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 Posted: Sat Oct 16th, 2010 07:36 am
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Sprayed the wagon today the final colour (red oxide). It just so happens to be a primer as well (plasti-kote) but went on like a dream (the good thing about the heat here is that I dont have to worry too much about the paint being too cold!) Please note the "skirt" so as not to cover the wheels in primer....:roll: I will however need to apply gloss apparently where the decals are applied...Next thing is painting the metalwork black but I will leave that until next weekend






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I have brush painted this evening some of the ironwork on wagon (as much as I dare using artificial light)




I also bought the meths (for the methfix transfers) and varnish today (meths here in Singapore just comes in what looks like a pop/beer bottle and isnt dyed etc as it is in the UK)




Something also very interesting whilst i was looking for Singapore stockists of Ronseal varnish was a Radio Control website here in Singapore which noted that you had to read the label on the tins here carefully as it doesnt state clearly on the outside as to whether its water or mineral based (as you get both) - the only sign is the reference to the cleaning of brushes/high VOC levels (apologies for poor pic quality). I raise this as some years ago I varnished the floor on my house with a water based varnish for the first coat and applied a second coat using same brand but new tin but unknown to me it was mineral based ronseal varnish - it went all cloudy and was sould destroying to sand it back and revarnish.






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Really nice finish on the paint Darren! Should look the bees knees when you put on the transfers and finish up.

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Finished painting the ironwork today (using a sable '0' brush)  I diluted the acrylic with some tamiya acrylic thinners to help it run easier. Still some touch up today especially where I scraped a little too much in some cases on the red oxide with a cocktail stick to remove any overrun of the black. I notice from the picture the buffer on the left hand sidewas not completely painted and touched that up. Items left to do also are complete the wheels (remove primer etc) and apply transfers. I will let it cure for the next week before doing any more.





 

 



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Coming along nicely, Darren.  I like this model because all the rivets and braces make sense.  So many don't.  Do you know what the bracket in the middle of the H does?



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MaxSouthOz wrote: Coming along nicely, Darren.  I like this model because all the rivets and braces make sense.  So many don't.  Do you know what the bracket in the middle of the H does?

As i understand it the door is like trapdoor which only opens to allow the bottom portion of the side to open as opposed from all the way from the bottom to top (see quick sketch below) I havent seen many wagons in this configuration (with same wheelbase/planks/strapping) as I was hoping that i could buy some and kitbash some others to look like it


 


 



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Oh.  I get it.  There are three hinges at the bottom.  Thanks, Darren.  :thumbs



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A very neat job Darren, good paintwork, should look the biz when all transfers are on.
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Lovely paint job Darren. :thumbs

One of the problems with many wagons - RTR or kits - is the lack of internal detail.  The door mouldings are clear and crisp on the outside but, unless it's a single sided wagon, there doesn't appear to be any detail on the opposite inside face - just a straight slab of plain plastic.

Maybe it's something to do with releasing the mouldings from the injection machines but I do wish they'd do more than just put some wood grain on the floor.



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This is my third attempt at this reply, for some reason it shows it when sent but disappears again!

As i understand it the door is like trapdoor which only opens to allow the bottom portion of the side to open as opposed from all the way from the bottom to top (see quick sketch below) I havent seen many wagons in this configuration (with same wheelbase/planks/strapping) as I was hoping that i could buy some and kitbash some others to look like it.




 



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Petermac wrote: Lovely paint job Darren. :thumbs

One of the problems with many wagons - RTR or kits - is the lack of internal detail.  The door mouldings are clear and crisp on the outside but, unless it's a single sided wagon, there doesn't appear to be any detail on the opposite inside face - just a straight slab of plain plastic.

Maybe it's something to do with releasing the mouldings from the injection machines but I do wish they'd do more than just put some wood grain on the floor.

Petermac, thanks. Its a good point re internal detail and I was in two minds whether to scribe the internals but that looked to be a major endeavour and I was also concerned that I really didnt know what the internals looked like (the reference book I have shows the external only) aside from the planking - I convinced myself that I wouldnt scribe it but put the coal load instead (I am going to have some fun finding coal in Singapore!! - I guess I will have to find some alternate!!)



