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Right rather that clog up any of my other threads I thought it would be better to keep work on the buildings project seperate. Here I can discuss any ideas and sugestions for the buildings and accessories that im planning to build. The first model on the drawing board will be the station building. After building the card version for Potters lane I have worked out how to produce the same building in resin using normal resin for the internal walls and clear resin for the outside. Basicly once I have the masters made I can then pour the molds to demand so im not wasting stuff. As the buildings have distintive windows I thought that clear resin would be the way to go as all the glazing bars and doors can be molded with the walls. Various buildings will be offered using the same basic construction so for instance the basic one would be like Potters lane without the extension. This uses four internal walls whilst a slightly bigger one would use five. The internal walls comprise of three types, plain, ticket office with window and door and waiting room with double doors. The building can be fitted with an extension either on the left or right with an open shelter/bike shed or like the prototype at Kidsgrove a bike shed and station entrance. Talking of the prototype I found out the other night that the prototype of the signal box has recently been demolished as part of the WCML upgrade. Once I have the station buildings in production I will move onto the signal box. Again this will be broken down into componant parts so that the boxes can be produced in diffrent sizes. I have various ideas for accessories ranging from vending machines to phone boxes. Where possable they will be lit using leds and will be configured to work off a standard 12v supply. Having disscused with the 'boss' last night I have the green light to order the stuff for the molds so that will be getting done today. If I can get some wills brick sheet at Shildon tomorrow work can then start on the masters so pics as and when for the all important feedback. Once im happy with the masters production will start with the first building destined for the garden railway to replace the hornby one the has a big hole in it!!:roll: 

Just as a footnote im also thinking of converting PC power supplies for model railway use. As discussed elseware they have three realy usefull output voltages of 3.3v, 5v and 12v so are ideal for powering lighting, signals, etc. There are two ways I could do this one is to source new PSUs although they are about £20 a pop or I could just do the conversions with the customer supplying the donar uint. There is also the more risker route of getting a supply of recycled ones from old PCs and refurbing them. With the new WEE regs getting rid of old electrical stuff is getting harder so im sure that there would be a supply of PSUs if I look in the right places. ;-)

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The stuffs been ordered now so hopefully it will turn up on Tuesday as Rachel will be off work celebrating our wedding anniversery (I have to work!) and will be in to sign for the delivery. :roll: ;-)

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Sounds like things are starting to move along nicely Dave :thumbs

You've got a lot of plus points in your plans - I like the internal wall units idea for your buildings.  A few standard units used in different configurations to give a range of options.  Keeps costs to a minimum and yet gives you loads of versatility - good one.

I also like the idea of using your electronic skills to modify redundant computer bits.  Electronics baffle many of us but we know they have a real value in model railways.  I've lost count of the number of times I've wished I could do something if only I knew how and yet knowing that the learning is just not something I want to do !!  Far better to let the professionals do it for me and I just buy their expertise.  The only word of caution is the possibility that new computer sales seem to be slowing with the crunch.  That would suggest that donor machines for you are also going to become more scarce. :roll:

Happy anniversary for Tuesday - sorry you've got to work but at least you've got the use of the pink and purple bits !!!  :cheers:cheers:cheers

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Hi Dave

i would look into legal stuff regarding the power supplies, if one does go up in smoke under someone’s layout how do you stand legally. i know a lad who works at the skip and they cannot give anything away. if they give a Hoover away and it blows up they are liable. he said people do come in just to get something on them.

 

One problem i found with the walls I made is the mould bending due to the heat during the setting stage. I would use the foam board you have to make a base, lay the mould on top and then use a second board with a window in and place this over the mould and secure with bolts and wing nuts making a clamp over the mould. This will prevent the mould bending. Also take into account when making the silicone mould the depth of the mould, as the deeper the mould the more resin you will need to use. I think it recommends 5mm around the master when you cast the silicone but you will get away with 2mm. if you do use a base\clamp and are producing a few moulds think of a way of vibrating the mould during casting and this will prevent air pockets forming, one of those cheap back massages would be ideal for this and SWMBO can use it when you don’t. When pouring the resin only pour 60% and then use a brush to ensure you get resin into all the knocks and cranny’s and then add the rest. Fill the mould with water so you know the amount you will use and this will cut down on wastage. Have a couple of moulds made up odf bits and bobs like bins, aws ramps etc. you can use the resin you have left to stick in these moulds, a little resin will go a long way.  

 

something like this turned upside down then the base placed on the balls.

 

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Good point about the legal side Matt. :thumbs:thumbs  I'd forgotten UK has become the kind of society where if you cut yourself shaving, you'd probably sue the manufacturer of the razor blade for selling a dangerous weapon without a warning in 100 languages stating that the edge is sharp and could cut !!!!

Thinking about it, as I'm bald, maybe I could sue the manufacturer of the hairbrush I used years ago !!!!

This "no win - no fee" insurance scam society is one of the reasons I left UK.  I was a pyrotechnician so you can imagine how many doors that opened for the greedy scroungers !!!  In 5 years, our annual public liability insurance premiums went up from £4,500 to over £12,000 !!!!!  It was getting to the point where we worked for the government for the first 5 months of the year and the insurance companies for the next 5.  If I was lucky, the remaining 2 months paid overheads and wages,  bought the fireworks from mainly Spain and the Far East and occasionally, left me a bit of profit !!!

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My god Petermac! by looking at your avatar i really had you down as an accountant or a solicitor! but a Pyrotechnician!! that must have been an interesting job!

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 Sounds like a posh word for an Arsonist to me, whats your nickname Peter, "Moxie" ???:mutley:mutley

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carefull Kevr you never know where he might shove one >?
with a short fuse!!

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After speaking to him i would never of guessed that either, he sounds posh folks. Maybe where he lives in France he has to show how better the English are :thumbs

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Mikeyh - if you thought my avatar suggested an accountant or solicitor - I wonder what your's suggests !!!! :roll::roll::roll:  In answer to your question re the job, I can certainly admit that there were not too many dull moments in it !!!!!

Kevr - the word "technician" was often substituted by the word "maniac" - I like to think the former more accurately describes what I did but very often, it felt like the latter :hmm:hmm

Phill - we don't need to show the French how good we are, they already know it.  A french friend who'd just visited UK for the first time, asked me if we had a problem with the french.  No, said I, why do you ask.  Well he said, I spent a couple of days sight-seeing in London and you have a "Trafalgar Square", a "Waterloo Station".  :pedal:pedal:pedal:pedal

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Yeah but my Avatar shows a policeman, and thats what i was for 25 years!

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We all have our cross to bear Mikey !!!!

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A big box of stuff arrived yesterday so work will start this weekend on making the molds for the buildings. :roll: ;-)

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Started work tonight on the masters for the station buildings......









So far I have one wall finished with the windows to add to the other wall. As the stuff for the molds has cost a small fortune I am planing to make one mold with all the outside walls on it. All the internal walls and roof will be on a seperate mold. Hopefully this will make future reproduction easer. ;-)

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Looks good Dave but it's posed a couple of questions. :???:

What are the gaps between the windows above the plain white band ? and secondly, IMHO you ought not to make your mould too big !!

I note you say you're going to make one mould for all the outside walls.  This could be the very devil to keep flat.  Matt did some moulds for stone walling and I seem to remember he had a few problems so I'd check with him before you pour your expensive materials down the drain. :roll::roll::roll:  My personal feeling is that smaller castings would be easier to do and have less rejects - but then who am I to say.................:oops::oops:

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you are right, my wall moulds are 12cm by 10cm and they still bend with the heat from the resin.

i would make a separate mould for each wall section. another advantage of this is if 1 piece of walling does not turn out you can just cast that section rather than mess about sectioning a larger mould. the resin is only workable before thickening, if you mix smaller amounts for smaller moulds then the the odd mistake now and then won't matter. make a couple of mistakes with a larger mould then the cost will go up. i did post some tips in the 4th post on this thread about air bubbles and solving the problem with mould bending. (that was before the crazy bunch started chucking handbags at each other)

 

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Peter. The holes at the top are where the concrete roof supports stick through.

Matt did you use a wooden frame with your molds?

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Dave never cast models but several years in a patternmaking/foundry enviroment taught me a few lessons. Please dont take this as critisism its intended to save you some time. On post 15 the last picture close up on the doors, a couple of your frames are not quite square but more obvious the edges have a burr where the knife cut curls the plasic up as it scores. In a one off this is a quick fix, If you dont tidy it now you will have to tidy it on every casting!

From experience taking a mould of a pattern
a) highlights any imperfections
b) looses some clarity and quality

then when you cast out of the mould you
a) highlights any imperfections
b) looses some clarity and quality

10mins to clean up now, if you make 20 castings thats 200mins to clean up later.

Also make sure you have NO undercuts if anything you should include a little moulding taper or you will quickly damage even a flexible mould.

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i used foam board but you can use anything that won't leak. i have heard the best thing to use is lego as this can be dismantled very easily when the silicone sets. i have also heard of people using clay or plastercine even that kids playdo stuff. the important thing is the master in the centre of the mould.

John brought up a good point about the master, if you are selling these you need to be spot on. you will always get the grumpy old git complaining that his window is 0.5mm out. what you can do is send a couple of members digital pictures for us to look at and pick up any imperfections. you can spend an age looking at a pick and not notice a problem, give that pic to another person and they say straight  away that a post or window is wonkey. if you want i will pm my email and you can send some pics.

 

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Thanks guys for the feedback thats why I decided to post all the progress here. I need to get the masters spot on as I dont want any problems later! So far I have done the front, back and end wall + one internal wall. For the mold I have an old kitchin cupboard door with a jig made up using 2x1 timber. All the gaps round the edges have been filled with caulk as well as coating the wood. I have made the frame with a 10mm gap round the master. This job im doing at the moment is realy taking its toil as im coming home every night with headaches so my concentration is not at its best. Just been told that due to 'problems' we are off mon,tue so time to get the building masters sorted and the molds made. ;-)

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Heres a couple of pics taken last night....







 For the door on the end I found an old door off a hornby house. As for the main doors im not quite happy with the window frames so tomorrow im off to Darlington to get some evergreen strips and some milliput to fill the gaps round the edges. The brickwork however is spot on so thanks Jeff for the wills tip. Now that I have mon,tue off I can spend the time getting the masters finished so tonight I can do a bit more on the modules. BTW the building was assembled using blue tack!! ;-)

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Dave - I presume that's the master and not a casting !! :roll::roll::roll:

Looks good to me - I particularly like the odd brick protruding from the flush in photo 2 - that shows it's built by brickies and not machines !!!

Sorry the job seems to be causing problems - are you operating a machine or what ?  Just wondering what's causing the headaches - maybe it's the "pink and purple" bits from the bike ride !! :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Also - with Monday and Tuesday off on a temporary job - that doesn't look too good particularly in the spring when the grass is growing !!!!

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We are actualy being employed to rework 18000 lawn mowers that have faulty motors. Looks like the replacement motors are no good as well so back to work on wendsday when the replacements arrive. I am actualy at the packing end of the small line and my job is to put the grass box in the box and fit the switch assembly to the handle. This involves using an air operated screwdriver that is hung up from a sprung pully. My right fore arm is aching from pulling down on the spring and my legs hurt from the bike and standing all day. The pain in my arm is also effecting my modeling. I think the headaches are from lack of light, dusty boxes and having to work next to the radio that is tuned into crap fm!!I will get payed for mon/tue as this has been taken from my holiday entitlement but as im only there a couple of months its not much of a problem. Also if I leave in the next couple of weeks before I have accumilated and hols then the company looses!! :twisted: 

All the stuff we have done over the past week will have to be redone again so thats an extra weeks work.

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One wonders how UK Limited has managed to survive this long (although I believe Flymo is an Electrolux Company :roll::roll:)

There you are Dave, re-fitting 18,000 faulty electric motors (so that's 36,000 crap motors in total !!), being laid off (but paid) for 2 days because the suppliers can't make an electric motor and you were only drafted in for a couple of months as "extras" to cover the cost of this debacle in the first place !!!!

A friend told me the tale of an order for 100 castings being placed with a Japanese drop forger.  The order stated a 5% fault tollerence.  Only 95 units arrived and the company asked where the other 5 units were.  Oh, replied the Japs, they are the 5% faulty ones you wanted, we're just making them now !!!!

What ever happened to the days when people had a pride in what they did and it was expected that an electric motor would at least work !!!!!

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Sign of the times I'm afraid Peter. The supplier has two factories one in Italy and one in the Chech republic so no prizes for guessing where the duff ones are from!

Ok trip to Stockton today resulted in me parting with £20! I got some more wills brick sheets and roof sections, a nice Victorian bridge + canal boat (for potters lane), plasticard, milliput and some evergreen strips. One thing that did catch my eye was a hornby 153 unit in regional railways livery. Deffo have to have one!! :thumbs

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Forgot to mention I also got one of those massage things that Matt was on about for £4. ;-)

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Yesterday I replaced all the entrance doors/window frames with some made from evergreen strip. The result is much better. Last night I made a start on the first two molds so by about 8pm tonight I will know if it has worked or not. :roll: Im a bit worried that I dont have enough silicon to make all the molds although I dont want to skimp on the stuff and end up with a mold that will only do about five casts. Ordering more silicone isn't the problem its the VAT and postage that shoots up the bill!! More later. ;-)

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First two molds have now been made they just need cleaning up a bit. Have to wait now untill the weekend before I can try them as the molds need to stand for three days first. Heres a couple of pics...





Once I know that the molds work ok I will then make the rest. ;-)

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Sucess!! The first two wall sections have come out very well so tomorrow I will make the rest of the molds. Pics later. ;-)

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Just a couple of pics. First a clear wall section....



With a bit of paint.....



Now that I have proved that the clear cast methord works last night I made the rest of the molds. My next task is to design the roof section as I want to incorprate the wiring for the lights. :thumbs

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Good result, Dave. Who'd've thunk you could do things like that?!

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Nice work Dave,
Looks the biz to me...

Done your Business Plan yet? Cash Flow, Profit and Loss projections, etc?

You're going to need it.

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Marty wrote: .......................................

Done your Business Plan yet? Cash Flow, Profit and Loss projections, etc?

You're going to need it.

Got your overdraft organised ?  They tell me interest rates in UK are rock bottom at the moment !!

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The molds dont use a relise agent but the walls were still tacky after a couple of days. I need to reread the instructions to find out how to get round this. They were painted with acrylics the plan is to seal the finished building with some matt varnish.

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Looks like the first set of mouldings are a sucess Dave

Are you going to be selling all the wiring as well :question

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Not sure yet Alan. I will be designing the roof so that the wiring is embedded into the resin then the lighting can then be fitted as required. The main factor is cost of the leds as Potters lane uses 10. So if I can get the leds for say 20p each then that would only be an extra £2 however if they are a £1 each then and extra £10 is a bit steep! The clear casting works well and I only used an egg cup full of resin to make the two walls so hopefully the whole building shouldn't cost much for materials. Im still not sure on a price for the finished buildings but having priced scenecraft and skaledale station buildings at around £30 I think that if I can sell mine for about the same I will have cracked it. :hmm  

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Dave i think your £30 you are underselling your product you are talking a hand built product not a machine moulded production everyday model.

You are doing this to make money not give the stuff away yes you will flog loads at £30

If you start at a higher price you can drop if needed whereas you start at £30 its harder to increase the price.

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I agree completely with Brian.  You cannot compete with Skaledale and Scenecraft as they are mass produced using cheap labour in China and their unit costs will be much lower.  There is no point trying to compete with them - for all the time you have spent etc £30 is not a proper reward.

So many people go wrong under-selling themselves and while not wanting to put too much of a downer on things a little thought now will reap the rewards later.

One of the main factors in setting your price is how many do you expect to sell?  I believe that the production runs in the OO ranges are between 500 - 1000 of each, more in the more popular buildings like signal boxes etc.  This of course means that their tooling cost is spread over many models which helps make them so cheap.

If you are aiming to sell 20 say, then your tooling cost will need to be recouped in these 20.  Everything beyond that will then be profit, less an amount for materials and labour.  If you are aiming for 100 then your costs will come down, but only if you actually sell them all of course!

Packaging costs must also be considered - you do not want the items arriving damaged but you will need to allow for the fact that some will, and you will have to replace these free of charge.  Remember that some people will fib about damage as well and claim that they were damaged on arrival when they have actually broken them as they try to modify or just drop them!  Some people may even claim never to have received them...

Remember that what you are making is a unique hand built model.  You may even want to market them as limited production with a limited run to encourage sales.  If you need to sell 20 to make a profit them produce a cheap certificate on word and advertise in advance that this is all that will be made.  You can always modify the mould to have extra doors, or paint them differently for a future batch.

I am sure you will be worried about pricing yourself too highly but given that you cannot compete with the big boys on price then don't try to.  You will be selling to people who are used to paying to have models built and they are not short of cash.  If you think of the economics - say you sell 20 and they cost £20 each for you to build.  If you sell them for £30 you have £600, minus £400 cost you have £200.  Each extra £5 on the price gives you £100 extra.  Sell for £40 and just £10 extra has doubled your profit. 

