 29th, 2009 10:16 pm
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To be fair to the diesels, while there were definitely some that "only a mother could love", there were some good looking ones too, in particular, the Westerns and Hymeks - I rate the Westerns as the best looking diesels ever. Class 21 and 22 were pretty ugly with their sad-eye cab windscreens and chopped off noses. Co-Bo class 28s had some superb finishing on the real ones, but really ugly styling and very strange detail work - it is only a matter of time before someone does a RTR model (besides the old Hornby-Dublo one).

Even with steam, there were ugly ones (eg Mucky Ducks!) and handsome ones (eg King Arthurs). The ugly ones make superb models but there was a class of 0-6-4 tanks around the Liverpool docks that would make some of the ugliest models ever if anyone was to try modelling them. they had small driving wheels, outside frames, and lots of rivets that would have done credit to a battleship, plus cabs that had been extended later and looked like it.

The point I'm making is that both steam and diesel have their good and bad characteristics according to the class involved and the viewers personal tastes. I like both steam and diesel, and both have a place on my layout.



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Ok i have my view point, i have gone for diesels due to the size and type of layout i have. As its mainly a shunting layout, abliet with a loop in the middle i thought the diesols was the way to go and i just love the 08 shunters. The sound to me anyhow is more real and i just love the way they start up andd gradually build up power and then off they go, oh bliss.

Now this may sound strange but when i started on here a few years back i always took the mick out of Jeff,s GWR but then i started to research GWR to see what was the big issue and as Jeff said, if GWR still existed they would be the forefront in diesel's. For some reason GWR always pioneered the first of everything and the more i researched the more i found i was falling in love with some of the steam loco's but as i say my layout is too small for them so i am a diesel man and i do not think GWR could match my favourite loco the 08 shunter. If i ever re built my layout in the future then i would, no not saying anything :roll:. As Tim said as well, the cost is a issue as well, steam i find is dearer than diesel.

In real life i much prefer steam due to noise, smell etc. They do talk to you and they all talk different as well, its true you listen to one when you next see one.

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Phill, you could use the GWR pannier like it is shown in your birthday present thread. About the same size as an 08.

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 Or you could repaint an 08 into GWR colours:doublethumb



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Yes i may think on it, mindue i dont want anyone thinking i have turned to GWR :roll:

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phill wrote: Yes i may think on it, mindue i dont want anyone thinking i have turned to GWR :roll:

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Bear in mind Phill that funny things happen in the mind as one gets older - and as it's your birthday today.....................................;-):lol:

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steam every time for me. Deisels# dirty smelly ugly brutes, theres no romance in them!!

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mikeyh wrote: steam every time for me. Deisels# dirty smelly ugly brutes, theres no romance in them!!

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Romance in a diesel, :hmm............................................... That make's you think :mutley

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I agree with what Chris said.  It's down to personal peference.

I usually prefer steam, especially big steamers like Big Boy Y6b, AD60 or BR06 but have a few electric and diesels too.  They all get run.

My most recent purchase was a diesel (a green one) and am very happy with it.



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Diesels and electrics for me as this is what I grew up with. Mainline steam ended a few weeks after I was born. However I was talking with the mrs recently on this and although she is'nt a rail enthusiast she prefers steam to diesel. I have to say that I love the smell of the steam locos but if I had to choose my favourt would be the west coast electrics. Well with a few shares in ETL im a bit biased! :twisted:

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I came across this thread while searching for something entirely different (as you do) and wondered if any members who posted have changed their mind in the intervening seven years.


Also thought it might be interesting for newer members to express a view.

In my case initially, it was definitely the better running of Diesel Models in the rather dirty garage environment where I have my attempt at a layout that made me change.

However having now developed an interest in AC locomotives as well, I'm finding it all rather interesting.

After all, Rail Blue was a very long time ago :mutley



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When I were a lad in 1950s and 1960s a pair of my favorite books from the library were unusual railways. In subsequent years I have been a sort of collector of second hand books. Generally of a technical nature and for the content rather than condition. Generally these are on trains, planes and motorbikes although not exclusively.

