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Hi all. :hi

I thought it was time I started a thread about my layout. I have already posted a few pics in the Welcome thread  but I'll repost those here shortly. I have also been busy with the camera and a half-decent light taking some more up to date shots of the Middlehurst branch terminus.

 

Before I show the pics, though, a little bit about the layout. It started in 1989 when I moved to Melbourne from Brisbane. We were in a rented house in Glen Waverley with a small spare bedroom so I used a C J Freezer plan called Minories but mirror-imaged it and added a double slip to give direct access to the turntable rather than have locomotives shunting into the goods sidings to get at the shed road. I was still building it when we bought our house in Blackburn. This house had a larger Rumpus Room at the back that became the railway room - it was also supposed to be a sewing room but my wife was a little too slow staking her claim!

 

I was able to extend the Minories plan with a 2' section spliced into the middle. I had already decided that the branch terminus was to be a double-track line that had been truncated (Beeching!), so this allowed possible extension later if I gained more room or redesigned the layout. In the meantime I also added a continuous circuit double-tracked mainline, supposedly 30 - 40 miles from Middlehurst (as the terminus became), but actually about 10' away by rail!

 

As I also wanted to add London Transport stock, the main line interchange station was at the London end of the layout, while Middlehurst was somewhere on or near the south coast. I chose Middlehurst because of a resemblance to Midhurst as a name yet still fictional so no one could say "Oh that was never there!" or such like. Similarly, the interchange station became High Cross, named loosely after New Cross but probably located nearer Wimbledon or Richmond - I later discovered that there is a real High Cross on the Eastern Region out of London.

 

The track plan for the main lines was entirely my own invention with crossovers and junctions that allowed all possible access to a bay platform and for reversing manoeuvres both London and Middlehurst bound. Middlehurst trains normally run only the branch and stop in platform 2 - if they are multiple units or push-pull they simply reverse, otherwise locomotives may run around their train or a sort of cascade process can be used to keep the main lines clear. If I ever get a proper sequnce up and running, there will be through trains to and from Middlehurst during peak hours.

 

I started out with DC using cab control - each section of the branch could be switched to any one of four H & M Walkabout controllers. More recently I turned to DCC and simply substituted one of the Walkabouts for a DCC feed. I can still switch to or from DC or DCC as required.

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Some pics of the Middlehurst branch.































 

As you can see, I'm also into buses and lorries and cars! The Station Building is just the old Hornby Dublo one repainted (crudely!) and my computer generated enamel signs, which seem to have faded a little. Buses and coaches in the Southdown Garage (a very faded Alphagraphics card kit) are of various origins: EFE, OOC, modified and/or repainted ones, and kit-built (MBF and Fanfare in the photo). 

The "Tadpole" DEMU (DC Kits) is not yet finished but runs well. It still needs much underframe and roof detail and all its handrails and jumper cables added.

The photos are quite cruel and show up lots of little things I don't normally notice from viewing distance! And kindly don't mention the dust!  :hmm

 

More pics will follow soon.

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Well Jeff I like it, dust, dodgy paint work and all.  All to often the images we see in magazines are of pristine polished layouts, yours shows signs of a little wear and tear which suggests it gets a lot of use, which is what it is all about :lol:

And your photos will give you ideas on what adjustments and improvements you want to make. 

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Crikey!  I looked at the buses and all I could hear was, "You've made my day, you 'av, Butler."   Excellent work, Jeff.  Now I'm going to look at them all again . . .

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Yes, Jeff, the camera can be cruel & show up all the imperfections. All we need now is a copy of the track plan.

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Nice layout there Jeff. I agree with Ron about the track plan though. Would help us to get a better feel of the layout. ;-)

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Good looking layout there Jeff.

I notice you've got 2 "Q" Class locos - why would anyone design such an ugly looking brute !!!

The traffic is very typical of the London area - total log-jam and, as they say, you wait hours for a bus then 120 come all at once !!:roll::roll::lol::lol::lol:

Looking forward to seeing the track plan.

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Thanks for the comments, guys. Track plan may take a while as I don't have a presentable one available.

Petermac, I have three Q1s and a Q. One of the Q1s is a heavily modifed K's kit with Mashima motor and flywheel - it is so powerful it actually pulled the coupling out of a wagon on a long heavy train! The other two Q1s are Hornby - much better detail and quieter than the K's one but not as much pulling power. The Q is a Wills kit mounted on a Bachmann J39 chassis; a beautiful runner but the wheelbase is slightly wrong (who cares? - it works better than anything I can build!).

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Jeff I like it very much! The track arrangement looks fascinating and I love the overall feel of things. I even see some SR style light posts. I plan to make some of my own one day - concrete style.
Very nice indeed. Eagerly awaiting more pics!

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Jeff -

Some very nice scenes there and so evocative of that "Sussex feel". I could sense Midhurst, Worthing, Littlehampton, Chichester and some other locations coming across with the selection of buses and your choice of garage building. And Exmouth Junction concrete products everywhere, as indeed they should be!

I don't need to add that I am extremely familiar with that part of the world and from the time period you portray so a fleet of "Queen Mary's" with the occasional Leopard saloon makes me feel very much a part of your little world. The visiting Royal Blue coach is also in keeping as they worked up from Bournemouth to Eastbourne daily on the one-time South Coast Express service.

The mix of rolling stock is interesting. I think many of us would happily run old and new side by side at times while waving our "Modellers Licence" in the face of those who would :It's a no no us.

I wouldn't be concerned by a bit of dust. When did you ever see a dust-free pristine railway or bus depot? The camera can be a little cruel at times but it can also help to direct our attention where it might be needed.

Keep up the good work and let's have more pictures. :cool wink

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Here are a couple of pics from the main line section (High Cross).

 



 



 



 



 



 



 

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The mix of rolling stock is interesting. I think many of us would happily run old and new side by side at times while waving our "Modellers Licence" in the face of those who would :It's a no no us.



That is my concept as well. I was asked tonight, what was my era - I replied -  from 1920s to late Blue Diesel

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Another good addition to the Members Personal Layouts section Jeff. Looking forward to hearing and seeing more.

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I also build dioramas - for MaxSouthOz, this one was a low bridge disaster narrowly avoided. I haven't got a usable pic showing the driver, conductor and inspector (complete with Blakie's Hitler moustache) all standing next to the bus "discussing" the options. The bus is wearing "L" plates!


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A nice mix of what appears to be O, Q23, Q27 and is that 1938 tube stock lurking behind? The F stock is reserved for the avatar ;-)

As you say the area might resemble Richmond or Wimbledon; with all that District Line stock it certainly comes across that way.

I do hope the Knight Bus doesn't have that bridge in the second image on its line of route!

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Originally the layout was set up to represent the 1962 to 1969 era, but I stretched it a little. I could still run earlier (SR or pre-grouping) stock, or later BR TOPS era. I now have quite a bit of post-privatisation stock as well. At the moment I'm running mixed eras but I sometimes pull everything off and run one era only. At other times I run the branch as a preserved line and the main lines as more modern era, but all the signage remains BR 1950s and '60s style.