Marty has suggested that you should have worked on your business plan - you really need to do this if you have not already and if you need any help I am sure there are plenty of people here willing to advise you. 

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Very well said Chris. :thumbs

Dave - leave the mass market to those who are geared up to do it (both financially, tool and labour wise)  You concentrate on the much smaller specialist market.  As Chris says, there are people out there who will pay what, to most of us, is a fortune to have something "different".  They are far fewer in number but have much more cash !!!

If you undersell, you'll be working like a slave for absolutely nothing and it will very quickly P you off !!

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I never for one moment thought that you would be selling these HAND BUILT station buildings for anything under £50.00 unpainted, and if you sell them painted and wired then they have to be at least double that.

To start something like this is hard, and at first it's just a add on to your hobby, but the people that will be buying your product will not be thinking that way, they are looking at a limited production run.

You need to look into how many hours it takes you to make one up, and also the total cost of each set of mouldings, You can look at this a simple way, and only you will know the answer to this question, how much do you need a week from wages to live, or what is your hourly rate at the moment, add at least £3.00 to that and that can be your hourly charge for making these up, then double the the cost of all the parts, buildings etc packing, paperwork etc, this will give you you real cost of each product, normally you would then double this to give you your selling price.

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the brown resin i used was set in 30 mins, i left for 60 mins before removing and these were set solid and not tacky. maybe you should get some to experiment with.

i also used primer as a first coat, this seemed to work a lot better than painting onto the resin.

i have removed mouldings early so i could bend the casting. this was for an experiment on a wall that i wanted round a bend. it worked out well.

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Thanks guys for all the advice. As for a relistic price is anyones guess?? I need to get enough for each building to make it worth while but I dont want to aim too high and end up being stuck with them! Once I have the first one built possably by the end of next week I will have a better idea. I think it all comes down to the fact that I have always worked hard for not a lot of money so to me £30 is a lot of money to spend on a building. :roll:  

Matt thanks for the tip on the brown resin. I will be using the brown stuff for two internal walls, end opening and the roof all the rest will be made from the clearcast due to the windows. Well tonights the night to use the rest of the wall molds as they have now been sitting for three days. They are slightly thinner than the first two so I just hope they work as well.

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Dave - I take your point about working hard for little money - I spent many years doing just that before I saw the light !!!

At £30, you'd be in the same market as Scaledale etc. and not only can't you compete, you definitely shouldn't !!  For a specialist hand built model, people EXPECT to pay lts more.  It goes without saying, your building should be good but if you price yourself too low, people will suspect there's something wrong with them.  You really can be too cheap !!!

It's a fine line you'll be driving but too cheap and people will buy Scaledale, too dear and you won't sell any.  Listen to what the members are saying - they're all buyers and know what they'd expect to pay !!!!!

Don't expect to sell hundreds of them either - limited editions are just that !!

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If you should price them too high and nothing is selling then you could always try a Spring/Summer/Autumn/Winter sale Dave. Knock say 10% off, and if they sell, then you will know the right price.

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Price them highish to start with. If you were to sell readily at a lower price, you'd always be thinking you could have got more for them, and if you were to raise the price once they became popular you'd run the risk of alienating your potential market who would resent paying a higher price for an item that others purchased for less.

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Thanks guys for all the advice on costs. I have decided to go with Chris's idea of doing a limited run as well as making the LED lighting a standard feature. I think by offering the buildings with the lighting already installed it will tempt more sales?? Matt thanks for the tip on the brown resin. Last night I used some to make two of the four internal walls + the end wall on the extension. I left it for about an hour before removing from the molds then laid the parts on a flat surface overnight. The clear stuff I removed this morning is still flexable and quite sticky so looks like this needs the full 24 hours to set. With a couple of hours spare this afternoon I have updated the website. Once I can find some footage that I shot of the WCML I can start my you tube add. I have this story boarded in my head so just need to find the footage as it's a long way to travel to shoot some more! :roll:  Had some more ideas for products this morning so all will be reveailed in due course once I get this first building sorted! ;-)

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Been a disapointing weekend as I would have liked to have got further with the station building. Friday after picking up Rachels mum from the station I spent the afternoon working on the website. I have added a latest news page along with a bit of tidying up. The remaining wall sections didn't come out as well as planned as I didn't use enough resin. They will however still be used as the first building is efectivly the prototype. With the rest of the walls added it now looks like...



 
I did also try to remove the walls from the molds after a couple of hours without sucess so looks like they will need the full 24 hours to set before removal. The brown resin however can be removed after an hour so I may make up a batch of the plain walls and then keep them to one side untill needed. Moving on to the roof. I found a supplier on the internet for the leds for the lighting.  I can get 100 3mm frosted white leds for £23 and 100 resistors for £2 so as regards lighting I have got the cost down to £2.50 per building. The roof it's self will be made of two castings. The top one will have a ribbed finish to make the roof more intresting to look at whilst the bottom section will have all the holes for the leds with the wiring sandwiched between the two. The lighting will be configured for 12v opperation and will be just a case of connecting the two wires from the building to the layouts lighting supply. Of course if the lighting is run on a lower voltage the lights will be dimmer and proberly look more relistic but by setting the default supply at 12v gives the buyer the choice. Saturday was spent at beamish open air museum. I forgot to charge the camera battries up so no pics although if we send off the recept and some paperwork we will be sent a years pass so next time I will get some pickys! Unfortunalty Yesterday was spent in bed with a dental abcess so a waisted day modeling wise. Today the shops were open so now I have some pain killers I feel much better. :thud ;-)

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Just had a very quick shifty at the home page on your web-site.  Looks good although there are one or two things that seemed slightly odd grammatically.  You may want to check them or leave as they are :roll::roll:

In your opening sentence - "Don't be put of much longer" should surely be "Don't be put off ANY longer"

"Individual" and "bespoke" are synonymous - you need one or the other, not both.

"Links London to Glasgow" - should be "Links London WITH Glasgow"

You said "with West Coast Minatures, I aim to recreate etc."  You are advertising a company, not yourself.  It might be better to say "West Coast Minatures aims to recreate ......"   Using "I" suggests that WCM is just you !!  Think big - let the public assume it's a company (you can be Chairman if you like but it's the company that matters).

You might think this is nit-picking, and maybe it is,  but you never know who's going to read it and, to many people,  image is very important when they deal over the internet.

Just to finish, I noticed you had costed your lighting based on the cost of the LED's you've sourced.  Don't forget the wiring/electrical tape or whatever, any connectors plus your time.

I'd sit down with a piece of paper and build a model in your mind.  Every time you make a mould, use glue, fit a light etc. etc. list EXACTLY what you do, what you use, how long it takes and what it costs.  Your "consumables" are your glue, scalpel blades, sandpaper, paint brushes, plasters for cut fingers, soap to wash off the release agent  etc. etc just as much as they are your LED's and resin.  Honestly Dave, simply EVERYTHING MUST be included or you'll end up subsidising your buyers to the extent that you might just as well not waste your time -  send them a cheque instead !!!

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For what its worth i also agree with Peter. You have to list each and every thing you do Dave, may seem trivial say for arguments sake 5p for a piece of something but they all add up mate. I mean i wont let people off 10p when they say their are short of the fare, it  would add up drastically by the end of the week. You have to do the same Dave. As Peter says make a list of what you use, all the way to the end product total it up and then add more for you profit.

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 Phill, you mean to say that after standing for hours waiting in the Pi**i*g rain, being greeted by a misarable bloke who has to sit on his own at the front, being squashed up next to some smelly long haired student, and getting off miles from where you want to go (cause there's never a stop near your destination)............You have to PAY for it. You will be telling us next that they will be taking all the conductors off the buses.:roll::roll::cry::lol:;-)

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Yes mate, rules are rules and i aint letting anyone on if they aint got a pass, ticket or money etc. Not my fault the idiot has stood for age's in the pi....ng rain. I got wet getting the bus ready mate :twisted::mutley

Just hope i meet you one day mate, i drive pass you :twisted:  because i know you give me grief :mutley

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Thanks Peter for the feedback. Home page now amended!! Right still suffering with my abcess today but I have got round to making the masters for the roof section. The roof will be made of two castings allowing the wiring for the lights to be sandwiched in the middle. ;-)

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Good news at last!! I have been contacted by another modeler with regards to building another modern station building. This will be my first commision and im both excited and nervous! The basic design will be similar to potters lane but bigger. As I value feedback from others I will be using this thread to post pics of the build and other west coast stuff so as not to clogg up my other workbench thread. Just like to say thanks guys for all your help and encouragement over the past eight months  that has got me this far. :thumbs

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Thats very good news Dave hopefully the start of what may become a steady trickle of orders for you.

I know its tempting to do things cheap in your situation but try and not undersell yourself.

If you are looking at it as a bit of advertising if the person you are dealing with is happy to give a referance after he recieves it perhaps then it may be worth considering selling it cheaper than the normal price.

My advise at this stage would be to be honest with the person dont try to give an image you are scalescenes UK point out if the person seems reasonable that you are just starting and as he may be one of the first customers he will be getting the model at a price which will be lower than you will normally charge and if he is pleased with it will he give a referance.

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Dave - what fantastic news. :doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb

You've been up and down over this and I can imagine you're extremely nervous but remember, you've already built a superb model in Potter's Lane.  Make this one as good and you're away. :thumbs:thumbs

Crack open a bottle my friend - you really deserve it.  Let's hope this is the start of something really rewarding - in every way. :cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers

Post away Dave - we'll let you know how it's going - we won't pull any punches but we'll make sure it's a credit to West Coast Minatures and that your client will be delighted with what he gets  !!!!

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If you want references with regard to your work then we are fully qualified to give them on here because we have actually seen what goes into your models.

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Was there ever any doubt, Dave :question  NO  We all know how good you are :exclam  Congratulations :doublethumb

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That is great news Dave, we all knew it would happen fairly soon. Start the pictures coming, this is going to be FUN!

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Bravo Mate, good news indeed.
Post 'em up, you know we'll give you an honest opinion.
Here's hoping for more.

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Dave, I was sorry to see that your building only went for £16 in the end. Unfortunately this is common for scratch/kit built items that are not built specifically for someone. As an example I knew someone who had a model railway 'professionally' built for them to fill a spare bedroom. This cost in excess of £20,000. A similar layout on eBay would be lucky to sell for more than £1,000.

Can I suggest a different approach?

If you build to order then you can charge more as you are building to suit the purchaser's requirements.

In order to publicise your service I would suggest writing articles on building 'modern image' buildings for one of the mainstream magazines. As modern image buildings are uncommon and the material you are using is 'new' I would think that you would have no trouble getting a series of articles accepted - station building, signal box, depot building, footbridge.

Given that you have already photographed the build process and written it up for the forum, rewriting for a magazine should be fairly easy.

Hope this helps and good luck,

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I agree with you Ian.  You didn't actually put a price on it Dave so I suppose the starting point would be low - who would bid £50 to start with when they might get it for £5 ?

It's all in the marketing and that's what you've GOT to concentrate on.  We know you can build them, now you've got to learn to market them at the right price.

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I will probably be vilified for this but, yes Dave you are a good modeller but unfortunately that doesnt guarantee you to be a good businessman. IMHO when you finish a model,dont rush to put it on ebay or post to a client. Leave it for 1 or 2 days then have a closer look at it and see if there is anything you can improve. Its a great idea to model modern image but are you restricting your possibilities by only offering West Coast? Pleaase take this in the way it is meant! Good Luck with everything you do.

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Ian's idea is a sound one, because once you get something published in a magazine your name will become known to a lot more interested people, and then you will find more wanting your work, that's how most of the BIG names in our hobby have made a living. I am sure Ian would help you with the write-up, and also some contact's.

But you really will need to think of it as a business, and not something to earn a few quid at.

You know where we all are, just ask any question and one of us will always help.

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Thanks guys. Since the sale of the ebay building I have been contacted by two people regarding some more buildings. This weekend I will be drawing up a few basic designs and working out a relistic price list. For the first enquiry I will be building either a building that sits over the platforms like new street or somthing smaller again over the platforms accessed from a road bridge. Layout thread here...

http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=10712&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=60

The other enquiry is for a half reliff building similar to potters lane so that will be intresting to do. Again details to be finalised but if work does commence on either I will post progress in this workbench thread. ;-)

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Got round to doing an update on the website this week.

http://westcoastminiatures.webs.com/station.html

Dont shoot me down for the drawings the origanals look much better than the scanned versions!

When I was at the last event at Shildon I took some of the buildings with me in a carry case along with some reliveried stock just incase I bumped into Owen or any of the guys off the other forums. Carrying the thing around it seemed such a shame that no one could see them so I hatched a plan involving an old metal camera case and some plexiglass. Watch this space...;-)

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Hi Dave

I agree with Mike. Don't see anything wrong with the drawings and in fact I quite like the hand drawn style.

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hi Dave,been watching progress but due to home probs not had much to say,
you have come on in leaps and bounds mate.
you deserve to succeed and i know you will.

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Thanks guys the website will evolve depending on the direction the business goes in. Going to start on the display case today as the steam weekend is on at shildon shortly followed by the start of the local exhibitions. For the case I will be doing a model of the kidsgrove prototype building. I will be starting the half reliff building shortly once the final details have been sorted and it may eventualy appear on a new YMR members layout. ;-) 

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Come on Dave Spill the beans whats this upcoming Ymr members module is this some liason with Owen to produce a module?:lol:

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Is that a new members layout or a members new layout? It certainly reads like a new members layout.

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it is new members layout Bob,nowt to do wi me.

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Correct Bob although I will leave it up to the individual to post for themselves if they decide to, customer confidentially and all that! ;-)

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I have guessed who it is but im saying nothing:lol::lol:

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87 101 wrote: Correct Bob although I will leave it up to the individual to post for themselves if they decide to, customer confidentially and all that! ;-)
I have to confess you have me intrigued now. I will be watching any new members very closely because we haf vays of making zem talk.

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First clue

Definately be a modern image layout:lol:

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Wot you lot like ehh!! :roll: :lol:

OK time to test the new YMR gallery. Here we have the mobile 'trade stand'!













 The idea is to split the box up into different levels so as to display a station building, signal box, a reliveried coach and some OHLE! Should prove to be intresting getting it all to fit. Once finished I will get the box sign written with the westcoast logos and see what happens at the next outing! ;-)

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Yes very easy to use once I had resized the pics before uploading. First order is now confirmed so building work will start soon. ;-)

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What are you resizing the pictures to and from Dave. Unless they are extremely large files there's no need to alter the pictures at all. The software does it automatically.

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The pics were straight off the cameras memory card so were proberly quite large. I resized them to 600 x 400 as any bigger I have to scroll across the screen to see them. :roll: ;-)

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Dave there is a guy asking about where to get wcml catenneray from in the question and answer section on rmweb get your west cost link posted quickly:lol:

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henryparrot wrote: Dave there is a guy asking about where to get wcml catenneray from in the question and answer section on rmweb get your west cost link posted quickly:lol:

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I searched out the thread on RMweb and posted a link to your site Dave, that way you wont fall foul of thier no private advertising rule.

 

 

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Thanks John much apreciated. I actualy got wrong off one of the mods on there for even sugesting that I made models for sale hence I now have a little mark next to my name! :roll:

Ok piccy time...last night I started on the half reliff building. To give the building some depth I covered the rear wall with mirrored vinyl. The rest of the build is straight forward the only real difference is the roof section that is made from three 3mm sheets of foamex. This allows the copper wiring to be 'embedded' into the roof structure. Once the leds have been fitted into the recesses the lighting effect will be the same as potters lane and will give the impression that the lights are flush mounted into the ceiling.

Here is the rear of the building the left hand bit will be the back of the 'retail unit'




Overall view of the front. The total length mesures 14 1/2".





Here is the copper wiring for the led lighting




This shows the copper wiring extending down to feed power to the extension




Looking down showing how the building fits the small hornby platform




And finaly this shows how the mirrored back will give the building some depth




Now that the basic superstructure is glued together and set next job will be a bit of sanding to square up the edges and then work will move on to the front wall. ;-)

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Just like to add the new gallery function is so easy to use. Just click the upload box above the posting text box, click browse, select your pic, click upload then just click on it and it appears in your post. Simples! Thanks Robert for adding this function to the forum. :thumbs

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Yep. The rated voltage will be 12v dc although the resistors that I have ordered will allow the leds to opperate up to 14v to allow for differences in supply voltage. The lighting effect will be the same as potters lane. Incidently on potters lane the lights use 1k resistors so can run on 12v but the design of the light enclosures is so good I actualy run them on 5v!

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Some of you will remember the chip shop that I built at christmas (still needs finishing!!) for the main layout....



 


You will remember how I lit the shop signs using light from the shop?? Well take a look at the next part of the station build...




Great thing about the foamex board is it can be carved like wood using a craft knife. The idea here is that the led lighting the retail unit will also light the shop sign whilst the led lighting the open entrance way will also bounce some light back into the end section of the main building. Here's a basic demo using the work light...




