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 Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 11:12 pm
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having looked at the cost of LGB stock it seems they are quite expensive. So I purchased a pair of bogies and came up with this



 


Which doesnt look big without a point of reference



 

The underside




The picture quality is poor, will take some better ones tomorrow, Im taking it to my local model shop (Big LGB dealers) for opinions and also to get some pictures sat on some track

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 Posted: Tue Apr 7th, 2009 11:25 pm
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looks good john and maybe with transfers and light weathering?



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Thanks for the imput Reg,

As suggested I got the transfers but I cant decide about weathering,

Im told by my local shop who is big in LGB, that bright colourfull, shinny stock is popular with his customers.  So I may offer weathering as an option rather than standard feature.



Any way as promised last night here are some better pictures







And the next model (minus wheel sets)





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 Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 10:12 pm
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Sorry John ,couldn't grasp that last post ,is there a bit missing from the text?



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 Posted: Wed Apr 8th, 2009 10:27 pm
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Edited for clarity Reg !

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aah all is now clear john. good luck with this.



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i know that shop well, i am officially banned (swmbo said so)

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have you thought about making a mould for the underframe? then casting each one in resin. would save time and money and the underframe would be a complete piece and stronger.

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Matt wrote: have you thought about making a mould for the underframe? then casting each one in resin. would save time and money and the underframe would be a complete piece and stronger.


It has crossed my mind but I havent investigated the cost of resins yet, at the moment I can make one from a £1 sheet of plasticard in 30mins so unless I got quite a few orders Im not sure it would be cost effective ??

 

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Some better shots of the latest wagon, with wheels now.







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Whatever shop that is has a few bobs worth of garden railways there John!  Are they promoting your wagons for you?  I know that people think garden railways have gone mega expensive so you may be on to something here.

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Christrerise wrote: Whatever shop that is has a few bobs worth of garden railways there John!  Are they promoting your wagons for you?  I know that people think garden railways have gone mega expensive so you may be on to something here.


Its my local "Arcadia" hence the wagon name ! He has the two wagons on display for me and has, as can be seen, let me use track ect to take photos. He has a big customer base for LGB and Aristocraft, and is taking orders for me (should there be any) as a favour. It seems to be all the LGB stuff is expensive and its one of the few areas that I could hand make for less than RTR and still make some return.

The idea is to make the wagons robust for the outdoor enviroment so not too many time consuming details. Much of the LGB stuff has the details printed on as part of large decal sheets rather than sticky out break off bits.

As well as the LGB stuff being expensive with them being in financial difficulty to say the least it is getting harder to get then factor in the exchange rate and hopefully RJR wagons do have some potential. Time will tell still waiting for my first order ! Mind you the first one was only an idea 4 days ago !!!

I guess there is not a lot in it for him other than making a a good customer (me) happy, a chance to sell his box of dust wheels and bogies (again to me) and something a bit different that might encourage his customers into a spending feel.

The wagons are also  on my website and can be seen anywhere else that will have them!


 

I didnt dare ask how much the 2-8-8-2 in the box behind was ! I just made sure i didnt slide it to far to the edge of the table !!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I'd always thought LGB stuff to be a bit "toy- like" John - your explanation about bright colours would justify this.  The price is another problem - not only the problems the company has but weak sterling has pushed prices way up (I believe it's marketed in Euros).

With that in mind, what sort of retail price would your curtain-sider and pipe wagon go for and, whilst they're unique, how would that compare with an LGB bogie wagon ?



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The advice I have been given by my local model shop is to pitch at £75 to start with. LGB for similar sizes is £95 upwards although it can be got cheaper on ebay

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One of the reasons LGB seem to be in trouble is they are so expensive for what are really just toys.  Aristocraft and Bachmann are much better and cheaper and we sell far more of these than LGB as a result.  Unfortunately LGB had it to themselves for a long time and have been very slow to recognise they don't have it all their own way anymore!

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Christrerise wrote: One of the reasons LGB seem to be in trouble is they are so expensive for what are really just toys.  Aristocraft and Bachmann are much better and cheaper and we sell far more of these than LGB as a result.  Unfortunately LGB had it to themselves for a long time and have been very slow to recognise they don't have it all their own way anymore!

A bit like the French wine growers Chris :roll::roll::roll::cheers



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Oh, didn't realise they made garden railways as well? :pathead

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Yes Chris they do it is a special product they do if you drink n excessive amount of their wine you start seeing the orient express blue pullmans stephensons rocket and allsorts running around your garden.:lol::lol::lol:

cheers Brian

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Its all relative isnt it? I personally wouldnt pay 150 pounds for an OO model which is out of scale (they all are, HO is more accurate)
Getting back on thread I notice John that you have set the bogie at the extreme end of the container. While this may be prototypically correct it has the effect of lengthening the gap between loco and wagon which a lot of modellers may not go for,

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mikeyh wrote: Its all relative isnt it? I personally wouldnt pay 150 pounds for an OO model which is out of scale (they all are, HO is more accurate)
Getting back on thread I notice John that you have set the bogie at the extreme end of the container. While this may be prototypically correct it has the effect of lengthening the gap between loco and wagon which a lot of modellers may not go for,

Mikey

My reasoning wasnt due to proto, more a suggestion that a fair few G scalers have to use quite tight corners (relativley speaking) if you mix tight corners with wide bodies and close coupling there is a chance of them not getting round ???

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