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You've sold it to me Jeff - this photo is just beautiful - I can "feel" the heat of summer.

Wonderful scene. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

 

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yes i fell for that one Peter,really tranquil scene, the hazy, lazy days of summer.

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Nice layout mate, but in the third from last picture there looks to be a 'triple' decker bus.:hmm Where did you find that

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I really like Middlehurst, busy with lots of atmosphere. I have got a soft spot for those old Dublo buildings and I have often thought about detailing them.

In one of your pictures it looks like you have installed home made uncoupling ramps. can you describe them and comment on how well they work please.

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Kevr wrote:  

Nice layout mate, but in the third from last picture there looks to be a 'triple' decker bus.:hmm Where did you find that

Well spotted Kev - I've never seen one of those - and in purple to boot !!!!   :shock::shock::shock:

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Gwiwer wrote: A nice mix of what appears to be O, Q23, Q27 and is that 1938 tube stock lurking behind? The F stock is reserved for the avatar ;-)

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Now there's knowledge for you !!!:shock::shock::shock:

Where did you learn all that Rick - are you an ex Transport Minister ? :roll::roll::roll:

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Jeff ,in the picture of the bus garage ,you have an unusual backscene showing a street heading away from the garage with a side street off. Is that one of the usual backscenes available just now.

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Bobk,i think you will find they are in the forum index, i put a link in a while back.
simple to make and work very well.

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Thanks Owen, I thought I had seen them before.

Afternote: Owen I went to the Index, looked under 'U' for uncoupler and could not find it. Do you know where it is posted?:hmm

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That's a beaut diorama, Jeff.

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Bobk,looks like the article is lost ( all the forum probs most like )
if Jeff doe`s not reply i will try to dig the item out for you.

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Brilliant layout Jeff,and I'm loving the buses and lorries too.Very interesting!

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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A lovely layout Jeff

I can see many years of work have gone into creating the layout and some really nice stock you have there.

Have you seen those flickering blue lights you can get that flash like an EMU or underground train pick up? 

Are all your locos dcc now the reason i ask your LT stock the efe ones probably have black beetles i was wondering if black beetles are happy with decoders.

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The purple triple-decker bus is featured in the movie Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban.

The one used for filming is a former London Transport RT-type bus with an extra top deck grafted on. It was converted inside to provide a dormitory.

With the popularity of these movies it wasn't long before Corgi brought out a model (as seen on Jeff's layout) and the tourist trade tried to replicate the Knight Bus in any way possible.

They sold quickly and I have not had much success in locating any stores with current stock.

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I think Jeff actually made those buses before the Corgi one came out.  There is also a Ford Anglia in a tree somewhere in another tip of the hat to Harry Potter.

 

I am quite familiar with Jeff's layout as he lives nearby.  I'll probably see it again in an hour as I am off round to Jeff's in an hour.  Nice to see some pictures of your layout Jeff.:doublethumb

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There is also a Ford Anglia in a tree somewhere
Spotted that one as well. :thumbs;-)

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Where did you learn all that Rick - are you an ex Transport Minister ?

No, not at all. But familiar perhaps with the London Underground system and the various trains which have run on it down the years.

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Real nice layout,like all the vehicles. Personally i dont like the 'Q' Class loco's either,glad all steam wasn't made the same way

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OK, a few questions to answer - also, I missed your earlier post, Rick (gwiwer), so apologies for not responding to it earlier.

 

Rick and Kevr: The Harry Potter bus was a challenge I set myself, using two EFE RTs (actually, one RT and one RTL!), plus a lot of cutting, filing and filling for the middle deck. The shade of purple eluded me for some time but I eventually came up with a mix I was happy with. Corgi later produced a ready to run vesion but theirs doesn't look as "accurate" as the radiator is the wrong shape and the top deck tapers inwards too much. Mine, on the other hand, is a little too vertical at the front of the middle deck. Corgi have modelled the beds and chandelier nicely, I haven't!!  ;-)

 

I actually had it in mind to construct a Harry Potter exhibition layout but haven't really the room or the finances to carry it hrough. In the meantime I also did the Ford Anglia, which no one seems to have commented on (until Neil, anyway, and he knew it was there!!): it's sitting in an oak tree ... well, I don't have any whomping willows so that had to do! There are also squirrels in some of the trees but they can't be seen in the pics. I do have a Hogwarts Castle and four Hornby coaches ready to go.

 

Rick, the F stock consists of one complete coach at the moment, a double-ended driving coach. I have a trailer to build, and intend to do one more trailer and a single-ended driving coach to complete a four car set when finances and time allow. The avatar pic is quite old - the F car was unglazed when that was taken. In fact, the full sized photo showed up that the leading side panel was glued on crookedly so after that shot I ripped off that panel, cleaned it up and reglued it. I have described all of the LT stock I possess in the Welcome thread (EDIT: see my next post).

 

Black Beetles work fine on DCC - the "Tadpole" unit has one fitted with a TCS M1 decoder. I did blow up the first decoder because I wrongly identified the brush and track feeds in reverse! My own fault but thank goodness for the TCS goof-proof warranty - they replaced it with no quibbles at all.

 

The uncoupling ramps have evolved by experimentation but are made from a length of clear shirt box plastic. They aren't quite right yet but are very close to my "definitive" design now. They have the advantage overthe Peco and Hornby plastic ramps in that they are clear plastic and less obtrusive, and that they can be made to fit gentle curves as well.

:cheers  If I have missed any other questions, just prod me to remind me.  :cheers

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Excerlent looking layout! I noticed the car in the tree and was just going to point it out when I noticed that I had been beaten to it! Like the look of the underground stock. I was thinking of having a section of underground on my garden railway but I think I had better finish what I have first as I dont think that the mrs would be too happy! :roll: :lol: ;-)

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Correction to my previous post: the list of my LT stock was in the Model Railway Videos section. I have copied and pasted what I wrote there below.  :oops:

 

re the LT stock (in my avatar too!): It is a bit of a mixture but all that are motorised have used Black Beetles, except one of the 1938 tube sets I bought already motorised with a Bachmann mechanism in it.

Not in any order, I have:

5 car CO/CP stock made from white metal Harrow Models kits (now in the Radley range).

5 car Q stock made from resin kits from DC Kits/Little Bus Company - 2 x Q23, Q27, Q31 and Q38 in the mix, most painted but awaiting glazing and couplings.

2 car F stock from Harrow Models white metal kits - 1 built the other still in kit form.

2 x EFE 1938 tube stock sets, motorised.

1 x EFE 1959/62 tube stock, unmotorised at this stage.

4 car A60 stock from resin Harrow Models/Radley kits, painted but not yet built or motorised.

4 car C69 stock from Little Bus Company resin kits - unbuilt.

They were running a shuttle on their own lines but I relaid the fiddle yard and have not restored the LT tracks - the sidings they are sitting in are the remnants!