The copper wiring has been fitted same as the main building....




This shows the three layers of 3mm board making up the roof. The end and front walls have also been cut with the end having the trade mark open door! The two ends of the copper wire sticking down will have the red and black wires attached to link the building to the layouts lighting supply...




The extra 'bay' can be seen here increesing the length of the building from three bays on potters lane to the four found on the origanal. (the bays are the bits between the sticking out roof supports)




Here the extension roof has been fitted and the wiring linked to the main building...




At the other end the links have been fitted that link the front row of lights to the rear and also the link over to the toilet light...




And finaly a slightly blured pic showing all the roof now in place....




Next comes the enjoyable bit turning the shell into a building more later....... ;-)

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That foamex board is certainly the bees knees for your type of construction Dave.
At 3mm that's 9 inches in 4mm scale so does anyone else on the forum use it, and if so, for what?

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I don't think I have ever seen it before. Certainly not here in Spain although I will make enquiries.

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You can buy it in packs at places like the range that sell craft stuff usually the sizes they sell are A4 A3 sheet sizes in packs usually white in colour but there is a black which for some reason is more expensive.

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You can only get it from signwriting suppliers although some signwriting companys do sell it to the public. The stuff sold in craft shops is different as it has a card outer skin and the internal foam is softer. Try googling foamex.

http://www.colourbanners.co.uk/foamex.php

http://www.exantia.co.uk/direct_to_board/foamex.html

http://www.foamex.com.au/home.html

Just a couple of links. I get mine from my brother in law's signwriting business. ;-)

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Moving on slightly. Here we have the underside of the top section of roof.....




The squares are strips of the mirrored vinyl and when the roof is put together they make great reflectors for the lights...







Here we have the front of the extension cut from 3mm thick foamex...




With the brickpaper on the building is starting to take shape....




Note also how the brick wall is reflected back. Add a few more fimilar bits.....




Overall view.....




The position of the backlit sign can be seen clearly on the right. Right off to finish the window frames just wish next doors alarm would shut up! :roll:

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ooooh looking good . it looks great david brilliant.

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As Bob says, you can certainly move along with these buildings Dave. :thumbs

I had a look at the links you gave for suppliers and it occurred to me that I hope your contact for off-cuts doesn't dry up - not cheap this stuff :shock::shock::shock:.  

If you had to buy it,  an A4 sheet in 3mm at £20 would make a big hole in your costings.

Having re-read the link - I see it is for a "printed" A4 board.  I couldn't find a price for just the board  ?????

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Just as well I know where the signwriters get it from! I think the last time I asked my brother in law the cost for a 8'x4' sheet of 3mm was about £20. Thats a lot of buildings! :thumbs

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That's cheap Dave.  Must be a good profit in printing on the stuff if they can charge £20 for an A4 printed board....................:roll::roll:

Forgot to say how good the building was looking. :thumbs:thumbs

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Ok last update today. A bit later than anticapated as I had to change my cv, send off a job application and organise a car! Right with every building im learning better tecniques of doing things and I must say I will be sad to see this one go to it's new owner untill the next build of course! ;-)

One of the challenges with this build was to capture the look of the origanal building but in half reliff as it has to fit on a hornby platform. To give the building some depth I have been working with some mirrored vinyl on the rear wall. Now one of the features that realy stands out is seeing the other set of doors as you look through the station entrance way. To achive the effect of the missing doors needs a bit of cunning (more cunning than a fox with a degree in cunning baldrick!) So on the rear of the doors we produce the other side like...




When viewed through the building we get...




note the opening to the right...




The sign front lights up realy well. The blue background is actualy the translucent stuff that is used on real signs. To test I used the work light again....




The shop front still needs to be added but you get the idea...




With the brickwork on and the window frames in the building is now starting to resemble the prototype.......




I still have to add the distintive blue wooden trims around the base and fit a door...




This gives an idea of what the lighting will look like....






Just need the led's to be delivered now before I can finish off the roof. :roll:

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Well done Basil (Brush that is, not Fawlty).

The way you have done the reflective door is ingenuity in itself.

Once a few of those get out and about there will be a queue of requests for more, I'm sure of it.

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I am sure these signwriters always have plenty of off-cuts.  Given that businesses are charged for all their waste collection they are probably glad to get rid of them!

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Wow Dave - that's looking great. :thumbs

As Marty said, once these get around the "circuit", I hope you'll be able to cope with the work load.  They look very professional indeed.

I forgot to ask earlier - what are the little solder blobs on the wires here:


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Thanks guys. Peter the solder 'blobs' are where I 'tinned' the copper wire. This will make soldering the led's on easer. ;-) 

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Ok todays piccys.......

First the retail unit. Quite pleased with the look of this bit! The windows have been finished with two bands of frosted glass and the doors have been fitted with chrome handles. Will look great once the led's are fitted.....







View down the platform.....




The station names are temporarily stuck with tape case they need to be changed...







Gents toilet note the metal plate on the door base....




The door was a bit fiddley but looks just like the prototype including the metal kick plate, sign and even the cream coloured blinds!



Just the lighting to fit now then I can glue the top section of roof on and fit the roof trim. That retail unit has given me a great idea for fitting under a canopy. ;-)

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Those posters are great Dave - love the Jimmy Saville ones, a great touch!  Where did you find them?

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Had to go down the town this morning and had an idea for a future model. Out town centre has been run down for years and plans are for a redevlopment. One local landmark to go will be our libary. This building has recently been vacated and is due to be demolished soon but the construction looks very similar to the buildings that I have been making. Plan is to take loads of piccys and then build a model of it then contact the local paper and see if they will do a feature. Sounds like a plan to me! :thumbs 

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Scalescenes Chris. They come with the station nameboard kit (modern image). A couple have pics of electrics and one even has a map that looks like part of the WCML! :cool: :thumbs

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Thanks Dave - I'll have a look for those tomorrow.  I need some posters for the platform ends at Penzance!

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Here you go Chris just click here..

http://www.scalescenes.com/products/R001a-Station-Signs-and-Posterboards

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WOW looks GREAT!!! NICE WORK DAVID .MMMM WHAT ABOUT A BLOCK OF FLATS???

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Funny you should mention a block of flats Shaun I have plans to build a large office block for my main layout at some point. Glad you like the building. ;-) 

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Thanks guys can't wait to see it fully lit! :thumbs

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Now we have not got any Poirot`s  here as there is a massive clue who Daves customer for this station is.:lol::lol:

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Well as per norml a great build once again :doublethumb.

:hmm i have now got a idea who the mystery buyer is,  but if i have to guess i would say ......., nope i shall have to wait to see if i am right.

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Led's arrived this morning....




Apart from soldering half of them in backwards (luckly I reliased!) installation was straight forward....










Bit of a woops moment when I came to solder on the wires as I ment to do it before I fitted the end wall. Thanks to a home made heat shield (bit of the metal left off the display case) the problem was sorted...




A quick test.....













The blue backlit panel above the retail unit works realy well....




Now the lights are fitted time to finish the roof. :thumbsl

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dona nice job as per.

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Thanks Owen. Well the building now finished and looks great outside in the sunshine just wish my camera would take pics in sunlight! Here's my best efforts. The nameboards have been changed so I can use some pics on the website.















Going to make a box with a backscene stuck on that I can take outside. ;-) 

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Who's a clever boy then? Looks fantastic.Well done mate!

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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Cheers. Made a makeshift backdrop and took it outside....




Then had a play with some photo editing to make a new background for my desktop....




Next task is to rig up a power supply and go back out when it gets a bit darker to picture the lights. Looks like a website update is on the cards shortly. :thumbs

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Looks fantastic Dave. :thumbs:thumbs

Your client will be very pleased with that.  Lets hope it generates plenty of new orders.

Have you got it all properly costed now ?  That bit worries me because, if you do get plenty of orders, you'll be working your little whatsits off for peanuts and it's always much more difficult to increase prices than it is to drop them.

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Lets just say that this ones more relisticly priced compared with the one that went on ebay. With this building I have learnt some new tequnics with regard to the tricky 'entrance doors' and by making the roof up of three sections made fitting the wiring for the lights a piece of p***! The build took longer than anticapated mainly due to the delay with the led's but I ordered extra as I expect some more enquiries once this one makes it's public apearence! ;-)

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87 101 wrote: Lets just say that this ones more relisticly priced compared with the one that went on ebay.    .............................................................................................................................. The build took longer than anticapated mainly due to the delay with the led's but I ordered extra as I expect some more enquiries once this one makes it's public apearence! ;-)
As long as you're happy with your costings and margin Dave,  that's great.

Whilst it's not for me (wrong era),  I'm absolutely certain the orders will come in.

If the time was due to delays in delivery of parts,  then that's certainly not a problem.  What would be a problem is if you'd allowed 4 hours "actual building time" and it took you 6. :hmm

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Ok you are all proberly getting board with this one now so here's a final selection with the lights on (got to be a header pic somewhere!;-))

This first one shows how effective the mirrored vinyl is. Its hard to think that all this light is from two 3mm led's......









This one takes me back 25 years when I took the pics of the prototype station. The only real diffrence is the conversion of the bike shed to a retail unit...












Took loads more along with some video so I can start putting together an advert to post on you tube. :thumbs

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WOW LOOKS GREAT!!! great work dave looks even better lit .:doublethumb

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You would just have to proud of that one Dave.

:cheers May there be many more.

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prices like theirs? your builds look a lot more comprehensive.

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Thanks guys for all the feedback. Got loads of pics for the webste so I will be doing an updat again soon! Ok with the inital enquiry about the station building I was also asked about a matching canopy so that got me thinking.... Last night whilst waiting for the email to come through with the contact details for the free car I came up with a simple but intresting design for the canopy. On the second platform there are usualy a second set of toilets and a covered waiting room. So I came up with the idea of a couple of 'pods' supporting a large roof. The idea is that the pods can be mixed and matched according to the clients requirements so here we have the toilet pod.....




And here's the waiting room....




They both need the roof supports painting but with the roof on look somthing like this....




Sorry about the blured pics im having camera trouble again!! Anyway the view back towards the station building is somthing like .....










Again I will offer them with or without lights but I think that they will be a usefull add on to the emerging range of buildings. :roll:

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Good thoughts Dave... how about a range of platform accessories. The vending machine was very good.
Platform seating too?

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Have thought about that Marty although Bachmann have just brought out some modern platform stuff. Well good news is that the canopy has found a new home so just need to stop playing with the new car and finish it off! :roll: ;-) 

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Station canopy nearly finished just a few details to add tomorrow.













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The lighting works beautifully Dave. Brings back memories of many hours spent on platforms late at night and in the early hours of the morning. The buildings were different in those days and the light wasn't as bright but the atmosphere was more or less the same.

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:thumbs Cool photos ....... love the lighting effects! :doublethumbAs Bob says, realistic effects brings back memories.

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Thanks for all the comments guys. Well this current project is coming to a close with the boxing up of the buildings this morning so I guess we will next see them on a layout not to far away! Yesterday I was at my brother in laws place again so the oppitunity was there to stock up with foamex offcuts. Needless to say I got a nice binbag full. Best find of the day however was an airbrush. This was found after we ripped down a wall that was part of a spray booth. All the bits had come out of the box but a rummage through the crap on the floor provided the box and contents. Never used one before so another new skill to learn! Must tidy up the workroom before I start my next project. :roll:

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I'll really look forward to your experiences learning to airbrush Dave.

I've got a brand new one sitting here awaiting enough courage to have a bash with it. :roll::roll:

Great news about the bib-bag of foamex. :thumbs  More buidling materials on stock eh :cheers:cheers

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Last look at the station buildings...




Quite like this pic of the 86's framed by the canopy.....




Into the box with extra bubble wrap added on top.....




As with the previous building i've included a flyer and spare signs/name boards...




The other sheet is a guide for wiring up the led lighting. Right, off to the Post Office........ :thud

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i can get them to you  the only thing missing is the spare storage jar.

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Now that Shauns station buildings have been done my attention has turned to my next westcoast projects. First I will be fitting some clear shelves to the see through case so that I can take a couple of things to shildon tomorrow. Once done I can then build a couple of display buildings to keep in the case for promotional purposes! That brings me on to my next subject....

Ok... I live in Woodham Village that is part of the new town of Newton Aycliffe. The town was first devloped in 1947 when the old bomb factory was converted into an industral estate. Now over the past 60 years the town has grown slightly! Out town centre was first built in the mid 1950's and slowly added to over the years. Origanaly there was a road that ran through the town centre with shops down each side that resembled a traditional high street. In the early 1970's phase two was started with a more heaver look to the buildings and road was removed. This has led to two completly diffrent styles of buildings. In the 1980's the local development corporation was disolved and Sedgfield council took over running the town. One thing they did was to sell off the town centre to some devlopers in London who then put up all the rents and efectivly killed off the town that I remember as a kid. Anyway back on topic there have been plans to redevlop the town and finaly after 20 years of waiting work is starting. First to go will be the old library. This is the reason for this post as im going to model it as a promotional model then contact the local paper and try and get an artical done that will show off the model and plug the business! So this morning I took the camera 'shopping' and took a few pics whilst the mrs was in the shops. Here we have the library....

  



Very similar in style to the westcoast buildings, easy to build and can be added to the westcoast portfolio.











Next to the library is the old health centre. This is also to be demolished soon...





When origanal built the library and health centre stood at the side of the old road that was later built on with this....














The green boards cover the old shop fronts, windows and open walkways.









Im supprised that this bit is still accessable. Origanaly you colud walk right through here. On the right is the entrance to the old rent office.












 The other end of the walkway came out here...



Note the unusal roof. I think that it looks like an open packet of rennies! This section is still used as there are still a few shops up here although out local MP has just moved out so that work can start on demolition....











Another town landmark that is to go will be the old ADC offices and the town clock.....













 So there we go lots of prototype pics of buildings that once were common in the UK and are slowly disapearing. I will take the camera back down tomorrow when the town is quieter. ;-)

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Dave I see you have gone back to photobucket for these latest pictures. I am not querying your choice of host it's just a question of my asking if you are having a problem with our Gallery. If so I need to know about it.

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Hi Robert no probs with gallery just makes it easer if I want to share the pics elsewhere. Also they arn't realy railway related! ;-)

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That's good then Dave. You're thinking better than I am actually as I hadn't considered the photographs content.

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Thats OK boss. Thats the reason I didn't post any of the car pics on the gallery either. ;-)

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Work has started on the case. After some thought I have decided to split the case in to two bits. The bottom section will have a length of track, station platform and a station building. The top will proberly have a signal box. Heres the bottom....










Question is can I build the bottom section in 4 1/2 hours before Casino royal comes on at 9pm? Watch this space.....

 

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Quick progress report whilst I print off the brick papers. After about an hour I had balasted the track and built the platform....







At the moment I have got all the internal supports cut and the front and back walls......







I must have lost about half an hour build time looking for stuff and fixing the hoover for the mrs! Right back to work the clock is ticking!!

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Dave, you make lightning look slow!!!!!;-)

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Well the film was rubbish but the station building turned out ok.....




























Certainly turned a few heads over at the steam day in shildon!  Got chatting to Mick from Durham trains is Stanley who is also sponsers the BR blue forum that im also a member on. He as asked me to send him a couple of flyers so that he can put them up in the shop and also will be doing a link from the shops website. Things are definatly on the up!! :thumbs

 

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And so they should be Dave, you deserve the recognition.
With regard to the case, is the locomotive depicted stuck down or do you put it in the case when it is at rest? The case that is, not the locomotive.  :lol:  :lol:

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I just plonked it in the case. I suppose I could cut a hole in one end and fit a fiddle yard..... NO NO NO dont go THERE !!!

I will be fitting lights into the buildings in the case along with a working signal gantry so that will definatly be eye catching! :cool:

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I think the case is a brilliant idea Dave because it's working for you even when you are relaxing with a cup of coffee. Is there anywhere you can put your company logo to show whose work it is.

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When done I will get my brother in law to signwrite it for me. The gantry logo will frame the window perfectly. :thumbs

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Love it. Make sure we get a picture of the finished product Dave.

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Thats a brilliant idea you have thought of Dave. I supose you could do a few case's the same with different builds you do, very smart and pleased your getting off the ground with it.

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love the case dave you will soon have the orders flowing in :thumbs

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Very clever Dave :thumbs

Just one question, I am sure that it has already been asked

:oops: what do you use to stick the paper to the clear plastic ?

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I presume that you are refering to the brickpapers Alan? I use bostik as it drys quickly and dos'nt affect the print. ;-)

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Will the case remain see-through Dave or will it finish up with interchangeable backgrounds to suit whatever is on display?

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Going to leave it see through Robert. The top shelf will have a signal box fitted along with a signal gantry and a few other bits. All the buildings will be lit using a rechargable battery pack so they will stand out better!

