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 Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 05:46 pm
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henryparrot wrote: For a first attempt at a metal kit Darrren you have made a really good job of them obviously you have learnt a few do`s and dont`s in the process.

As its metal will you not have to use an etch primer first before painting final colour?

Super glue Gel is sometimes better than standard super glue its a lot thicker plus gives you a bit more handling time.

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Brian, yes its been a pretty steep learning curve but very enlightening!

I have bought an etch primer (job for tommorrow if i can work out how to get a mini spray booth (cardboard box) constructed (no space, no garden in this second floor apartment!)

I agree the gel is the best of the lot for superglues but for very fragile components that can be easily knocked off the epoxy welds wins hands down (albeit more difficult to apply sparingly!)



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Petermac wrote: Very, very neat looking pair of wagons Darren.  :thumbs

They certainly look much tougher than the plastic kits but I suppose you "pays your money and takes your choice" !!

The moldings (castings) seem much crisper than you get with plastic and I imagine they can stand up to more "brute force". :roll:

One huge advantage is that they won't need extra weight.  That seems to be a problem with "empty" wagons in plastic - where to put the weight and yet retain the detail.


Petermac, the metal castings do appear to be crisper than plastic but it is noticeable that the floor thickness was variable (i needed packing on the W-Irons on one but not the sister vehicle) - I guess this is a function of the casting process used.

Talking about weight, I have a Ratio engineers set of wagons (plastic) to build with some low sided bolsters - I will have to think of a way to weight them.



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Darren - HP said "for a first attempt at a metal kit..........you've made a really good job of it" !!  Don't quite know what to read into that :roll::roll:    To me, I'd find it hard to believe it's your first attrempt - it looks great and is a real credit to you. :cheers:cheers - I think you've done a terrific job and they really do look sturdy wagons.



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Petermac wrote: Darren - HP said "for a first attempt at a metal kit..........you've made a really good job of it" !!  Don't quite know what to read into that :roll::roll:    To me, I'd find it hard to believe it's your first attrempt - it looks great and is a real credit to you. :cheers:cheers - I think you've done a terrific job and they really do look sturdy wagons.



Many thanks for the positive encouragement* from everyone. To be honest its taken  an incredibly long time to get the wagons this far (thanks to a rainy bank holiday weekend) but I guess thats the point of the hobby - something to be savoured and not to be rushed!

(*otherwise I would not have got to the stage of buying paint!)

 



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I have actually completed some painting today (ok well spray priming...) the Tamiya fine primer went on a treat but i did struggle as I am in an apartment and really need an open area such as a garden or garage with the main door open - i was going to spray on top with a red oxide primer spray I have but I then remembered that I had bought red oxide for the signal box roof so I will use that for the wagons (canny the Highlanders (the Highland Railway that was..)

More lessons learned - dont put on the three link couplings before painting (i had to remove them before priming)...I was also going to use frisket for the buffers but found that the masking tape was more convenient. Oh yes and remember to cover the bearings (i didnt...)



 



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well at least we live and learn,then pass it on !
they are looking ok.

:hmm:lol::lol::cool:

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They look great Darren. :thumbs

Watching your painting excercise with great interest - I have already learnt to do it outside, cover the bearings, don't live in an appartment and to frisk something on the buffers :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs:thumbs:lol::lol::lol::lol:  Fortunately, I don't have any couplings on mine yet.

What's "frisket" ? :oops::oops::oops:



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you beat me to it Peter! Frisket? cut of beef ain't it/

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Frisket? Brisket? yeah, sounds just like that cut of beef, Mikey!

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Hi folks, frisket is a rubberised (latex) masking paint that is traditionally used by artists for masking but can also be used for painting awkward to mask areas (windows etc)

You can also buy it in sheet form.

 



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mikeyh wrote: you beat me to it Peter! Frisket? cut of beef ain't it/

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Thanks Darren - never heard of the stuff !!!



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this is a great build, i have never done a metal kit but it makes you want to go out and start. i will have to put this on my TO DO LIST job number 1374. i use the masking fluid for windows when spraying locos, dab it on and when it dries peel it away. have you thought about using an old PC fan as an extractor for your spray booth? set up 2 at the back and connect to a large hose through the window. i also see another one online which was a plastic storage box with a household extractor fan at the back.

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Matt wrote: Darren

this is a great build, i have never done a metal kit but it makes you want to go out and start. i will have to put this on my TO DO LIST job number 1374. i use the masking fluid for windows when spraying locos, dab it on and when it dries peel it away. have you thought about using an old PC fan as an extractor for your spray booth? set up 2 at the back and connect to a large hose through the window. i also see another one online which was a plastic storage box with a household extractor fan at the back.

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Nice one Matt, the heath robinson arrangement of the spray booth on the link really appeals to me however methinks that will have to wait till we move out of this rented apartment plus I have some ideas for upgrading it using ply and possibly adding a filter.....oh and a light....(ok maybe a plastic box with a fan should be my first goal!)

The reason I went down the metal route is that i need Highland Railway vehicles (no RTR) and the only way I will have a HR locomotive is to build one using one of the metal Lochgorm kits (so lots of practice first!)



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I have completed painting the wagons (brush painted over three nights) using the following :

Red Oxide (Polly Scale)

Flat Black (Model Master) / Nato Black (Tamiya)

Roof Brown (Polly Scale)

Will post more on these once I purloin Highland Railway transfers (not many sources out there..)



 



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Perhaps you could find what you want here Darren. There is a good selection of Highland Railways pre grouping waterslide transfers.:

http://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/products.cgi?categoryid=129&ordernumber=514231896334

Taken from our Equipment Index.



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Lovely wagons,Darren!!!:thumbs

cheers,John.B.

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Robert wrote: Perhaps you could find what you want here Darren. There is a good selection of Highland Railways pre grouping waterslide transfers.:

http://www.fox-transfers.co.uk/products.cgi?categoryid=129&ordernumber=514231896334

Taken from our Equipment Index.

Thanks Bob for that but unfortunately they dont do HR goods wagons - HMRS do the goods wagons and special Modelmaster decals can be had via HRSOC..I am still mulling over whether I should go down the route of creating my own..



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I have been tinkering with Movie Maker and roll out my bolster wagon movie...be sure to check the credits ;-)



 



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          Thats a brilliant record of the build.What a novel idea.

cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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Darren they look really good and the video you did is a great record of the build

cheers Brian

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