 

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Bobk,i found the measurements for the uncouplers ,
10 mm wide- 85 mm long,10 thou plastic,place over 8 sleepers with the ends tucked under two.

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cut a 10mm wide strip of PET plastic 0.010”thick (0.25mm) about 85mm long, and threaded it under the sleepers at each end, so that it went under two sleepers and over 8 sleepers, in the centre of the track, checking that it did not foul the backs of the rolling stocks wheels. Depending on your make of track and its sleeper spacing it may be necessary to adjust these details.

original instructions.

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Here are a couple more pics of that low bridge diorama, but with a different bus this time - a South Yorkshire PTE DMS for those who want to know. :)







You can't really see it but I did paint that little moustache on the Inspector - shades of Blakie!

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Here is an earlier diorama I made, this time of an anonymous seaside location, somewhere on the south coast of Britain, with shingle beach. I often use this one as a backdrop to pose and photograph different model buses (and other road vehicles). In this case, the three coaches are all Pirate Models kits; two are in Green Line liveries and the third was a fictional colour scheme I invented. The coaches are a Plaxton Paramount 12m Leyland Tiger (TPL class - furthest from the camera), a Duple 320 bodied Leyland Tiger (TDL class, in slightly later livery) and nearest the camera, a Leyland Tiger with Duple Dominant III bodywork, to the Scottish pattern. Doing those stripes on the Green Line liveries was no easy task!


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And yet another diorama which is good for posing models for photography. This was quite simple and basic one.

In this case, the two buses are both short London Transport Private Hire RFs, one in original livery, the second in later Green Line livery. The Green Line one is a Little Bus Company kit (ex CJT) and the green and grey one was converted from a Concept Models RF.

 

The class 30 A1A-A1A is the Hornby one, renumbered. I subsequently painted out the light coloured cab window surrounds.



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And one of the best things which could ever happen to a DMS ;-). It doesn't matter whether they came in red or in two shades of brown they were abhorrent beasts. We even had some venture down to my territory; Western National weren't very impressed with them either.

I do hope you didn't have any small people upstairs at the time though!

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I should have transferred the "L" plates - they are only stuck on with Blu-tac! That would have allayed any fears for the safety of (non-existent) upper deck passengers!!  ;-)

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Hi Jeff,.I did have a question for you on post 23. .If you get the chance to answer that one it would be good .thanks .

Reg ;-)

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lovely dioramas

You seem to do a lot of dioramas are they commisions or do you just like doing certain dioramas .

One of our projects here last year was a diorama project there were some very good ones made have a look in the projects section.

I converted to dcc in stages and had a system i could switch from one to the other i actually reached a point where most locos had decoders i then just fully went over to dcc.

cheers Brian

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sparky wrote: Jeff ,in the picture of the bus garage ,you have an unusual backscene showing a street heading away from the garage with a side street off. Is that one of the usual backscenes available just now.

I'm answering this from work, so I'll have to go from memory (I can't see the pictures here - they show up as grey squares!): The backscene is a standard Peco townscape but I matched the grey closely and painted over the wooden fence to create a continuation of the road. I'm sure that that applies in this location and I might have done the same thing near High Cross station as well. I'll double check that when i get home this evening.

 

Brian, I enter the Model Bus Association of Australia's annual modelling competition, usually with a few kit built buses and a diorama. Original specs were the diorama had to be no more than 200 square inches but we doubled that a few years ago to allow for the larger scales. Mine still tend to be around the 200 square inches although a couple have been a little larger. Not all have survived because I have recycled the base boards several times with some of the worse efforts - also, I have run out of room to store them!

 

The seaside diorama was the very first one I did and wasn't too bad an effort; three of the other members were standing over it arguing about the location ... "That's near Portsmouth!", "Nahhh, it's nearer Brighton.", "No, you're both wrong, it's ... ", and so it went! Rather flattering, really.  :lol:

 

Several of the dioramas also included a short length of railway track, the low bridge one being a case in point. I really did have to apply some modellers compression though, if you look at the steepness of that embankment and the proximity of the track to its edges.

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You can just make it out.  It might be worth getting some recorded sound for this bit, of Blakie that is.

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"That's near Portsmouth!", "Nahhh, it's nearer Brighton."

I can certainly see a passing resemblance to both Southsea (South Parade) and Brighton (Grand Junction Road) but Ramsgate Harbour comes to mind as well.

Green Line coaches visited all three quite regularly although only had timetabled route work to Brighton (on the 762 and 773).

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The buses and coaches are changed regularly, depending on which ones I want to photograph for the records. But yes, post-privatisation Green Line found itself in all sorts of strange places. Come to that, I found it a little odd seeing a blue and yellow metrobus (Orpington) in Brighton or Eastbourne.

The diorama was based a little on my memories of Brighton but was always intended to be generic. If I had a little more width I would have included a grassy nature strip between the road and the sea wall.

I like doing the dioramas because I can put more detail into the concentrated areas. Even so, that idea spills over onto the layout as I model small, discrete areas at a time and gradually join them up.

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I found it a little odd seeing a blue and yellow metrobus (Orpington) in Brighton or Eastbourne.

Try Worthing as well these days!

I'm sure phill might have something to say about that as well; the Worthing- Horsham road was abandoned by Mrs Gloag's Wee Knitting Buses and the Go-Ahead operator from Crawley took over.

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Worthing gave me the excuse to buy one of Corgi OOC's Midland Red coaches. I have a David Kaye book that shows two such coaches, standing in the middle of an empty garage ... Southdown's Worthing Garage! That was all I needed to justify buying one.

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Relevant in the context of this discussion and your layout then Jeff but Worthing Coach Station (RIP - it was levelled some years ago to form the bus driver's car park!) on a summer Saturday was a veritable feast.

Apart from the usual sea of apple green coaches there were Midland Red vehicles on the Wolverhampton / Birmingham - Worthing run (as you saw), red Yorkshire Traction ones on a Barnsley - Worthing route, Black & White and Royal Blue on various east-west workings and Eastern National came through on the Southend - Portsmouth Airport (for Channel Islands air connections!) route. Neighbours Maidstone and District (Gravesend - Southsea route) and East Kent (duping anything which required it, often working to Bournemouth as dupe to Royal Blue) were almost boring by comparison.

And an hourly open-top route ran between Arundel and Devil's Dyke which required seven of the "Queen Mary" open toppers, of which you show one in the garage, always attracting attention. I believe this was the longest scheduled open-top route in the country (at 34 miles) at the time. Worthing was the mid-point of the route and provided some of the buses, the exact number varying by date and year of operation.

Those were the days.

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I almost forgot; the Southdown garage at Middlehurst is a lift-out diorama in its own right. It has been an almost permanent fixture on the layout since it won the competiton way back when!

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Great layout Jeff, lovely to see.
Thanks for sharing.

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owen69 wrote: Bobk,i found the measurements for the uncouplers ,
10 mm wide- 85 mm long,10 thou plastic,place over 8 sleepers with the ends tucked under two.

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Many thanks, and thanks for the PM.  Hopefully this will go in the Index again.