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Yesterday whilst down the town I took the opitunity to mesure the libaray. This was done by a combination of counting the bricks and working out the rest of the dimensions by comparing with the 2' square paving slabs. So far using a sheet of brickpaper I have transfered the mesurements to a piece of paper and managed to draw out the buildings footpring in 00 gauge. Work will start soon on cutting out the walls from clear acrlyic sheet so piccys soon. ;-)

 

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Hi Dave

Have a go with Double sided tape for sticking the paper to the box - it is a lot, lot quicker

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Havn't had much modeling time lately since starting work as most afternoons are now spent doing odd jobs for people! However I did finaly meet gary the rat catcher today who is a fellow railway modeller! He is also the seceratery of the perth green model railway club in Jarrow who are having an exhibition in december. Looks like yours truly may be going as an exibitor with the westcoast stuff. If there is enough space I might even take potters lane as a work in progress! :thumbs  

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Yes Brian I have been enjoying it for the past three weeks now. Have you done anything with the vinyls yet? ;-)

Ok the Jarrow exhibition has been confirmed I have half a table so dont know how big a table is but half is better than none! Still a lot to do before then as I need another building for the display case so looks like no more work on the layouts for a bit yet! :roll:

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Tonight I have received final confirmation for another station building and matching canopy set. This time the station will be finished in network south east colours. No lights in this one so a fairly easy build (he says looking at the pile of junk on the workbench!) Question for Chris (or anyone else who will know) NSE livery spec on buildings? As far as I know the doors and trim are red along with the lamp posts.

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The lampost should be red, along with any grass or weeds growing alongside it!  (They were painted in one hell of a rush)

The doors and trim would generally be red, but they did also use NSE blue instead in places, there was no strict rule about which colour to use!

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http://www.network-southeast.co.uk/

Certainly Guildford was a station where they used the NSE blue rather than red.

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Thanks Chris for the info. Work has started on the NSE building. All the walls and roof have been cut out and I have so far clad the front and back walls with brick sheet. Will stick a couple of piccys up later once I have glued all the bits together. Last night I recived yet another enquiry this time for a signal box. This box if built will be for an exhibition layout and will differ slightly as the walls will be covered with wills brick sheet. So much for working on my N gauge layout! :roll: :thumbs

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Here's some pics of the next building on my workbench. This is my second westcoast station building and is intended for a NSE layout hence the red doors. The building is similar to the one I made for Carbbie bridge but will have the open end same as Potters lane....







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A little more progress I now have all the internal walls done and the concrete roof supports painted....



I have temporay added the white boarding across the front to give an idea of the finished building....





Chrome door fittings added....


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This afternoons update. The building is starting to take shape now that all the walls have been added. The door to the office has been left open slightly to add a bit of visual intrest....

The door has had the chrome handles added and the silver kickplate across the bottom. I have also added vertical blinds same as Carbbie bridge. The entrance doors also have chrome handles and finger plates...

The retail unit at the end has been finished with frost effect stripes. This will eventualy become a WH Smiths...

The shop also has another entrance on the platform side. At the other end of the main station building is a covered 'bike shed' area same as potters lane...

This is the platform side..

This is the entrance side..

To give an idea of the length I have placed two hornby mk2's in front....

This is with the roof off showing the internal walls...

I still have some trims to add to the entrance side and a couple of doors to fit in the entrance lobby but I should have the station building finished tonight then I can move onto the island platform buildings.

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Thanks guys bout time things started going right for a change! Once I have done the matching set of buildings for the other platform I will be starting on the signal box order. Looking forward to that one! :thumbs

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Work on the station building is almost finished whilst work is well advanced on the waiting room/toilet block for the second platform. Here's a few piccys I will be taking some better ones outside over the weekend for the website...













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Finished the station today and managed to get a few pics outside. To help with the network south east look I have added a grey strip and NSE flashes to the white trims around the buildings. The retail unit has had the WHSmith signage added whilst the waiting room has had the windows frosted to match the shop. I have fitted a couple of NSE station signs that someone kindly sent me for the pics although the stations owner will be fitting his own nameboards that have been made by electra railway graphics. As you know I always include the station posters and signs although this time I will be sending them for the buyer to fit himself. Anyway heres the pics ....

Main entrance...

Platform entrance...

Car park entrance to shop...

Island platform buildings...

Overall view of the main building...




View through the buildings note the NSE flashes....

General views....







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Thanks guys for the feedback. Hopfully today the station buildings will arrive at their new home so im now just waiting for an email confirming this. This is the worst bit waiting for the customers feedback! Still havn't started the signal box yet as i've been held up with a pig of a decorating job that has taken longer than anticapated. Needless to say I wont be doing anymore!! The job is for the guy that I will be building the layout for so work will be starting on that project soon and as if I havn't got enough to do my contact for the Jarrow show has also ordered another station building and some london underground signals. Then theres making Potters lane presentable for its upcoming outing.... :roll: :thumbs 

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Hi guys I have just recieved some fantastic feedback from the guy I made the station buildings for. As it was you lot who pushed me into starting west coast I would just like to share this with you all.......

Hi all, just thought that i would update you all on my station building that i received in the post yesterday from West Coast Miniatures and share my overall thoughts with you all,

The quality of the station building is to a very very high standard such as the door furniture and trim to the station building ect and the way that this is all put together it is a true work of art.

The station feels very sturdy which is great as i have never had experience with foam board before, but was pleasantly surprised as it looks to be a very robust material which i would like to experiment with my self one day.

Communications with Dave at West Coast Miniatures was spot on Dave answered all my e-mail's and answered all my questions very quickly, which was great as i never felt left out, this then extends to when Dave was creating my station i could follow Dave's progress on the BR BLUE forum on my work bench thread (which i also owe a big thank you to Dave for introducing me to a great forum :cool: ), which was great as i was always kept in the picture, and if i needed to change anything i could have done this before it was to late.(Idid not have to change a thing as Dave took all my requirements on board and stuck to them).

Yesterday when i received my parcel i was very happy to see that it had made it all the way from Co Durham undamaged and in one piece (two pieces if you count the island platform building) but again this is down to the packaging which was great, plenty of bubble wrap and specialist air pockets all cased in a sturdy box

As a nice finishing touch Dave had placed spare material in the box such as the blu,red,white,grey NSE branding plus station advertising which is very useful.

The price that i paid for the station and island platform building was also very reasonable as i was considering to use the Hornby Skaledale rang for my station but when i worked out all the pricing it would have cost me more to use the Skaledale range than this unique station from West Coast Miniatures!!!!!

To sum up the overall experience that i received from Dave at West Coast Miniatures (Dave) is that i would highly recommend his services to any one, i would give Dave a 10/10 for communications 10/10 for a high quality of standard of work 10/10 for reasonable pricing and a 10/10 for packaging.

Overall 10/10

After receiving this masterpiece i have now made the decision that i need another platform building so watch this space (Sorry Dave), i will also post some pictures up when i receive my new camera.

Thank you Dave for all the work that you have carried out for me look forward to using you skills again (Very soon)

Needless to say im still taking this in!! With a complete layout project to build and further orders for buildings and signals things are starting to take off at last. So I would just like to say thanks guys for all the encouragement. :thumbs
 

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There you go Dave we all told it would take off it you stuck at it and it now seems to be starting for you.

hopefully it will grow enough to help with your income plus subsidise your hobby

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Dave - I've probably got the same lump in my throat for you that you got when you read that. :thumbs:thumbs

After all your trials and tribulations, to get a testimonial like that must be like winning the lottery (well, maybe not quite !!).

Many congratulations - I just hope you got your costings right and that it was worth it financially because I can imagine that you're going to be getting quite a few commissions after that post !!.

Well done mate - if anyone deserves it, you do. :pathead:pathead:cheers:cheers:cheers

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it has begun the orders will pour in , brill...

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My word Dave. There is one very satisfied customer. Great news.

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I have just spent an hour reading this thread.

Well done , Dave.
Some great ideas included here.

It mirrors my own experience in producing dioramas to order.
Although mine is a hobby and not a business, I have been lucky enough to find some regular buyers who are willing to pay enough to cover materials.

Very impressed with your lighting and the Sales aid suitcase.
I have a stock of what I believe are 'grain of wheat' bulbs if you run short - however they may be ordinary LEDs, I don't know the difference never having ventured into lighting!

Do I have any tips from my own experience? Not really.
When selling dioramas on eBay I find that work with a smaller footprint is more attractive to buyers with an established layout but of course this doesn't apply to commissioned projects.
(My latest is 2" x 2' !!!).

Congratulations again - very good work.

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Congratulations, just look back on all those earlier worries and be feel proud that you had the courage of your own convictions and DID it.

Huzzah!!!!!

Doug

[Wouldn't it be wonderful if the real railway could get half that amount of positive feed-back?]

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nice station dave  another great build ,they look great and look even better lit up keep up the good work dave .

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Just catching up Dave,

Nice to hear a success story and one with such positive feedback.

If you continue to get 10/10 for communications, modelling and packaging I suspect that no-one will mind if a well considered escalation in pricing results in an 8/10 for value?

Keep it up, hope you have some time between your day job.

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Are we sitting comfortably OK here we go again !!
Start by cutting out the acrylic glazing and fit it over the template...



Add the window frames....





Add the blue bits....



Now the wooden paneling...



More later...

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The joiners have been busy with the framework...










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A brilliant start again Dave, as usual.

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Already, a ":wow" doesn't seem good enough, does it?

If the big uprights are wooden, how are you sticking them to the glazing, please?

Poop poop,

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Hi Doug im using Revell contacta glue for sticking the evergreen strip to the acrylic glazing (small blue bottle with yellow end and long metal tube).

 

 A bit more progress. I have cut all the foamex board for the base and stuck it all together with tape to give an impression of the finished box....







To give a bit of scale here's a couple next to a hornby 86..




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Just been catching up with this thread Dave and I have to say I'm really impressed with your buildings.  There are so many pointers to constructing buildings I may well venture into that dark world one day.  ;-)

Congratulations on some superb work.  You must have been absolutely elated receiving that letter.

I'll enjoy watching your next masterpiece taking shape.....:pathead

 

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Is it ordinary perspex you use Dave ?  If so, isn't it very "brittle" and difficult to cut ?  If it's the same stuff I've used in the past, it tended to shatter on the cut edge. :roll::roll::roll:

Oh - forgot to say - the new build looks great and you certainly put them together at a rate of knots. :thumbs

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No its clear acrylic sheet Peter. Its about 1mm thick and can be cut with sharp sissers although I normaly use a kinfe. :thumbs

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Right guys im having a few internet problems again so here is last nights progress.
First I cut out the window and door openings...



Next somthing realy cool. One advantage of the foamex board is that it can be carved just like a piece of wood so to hold the glazing in I carved out a slot...



The guys had requested frosted glass for the downstairs windows so this was appiled next..



Once the slaters brick sheet had the windows cut out it was glued in place. The glazing bars on the windows are done with silver grey vinyl to give an alluminum look...



To show the frosted glass effect I took a pic with the light behind..



Next the doorway was clad giving the base a bomb proof look....



The rest of the walls were then added...



The cabin was then placed on for effect...







One distintive feature of these boxes is the slope around the sides of the flat roof. This was done again by carving the foamex...



The door frame is now added with a rather cool looking door from a scalescenes kit..



Next the distintive window openings...





A couple showing how the flat roof fits under the cabin...





The last thing I did on the box was to build the handrails for the walkway and add the airbricks to the front but unfortunatly the pics are blured so I will take some more and upload later.

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Ok the missing pics....








More later...

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Last night I made the steps and im not kidding as the shop didn't have any pre made ones! My steps are made from some z shaped plastic strip that was cut into 12mm lengths and then glued together like...





Fortunatly I did manage to get some handrails. The newel posts were cut from 2mm square rod and the tops were shaped with a knife....





One of the off cuts of handrail was used to form a bracket under the walkway...







The top of the wall has also been added and the cabin has now been glued to the base....





The lower roof section has been cut to form a recess to accomidate any lighting..



More later provided that my internet stays on !!

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The construction method for the steps are a first class idea  Dave.

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Cheers I think that it's the service engineer in me coming out again you know adapt and overcome ! :roll: :lol:

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Once again this build is of a very high standard. Lovely, well done mate.

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Max I realy want to keep this one!!!

Ok did this mainly for my own personal amusement although it looks realy cool. Take one track diagram.....



Add a couple of leds and some bits of fiber optic......



Looks great when viewed through the box windows !

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Ok this is where I bring the box to life and have to confess that I will be realy sad to let this one go! First job with the interior is fit the floor....



Next we add the wooden cladding to the walls. Note the square tube in the corner for the lighting wires...





The built in storage cupboards under the windows are added next...





It's the little details that bring the box alive like the cooker and sink...





Oh yeh and the signal panel....





A couple of pics looking through the windows....







Now a spot of painting.....











The panel viewed through the windows...











Put big light on !!



Sloped edge to flat roof has come out ok..



And finaly a couple of the almost completed build.....





Just the door and roof to finish.

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really excelled yourself this time Dave, i would love to put that lit board in my boxes
but wrong era i`m afraid.

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Thanks Owen.  I blame you as you pointed me in the direction of the cheep fiber optic stuff. Kind of gets to you this liumininating malarkie !!

:roll: :lol: :cheers

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That looks fantstic mate, what a clever chap you are. Not to put a dampoer on it but i take it is computerised signal box, if i am correct are you putting a computor type desk in there or not. Sorry if i am spoiling it fior you, just wondered.

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Cheers Phill the box is a power box with all the signaling controls mounted on the track diagram panel. Could proberly do with a desk and a couple of chairs though. :thumbs

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Nice one Dave :doublethumblooks like another good seller

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another great build dave . love the lit panel looks fantastic .

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Thats brilliant Dave, lots of thought and detail into your models.

I had the same thought as Phill in that a computer control panel and some operator chairs would be the icing on an incredible cake.

Cheers

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You have forgotten the train describer though :twisted:

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And the light switch by the door. :roll: :lol:

My clients are sending some signalmen with the cheque so I will hold off putting the roof on untill they arrive next week. My next headache sorry job will be starting the support framing for this layout project that I will be building shortly. ;-)

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87 101 wrote: And the light switch by the door. :roll: :lol:

I didn't want to be picky :pathead

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Great job as usual Dave

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If your customer is not really super impressed with this signal box i would suggest brain surgery for him.

Extremely well done.

And i do hope you are charging plenty of dosh for this.

cheers Brian

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Expect some more progress in this thread soon as I have just taken another order for two platform shelters and a station platform building. The signal box is still sitting on the shelf requiring the door finishing off although im still awaiting the cheque to turn up !! I will also be starting the layout building project in the new year so all in all a positive start to 2010. ;-)

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Great to hear things are starting to move on Dave. :thumbs

Are these new orders as a result of the Jarrow Show ?

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Na this is a follow on order from the NSE station that I built. ;-)

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Glad to see your orders are coming in now Dave. Knew you could do it.

Just think of us when you become famous ok :thumbs and recall you was my favourite, :cheers

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Amazing stuff Dave!!! That lit-up signal diagram borders on criminal ingenuity.Absolute gem,mate.
You deserve every order you get...good on yer!!
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Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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I just hope you are pricing these items correctly and not giving them away. Time and skill aren't cheap by any means.

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Those are my concerns as well Bob.  It's no good being swamped with orders and only making £5 per order !!!

You make brilliant and unique stuff Dave - price it accordingly.  You don't actually want a flood of orders, you need a steady trickle giving you the time to make them and leaving a sensible margin otherwise,  you'll soon get sick of working under pressure for peanuts so that others can enjoy the fruits of your labours.

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Yesterday I had a nice supprise at work. As you all know I work part time as a handyman at our local Asda. Now those that know me will know that I will help anyone out regardless of the job. Recently I have helped a couple of the lasses out with taking down the christmas hanging displays and putting up the new stuff. Anyway with out going off topic yesterday I was given 17 brand new plastic end covers. These are large 1' x 4' sheets of clear plastic that are almost identical to the small sheets that I use for my buildings so now I have big stock of material for free !! I have also been offered some very large sheets of 2mm card aprox 6' x 4'.  :thumbs

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That can't be bad Dave. :thumbs

Everything comes to he who waits and it just shows what happens when you do someone a good turn. :cheers:cheers

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With two model shows comming up in March I thought it was about time I updated the website to include building projects to date. I have simplyfied the look slightly and added the extra pages although they will be replaced with the propper ones when time allows! :roll: :thumbs

 

http://www.westcoastminiatures.webs.com

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Great site, Dave.  Very easy to read.  Small layout fix, but easy to do.  Cheers.  Max  :thumbs

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I like that Dave - as Max said, easy to read and informative to say nothing of your superb models !! :thumbs

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Today I have finished off the second small waiting room and started on the platform 3 building.



This end of the platform 3 building is made up of three bays. Starting from the end closest we have the ladies toilets, gents toilets and the office...



The other end will be a waiting room...



To give the waiting room more depth the rear wall is covered with a mirror finish..



The bit in the middle will be open to allow placement of vending machines, etc. With the roof on, this area looked a bit dark so I have opened up a section of roof to allow some natural daylight in..



The roof has been glazed using clear corelux sheet..



The light now coming through is seen better here..


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This is again looking very nice mate.