When it came to trains the quantity available was overwhelming so I ended up specialising. In the main I went for electric trains and in the process discovered a rich historical trail. In terms of railway traction the US started well, and then went in reverse!! Clean electrics replaced by dirty diesels. In terms of books I found some extremely interesting tomes on electric traction.

In terms of railway modelling I discovered the old Hornby Dublo three rail track and decided that electric trains needed three rail track. A lot easier than string overhead wires. As off shoots from electgric trains i discovered trams and urban railways. Both interesting in a historical and current context. Discovering details on the defunct Liverpool overhead electric system was possibly my best discovery.

So as far as I am concerned I prefer trains where the combustion takes place at the end of a wire, rather than on the train.

I am not an extremist though and still enjoy all other forms of locomotion. My favourite diesel rail cars are the four wheelers!

Subsequently acquired old tattered copies of Unusual Railways for myself. So I will add that I am also a monorail fan.

For those in the know about motorcycling I maintain the minority thread there by riding an MZ.

One of these days I might even specialise!!

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Has to be steam, I model Southern railway mid 1930s, Maunsell did play with diesel shunters towards the end, but they didn't get anywhere near my neck of the woods. As for that western lot, their locos are boring, all the 4-6-0s look the same,  tank locos 2 options either panniers or prairies, give me variety any day. Plus they're the wrong colour green!

(Thinks, have I opened another can of worms?)



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Dorsetmike wrote: Plus they're the wrong colour green!


Yup, if you're going to have steam locos (kettles), they need to be Apple Green (or Garter Blue) :lol:


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Ed wrote: Dorsetmike wrote: Plus they're the wrong colour green!


Yup, if you're going to have steam locos (kettles), they need to be Apple Green (or Garter Blue) :lol:


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In 12" to the foot, I'm still very much a steam man.  They all had "character" and it was an art driving them to obtain peak performance.  The designs were many varied, the smell was fantastic and, to us as "lads" they were huge snorting dragons.  As a "northerner", I can only really comment on LMS and LNER - long distance, powerful locos as well as the ubiquitous "shunters" and smaller goods/local passenger locos.  All oozed power and the express locos had flowing sleek lines.  A real art form.

GWR had shiney "bling" things on top to disguise the fact that they were crap and Southern used an insipid pea green colour although I did quite like the Battle of Britain class. As for the "Q1" Class - nuff said !!!

In model form, it's a different story.  Diesels are, with the exception of DMU's, just characterless boxes on wheels and, if you fill that box with weights and a big motor, then their hauling power is much improved.  It's a pity but that's life. 

Having said that, there really is no excuse for that dreadful blue with big "coming and going" arrows - in model or lifesize form !!  Typical of BR in those days, they didn't know their fronts from their backsides.

Heads down lads ......................:pedal:mutley:mutley:mutley



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I might have to close this thread if you all don't vote for GWR.:pedal



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During the 1930s before you LNER types sent OVSB  south we had a pleasant dark olive green, the horrible shade you refer to, which I wont name here cos I always mis-spell it with an s near the middle, was all Bulleid's fault, along with his 'orrible locos, that's why I don't model later than 1937.



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I whet my appetite for steam back in 1946 when we had Exmouth Junction sheds at the bottom of the garden. Mother always knew where to find me, glued to the fence. A subsequent move to St. Thomas's in Exeter and my bedroom looked out onto the run in to the station and to my 5 year old eyes the Great Western locos with their brass did it for me so I switched allegiance. Have been a staunch GWR fan ever since. Although we lived on the Notts/Derby borders for about 16 years when I finally settled down most was Diesel by then but I got involved with the Keighley & Worth Valley and also the Midland Railway Centre and started to take a look and interest in some of the ER and LMR Region stuff as well. Now I am back in God's Wonderful Country and am back on the GWR tack again. As for modelling them, then Kettles, from any of the big four will do, diesels taking a second place, although my collection does include both. The stuff I find hard to take a liking too is the ubiquitous Class 150/153/143/43 and Voyagers that we see every day. A freight engine is rare down here now which does break up the boring monotony sometimes, although seeing one is often very difficult.



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Spurno wrote: I might have to close this thread if you all don't vote for GWR.:pedal

Spoil sport :tongue


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