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Back in Bob, under Uncoupler and Ramp.

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Another diorama, this time of a country lane. While few of these dioramas are direcly linked to the main layout, they have all allowed me to experiment with scenic techniques that I could later use on the layout. Quite a few of my modelling techniques have been evolved from happy accidents in constructing and finishing the dioramas. These photos also show off some of the buses I've either built from kits or modified and repainted from proprietary models. One technique I've used later was the curtains in the Airfix detached house (used as a farm house here) - they were cut from Spotlight catalogue pictures of fabrics.














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Thay look good Jeff although I have to say, I'm glad I don't live in that house !!  With all those bus companies running services past their front door, I shouldn't think they get much sleep. :roll::roll:  Also, I notice the shepherd has grown a bead waiting for a quiet spot to walk the sheep across the road !!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

What make are all the buses ?  You can't just say "kits I've made or re-paint jobs" then show a string of photos. :shock::shock::shock: Good as they are, each one needs an identification - we're hungry B's for photos and info on here and no-one, not even from "down under" gets away that easily !!:roll::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::thumbs:thumbs

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My Goodness Jeff!

Those are VERY patient sheep you have there. They seem to have waitied from the 1930's (LT country area bus) through the Provincial Regent era of the early 60s to the Stagecoach Dart of the 90s and they are STILL there when the LCBS Atlantean (in Gade Valley livery) comes along.

And despite the wide variety of destinations on offer none of those routes seems to suit the waiting passenger!



Seriously though, some very nice detail there and a lovely little diorama which shows a timeless charm. The hedge is neatly trimmed, the garden is well kept and the trees look very realistic. And are there any of those older-style cast metal "Bus Stop" plates left anywhere now?

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Nice little scene. You have done a good job on that old Airfix house. I built one not so long ago and it was a horror, badly warped, sink holes and flash. 

You certianly don't need a railway with all those buses though!

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Petermac: I didn't know if there would be much interest in the buses, although I know Rick seems to know at least as much about them as I do, if not more.

In order from top to bottom, the buses and coaches are:

A London Transport country area Leyland Cub of LT's C class from the late 1930s onwards - this one is in post-war livery, and is made from the ABS Streetscene (ex-Varney Transport Replicas) white metal kit.

A Provincial (Gosport & Fareham) AEC Regent II with Weymann body, built from a Model Bus Company (ex-Anbrico) white metal kit.

A Royal Blue Bristol MW with ECW later-style coach body of 1962/63. This one is a Little Bus Company resin kit.

An EFE Leyland National, modified to a B series without pod and with those little vents on the front between the headlights. This was a repaint, with all of those stripes hand-painted!

A Concept Models Leyland Lynx (plastic kit) painted up as a Kentish Bus vehicle.

A Stagecoach South Dennis Dart with Alexander Dash body built from a Pirate Models (ex-Lowland) white metal kit and finished with BusTrans transfers. The castings on this kit were dreadful!

A Leyland Atlantean AN68 of The Shires (ex-London Country) made from an Anbrico white metal kit.

The bearded shepherd was actually a German figure with a large hat brim. The bus stop is from Langley, as are the various flower pots and gardening tools around the house. I doubt there are many enamel bus stop signs like that around any more, but such things do crop up in out of the way places occasionally!

The sheep are mostly original Airfix ones; they were so old and brittle that I knocked the legs off a couple with the paint brush!

The LandRover is also an original Airfix one, from the Bristol Bloodhound military kit.

I find that, given a choice between an original Airfix plastic kit and the Dapol reissue of the same kit, I'll always take the original. Dapol's plastic seems to be more flexible, and the kits suffer more from warping and sink holes etc.

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That's great Jeff - thanks for taking the trouble to do that. :thumbs

Knowing little (if anything) about buses, it's particularly interesting to know what was running when,  what they look like and who makes them.  We see adverts for this bus and that but,  unless you know what you're looking for it can be difficult to find the one you want. I may want a bus for my, let's say, 50's era layout but which bus ? Your photos and identification helps a great deal.

I can imagine building these kits is very satisfying although, for me, painting all those "go faster stripes" would be an impossibility !!!

I for one, enjoy looking at your little scenes - there's so much to take in and many of them bring back distant memories - keep them coming. :thumbs:thumbs

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Gwiwer wrote: I found it a little odd seeing a blue and yellow metrobus (Orpington) in Brighton or Eastbourne.

Try Worthing as well these days!

I'm sure phill might have something to say about that as well; the Worthing- Horsham road was abandoned by Mrs Gloag's Wee Knitting Buses and the Go-Ahead operator from Crawley took over.


Metro run the 23 through Crawley, Worthing and then onto Horsham ending back up at Crawley bus station. Runs every hour and coloured Blue. Now Metro is owned and run by Go Ahead who also run Brighton and Hove bus's. :thumbs They run Scania's and Transbus with a dennis body on them. Like our's they are naff :mutley

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Gwiwer wrote: Relevant in the context of this discussion and your layout then Jeff but Worthing Coach Station (RIP - it was levelled some years ago to form the bus driver's car park!) on a summer Saturday was a veritable feast.



Yes the Gardens and Engineering building is till there and now we have a wash and fuelling bay built in the middle of them, sadly the office's which are at the back of the gardens building is no longer in use, mindue spend about 3 or 4 grand and they would be ok but tight gits wont. The offices are now at the front as you drive in.

The buildings ie the Gardens and the Engineering building are worth a fortune but also in the middle is a footpath to the shops at the back and seafront to the front. Its a public right of way, we have to wear hi vis vest's at all times but the public just amble back and forth along the whole of the yard, .strange.

Here is a few pics of what i drive now. These deckers are just over 2 year old and are naff. Going next year and we hope to get Scania's.
http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1183229547026127881hcMiTw

http://www.oxford-chiltern-bus-page.co.uk/upload%20101206/Stagecoach%20South%20-%20another%20new%20Dart%20for%20Worthing%20en%20route%20thru%20Oxford%20051206%20Malcolm%20Crowe.jpg



This is a Metro bus involved in a bad accident.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/38937000/jpg/_38937691_bus203_bbc.jpg

Here is the new Scania fitted with side wheels to be able to run in a special road with sides the wheels run along. Metro have these.

http://www.citytransport.info/NotMine/Fastway.jpg

This last pic shows the garages kind off.

http://worthingbusrally.co.uk/rally_2005_pics.htm

We still have old bus's we drive, Darts and others, so we aint all new technoligy you know :roll:.

This is what Gwiwer (Rick) drove when he was a lad :mutley

http://home.fastnet.co.uk/gerrycork/amberleybus/three_little_dennises.jpg

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Interesting pics there Phill. That Dennis Dart certainly seems to have come a cropper! The Scania with guide wheels is available as a model from Creative Master Northcord.

I remember Crawley Bus Station in the '60s - LT green RTs and RFs (including Green Line ones), Southdown Queen Marys plus Park Royal and Beadle bodied Leyland PD2s were the dominant life forms then.