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Todays update of last nights progress. First I sprayed thr basic building shell with grey primer.....



Next I built up the front wall starting first with the toilet doors and windows..





With the fascia board held in place the shape of the building comes to life..



The parcel office door is also built up from vinyl..





With the brickwork added...





NSE flashes on the fascia boarding..



The side of the parcels office has been fitted with a roller shutter door...



Toilet doors...



Building so far..







Work will now move on to the waiting room at the other end.

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That's both slick and quick Dave :thumbs:thumbs

Amazing what a difference a bit of paper makes.  I was struggling to see how you were going to carry on after fitting the doors.  It looks great.:cheers

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I must say the speed you build these things at is amazing, how long would you say it takes to get this far?

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Good question Phill.  If I take off the time for the paint and glue to dry not to mention endless cups of tea proberly about 2 hours. The foamex board is easy to work with and the real beauty of using the signwriting vinyl is that I get a high gloss painted finish that is self adhesive straight off the roll! I didn't even have to print off the brick sheet as I found four A4 ones in the spares box. The station building design that I use is very easy to build so that helps quite a bit. :thumbs

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Now that I have this months baseboards out of the way I thought I had better finish off the NSE platform 3 building. The left hand side is now a waiting room that will match the one on the previous building whilst the false wall in the middle now features three doors and a row of windows across the top.





















 

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That building looks the bees knees Dave :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs  Is the platform foam board ?

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Cheers Peter. No the platform is the old crappy hornby one that was origanaly outside in the garden hence it's a bit bent! I will get round to building a length of platform at some point so that I can photograph the buildings on for the website. :roll: :thumbs

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It may be "old crappy Hornby" but it doesn't look too bad at all when you ignore that tight curve. :hmm

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Im hoping to refit the platform back outside at some point when the weather improves ( the two weeks in may when the sun is out!). Carn't belive that it was trying to snow again today! :thud

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I think this one is the best one for me so far. I mean the other station was great but this one IMHO is the best out of the 2.

Like the false doors and the skylight. Who would of thought of those touch's well done mate.

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Thanks for all the comments I must admit that each building I do seems to get slightly better than the previous one. Well I do have a couple of unusal structures that will be coming up shortly including a very large platform canopy. To test my theory of how this canopy is built I will be building a small version of it shortly and will then modify it for use as a bus station that I can then use as an additional display at the shows. But first for somthing a bit different and not railway related. I while back I mentioned about making some of our local town centre buildings well today I have been experementing with Churchill house. This building was one of the first bits of our town centre completed and was origanaly the offices of the Aycliffe Development Corporation when the town was first built. The building later became the job centre and the offices of the DHSS before becoming empty. Today the building is due to be demolished along with the town clock tower that stands next to it. I thought that it would make a good background for the heatherburn so here is my efforts so far..









I still havn't decided weather to build the complete building or just the front although at 2' long it looks realy cool!

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Got a bit more done last night unfortunatly its slightly too big for 00 although I have some 'tall' 00 figures that look ok with it. I have decided then to finish the complete building including the clock tower and use it on my westcoast display at the shows, etc.



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That's another masterpiece coming along Dave. :thumbs

Very, very typical of those concrete and steel blocks resembling eastern Europe.  I wonder if they used the same architect ? :roll::roll:

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Very imposing building there Dave

You are certainly developing your craft well with the materials you use.

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Hi dave another great building comming along.they just get better and better cant wait to see it finished .

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With the two recent shows behind me I can get back to doing the west coast stuff. At the moment I have three projects in the pipeline. First is continuing with the second stage of building the manchester layout. The second will be a distintive station building for a YMR forum member and finaly once I have costed up the brass I will be building some OHLE for the Dunsyre exhibition layout that I did the signal box for. I also have the fiddle yards for the YMR set up to build so a busy couple of months coming up for me I think! I have just eddited the westcoast home page to try and stop the text from wrapping round but the website will be changing again when I get some free time as my dad has just registered the domain name westcoastminiatures.com and we will be hosting the site ourselves. Should be fun !! :roll:   

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After an uncertain couple of months im about to start another station building project this time in N gauge. Should be good practice for my trumptonshire layout ! The building will be similar the the origanal Shaftesbury NSE station building but finished in red brick with regional railways blue trim. One end will have a WHSmiths whilst the other end will be a waiting room. Now where did I put my glasses !!

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First progress pics on my latest project in N gauge!





This end will be a waiting room



This end will be a WHSmiths



overall view



underside showing the internal walls



with big brother!



this will be the fimilar entrance way



Going to bed now as my eyes hurt !!

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When I first started this build I didn't think that the building would look good in N gauge but thankfully it actualy looks better!











Just to prove the size heres my 00 gauge DBSO



With this build I have done a Jim and used double sided tape. Much easer and no glue marks! Now that I have the first wall done I will now do the other.

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Ladies and gents it gives me great pleasure to present Norton East....















I couldn't resist putting the building on my N gauge layout..


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Wow - that's a cracker Dave :thumbs

Well up to your usual standards.  Was it tough modelling at half size ?  I know there's no way I could work in "N" - unfortunately. :sad:

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My eyes feel a bit sore but apart from that it was actualy easer as the materials were thinner. This build I used Jims methord of double sided tape that speeded things up and TBH this is the best one I have done to date! It makes my 00 gauge stuff look very toy like in comparsion so now I will have to start detailing the 00 stuff better. The pics realy dont do the model justice as it has the usual finish like frosted glass panels, metal effect kick plates and chrome door handles. On the office door I found a way of simulating the blinds and even fitted the small private sign ! The layout that the building will go on will be based on the north east (hartlepool/teesside area) so the name Norton east reflects this ( Norton is also an area of Stockton). As the client is a member of RM Web im hoping that I might get a bit more exposure on there. Fingers crossed.

Now I have done my first N gauge building im seriously thinking of doing the Kidsgrove prototype building in N along with the signal box to display above potters lane at the shows. Im even tempted to build the whole station as a dirama or possably a working layout above one of potters lanes fiddle yards! :thumbs

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Next building on the westcoast workbench is for our very own YMR member Wheeltapper. Richard is planning to model Portishead station on the western region of BR. Earler in the year he sent me some pics of the station buildings and some basic plans that were origanaly printed in a copy of railway modeller from 1968! I did make a start on the project before it was temporaly shelved and was thinking of building the main station building as a demo for the westcoast exhibition display. I got as far as enlarging the RM plans from N gauge as printed to 00 and also aquiring some wills paving sheets for the distintive cladding. With three weeks to go to the show I thought I had better make a start this morning as I want to bring the building with me for display. This will be a very straight forward build of basicly a perspex shell overlaid with the window frames and stone cladding so wont take too long to assemble. Using the plans as a guide I have just marked out the shell and cut it out with a jig saw. One thing I have noticed about the plans is that one of the walls is slightly smaller than the rest so I will have to use a bit of modeling licence or we will end up with a lop sided building ! As a guide to the size of the building the plans scaled out as 14"x 2 1/4" with the width being 4". Pics later. :thumbs

 

Im sure that Richard will post somthing about the history of the building. ;-)

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Fascinating stuff.

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Ok this is what im attempting to build...





At the moment im having a rethink as to how im going to do it as the only refrence drawings I have are compleatly wrong! A closer inspection of the pics reveals that the building is made from an internal concrete frame similar to the large platform canopy. As far as I can make out the frame is a set of 8 upside down U shapes that also form part of the small canopy at the front. The windows are arranged in sets of three with the middle one opening out. My origanal plan will be modified to match the origanal building more closely than the inaccurate model that is in the railway modeller artical.


I dont have any good reference pics of the platform side of the building so if anyone has any please post! :thumbs

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Dave i googled portishead, it came up with what you need i think
only the copy link won`t work, it is a bbc  piece shows back side and front shots.

this is the link-BBC - Bristol - In pictures: Portishead railway

works now.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/bristol/hi/people_and_places/history/newsid_8064000/8064416.stm

Beat me to it, Owen.

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Cheers Owen I already have those ones. The more I study the pics the moreim convinced about the buildings construction. I am going to cut some 'concrete' frames from 3mm foamex and see what they look like. :thumbs

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87 101 wrote: Next building on the westcoast workbench is for our very own YMR member Wheeltapper. Richard is planning to model Portishead station on the western region of BR. 
 

Im sure that Richard will post somthing about the history of the building. ;-)


 

Well as we all know the speed that Dave works I had better do my bit otherwise he will have finished before I have started.:roll:

For those of you heading down the M5 to our show in Cornwall in a few weeks  you will no doubt have time to admire the views across to the Severn Estuary as the motorway crosses the Bristol Avon as its a notorious slow section. On the north bank of the Avon lies Avonmouth Docks , on the  south bank  lie the new Portbury Docks now rail served once again by a reopened Portishead branch.If you look across to the south west you may catch a glimpse of a glint of water about 2 miles away which was Portishead Docks and is now a marina.Until the coming of the motorway this area of North Somerset was difficult to access as the nearest crossing point of the Bristol Avon was the Clifton Suspension bridge some way up stream and the connecting roads were little more than country lanes .

So development of the area relied on the railways . First on the scene was the GWR who built their terminus at the end of a branch from Bristol Temple Meads adjacent to the docks. The second railway to arrive was the quirky Weston , Clevedon & Portishead Light Railway , one of the Col Stephens empire which had its much less grand terminus near the town centre  ( actually the station building was a wooden structure that would have been more at home in a municipal park) but which was connected to the GWR for the exchange of goods vehicles.

The docks developed a healthy trade in timber and chemicals and a large  power station was built next to the GW station with coal being brought in from the North Somerset coalfield. The railway had some workers and commuter traffic for Bristol and hoped to become something of a seaside resort for Bristol and the Midlands with attractions such as an open air swimming pool and boating lake were buit onthe "front".

In the early 1950s The Central Electricity Generating Board wanted to considerably extend the Portishead Power Station to meet higher demands but development land was not available  due to the topography around the docks . The only possible site was occupied by the railway station . They approached BR with an offer - sell us the station site and we will make a contribution of £250000 towards the cost of a completely new passenger station on a site nearer the town centre. Of course BR jumped at the chance as £250K was an awefull lot of cash in those days . Architects were employed and a design for an ultra modern station were drawn up , the first completely new station to be built in Britain after WW2  and which was to look rather incongruous with the trains using it being mainly former GWR Diesel Railcars , Pannier Tanks and the new Standard class 3 tanks. The station opened for business in 1954 and being paid for by the CEGB had the very latest new fangled fluorescent lights fitted . A fact BR regretted when they got the first quarterly bill and found it was bigger than the station receipts so had to remove over half the lights to afford to run the others. The station sadly only lasted ten years and was closed by Dr Beeching in 1964 . As a youngster we used to stay at a holiday home belonging to a relative just outside Portishead quite often so I got to know the station well and on one memorable occasion was allowed to sit beside the driver in a GW Diesel railcar for the trip down virtually the whole branch and actually drove the train into the platform at Portishead.

Cyril Freezer once described Portishead as the only modern GW terminus in captivity - it will be an interesting model to develop.

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Told you we would get a history lesson! :thumbs

Ok these were printed in the railway modeller and have been cropped. The first shows the entrance....



If you look closely you can make out the canopy streaching out behind the main building. The canopy is constructed using upside down U concrete sections...



The more I study the pics the more I think the station building was built the same. One thing I did notice Richard is that on the railway modeller plans the platform side is missing a window. If you compare the above left hand image with the plan the window looks like it is set into a timber framed panel between the door/window on the left and the main entrance on the right. For some reason the plan shows this as a plain stone wall.

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I knew Mike Farr who did the drawings back then and from what I remember of some of the stuff he did and what other people have said while I have been looking for information he was , shall we say in the nicest possible way, " a little free with the Modellers  Licence " as regards the prototype. I am therefore not that surprised the buildings photos dont match the drawings in some respects.

I have been back to a couple of contacts who have been helping look for info and one has come back today and said they think there is a possibility there maybe a full set of architects plans at York - anyone got any contacts there who may be able to find out ?

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That would not supprise me! It would be intresting to compare the proper plans with how I think the station was built. I have just cut out one of the platform canopy frames from 5mm foamex and it looks pritty good compared to the pics and also when place in front of the RM plans. Im just trying to work out the shape of the 8 frames needed for the station building as there are 3 different types. :thumbs

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I have been back through everything I have got and it looks as though the only other picture that shows the platform side of the building is the one with the Diesel Railcar W28W stood at the buffers but it doesnt show enough of the building to be of any help.

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After studying all the pics I'm fairly confident now of how the building was constructed and also how to replicate it in 00. There are 8 concrete frames in total that break the station building down into seven sections. The two outside frames are just U shaped. One of the frames has a support for the roadside canopy whilst the remaining 5 have canopy supports either side. I have cut out the odd one and one of the 5 so only 4 more to do. I have estimated the dimensions based on the pics available. Rather than make the outside structure from a single sheet of clear plastic as done on the RM model I will actually fit the walls into slots cut into the frames so that they match the profile of the original building. One thing I have noticed is that the wills sheet looks nothing like the original stonework so we will have to look for somthing closer. Pics later when I have cut all the frames out. :thumbs

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Ok a few piccys first here's the origanal RM plans..



My amended plan with the missing window..



Right this is how I think the building was put together....



Looking at the main entrance way..



Roadside view..



from above..





This is one of the platform canopy frames. The view is back into the booking hall..



again from above..



and for a size comparison a lima mk3..



Now that I have cut all the frames you can compare them with the pics of the real building. The frames look exposed between the windows but are hidden behind the stone cladding. The main entrance is recessed into them and they are more noticable on the pics of the platform side.

 

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On the subject of the RM drawings I would just like to put on record a special vote of thanks to another Forum member , Kaiser in South Africa . I was having difficulty in tracing the issue of the magazine in which they had appeared and Mel very kindly went through a lot of his back issues , found the article , scanned it and sent it to me to then pass on to Dave . Forum cooperation at its best.

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I think you have managed to suss out the construction technique brilliantly though I had not realised that looking from the platform side that main support beam in the booking office on the right had an extension for canopy support both on the platform and roadside.

I have been thinking about that missing window section on the plan and just wonder if it may be to do with the fact most of the photos we have come from the period of construction or soon after but the  site measurements for the plans as far as I have been able to ascertain were not taken till after the station closed some ten years later. In the intervening period there were many problems with subsidence on that side of the station (no-one having realised they were building on a marsh) so its possible that wall section had been rebuilt by the time the plans were drawn up.It will however look better as redrawn by you.

One question - the known width of the platform is 35 feet and the canopy support beams go platform edge to platform edge so does that equate to a scale equivalent on the model. ?

Looking Very Very Good so far   :thumbs

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Just mesured the platform frame at 147mm. 35 feet in 00 comes in at 140mm so not that far out ! :thumbs 

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When looking for info on the building I did find this on a forum..

http://www.bristol-rail.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1938

Would explain why the buildings on the platform are in different locations in the pics! Im not 100% sure of the canopy supports on the platform side of the station building so im just guessing that they would be the same as on the roadside. The ends of the canopy shown on the RM plan line up where the supports would be so I could be right? The one thing that I noticed is that some of the walls look like they are placed between the concrete supports just like the ones on the platform buildings. As you say the timber one with the window was proberly replaced later with a brick one to help and support the roof at that end. The other thing I have noticed is at the right hand end as you look from the road the plan shows 4 windows and a set of doors yet the pics show 3 long windows and no doors although the wall goes in to suggest that somthing was there. Again this section looks to be made of timber. This research is like solving a murder mystery ! :roll: :lol: :thumbs

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Having been trying to remember what I would have seen on the platform side of the booking hall when walking down the platform towards it . Problem is that as its over 50 years ago since I did it its somewhat difficult to remember .

I think though that the canopy started immediatly you came onto the platform from the. booking office and it was not cantilevered off the booking office in any way or was there any form of other roof than the canopy . I am almost certain those extension pieces were road side only.

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The only pic of the platform side that I have is this one of the railcar...



 The canopy can be seen just above the rear cab although it looks like it may have been of timber construction and proberly attached to both the platform canopy as well as the main building. It is shown on the RM plan and when I place the platform canopy frame where it should go everything lines up with what I can see in the pics. What I was thinking was to conceal the canopy supports on the platform side inside the canopy so that it will give the structure extra strength. :thumbs

When I found the other forum I did wonder if it was you!  
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Some of these photographers were very inconsiderate - if they had moved a few feet to one side we wouldnt be having all these interpretation problems  :lol:

Hiding the extensions inside the canopy for extra strength is a good plan ,you never know more info may come to light.

I could really do with finding somewhere that has archive copies of "The Architect" magazine  particularly the issue for March 1954 as I think that may solve many of the outstanding questions .I have even asked English Heritage if they know of anywhere but they were unable to help.

Sent you a pic this morning which may clarify the door /window query.