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As soon as I'd posted, it occurred to me that the wagon may have been designed to be used loaded only Darren :oops:  If that were the case, you'd have thought they would have included a moulded "load" which you could simply "dress" with real coal.

You could always have some sent out from UK (or China which is even closer !!)...............:roll::roll:



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Hello Darren,
Excellent brush-work and a really nice contrast. That is a very good kit and would be ideal for making my "coal-train". Who's model kit is it? It's great to see that you haven't developed SEAS (South-East Asia Shakes) yet (too much Gin, too little Tonic Water LOL) as this tends to interfere with fine-brush painting and most functions where you have to think for a living. Keep-up the good-work, mate, looking good,
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Michael Thornberry wrote: Hello Darren,
Excellent brush-work and a really nice contrast. That is a very good kit and would be ideal for making my "coal-train". Who's model kit is it? It's great to see that you haven't developed SEAS (South-East Asia Shakes) yet (too much Gin, too little Tonic Water LOL) as this tends to interfere with fine-brush painting and most functions where you have to think for a living. Keep-up the good-work, mate, looking good,
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Hello Michael and thanks for the kind comments. This is a Sutherland Models Kit which are no longer in production (made in the Highlands and somewhat special for me as well as i can remember as a youngster in the late 70s peering into the window of the workshop one Saturday afternoon at Bonar Bridge (it was closed for the day but I have an abiding memory of boxes of loco driving wheels) whilst walking round the village while my late father played in a football match in the Highland League.

There are some Highland alternatives : see HR mineral wagon halfway down the page : http://www.mousa.biz/wagons/resin_wagons.html

As for the "SEAS" I have worked in this region for many years but hadnt heard that one before :) and hope I dont develop that way!

It is astounding how much your hand does shake when you have to deliberately have to think not to. What was interesting in painting the ironwork was a smooth singular deliberate stroke ended up much better than little small paint strokes (it appears obvious now) but a smooth stroke was faster and better looking in the end (I have Ian Rathbone on DVD and when you watch him doing lining, he does the same so I should have spotted that!)

The scary part for me next is not the lettering (methinks I will have some challenges there nonetheless) but to complete the first gloss varnish to get ready for lettering application (letter locations only) and thereafter overall final (matt) varnish.



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This evening I applied the gloss paint at the letter locations (this is uncharted waters for me so heres hoping that it turns out ok!) The varnish went on ok and I did a small test panel to ensure that it did not affect the plastic - lets hope it doesnt turn overnight into the monster from the Quatermass Experiment movie (ie an unrecognisable blob!) I also bought thinners (see the simple bottle below) to clean the varnish off the brush - its seems to be industrial strength!








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Hello Darren,
That looks, to me, good-enough to drink.:lol:  Just don't breath too heavily near naked-flames, mate, :shock:
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PS:- Good Luck with the modelling.

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What do the funny letters under the hyrogliphics mean Darren ? :mutley:mutley:mutley

I'm awaiting the "Return of the Quatermass Experiment"  :thumbs:thumbs



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I don't check in very often, but I know I'll find quality work when I do. Very nice, Darren. Looking forward to the lettering and numbering. I hope it goes well.

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After a shaky start (some of the letters are still a little askew after some failed/abortive attempts), I have managed to get more comfortable with the methfix transfers. These are better than waterslide as there is no carrier film left afterwards, the key thing seems to be is not to fuss with the letters too much and just get the location right in the first place and not move them around afterwards(easier said than done as the letters are behind the carrier films (which lifts of later with water) which needs to be soaked first by the meths (albeith meths can be applied first to the model). The font for the ""loco coal is not as compressed as the prototype but an acceptable compromise. The varnishing seems to have been a good move as it does mean the letters are easier to locate. (we shall see when it comes to overcoating this!) Next thing is to add the numbering etc which will be trickier as each number is added separately.






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Petermac wrote: What do the funny letters under the hyrogliphics mean Darren ? :mutley:mutley:mutley

I'm awaiting the "Return of the Quatermass Experiment"  :thumbs:thumbs

My wife bought the bottle, so I think its a message to me from my wife to lose some weight...:pedal



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