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Phill.  We have a similar thing here in Adelaide.  It's called an O-bahn.  The little jockey wheels at the front steer the bus along a concrete channel type road.  They can travel at 100km/h, so I'm told, with the driver not holding the steering wheel.  Sol can probably conjure up a pic with a bit of prompting.  Cheers  Max

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Yes. I have travelled on the O-bahn bus here in Adelaide at 100kmh - quite good

for a pic or two, have a gander at this site

http://www.railpage.org.au/tram/obahn.html

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Nice pics. Yes simaler but ours are on the main road, only Crawley has them and so i never tried them. Some of the drivers have told us they can be ok but you have to hover the wheel as if you hit a stone of anything it can make it jump off :shock:, never happened yet thou thank goodness.

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And now for something completely different ...

Many years ago (probably nearly 25 years!) I built a snowy Winter layout for exhibition in Rockhampton in Central Queensland in mid-Summer! I called, rather unimaginatively, "Winter Lane". Unfortunately it was built in a hurry then exhibited then dismantled rapidly after that, so I didn't get many photos of it. It was a bit rough around the edges but actually was quite a good layout to operate.

The train visible in the background is a Swindon class 120 Cross-Country DMU, converted from a Lima 117 using the Craftsman kit. The MCW Metroliner coach is a Pirate Models etched brass and white metal kit, finished in a fictional livery. Snow was mainly plaster mixed with brilliant white and a hint of blue powder paints. I stayed with a good friend who ended up with lots of little white patches on his lawn where I had sprayed the trees from above!  As it was a single operator layout (my wife was assisting on the gate) I had a rather tight continuous loop so I could keep a couple of DMUs running while I had lunch - one of these can just be glimpsed upper centre right.

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Further to my comments on "Members Choice" - I'm not surprised you've dug that snow up Jeff- might help you cool off a bit.

If that's "rough round the edges" - you can build me a bit of rough anytime !!:roll::lol:

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Thanks Peter! :cheers

Here is another diorama that was intended to show off several London Buses Dennis Darts and an MCW MetroRider, all built from white metal kits. The diorama was rather hastily cobbled together (in about two afternoons) and it shows!

The first one shows, left to right, they are: Reeve Burgess/Plaxton Pointer 8.5m DR class (RTC Kits), Carlyle/Duple Dartline 8.5m DT class (Mark Hughes kit - lovely castings!), Reeve Burgess/Plaxton Pointer 9.0m DRL class (RTC Kits), MCW MetroRider MR class (Lowland kit) and Wright HandiBus 8.5m DW class Dart. Also visible are a Vauxhall Viva HB (TPM CarKit 4 resin and white metal kit), repainted Hornby Ford Sierra, Hillman Hunter mark II (TPM CarKit 4 resin and white metal kit), and a Ford Transit box van (ABS Streetscene white metal kit).



The second pic shows the DRL and DT more closely.



 

I have to say that between them, Mark Hughes and Bernard Taylor (TPM) do some of the finest white metal and resin castings and brass and stainless steel etchings I have ever seen.

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Gorgeous stuff, Jeff. Question: in the picture just below the beautiful summer scene with the weeping willow and swans, there appear some red suburban coaches I had never seen before. What are they exactly (they look rather like some kind of tube or rapid transit cars)?

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Sergio, the red London Transport stock is described in post 37 (on page 2). The coach visible in the photo immediately below the willows pic is a Q23 car of the District Line. To its left is a Q27 car (or is it a Q31? - I can't tell from that shot!) and to its right a Q38 car. Behind can be glimpsed some CO/CP stock - same body design ass the Q38 stock. The numbers are the year the design came out. After 1959, all new stock was built in unpainted aluminium but the last of the red surface stock (CO/CP trains) ran in 1981 and the last tube cars (1938 stock on the Northern line) ran in 1986.

These were what were referred to as "Surface Lines" on the London Underground and the stock was full-sized - slightly wider, in fact, than standard British Railways stock. True tube stock ran on the deep level lines and is produced by EFE in ready to run form but not motorised.

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Time for another flurry of activity: since the buses seem to be going over well, here is my prize-winning diorama of 2006. It depicts a typical London Transport bus garage circa 1978-80. The garage itself is made from two Superquick card kits. Note that the "S" in Transport on the front of the garage is missing - I had run out of S's so this one depicts a sign with a letter that has fallen off!

Bus types are D/DM/DMS Daimler Fleetlines (EFE, mostly modified), MD MCW Metropolitans (Britbus), T class Leyland Titan TN series (some Pirate Models white metal kits, others EFE diecast), M class MCW Metrobuses (some Pirate Models white metal kits - a favourite of mine - and some OOC diecast, mostly modified), LS class Leyland Nationals (slightly modified EFE diecasts), and an FS class Ford Transit (ABS Streetscene white metal kit).

As usual, please ask questions if you wish to know more.






The Morris Marina and Ford Transit vans above are both ABS Streetscene white metal kits. EFE Nationals all have their wheels moved out to fill the wheel arches (widening their gauge!!  ;-) ) and the windscreen surrounds and wheel arch edges coated in black.





The DMS types above show two of the modifications: the one with the white stripe has a resin front with the narrow headlights of the first deliveries in 1972 (I'm not sure they kept their white stripes as long as 1978!), the one immediately to the right of it has a resin B20 back end grafted on.






 

The base board has since been "recycled" and used for another diorama, although the bus garage survives for possible (probable!) use on a new layout. It really needs extra detailing, such as proper gutters to cover the printed ones but, overall, it still looks OK.


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That last photo Jeff of inside the depot - the amount of light is just right.
There are 2 BRMA members here is SA who are keen bus owners as well.

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Very nice Jeff, thank you. It reminds me of the days I spent trekking around London in search of those elusive garages (one or two were very hard to find) and vehicles which a young spotter just had to see.

The FS is a reminder of both initiative and a nadir in transport provision. Who would have ever thought that the proud operator who brought us the RT and Routemaster families would be running 16-seat Ford Transit "bread vans". But they did start the smaller bus revolution which has given far denser service coverage since than ever existed before.

I note the "Shillibeer" DM2646 lurking in the back of the shed - something the real one spent most of its time doing rather than being out earning its keep.

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Solly, does one of those people have the initials MW? If it is him, my wife and I stayed with him and his family during the South Australian BRMA Convention in 2007.

The lighting was partly luck, although I did angle the garage to catch as much light as it could through the roof lights for the photo.

Rick, When I lived around Crawley, all we saw were RTs and RFs, all in green. Occasionally a Green Line RT would stray onto my local route, the 426A. Crawley did have the last remaining T (AEC Regal 15T13, not the Titans shown above!) but I never, ever saw it. Of course, there were the Southdown Queen Marys and other types at Crawley Bus Station (I might have said all this before) which were quite strange to my eyes!

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SRman wrote: Solly, does one of those people have the initials MW? If it is him, my wife and I stayed with him and his family during the South Australian BRMA Convention in 2007.

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That is right, now I remember Mark saying that he had an interstater camping at his place.