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Sol the pics have been put up by the B.B.C so i think they will now be   in the public domain.
could be wrong of course ?
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Yes I had a good look at the pic and the window in the panel can still be seen quite clearly. That platform looks a bit dodgy though! Im sure I read somewhere that the building was later converted to a garage. I wonder if that was when the wall was bricked up? The other thing that stands out is the removed lighting above the closed off section of platform. Im not 100% sure about the timber paneling as the pics arn't that clear so I dont know if the building had boards or sheet paneling. As at a guess based on the info available I would go for the sheet panels. Colours is another problem as most colour pics of WR stations show choc/cream paint schemes but a closer inspection of the main entrance shows a lighter shade on the inset panel below the windows. a lighter shade of brown perhaps. Here's the brown / cream vinyl that I have ..



The brown has a matt finish whilst the cream is a gloss.

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Owen, I was thinking more of those that have been scanned from Railway Modeller & post #327 above.

Whoops. :oops:

Point taken although technicaly speaking the pic in post 327 was taken by Richard of his worktop that just happened to have a book on it. :roll:

Best not to post any more up just incase as I dont want anyone getting into trouble although if anyone does have any more pics of this station building that they could email me they would be apreciated. ;-)

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The chocolate and cream paint that Western Region  used  often used to fade pretty rapidly and the cream was more often like an off white. Again in the absence of any alternative information I suggest we go with that.

The booking office did become a garage and we occasionally filled up with petrol there.

Most of the photographs were intended for the public domain as they were taken for publicity purposes for the British Transport Commission  (long since defunct) and are over 50 years old so someone would have to be pretty desperate to try to make an issue out of using them for research purposes. Might be different if we were making hundreds of copies and flogging them at a tenner each , so I  for one wont be losing any sleep over the issue.

 

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I remembered it was called Station Garage for a while and just googled it to come up with its now known as Waitrose Service Station , Station Garage , High Street, Portishead.

I  am just wondering if ....................?

But that really would be an incredible bit of luck and only two miles from a motorway junction you will be passing on the way to Cornwall.:lol:

Tried picking it out on Google Earth but no luck yet.

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I did find a recent pic but I'll better not post it. It shows a carpark and what looks like th back of a new supermarket. Might be worth a look on google though! :thumbs

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All traces of the station have gone and the site of the station building took some dective work but I have found it and it is indeed now a petrol station. Suprisingly I have found some of the track still in place nearby..

 

The location is by the roundabout at the botton of this pic. The line of the railway can be clearly seen..



Im assuming that these bridges were once part of the old power station..




This is looking towards the station site..



Another ariel shot..



This building finaly nailed to location of the station building as it sits in the background of the pic that looks down the platform..




This is the site of the station..





Ah well it was worth a try !! :thumbs







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It was definitely worth a try - when the garage was first opened - it was an Esso one as far as I remember - the  railway station booking office was the only building and was virtually unaltered for its new purpose.

Mind you the town has seen some phenominal changes since then  - it was little more than a village even when I occasionally worked there in the 1960s and now it loooks as though its a major commuter dormitory  town for Bristol,

I dont think the bridges are connected with the power station as that was sited alongside the dock where the marina is now. There was however a very extensive  rail system  for the docks snd the chemical plant of Albright and Wilson both of which installations had their own locomotives so it may be connected to that.

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Given the attendence of a couple of model mags at our show I thought it would be a good idea to do a couple of easy buildings to display above potters lane. The buildings I have decided to do are a signal box and station building both in N gauge and a lineside relay room in 00. Tonight I have scaled down the signal box to N gauge and drawn out a plan so that I can overlay all the glazing bars and brickwork tomorrow afternoon. Given that my deadline for compleating everything is thur 2nd sept that gives me 14 days to work with! Relisticly I wont have Richards station building finished in time for the show although I may still bring it as a work in progress. After studying the Portishead pics the building is not as straight forward as it looks and I would rather do the job properly than rush it! The scale plan of the signal box in N gauge however looks fantastic so it will be a great looking building when finished. If it is as easy to build as I think that it is going to be I might make a couple of varaitions to show other ways the box can be configured. :roll:  

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The only problem I have with working in N gauge (apart from eye strain!) is taking decent pics of the buildings when finished but just to prove that I have done the signal box here it is with its bigger brother..



Next on the list is an N gauge station building followed by a 00 gauge feeder station. :thumbs

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Im currently working on a couple of projects to put on display at the show. Here's a couple more pics of the N gauge signal box..







And here is todays project the matching N gauge station..





 

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Today I have managed to finish the N gauge station building..









Here it is with the signal box..



and to give an idea of size compared to the 00 stuff..



Next on the list is a feeder station.

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As always very professional looking, like it.

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Good heavens Dave - you can build these things faster than my computer can load the images !!!:shock::shock::shock:

Surely you can spare 5 minutes on the Friday to finish my module for me - I've got some screws !!!:cheers

Nearly forgot - great looking models and well up to the "WCM" standards (which must have been a pig to do in "N" gauge). :thumbs

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Cheers guys I actualy knocked the signal box up in around 3 hours !! :lol: Will be starting my next building project tomorrow a feeder station in 00 and maybe one in N. :thumbs

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87 101 wrote: Cheers guys I actualy knocked the signal box up in around 3 hours !! :lol: Will be starting my next building project tomorrow a feeder station in 00 and maybe one in N. :thumbs
Steady on Dave - he'll be wanting a discount next........:mutley:mutley:mutley  It must surely have taken at least 4 days of dawn till dusk toil and that was AFTER the 3 weeks of research and with the rise in oil prices, have you any idea what the does to perspex costs.......:shock::shock::shock::cool wink:cool wink

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Seriously the signal box was very easy to build. First I drew out the basic plan on paper then just placed the clear acrilic sheet over the plan and stuck on the vinyl strips. Once I had done all the sides I just glued it all together. It still needs a set of steps so im just hoping that they have some at the Stockton modeller on sat. :thumbs

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Ok next on the 'hit list' is one of these..



will be starting work this afternoon once I get my asda job out the way. Two days left untill my hols YEHAHHH !!!

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So far I have only managed the front wall of the feeder station building....









 
Im not 100% sure about the proportions of this building as the pics I have to work from arn't that great! I have a feeling that the walls are too high but I will have a better idea when the rest of the walls are done.

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My guess would also be that the walls are slightly too high Dave - it looks a little more "dumpy" than the one in the photo but what the hell, it's a great start.

How did you do the little windows at the top ?  Is it a print-off stuck onto the acrylic sheeting ?  Looks very good. :thumbs

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The wall is built up of 1mm card overlaid on to some clear plastic sheet. Both the card and the clear plastic were 'freebies' from asda. The top windows are just strips of light grey vinyl stuck to the clear plastic shell. It's the height that im not sure about as the only pics I have are google earth ones. I estermated the buildings size by using a scalescenes door. A closer look at the pic of the real building shows that the building is actualy taller as there is a metal girder laid in the fore ground. I have tried the wall section on the layout and it looks ok when compared with stock and other buildings so I suppose I will just have to see how this one turns out. At least if I have to make another I will know how they go together now!

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Yes I agree - to mye eye the walls are a bit high, but it wouldn't worry me.
Love the N station buildings :thumbs

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Cheers Gaz looking forward to starting our new project after the show ( need to start a thread hint hint !!). :lol:

Hi Mike having tried the building next to some 00 stock last night the height looks ok. I was going to fit a 10mm thick roof as the prototypes had quite thick ones but I think that I will get away with using 5mm foamex so not to exagerate the height any more. :thumbs

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How much are you knocking out the n gauge buildings for,Dave??

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A bit more progress on the feeder station building..





With the roof fitted the proportions of the building are starting to look better or put another way im a lot happer with it ! 













I just have the end wall to finish now.

 

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The completed feeder station building..





Im starting to miss that garden railway !!

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Blimey you dont hang about do you, looks great mate :cheers

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Well not only can I produce a feeder station building in N gauge it looks quite good as well !









My line up of buildings for my display looks quite good now..





 

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I shall be asking you to build me something at the show, engine shed is what i am after, shall discuss at the show mate.

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Well one of the highlights of the show for me was meeting Ben Jones of model rail who realy liked my buildings so much in fact that he is thinking of doing an artical on how to model the west coast main line with a plug for my website !! :cool: Anyway my order book is starting to fill up at the moment with my main problem now being lack of funds to buy some much needed equipment to do the jobs. One of the problems that I have with the foamex sheet is getting straight cuts using a knife so I have been looking into getting a band saw. This would speed up the building process and also improve the quality of the finished building so it is definatly worth me investing in one. I just wish that the tax and test wern't due on my car ! :sad: On a more positive note I will be doing some work at my brother in law's signwriting place over the next couple of weeks so that meens more supplies of building materials and extra funds. Today I mentioned to him about another business idea custom made control panels. Now he has the latest version of the signwriting software my idea can now become a reality. I plan to produce model railway control panels as a jpeg image and then he can print them off and mount them to clear perspex sheet. These can then be backlit as required and hopfully the finished panel should resemble the ones found in real signal boxes. :cool: :thumbs 

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That control box idea is brilliant Dave .who wants to stop work on the main layout to bxxxxr about with a control box. Tell us more when you have it sorted.:thumbs

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I'll second exactly what Reg said Dave - when you've got some ideas, let me know too. :thumbs

Glad you enjoyed the show - you and your team did sterling work with the modules - and that the order book is filling up. A plug from Ben Jones could well mean you'll have to buy another book. :lol::lol:

If you go back a few months, I seem to recall a few people telling you to have a go...................:roll::roll::roll:  Let's hope this is the seed of something big.:cheers

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Christrerise wrote: Just make sure you do not undersell yourself and charge a proper price for these models Dave.

One advice Chris forgot and thats dont mention the D word, he never did at the show :thumbs:mutley

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That BiL's Signwriting equipment could prove very useful for your work, Dave.
Perhaps another string to your business with mass produced signs and labels.

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Christrerise wrote: Just make sure you do not undersell yourself and charge a proper price for these models Dave.
Dead right Chris - to undersell is just a fool's game and the only winner is your customer.

You MUST get these prices right Dave - "hobby job" or not.  If not, you'll end up going like a train just to put a slice of bread on your table - you're not doing it for fun, you're doing it for money.  There's plenty of people (leaches) waiting in the queue to take their slice long before you get what's left (if any !!!)

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    :Red Card:Red Card:Red Card Could you lot please wait till after Dave has done my buildings for me to tell him to up his prices .:twisted::twisted: :mutley

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:hmm  :hmm  :hmm  :hmm ................

 

Actualy I wonder if he can print off backscenes on his printer.....might investergate this further. :thumbs 

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    :Red Card:Red Card:Red Card Could you lot please wait till after Dave has done my buildings for me to tell him to up his prices .:twisted::twisted: :mutley

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I'm sure there would be a small discount for YMR members Richard. :cheers

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I thought we wern't suposed to mention the 'D' word or is that just near a certain shop in Cornwall ! :lol: :thumbs

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It's just in Cornwall Dave - you know how generous Northerners are.....................................:roll::roll::roll::roll:

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And I thougt you were genuine yorkshire man !!! :lol: :thumbs 

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87 101 wrote: And I thougt you were genuine yorkshire man !!! :lol: :thumbs he is, did you see him at the bar? i think not !!!

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After much pratting about on the PC with anyrail I found that the only way to get what I wanted was to try and do it myself so what do you think ...?



 
In all honisty this is about a quarter of the size of the real panel. Not sure about how a double slip is done properly??

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Dave,

What do the different track colours represent ?

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From the pics I have seen of real boxes the running lines are marked out with either brown/green stripes or blue/yellow ones. Im hoping that one of our signaling guru's can give me some pointers as I realy want the finished panel to be an accruite miniature of the real thing (minus the train discribers!). Once finished I will get it printed and mounted to the underside of a sheet of perspex.

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The different colours generally represent each track circuit.  I am not sure if there is a standard colour as I seem to remember quite a few different ones over the years.  What was standard is that when a route has been selected it is illuminated by a row of white lights, which change to red as the train progresses.  If the panel has a train describer built in then the headcode would also move along each track circuit as the train progresses.  I will look around and see if I have any pictures of signal panels later.

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A couple of panels for you, first up West Hampstead




followed by Forders Sidings




The above gives two double slips and one single slip which should be helpful, as well as showing an AHB level crossing.

Then a couple of NX panels, first at Immingham



Next unidentified



I wish I had kept better records of some of my pictures.  The above is the more common colour of panel that I remember, somebody obviously liked the green shades!  It has a level crossing with full barriers at each end, monitored from this signal box as you can see the CCTV switch above them.  I think it must have been somewhere along the line to Cleethorpes as I did visit a lot of signal boxes on that route years ago.  It is a little like Grimsby Town, but there is no station shown on the panel.

Wherever, hope it helps.

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Cheers Chris the Immingham panel is similar to the look im going for. When my BIL does a window graphic I think that the design gets printed in reverse onto clear vinyl and then 'backed' with white so that it can be applied to the inside of the window. I will be doing the panels similar but I think instead of white background a light grey would look better. I will chat to him tomorrow about this. I think that my next step will be to print off the test panel full size on to paper to check if all the switches will fit, etc.

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A bit more 'tweeking' of the panel...



 
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I have printed out the panel to roughly the correct size so I can check the position of switches, etc. The station building is for scale..





Im short of black ink in the printer so I think that is why the background came out light blue instead of grey although it looks similar to a pic of kings cross box! :thumbs

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After taking a good look at the printed panel I spotted a big 'boo boo' with the black rectangles that represent the train discribers. On a real box they are all mounted square with the panel so I had to amend mine so that the two I had positioned on the through lines followed the real thing so here we have version three...



 

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Version 4 and I think I have nailed it !!



 

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I hope your planning to charge plenty for this service Dave it looks like a lot of potential man hours to do custom ones of these.

In fact dont be surprised if network rail dont contact you to do some for their actual signal boxes:lol::lol:

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Have to say ,its looking very good Dave, Your not far off going commercial with your talent. Good Luck mate .:thumbs

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A small update tomorrow im going shopping for my bandsaw !!   :mrgreen:  Thanks to getting this months installment from the piccadilly project and also finaly managing to sell the loco's and stock from the DCC set I bought I now have enough cash to go and get the saw then I can make a start on the long list of projects that I have now racked up ! One of the main reasons for getting the saw is so I can get straight edges when cutting the building materials. Today I recieved a bag of farm animals from one of the women at asda that will help me to get the size right of the farm that I will be building for her grand daughter for christmas. Knowing how the women talk at work I wont be at all supprised if I get a few other jobs making toys if I make a good job of this one! This morning I also recieved another enquiry about a signal box and someone has even asked about me doing another coach - EMU conversion! So far at the last count I have 9 buildings to build, 2 possable follow on structures an EMU conversion and maybe another signal box. :thud:thumbs

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Dave, I am really pleased to hear things are starting to take off.
I know your persistence will pay off in the end.
BTW I like the panel, looks really good.
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... and with the speed you do things Dave, it won't be long before you put a couple of small factories in China out of business.

Have at 'em mate.

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keep it going mate the future is bright ...

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My new baby is here !!! Will post a pic later when I have made space on the workbench. :mrgreen:

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So i take it my ickle project will be started soon then :hmm:mutley

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87 101 wrote: My new baby is here !!! Will post a pic later when I have made space on the workbench. :mrgreen:
That was posted at 6.48 Standard European Time !!

Have you cut your fingers off ?  Where's the pictures..................?????  Not like you to take more than 10 minutes. :roll:

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Got side tracked !! Here you go...



Must turn PC off now and do some work !!

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Yep! TBH the one that I was looking at in screw fix looked a bit 'plasticky' so I decided to invest in somthing a bit better. Cuts 10mm thick foamex like a knife through butter. :twisted: Just having a look on the internet for some ideas for this toy farm that I have to build. :roll:

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In my book it's always right to get the best you can afford Dave and sometimes you've got to push yourself to get it. This looks like a very solid investment and I'm glad your starting to move in the right direction. Good luck mate.:thumbs
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Now that looks nice, you be carefull you read the HS instructions ok, :pathead

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87 101 wrote: Think I still have my hard hat somewhere in the garage !! :roll: :lol: :thumbs
If you need to get that close Dave, you need glasses !!!  It's "hard" fingers you need although I did read somewhere that bandsaws were one of the safest workshop tools.

Ralph (Fishplate) did a great post on setting one up somewhere - I'll see if I can find it.

It's here :  .http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=4843&forum_id=35

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After a few weeks break work has recomenced on Portishead station building. Thanks to the new bandsaw I have been able to split the support frames so that they can be glued either side of the exterior walls. When assembled the support frames should look like they are still one piece. Pics later. ;-)

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Not so much on my workbench but more like on my PC ! Started work on the new westcoast website this afternoon and have just emailed the first test page to my dad who is hosting the site for me. The new site when finished will be located at http://www.westcoastminiatures.com There have been many devlopments with the way that westcoast is going its about time I got the propper site done. If you do check it none of the buttons work yet just the contact link. :roll: :thumbs

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Portishead is looking nice Dave and that bandsaw looks like a serious piece of kit. Good on you :thumbs

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Thanks Ian Portishead is proving to be an intresting build ! I still need to source some sutiable cladding for the building as the wills stuff I got looks awful. I have had a few teathing troubles with the bandsaw but I think I now have everything sorted. :roll: :thumbs

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With the new listing the the exhibition circuit and the capital investment in machinery Dave, it seems WCM is starting to make itself known in the model railway world. :thumbs  "Good on ya" !!!

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I just have to keep moving forward Peter. ;-)

Last night I got the basic website structure sorted all 35 pages of it !! The site will have lots more photos and will be more user friendly than the present one. This time I have split the site up into sections rather than have links to everything on the first page so for example if you click buildings you go to the buildings page where there are individule pages for signal boxes, relays rooms, etc. Im hoping to have all the basic pages done by this afternoon so I can take them round to my dads for loading to the server. Now that I have got my head round the software im using its much easer to build pages than the old way. Mind you I didn't get to bed untill 2.30 am !! :thud

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With the new website done (still needs uploading) I have reverted back to the portishead build. I still need to find where to get the stone cladding from. Any ideas ??  

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Have you looked at Slaters Dave - or even Scalescenes if you don't need 3D cladding............:roll::roll:

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Need's to be 3D Peter. I did get some wills crazy paving a few months ago but it looks totaly wrong and the Stockton modeller is a bit limited these days !! I will post some pics up later as im on the 'workshop' computer at the moment. ;-)

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A few pics to prove that I am still working on the Portishead project...











 
The top windows are mocked up as im still trying to get the overall look right although I think that given the limited information its not far off. Shame about the cladding though ! Actualy I think I have seen a wall like that on a motorway service area....hummm now there an idea....... :roll: :thumbs 

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I see what you mean about the cladding - I think part of it is that the individual stone sizes look too big compared with the cladding in the prototype pictures . In the absence of anyone doing a limestone cladding I wonder if the "crazy paving " is available in say 2mm scale and if that would improve the look ?

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Im sure that I have seen somthing suitable somewhere I just carn't remember where !! :lol: :roll: Studying the pics the wall has a kind of cotswold dry stone wall look about it. I did think about experementing with that das clay that everyones going on about. I will keep looking for the cladding. The overall look of the front wall looks about right when compared with the pics although the platform side will be slightly free lance as I only have the RM plan to go off. Also with no colour pics of the building im having to guess the colour scheme.  

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I presume they used limestone as it was available from the local quarries but even the original builders had problems with the cladding and a master  mason was brought in and trained eight (?) men in the technique used which caused no end of problems with the construction timetable.

Its not that an unusual material to be used in building so I wonder if one of the architectural model companies could suggest a source ?

I am still looking for colour pictures - the problem being that  colour was still relatively expensive in those days and most railway photographers concentrated on locomotives as few realised the infrasructure would vanish in a couple of years.

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Is this more suitable?

Wills Coarse Stone Sheet.

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Or this:

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The Wills course stone sheet is unfortunately too uniform in appearance .

The  Wills random stone is nearer the mark and from the illustration looks better than Slaters equivalent  random stone (sheet 0421)

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The only others I have come up with are two from the Faller range of Wall Sheets .

Faller 170610 Natural Stone and 170627 Natural Stone . The latter may  be the better of the two.

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That first wills sheet looks not far of DD the second wills sheet is the one I got. If you study the wall there are definate straight courses of stonework so im going to experement using some milliput on the stuff I have.

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This may seem a couple of silly ideas, but...

If the panels of cladding are standard sizes, you could either a) get a selection of them etched in brass, or b) make a few masters and then cast a mould for making them in resin.

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With a bit of milliput on the wills cladding that I had I have managed to get somthing that looks not far off the prototype...



 After studying the pics the cladding looks like it was laid in strips and the stone work is very square in apearence near the doors and at the end of the building. I have scribed the strips in and squared up the stone work at the ends and when compared to the prototype pics I think I have it. Now I just need to know the colour although im sure I read somewhere that the cladding was a pinky colour ??

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The black and white pictures of the real station seem to suggest there were a number of colours used although a well known Somerset colour for limestone is honey . Will have a look through for the reference to pink - cant say I remember reading that one.

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Im sure it was inthe RM artical. Im on the workshop computer so I will check the main pc downstairs next time I switch it on. :thumbs 

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Hello dave ,just seen the new site looks great very well done and i hope it gets you some orders.

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This afternoon I have been building baseboards.....










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The client has got some trestles that the layout will be sitting on. The metal corners were an after thought as my local wickes (diy shop) were selling packs of 4 for £1.58. They will help to keep the frame ridged and have holes drilled in the middle that I suppose I could attach legs to if required. The baseboard top is 6mm ply. This might sound a bit thin but the client will be overlaying the ply with sundela board. I had an email from him last night after I sent some pics of the baseboards. Aparently he knows someone down in exeter who is intrested in WCM so I will take some business cards with me on saturday when I deliver the boards. :thumbs

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Yesterday I made a start on building a toy farm for one of the ladies I work with at Asda. So far I have cut out the base and made a start on the barn/stable walls. Construction is from 6mm MDF sheet and the build is realy testing my skills ! As the farm will be a christmas present for a toddler it needs to be strong yet I carn't use any screwes or nails to hold everything together. I have therfore been using the bandsaw to make finger joints for the end of the walls so that they will interlock and give the buildings more strength. Im hoping to get the rest of the walls cut today so possably some pics later. :thumbs 

 

For those following the Portishead build the doors have now been painted black and the panels red ( yeh it looks strange !) Work will resume on the building once I have these two woodwork jobs out of the way. ;-)

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Got the farm painted last night so now I just have to cut out the roofs. This morning I picked up my RTV silicone from the post office so this morning I will be making the mold for the 312 EMU cabs. Today I also have to finish off the baseboards as I still need to drill the holes in the ends for the fixing bolts so that I can deliver them to the customer tomorrow. After dropping the baseboards off we are planning to go and see my relitives in Stoke. I just hope I can remember the short cut over the moors from Bakewell to Leek ! :roll:

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Never made it to Stoke as 1 I didn't feel up to the extra drive and 2 I was bidding on some lima 117 coaches on ebay and the bidding was up at 8.30 ! Been a good day as my customer was realy pleased with his new baseboards. Now he can start on his new layout based on the yorkshire section of the ECML in steam days. I supplied him with four 4'x2' baseboards but when I saw the plan that is just a small corner of the finished layout ! I have also been asked to build an overall roof based on York for this first section. When I got in the mold for the 312 cab has set and has now been left to fully cure overnight before casting the first cab tomorrow. Finaly I was sucessfull in aquiring the 117 coaches thanks to a last minute bid in the closing seconds. The plan is to fit class 304 cabs to both of the centre cars and remove the cab from the 117 driving trailer. The bogies will be replaced with bachmann thompson style ones. The unit will either carry blue/grey or regional railways livery. :cool: :thumbs

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Now that I have some more pics of Portishead I have been able to backdate the railway modeller plan of the building as a garage to what it would have looked like when it was actualy a station !!



 
As a result I have at last been able to build the rear wall of the building....








Unfortunatly when I pealed of the backing sheet from the clear acrylic I noticed some scratches right across the lower windows. Typical my camera wont pick them up !









 
Not even from the inside



The repainted front doors




After trying to piece together all the info over the past few months the building is finaly starting to fall into place











The black panels have been done using emery paper to give them the rough finish that the prototype building had.  



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Dont worry Dave - I promise to take my glasses off each time I look at the back wall or as I said we put it down to subsidence as on the real station. Glad the new photos were of assistance.

Coming on well ! Very pleasing :thumbs

Currently following up another lead - this time for Wiltshire History Centre who may have documents dated around 1952 relating to a new station to be built in North Somerset . Will keep you informed.

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Sounds intresting Richard. Question is though now that I have pieced together all the info and produced the rear wall are any more memories of the real station coming back ? :thumbs

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From my point of view then it all looks very familiar but no actual detail as yet but then it was 55 years ago.

However several people  , organisations and web sites who I have spoken to in the course of research have said they would like to see pictures of the model when its getting near a finished state as that may help them or their members/ users to recall additional information.

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Meanwhile back at Portishead the station escaped the closures. Seen here during the summer of 1975 a local refurbished DMU arrives at the station...



Whilst outside a National coach belonging to South West awaits passengers..








The wide centre platform can be seen here in this view..





















A usefull pic showing how the station building looks on a 600mm (2') wide board...

 









 I have to say that this building has got to be the most complicated that I have built to date so much for it being a perspex box taking a couple of days !! :roll: However the extra research has given me the chance to recreate this important modern building as acurately as possable. There is still much to be done like fitting the internal lighting, drain pipes, etc but as you can see the basic shell is now finished.

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I reckon its up there with the best of them Dave. Have to sort my project out when i can Dave, the one we discussed at Cornwall.

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Not so much on my workbench but more location of said workbench as the weekend was spent swapping the spare bedrooms round. The new room is a vast improvement on the old one or it will be when I have sorted it out ! The big advantage is that I now have my main PC up here now so I have access to the printer and all my pics instead of having to keep going up and down the staris like last week when I was working on Portishead. The new L shape workbench is big enough to fit potters lane on so that will come in handy when I start the rebuild. Work on Portishead has come to a tempory standstill as I need to find some 1k resistors for the led lighting. I know I have some but in what box is anyones guess !! :roll: 

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Just sold my first set of 312 cab ends so im having a good day !! :thumbs

Right Portishead the saga continues....

Got my dad to pick up some 1k resistors yesterday for the stations led lighting. In total 17 leds have been fitted and it looks great when lit up! One problem I had was the thickness of the canopys with regards to fitting the resistors. The soloution was to fit a couple of 'resistor banks' in the stations roof and then use thin wire that can be hidden under the roof covering.











The canopy lighting has been 'toned down' by painting round the leds with black paint. Actualy now they have been painted the leds resemble the prototypes light fittings!   



Now the lighting is installed the roof can be fitted. I have used black emery paper for the roof as it resembles the roofing felt that the real building proberly had laid over the concrete roof. Although none of the pics we have show the chimneys very well the origanal RM artical mentiones them and makes reference to using the old triang ones so it just so happens I had a pair that I cut down on the bandsaw...




The position of the chimneys I estimated from a pic of the RM model. I still have the roadside canopy to finish + a few internal walls to fit but I think we are almost there. :thumbs 

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Can you turn half the lights off, like BR did after they got the first electricty bill :mutley

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That really does look good,,,,,I bought, [aargh, I've said it now, keep going, no-one will notice,,,] some LEDs and some resistors at Kernow, I really will have to have a play with them. Thinks....I wonder if they'll put up the lekky bill?


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Where there's a will, there's a way Dave.  :thumbs

The lit up buildings look great.  Ever thought of retiring to the steam era ?  I'm sure there would be some takers for that era. :roll:

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that is fine build Dave, I think the lights really set it off,  like the way you have used banks of resisters,
must keep that one in mind for future use, :doublethumb

now about Thornaby station......:pedal:mutley
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Hi Peter Portishead was the steam era as the station was only built in the mid 50's and shut before the end of steam!

Thornaby ehh.... is there somthing you are not telling us Owen. :lol: 

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87 101 wrote: Hi Peter Portishead was the steam era as the station was only built in the mid 50's and shut before the end of steam!

Thornaby ehh.... is there somthing you are not telling us Owen. :lol: 

Hmm.  That's not the sort of station I had in mind Dave.  More along the lines of York or even Darlington or Newcastle.  Those wonderful Victorian stations when architects and designers had vision.   :roll::roll:    :pedal   

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Well I will be building an overall roof for an LNER layout sometime next year if that counts. :roll: :lol:

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Thornaby station, a unique one off  Victorian building, that some pratt in br wrote off out of hand.
a modelling dream, if I dare take it on ????

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no photo`s yet but here is a link that might help,

http://rememberwhen.gazettelive.co.uk/2010/04/thornaby-railway-stationthen-a.html

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Wow what a waste !! Reminds me of when they demolished Bishop station in 1986. Some of the features look similar to Darlington mainly the window frames. Will have to investergate further. ;-)

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http://rememberwhen.gazettelive.co.uk/2009/06/the-jewel-on-the-line.html

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A little bit more progress on Portishead this afternoon I have had a go at painting the stonework.
















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Now that the notice boards are on the building is realy starting to look like the prototype.....










I was going to leave the poster boards blank but after downloading the scalescenes western region station signs I couldn't resist !




Now some night pics for the website...
















Like all my buildings I will be sad to see this one depart for its new home but I will have the building for a while yet as Richard has requested that I build the first 2' section of platform and the canopy before sending it off in the new year.

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This afternoon I have made a start on the platform and canopy. Richard has requested that I build the first 2' of platform and canopy so to start with I marked out the 2' on the bench and then used the railway modeller plan of the platform buildings to determine the spacings of the canopy supports. This has worked out at 6 support frames so these have all been cut out on the bandsaw from 5mm thick foamex sheet. To give everyone an idea of the size of the canopy I have counted 12 supports between the booking hall and the platform buildings so this in 00 gauge will be about 4'. The platform buildings will be about a foot long then there are another 11 supports to the end of the platform so a rough guess the total length will be about 9 feet !! Heres a few pics of the support frames in position on the scale 35' wide platform. The first two I have tried to recreate the pics of the prototype starting with a look down the centre of the platform




This is the same shot as one of the recent pics we have recieved of the missing corner




Looking down the other side




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To put things into perspective I mocked up the station with some stock













Some of you will remember the pic of the GWR railcar. By studying the pics I have managed to position a piece of scrap foamex in roughly the same spot as the wooden box next to the railcar. Then I placed a driving trailer in roughly the same place to get..




Humm just enough room for the buffer stop me thinks !






And finaly a scale person..



After seeing this long lost station come to life on my workbench I can say that this is going to be a stunning exhibition layout when finished. :thumbs   

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Forgot to mention Richard that the points for the run round loops will just fit nicely on the edge of the second board. :thumbs

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Very busy week this week as I need to fit the control panel on Manchester Piccadilly on thursday. Would help if I had actualy started building it !! Biggest problem was the artwork as I origanaly did it in microsoft picture it but the finished size was too small and looked awful when enlarged. Last nightI bit the bullet and spent 4 hours redrawing it in serif page plus 11 as this would allow me to draw it full size. At least next time I do one I will know how to do it !! Ok as I have done the new artwork full size I have had to print it off and pin it to the wall !! Top is the old one bottom the new..



A couple of pics of the new one. The white dots will be the location of the point switches the black dots the signal switches.





Since printing off the newer version full size I have now modified the artwork. Hopfully I can get the panel printed onto photo paper today and laminate it between two sheets of clear sheet ready for fitting on thursday. Friday I will be delivering the farm so this too needs finishing off before then. Portishead now has a basic canopy glued together but I carn't go any further untill I get the leds for the lighting as these have to be installed first.  

 

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That new panel looks very professional. :thumbs

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New panel graphic looks very tidy Dave.

I notice you have a double slip with the switch locations marked on the curved routes. As a matter of interest how are you going to switch the 2 sets of blades and sort the frog polarisation?

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Dave what are you printing that on is that bits of A4 selotaped together or have you got a roll of continuous A4 width paper that goes in the printer?
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Cheers guys.

Brian the origanal idea was for my BIL to print the panel onto vinyl so that it could be stuck to the back of clear sheet. Unfortunatly this now wont be happening so a plan B is in order. Basicly I will now be printing the artwork on to A4 photo paper then laminating the artwork between two pieces of clear sheet. Hopfully the nuts on the switches will hold the two halfs together.

Dave all the points use seep motors with the built in switches. They are all being wired via relays so that one push button will throw the point either direction. Tri colour leds are being fitted to show the points direction ie red / green. The slips are insufrog and are being treated as two points. Everything will become clearer once the panel is wired.

Well this afternoon I finished tweeking the artwork by adding a blue box in the bottom corner. This has the westcoast logo on and also the lighting switches and transverser reversing switch + power leds marked on. I have even included an emergancy stop button that will dump the power feeds to the track if required. I have just been down to 'site' to last minute check the artwork size before I print off the finished version tonight. :thumbs

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Well the control panel has been assembled and looks realy cool! Shame I ran out of push buttons though. Will post some piccys up later when i've finished wiring up the leds. Talking of leds I have just ordered 60 white ones so that I can continue with Portisheads canopy over christmas tellys normaly rubbish anyway !! Took Portisheads booking hall into work this morning to show nsegaz as well as the panel. Everyone who has seen the building so far have said it looks realy good. :thumbs 

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I've just used up a lot of time, I can't say how long but it was light outside when I started, looking through this thread and have to say there is some outstanding work done there Dave. Keep it up and you'll soon be rich :shock:

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A couple of progress piccys of the panel..



The light can be seen reflecting off the panels clear plastic surface





More later when I have finished wiring it !

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I've seen this before.....there were lots of chaps sat around it, and they were controlling a nuclear power station.....:lol:


Very impressive, a very good 'ad' for the service,


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That really is really, really, really good, David.  10 Brownie Points - Oh, and a koala stamp.  :thumbs

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Dave it looks really smart.

Is there a specific reason why each track section is a differant colour or did you just do that to make it look more snazzy?