 

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Lovely pics Jeff. Argh those old nationals, now that was a pig to drive at time,s. Still a few private firms have them around here for school contracts but as a fitter said the other day parts are hard to come by for them now.

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Great shots Jeff.  I particularly like the one inside the shed - as Sol said, the lighting is about spot on :thumbs

To me, a bus was a bus (usually red - I wonder why :hmm) but whilst as a lad in York, I did a bit of "spotting" of "United"  bus codes (I remember that, for example,  code EUG was Express body, Underfloor Gardner engine :pathead:pathead), but I never realised there was quite so much to know about them !!  That's Yorkshire for you - in the 50's we only had one bus !!!!

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Ah the good old united! I grew up around their buses as my dad was a bus driver starting with the depot in Durham then moving on to the Darlington depot. Back then we had proper busses with a bit of style unlike the modern boxes on wheels. Bring back the RE's, LH's, VR's and the nationals. ;-)

That depot looks the business. Of perticular intrest is the marina van and those transits as im building an 80's layout. Do you know if they are still available?

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got to mentoin the Routemaster,s aswell Dave as I worked on the Northern in the 70,s at Chester-le-street depot , didnt the United have Bristol lodekkers aswell ?

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 My dad was a bus driver for the Northern at Stanley in the late 50's and iv'e got his badge somewhere.

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That reminds me, I was given a fob watch (of no particular monetary value) thet belonged to my great great grandfather. It has an inscription on the back from his retirement from the LGOC (that's London General Omnibus Company for anyone who's not au fait with buses!) - it's dated 1915.

 

Quite a keepsake!  :Happy

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Dont remember any routemasters but I do remember the lowdeckers. When we first moved up to the north east from Stoke my dad used to drive the lowdeckers between darlington and newcastle. I used to sit upstairs above the cab and aparently used to jump up and down shouting faster daddy faster mind I was only about 3 at the time. They had a periscope device so that the driver could see the upstairs unless of course theres a three year old looking back down it!! :lol:;-)

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United designed (or modified) a single decker specially to clear Leeman Road bridge in York.  The normal destination boards stuck up above the bus roof but, whilst the bus roof would clear this low bridge, the boards wouldn't so they made a "special" with the board tops at roof height.

They also ran Lodekkers in York.  That was exciting because, if memory serves me correctly, they were the first double deckers in the city and again, just managed to clear some of the through-city wall openings although none of the "Gates".

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Are these the bus's you mean Peter, admittadly they are in Bristol but must be the same?

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That's the one Phill but as I said earlier - all buses were red in those days !!   Maybe so you could see them coming :roll::roll::roll:

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Petermac wrote: That's the one Phill but as I said earlier - all buses were red in those days !!   Maybe so you could see them coming :roll::roll::roll:

Nah stealth is best, creep up on the stop, they stick their hand out at the last minute and its' "oh dear too late to stop" :twisted: or a big puddle and oh heck the bus cant weave away and they get soaked :twisted: :mutley:mutley. Of course i have never done that, :roll:

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Do I detect a spot of rust on your halo. phill???

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SRman wrote: Do I detect a spot of rust on your halo. phill???

Me SR, nah as pure as the driven snow me mate :roll:

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Sounds like a snow job to me!  :cool wink

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I know English is my second language but it appears everyone has started talking a foreign language on here.  I am the only one who has no idea what you lot are on about :roll:

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Bus enthusiasts are just as bad as rail enthusiasts for using jargon, Chris!

London bus enthusiasts are twice as bad because we talk in letters, such as RT, RF, RM, STL, etc., or even worse, the number and letter internal codes LT staff used, so there were things like 9T9, 14T12, 4RF4, 14STL10, and so on. And NO, I'm not going to explain all of those now!!!   :chicken

TOPS has a bit  to answer for too, since we all go around mouthing things like 205 (you'll know that one, Chris  ;-) ), 24, 47, etc. And in this case the numbers are retrospectively applied to the classes when we see pictures or videos of them before they became class 22, or whatever.

Of course, there are other nicknames too, too many to mention, but things like Western, Hymek or Deltic. Queen Mary seems to have cropped up a lot in both the bus and the rail worlds - Southdown Queen Mary Leyland PD3s, Hants & Dorset Queen Mary Bristol LWLs with ECW full-front bodies, or Southern Railway Queen Mary brake vans.

 

Oh what fun we have, confusing all our non-enthusiast listeners, and even a few who are enthusiasts!!  :hmm

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More competition for the damned hat, Chris. Any more of this bloody bus take-over stuff and I'll start deleting posts and banning posters. I'm not afraid to use my super-powers I tell you :exclam:exclam  :mutley:mutley:mutley

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Argh come on my Welsh Wizard we only talking Bus's, something the railway really started doing back when railways began, so what is the harm, :thumbs

Quick to please him anyone got a GWR bus he can see, maybe then he be fine.


Infact take a look at these 2 mate,

http://www.rayjacksonart.co.uk/images/om/om_01_gwr_bus_in_witney.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/GWR_bus_AF84_on_Helston_service.jpg/200px-GWR_bus_AF84_on_Helston_service.jpg


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At the risk of repeating myself - all buses are red !!! :cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers

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Only when the yobs get on a Saturday night, then all bus's are red through the drivers eyes :twisted::mutley

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 At the risk of repeating myself - all buses are red !!! :cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers

 

 

Don't you mean LATE Peter:mutley:mutley

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Kevr wrote:  

 At the risk of repeating myself - all buses are red !!! :cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers:cheers

 

 

Don't you mean LATE Peter:mutley:mutley

Red-late :???::???:.........Late-red :roll::roll::roll:.......Ah,  now I see - R E L A T E D  :cheers:cheers:cheers

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Peter - Thay look good Jeff although I have to say, I'm glad I don't live in that house !! :lol::lol:

Some nice stuff here and very inspirational, too!

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Jeff (SRman) I apologise for the above few posts that have gone off-topic, it will not happen again :exclam (until the next time, that is).

I think it is all the fault of too many of these :cheers

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:lol:

 

No worries Ron. I belong to the "Blackburn Hijack Group" with Neil Wood (already well known here!) and DougN from other forums - we specialise in hijacking threads on forums and taking them wa-a-a-ay off topic!  ;-)

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we only talking Bus's, something the railway really started doing back when railways began, so what is the harm, :thumbs

Phill you missed out two words from that statement.......

we only talking Bus's, something the railway really started doing back when railways began to decline , so what is the harm, :thumbs
Next you will be joining the beaching fan club!!! :lol:

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Some more photos, mostly of High Cross and its surrounds. Believe it or not, there are some buses in the pics too (bus alert!!!!)!


The first one, though, is of Middlehurst buffer stops, showing how I designed it as a truncated through line - after Beeching! It was also a clever ploy that allows me to extend the layout onwards if I ever want to.




Next are a group of photos of the High Cross village High Street. Buildings are from Scenix (Pocketbond), Airfix, Hornby Skaledale, and the Albion Garage made from Wills plastic materials using an Alphagraphix card kit as the basis, but with some dimensions stretched to more realistic realms. The petrol pumps are the old Matchbox (Lesney) die cast ones repainted with computer printed dials added, and the interior of the garage is detailed with various white metal components. The whole garage scene is another of my lift-out self-contained dioramas. The Scenix shops, like all Scenix buildings, have solid painted windows. I intend to drill these out and fit proper interiors in the future but, in the meantime, I couldn't resist the appeal of the Express Models flashing neon Fish & Chips sign - it's gimmicky, I know, but effective too - the blue fish remains illuminated while the pink Fish & Chips bits flash on and off.


























I know it's a little fuzzy, but this next one serves to illustrate the size difference between deep level "tube" stock and the "surface line" trains. 1938 tube stock on the left (EFE) and 1938 CO/CP stock (Harrow Models white metal kits) on the right. London Transport RT double decker (EFE) and Green Line RF single-decker (a very dusty Concept Models plastic kit) pass each other under the lines approaching High Cross station.




The last two show what is to come. The church scene covers the entry to the fiddle yards, and will have a woodland and graveyard as well as the Hornby Skaledale church. There will not be so many road vehicles when finished, but I thought that the Pocketbond Morris Minor "woody" estate was an ideal vicar's car.






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Jeff.  At the risk of gratuitous back slapping - for which this forum is definitely NOT known - that is a great layout.  Wendy and I are planning a fan trip on the Overland this winter.  I'd love to drop in and see it live - on the way to Rick's - or on the way back . . .   One of my clients works for GSR and he's going to give me the knod when the specials are on.   - and then there's Neil's as well!

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Jeff - another very nice set of pics, thank you.

I love some of the attention to detail, not least the gentleman performing nature's duty in the first shot.

I can see similarities there to my own style of modelling what one sees in life (as opposed to the sometimes pristine and sterile version one sees around the traps); I get a certain amount of comments when people spot my courting couple discreetly concealed on a quiet corner of the beach.

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Jeff.  At the risk of gratuitous back slapping - for which this forum is definitely NOT known - that is a great layout.  Wendy and I are planning a fan trip on the Overland this winter.  I'd love to drop in and see it live - on the way to Rick's - or on the way back . . .   One of my clients works for GSR and he's going to give me the knod when the specials are on.   - and then there's Neil's as well!
Thans for the compliments Max.  You would be very welcome to call in here. We do have a fold out sofa-bed if you wished to stop for a night. As you say, there is also Neil's layout, less than five minutes walk away from here. There are also a couple of other BRMA members nearby with layouts.

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Gwiwer wrote: Jeff - another very nice set of pics, thank you.

I love some of the attention to detail, not least the gentleman performing nature's duty in the first shot.

I can see similarities there to my own style of modelling what one sees in life (as opposed to the sometimes pristine and sterile version one sees around the traps); I get a certain amount of comments when people spot my courting couple discreetly concealed on a quiet corner of the beach.


Rick, I do like to do little cameo scenes but I am really well behind on populating the layout with people. That gents scene uses the Wills kit, with the urinals deliberately painted with a yellowing gloss varnish. The cistern and plumbing are painted with a great Precision Paints colour called "oily steel", together with fairly typical blue and white tiles giving the whole thing a typically grotty look. A lot of what I do is from personal observation and memories but, as you would appreciate, it is difficult to check on typically British sights and colour schemes fom so far away.

One advantage of the camera is that I can hide some of the more unfinished bits of the layout. Even so, I've always believed in putting "place holders" (temporary structures - just look at that old Airfix footbridge on High Cross station where I need to scratchbuild some proper covered stairs and/or ramps!) in rather than leaving empty areas.

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A good thing, perhaps, that no-one has yet come up with DCC odour-cards!

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Jeff - there's so much detail in those shots that I could spend hours looking at them :thumbs

Your memory serves you well my firend - a photographic record wouldn't be too far away from what you've created and in any case,  I doubt photographing the old "Gents" would go down too well in UK :roll::roll::roll:

I love the "Fish & Chips" sign and I'm glad you answered my question before I asked it !!!  Rather typically of the traffic in UK, it all seems log-jammed and I'l bet the guy in the Morgan is a tiny bit fed up not being able to get his foot down.  "Milkie" carrying his hand crate is something else that I noticed along with the Isetta (?) bubble car.

It must have been taken on a hot day because didn't I see 2 Wall's Ice Cream vans on their rounds ?

Lovely stuff Jeff. :thumbs

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Jeff some more great photos you have certainly creating some great scenes on the layout .

Its details like those that make the layout interesting things like the fish and chip sign add even more interest have you looked at the arcing units to create a flash from the third rail they do look quite good.

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Very nice set of photos, Jeff. I like the variety of vehicles. There are some very attractive buildings too.
I'm a big fan of those neon signs.

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Wonderfull detail in all your pics Jeff, saved them in my pic folder. Need to look closer when i can get the time.

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I have been smuggling your (and a few others') pics to our Modellers' Forum in Argentina: THey are simply aghast. Congrats!

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I am going to assume that you haven't read the Announcements with regard to forum copyright or the small print at the bottom of the front page so I have to remind you of the forum statement shown below with regard to forum copyright. You have two alternatives as I see it :

1. Remove the material you have copied from the place you have posted it to.

or

2. Contact the owners of the material and ask for their permission to use it in the way you have done. From the forum viewpoint this is a very serious matter.

"Unless stated otherwise, all the material displayed on this web site, including all text, photographs, drawings and other images, is copyright and the property of the respective contributor. Registered members are welcome to use it for their own personal non-commercial modelmaking purposes. It must not be reproduced or re-published elsewhere in any form, or used commercially, without first obtaining the owner's express permission."

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Sorry, Bob and lads! I had not realized: as with the texts and pics in our Argentine fora, I thought ours were in the public domain; as a matter of fact, I was trying to put together a few of our better pictures to share with you. I should, of course, have read the rules more carefully. It simply never ocurred to me that anybody would have problems sharing (albeit unbeknownst to them) their layouts with modellers in faraway corners of the world - so much so that I acrually tohought you would like the fact that my Argentine friends had liked the pcitures so much.

Technically, unfortunately, it is imposible to withdraw the pictures (the way it works is that you attach them to your message and then individual members open them), so all I can do is ask you a) to forgive my carelessness and b) retroactively to authorize my having borrowed the photos. Needless to say, I shall be less reckless in the future.

 I love it here and would very much regret it if somehow or other I had damaged the atmosphere of comradeship and trust. I do hope we can leave matters at that without hard feelings. 

The pictures I have posted can be used any which way.

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Hi Sergio.  I support Bob's position completely, but in the unlikely event that any of my pictures or text take your fancy, you have my permission to re-use them.  Usually with copyright, acknowledging the creator is important.  This is only my permission, but it's a start.  Cheers  Max

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Unfortunately, I have erased my messages, so the only way I have of tracing those pictures is by carefully going through our own YMR homepage and then clicking on every plausible thread (mainly our Layouts) and see whether there are any pictures I might have copied.