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Hi Brian all the prototype panel pics I have seen show the lines in different colours so I have just copied what I have seen. The up lines use brown/green and the down lines use blue/yellow. The panel switches will be painted once the panel has been fully wired and tested so that all the point control switches are one colour and all the signal switches a different one. I did manage to wire up the first seep point motor and it works as intended using one push button and a relay. The only problem I have is getting the switches on the seeps to work corectly. I did make one of Doug's pegs but I still had problems positioning the seep. I have a cunning plan however to cut mounting slits at each end so that I can slide the seep up and down between the mounting screws to get the switch opperation working as it should. :thumbs 

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one of the members had the same prob with his seep motors, he just left the screws a little loose
so it could move a bit.

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Hi, I don't know if you saw another of my posts, it might have been in my Bear's End post to do with the double slip, but I eventually solved the contact problem by loosening off the screws holding the motor in place. Allowed to float a little, the base plate budges fractionally allowing the contact to make far more reliably.

It sounds perverse, but I discovered that a 3mm countersunk head screw in the 3.5mm mounting hole is just right when left loose! Having discovered it, I went back, removed each screw, put a little PVA into each hole on the end of a straightened out paper clip and replaced the screw all bar the last 1/2 turn.

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That absoluitely looks like the bees knees Dave. :thumbs

I sense as few enquiries coming your way once that's "out and about" ..............:roll:

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Thanks guys yes the panel has caught a few peoples attention! Im hoping to pop down the Nigels this afternoon to modify the seeps. The problem I had was that the point motors pcb was hitting the baseboard frame so I cut the corner off. Unfortunatly every time I tried to reposition the motor the screws would go in the same holes in the baseboard ! The mod to the seeps should only take a couple of mins but by cutting a slot at each end the seep can then be slid up and down between the screws untill im happy with the switch opperation. The switching arangement of the coils through the changeover relay works great though with each point being controlled from a single push button.

This morning I delivered the farm to a very happy customer. This caused a bit of intrest in the staff canteen so I will have to add another section to the website for childrens toys as I think I will be making a few more of these next year. Will post some pics up of the farm later. :thumbs

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...but why don't the train describers work on that control panel? :mutley

Proper job, Dave :thumbs

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Here you go guys one of the finished farm...




The roofs on the buildings lift off for easer access to the insides. :thumbs

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Another neat bit of work Dave. Simple and effective. I bet someone is going to be very pleased with that in a weeks time.

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I want one................:thumbs:thumbs

Looks great Dave.  I can also see bright eyes next weekend !!!!

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Hello Dave,
For Control Boards and Lay-out wiring how much advance warning do you require when taking bookings. This electrical power-control work looks fantastic. I also need to look into electrically-controlled semaphore signals in both OO and N Gauge,
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Thanks guys yes I think that little lad will be well pleased with it next wekend. Michael just give me a shout nearer the time then we can get together and sort somthing out with regards to electrics. I havn't done anything with semophores but I have seen some servo driver boards that we could use to opperate the signals. :thumbs

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With Christmas now out the way and my workroom now better organised attention has again returned to Portishead this time the platform canopy. This is going to be one big structure when finished ! So far 7 support frames have been cut out of 5mm foamex and glued to the top roof section and underside of the outside bits. 12 x 1.8mm white leds have been fitted to the outside sections and just await wiring when I work out where to hide the resistors! The top of the canopy will have to be built using modellers licence as I only have one pic of the top that I carn't enlarge very well. I am fairly confident however that I can build somthing close to the origanal. Today I have had another baseboard enquiry this time for someone in Durham so I expect to be busy over the next couple of weeks. :thumbs 

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Good news about the baseboard order Dave. :thumbs  If they keep coming in like this, you'll be pleased - not too many to put you under pressure but just steady enough so you can't go on your world cruise.

Any news on Rachel's job ?

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World cruse sounds nice ! No news on Rachels job although I do know that her boss has his interview on the 20th Jan so fingers crossed he stays so that she keeps her job. :roll:

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Just a few pics to show that I am actualy doing some things. First Portisheads canopy...

















Todays wiring progress on the piccadilly control panel...







 

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Wonderful Dave; I think the word genius comes to mind!

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Ken wrote: Wonderful Dave; I think the word genius comes to mind!

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don`t encourage him Ken,, I will have to touch the forelock next.....

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A very productive afternoon today building a set of baseboards for an N gauge layout......











There are four baseboards that bolt together to form this 8'x4' layout. For a sense of scale an eight coach HST has been used in the pics. Tomorrow I will cut all the legs to size and bolt them on ready for delivery to site on Wed evening. :thumbs

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Good looking sturdy baseboards Dave. :thumbs

The shot with the train shows the real advantage of "N" but oh dear, the poor old eyes ..........:roll::roll:

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More progress on the baseboard build. Yesterday I cut some shaped blocks that hold the frame together as well as all the legs. The legs are bolted on so that they can be removed if required.













Last night I filled in the screw heads on the frame and corner gaps so all that is needed now is a quick rub over with some sandpaper before delivery tonight.

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Did some one contact you from up this way re new baseboards.

 

Catch up next week having a bad time at the mo:brickwall:thud

 




 

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Thought somthing was up as you have been quiet for a change !

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Cheers Gaz for the baseboard recomendation. Just had email from your club about the show will catch up later as off to Gilesgate in a bit to deliver baseboards. :thumbs

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Managed today to get the lettering for Portisheads station building and also some wills cladding for the platform walls. After studying the pics I have gone for the concrete blockwork as this is the closest match to the origanal.

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Looks great as always mate.

Now tell me how you can get away with putting your railway stuf in the front room, mine would kill me :shock:

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I think that she tolarates it as she knows that im getting paid for building it !! :lol:

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87 101 wrote: I think that she tolarates it as she knows that im getting paid for building it !! :lol:

Oh typical woman, always have a method for letting us do things they normally would moan at. Aint they sneaky :twisted:

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Oh yeh like at the weekend when after going in the model shop for some materials it was "I just need to go into here" and before I knew it she added another pair of shoes to her collection !! :lol: Better stay in her good books though as im off at the end of next month and im planning to assemble the exhibition layout downstairs so that I can get it ready for the Jarrow show. :thumbs

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Latest update on Portishead. The platform canopy is nearing compleation. Here we are before priming with the leds taped up..




A bit of primer..







Followed by some concrete coloured acrylic..







Now a few piccys of the canopy with the station building..




I only have one pic of the top of the canopy from the origanal RM artical so I have had to guess a lot of the features but from what I can make out the roof has black sections proberly waterproofing. The glazing is still to be added..




The light shining through the windows at the top looks just like the pics of the real thing !




The bent copper wire is being used for powering the led lights and will be discuised as a drain pipe..




A couple of close ups showing the window apatures. I have left a small recess in front of the window as I think that this is where the rainwater would have gone...







 Overal shot...




Lastly for a height comparason with the origanal structure..




Still quite a bit to do like second coat of paint, add glazing, etc and then there is the platform to build. Looks good when compared with pics of the prototype though ! :thumbs


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It's looking brilliant Dave and this one is a real stunner. :pathead



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That is 'miniature civil engineering', certainly. looks like the sort of model you see as a planning project display at town halls, etc.  :thumbs


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Cheers gents. I once applied for a local modelmaking job doing that kind of work but never got a reply. Arh well never mind !! :roll: Ok how about a couple of night time piccys with the lights on ....












 





















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Very appropriate to use  my 1000th forum post to say a very well done for this Dave   as it has far exceeded my original expectations for how the project would look .  I cannot wait to see how it will look when we get to the extra platform sections - big is a understatement.

Thank you once again - your skill has made all the research efforts well worthwhile.

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Website updated again. Three new workbench pages added accessed from the ac lines layout page that has also been updated. Further pics of portishead and website link added on the show diary page for the jarrow club.

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The 'ground-level' views are brilliant! :thumbs Once everything is complete and secured in place it's going to look fantastic.

You mentioned another coat of paint? I should think you have to buy it in 5 litre cans and put it on with a 4" brush to cover that expanse! :shock:

Very, very impressive. :doublethumb

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Thanks for all the positive feedback. To put things into perspective the first section of canopy is just under 2' in length. I estimate that the finished canopy will be roughly 9'-10' long when compleated !! Im hoping to get the platform built up and finished this week as I have had another station building order this weekend ( NSE again !!). Still undecided on the platforms construction although I did get some wills concrete blockwork the other week for the base walls. Had quite a lot of intrest in the class 89 project with possable orders for 6 locos in 00 gauge and a couple in N !! :thud:thumbs

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great piece of modelling Dave on both jobs.

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That canopy looks the bees knees, Dave. Glad to see that business is rolling in and that you are enjoying it.

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 Yet another example of very fine craftsmanship,  :doublethumb 

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A bit more progress with Portishead. After a few issues with glue I have managed to build the first platform section. The platform consists of some 14mm thick dense foam that is sandwiched between two sheets of card. For the platform edged I have used some wills paving stone sheets that have been cut into strips. The paving stone sheets have also been used for the footpath outside the station entrance. The tarmac surface of the platform has been recreated using 100 grit sandpaper that has been painted with black acrylic. The platform walls were my biggest headache as I couldn't glue the wills block wall sheets directly to the foam as the glue would eat the foam ! The soloution was to skim a coat of filler over the foam before gluing the walls in place. Heres some pics..



The station building will be fixed into the recess once the two internal walls and folding door have been fitted



A sprinter sits at the new platform



The station building located in the recess





A couple of dodgy shots looking under the canopy. I will get some better ones later when all the lighting has been connected up.





A couple of overall shots





 

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Absolutely superb Dave.

I couldnt be more pleased with the results you have achieved .I sent some of the pictures from earlier in the thread to people I know that still live in Portishead  who used the station regularly when it was open and all said you have managed to portray the station as they remember it with an expert and uncanny amount of realism.

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Thanks Richard as you can see the main bulk of the work is now done. I still have the totam signs to fit under the canopy and the upper glazing before fitting it all together. I have cut square holes in the platform surface so that the legs will fit into them giving the structure that 'anchored' look. The station building still needs the two internal walls fitting and the folding door on the platform side before this can be attached to the platform. I will be cutting some grooves into the base of the platform to accomidate the cables for the lighting so all you will need to do is drill a small hole for the two power feeds and then glue the whole assembly down to the baseboard. I think that all the research was worth the effort and the model stands up well when compared with the pics of the prototype. In the pic you sent me last night you can just make out the main buildings structure in the background including those top windows that we wern't sure about so I think we have 'nailed it' The ultimate test will be its first show outing when the locals will get to see it ! :cool:  

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87 101 wrote:  In the pic you sent me last night you can just make out the main buildings structure in the background including those top windows that we wern't sure about so I think we have 'nailed it' The ultimate test will be its first show outing when the locals will get to see it 
 

Some of the members of the Portishead Railway Preservation Society who hope to reopen the last couple of miles of the line into the town from Portbury where the line is already now back in commercial use  for the new docks traffic of cars and coal are very keen on what we are doing and watching closely as are the members of the other Portishead Railway Group whose main interest is the Weston Clevedon & Portishead Light Railway so as most of the ones I have had any dealings with from either group are pretty knowledgeable  I view the thought of them seeing the model for the first time with some trepidation.

By the way did you understand what I meant about altering the construction order to allow the ramp section of the platform to be next on the list ?

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87 101 wrote:  In the pic you sent me last night you can just make out the main buildings structure in the background including those top windows that we wern't sure about so I think we have 'nailed it' The ultimate test will be its first show outing when the locals will get to see it 
 

Some of the members of the Portishead Railway Preservation Society who hope to reopen the last couple of miles of the line into the town from Portbury where the line is already now back in commercial use  for the new docks traffic of cars and coal are very keen on what we are doing and watching closely as are the members of the other Portishead Railway Group whose main interest is the Weston Clevedon & Portishead Light Railway so as most of the ones I have had any dealings with from either group are pretty knowledgeable  I view the thought of them seeing the model for the first time with some trepidation.

By the way did you understand what I meant about altering the construction order to allow the ramp section of the platform to be next on the list ?

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Nothing like a bit of presure then !! :lol: Yes understood about the end of platform section. :thumbs

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Today im fitting the glazing to Portisheads platform canopy.





 

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Some more pics..

The interior wall copied from an old photo. I think the box in the corner is a phone box..



My wife did a double take with this one as she thought it was real untill she saw the junk on the workbench..



Another couple of the canopy..





And finaly a look under the canopy into the booking hall. The reason the canopy leg is off the floor is so I could get the camera in !



 

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Portishead is almost finished. I still have to fit the totam signs before fixing the canopy in place. The building still needs an interior wall fitting and the letters abover the entrance need gluing back on. This afternoon a box of goodies arrived from the west midlands. Inside the box was a mainline mk1 BSK, a pair of BT10 (mk3) bogies, some dummy pans and some RTC transfers...... 

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Somthing a bit different today. Take a mainline mk1 BSK



Remove the bogies drill out the bogie centres and fit BT10's



Carefully remove the battery boxes without cutting the underframe trussing. Refit the battery boxes into their new positions after packing out with 3mm foamex. Also fit extra underframe parts left over from a recent EMU conversion



Add a sun roof





Fit a new 3mm foamex roof section



and a new end piece



Cut out bodyside grills (forgot to do on my own conversion)







Now if only I can find that tin of red paint....

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87 101 wrote: Portishead is almost finished. I still have to fit the totam signs before fixing the canopy in place. The building still needs an interior wall fitting and the letters abover the entrance need gluing back on. 

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Can you have another look at the pictures of the lettering over the entrance on the prototype . It may be my eyesight but it looks to me that there is a difference in relative lettering size and positioning of the lettering .

What do you think bearing in mind when seen by the locals that part will be well remembered by them as they would have seen it  on a daily basis as they passed by so we need to get that as near right as possible although if we make a deliberate mistake for them to spot they wont notice ifwe have got anything else wrong...:lol:

Could you put a couple of timetables/posters on the boards in the booking office foyer before its all fastened down please.

Not come up with that other side of the foyer  picture as yet - I am sure we have one somewhere.:roll:

 

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I had an intresting response when I posted a pic of portishead over on NRM forum from someone who remembers the station when it was first built. I have asked if he has any pics. Re letters. I think the ones I got are a bit on the large side. I used the normal 4mm (00 gauge) ones but I think the RM model used 2mm ones. They need redoing as they all fell off the clear sheet they were stuck to ! I will get some 2mm ones the next time I can get to Stockton modeller. I was going to ask about the interior notice boards as currently they are blank. ;-)    

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Oh heck now my eyes are playing up as much as my hands as I was trying to see how those letters are attached on the prototype pictures but I cant make it out . I wondered if 2mm would be better .Coopercraft do something of about that size to make up signal box name boards which may be a stronger alternative being raised plastic lettering - may be worth a look.

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Yeh thats the problem I had I can't make out how the letters are attached. They are proberly fixed to small metal posts although one of the pics would suggest there is a metal fence ! I used some clear plastic sheet to glue the letters to. I think they were slaters signal box letters I used. ;-)

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A bit more progress. First a white roof





Followed by yellow ends, black gangways, underfame and wheels





Somthing else I forgot with my origanal conversion was the plating up of this small window



And finaly twins




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Latest project from the westcoast workbench is this ...












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 Very nice job Dave, is that the prot.:oops:.......prototip...:brickwall.......proper name of a real one or have you made it up

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Cheers Kev its a model of the R&D electrical test coach Prometheus. The real one was used in the late 70's to test the new BW pantograph. For this roll it was usualy attached to the back of a normal service train. The coach was later used for testing the third generation electric locos classes 89,90,91. :thumbs 

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Quite an unusual prototype and nicely made Dave.
I presume the windows in the roof were to allow visual observations of the pantograph when on the move?

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Yes thats right Frank there was a raised platform inside so the engineers could look out through the windows and see the pan in action. For further info on the coach have a look here..

http://www.traintesting.com/lab_6.htm

I have just posted the coach off to the customer and will be putting the last set of pics up in a bit. :thumbs

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Ok guys just posted the coach at the post office so fingers crossed its gets to its new home safely. Heres the last set of pics with the raised pan fitted.










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Portishead reborn...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6cs7jL09Y

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Thats great Dave . I do like the music..

I am currently gathering information and assembling the rakes of rolling stock that made up most of the regular service trains to use the branch. I think I have identified all the different locomotive classes  to use the branch in the period 1954 to 1964 and in most cases the individual engines from those classes.A programme of renumbering the stock and locomotives to to reflect this information is now underway and when the other platform sections are completed the sight of a ten coach rake of suburbans topped and tailed by a couple of Green Standard Class 3 Tanks will make a fine sight coming to a stop beneath the canopy.

I still need to do some research on the first green dmus to work the branch, to identify which of the  ex GWR twin sets of  diesel railcars were used on the line  as opposed to the single units , to establish whether any of the Private Owners locomotives  from firms on the dock system or the PBA  Dock system  locomotives ever worked into the station and to find details of some of the specialist freight vehicles  used on the Albright & Wilson traffic.

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