As far as I have been able to trace them, the pictures I have pilfered are by Dukedog, Henryparrot, MikeC and, of course SRman.

Since I have systematically introduced the photos with something like "A fellow modeller in the English forum I am a member of has published these beautiful pictures", the one way of now adding credits to all but SRman's (I still have the last message) is to aks other members to send me back my relevant messages (IF they have kept them) and then re-send the pictures with their author's name.

If any of you should wish that I do so, please let me know and I shall proceed forthwith.

I could also explain the mishap to my friends in Tren_rodante, if that is any help.

Sorry again, lads!

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Dont worry about the pictures of mine you used i am not worried

At least you know now to ask the authors first im sure many wont mind at all if you ask them anyway.

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Tanx, Brian!

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Fortunately for all concerned this matter has a happy ending and we can now forget about it. However I must stress once more the importance of keeping to our rules as we have been privvy to several posts and photographs that are not for public consumption. Your own posts and photographs can be posted anywhere of course, if you so choose but you must respect others privacy and seek permission before removing anything else from the forum.

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Sergio, I'm happy for you to use my pics with suitable acknowledgements. I have shown at least some on other, more public forums (or very similar poses, anyway). It would be nice to know which ones you have used though, purely to boost my own ego, mind!!!   ;-)  ;-)

 

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One thing I should comment on that appears in my own pics, though, is a certain amount of modellers' licence. For instance, I am aware that generally embankments belong to the railways and fences are nearly always at the bottom of the embankment, although I have seen a pic around Little Petherick Creek in the West Country that proves the exception to the rule. I simply didn't have enough room for the parkland if I hadn't extended the park up the embankment and put the fences there.

There are lots of other things where I have had to use selective compression, as, I would guess, have many of you guys too.

As to all the road vehicles, I have already declared my bus interests, together with a good many different cars and lorries made from kits or kit-bashed EFE lorries, so my roads are indeed getting to the "grid-locked" stage ... come to think of it, so are the rails, as I always seem to have one or two trains too many on, causing operational problems. At least with DCC I can shunt locomotives or trains onto the same stretch of track, something a lot more difficult to do on straight DC.

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MikeC wrote: Well Jeff there's only one thing to do - expand!

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There you go Jeff, there's the authorisation for you to go ahead with that new layout.:wow:doublethumb:Happy

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Here are a few more photos, all on the Middlehurst branch.

 

First, a closer view of the Wills gents toilet. I have subsequently cut the base off of the man and glued him to the floor properly.

 



 

Next a couple of shots of the Middlehurst goods shed, made from a modified Ratio timber merchant's shed kit. The very tired paintwork was a lucky accident, as i was trying to use a Humbrol colour that had all but dried up in the tin.

 



 



 

Next up, the other end of the Middlehurst boards, showing the engine sheds with a part-finished North British Locomotive Co. type 2 B-B (later class 22) diesel-hydraulic on shed. This is a Silver Fox resin body on a Bachmann class 20 chassis.

 



 

And finally (for now), the Middlehurst signal box and level crossing. The signal box was made from an MKD plastic kit which was an exact clone of the Wills kit but with a different roof texture, at half the price. I added some Wills tiles for the roof. The interior is fully detailed, and includes a cat sitting on the signal man's favourite comfy chair! You will probably note that the track here is not ballasted, the last section of track left to do on the Middlehurst boards.

 


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Lovely scenes, Jeff. That's a very attractive signal box.
The level crossing looks very neat too. Any tips on how to do it?

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Great urban scenes, love the congested street traffic, makes you want to take the train to get anywhere in that world.

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Once again some lovely scenes with lots going on. I love the atmosphere of your railway.

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Back to buses for a moment: Somewhere a while ago flat-front Bristol VRs were mentioned, and I said I had done such a conversion on an EFE VR2 model with a Pirate Models front cut in half, and the upper deck overhang reduced very slightly. Here is a pic of that conversion, representing a Southdown bus in the very drab NBC leaf green. Next to it is a VR3 built from a Pirate Models white metal kit before the EFE models were ever thought of. This one also represents a Southdown NBC bus and also mark the first time I had used weathering powders.

The weathering powders were bought for me by my wife, but when I showed her the result she said, "What did you do that for?". She hadn't actually worked out what weathering was and when I explained it to her, she said "I would never have bought them for you if I'd known that's what they were for!"  :brickwall

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I just wired in the floodlights for the engine aheds at Middlehurst - that area has always been a rather dark little corner! Looking at it, I might have to add a couple more lights, but having done the hard bit of getting the wires to the control panel, adding some more lights to the connector block in parallel will be easy.

Thought I'd take a few photos; here are a couple. I couldn't resist adding a night sky and some stars on one of them.





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Nice Jeff, great atmosphere, looks like an Aussie sky... you can see the stars!

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Excellent, Jeff. Great atmosphere.

At one time I used a big piece of black card with pinholes in it and a battery operated light behind for a night sky. I crudely cut out a moon too. It worked quite well. Can't beat the real thing though. That shot of yours is a beauty.

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Thanks guys. Ummm, Mike ... I don't know how to tell you this but ... the sky was a fake! I used a gradient fill with transparency against a darker background, painted in the stars using a few colour tints then blurred it, all in Paint Shop Pro. I did put a hint of the Orion constellation there though.


It looks better  than our dining room as a backdrop, though!


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Very nice Jeff. 

 

I was going to ask if you had redecorated your kitchen.:mutley

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ahhhhhh It was the Orion constellation that threw me !! :shock: As if! :lol:
Nice work. I just assumed you had superimposed the layout on a photo of the sky.

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so did i, who`s a clever so and so then ??

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Effective lights, although I think your layout looks great in daylight. Quick question - what make is the large engine shed? It looks very impressive. Is it made from card?

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Thanks again, guys.

Bob(K), the engine sheds are a card Superquick double track one, made up pretty well as per instructions, and one-and-a-half Airfix/Dapol plastic ones to form a three-bay single track shed. There are two open tracks between the two shed buildings. The small hut is also a plastic kit (part of an Airfix one that had another larger hut in it too) and the water tank is also the Airfix/Dapol plastic one.

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I have done a few more videos of my various sound locomotives. Again a warning as the files are quite large (in the 20 to 30 MB range).

First up, a Bachmann Class 37 reblown with Howes' refurbished class 37 sounds. Not demonstrated here, function 13 gives the sound of seagulls!





Next, The Bachmann class 24, reblown with Howes' class 24 sounds and also having undergone a body swap since the previous video. The green body required a minor modification inside, with the removal of a spigot, plus the cab interiors of the blue one as the lights and their contacts are a part of the interior mouldings.





And finally for this session, a Hornby class 60, with the unsullied Hornby sound set (just with the volume turned down a bit!). I have, however, swapped bodies, substituting my weathered Mainline liveried 60 078 body (and cab interiors) for the original EWS liveried one.



 


I took these three videos myself, so forgive any shaky camera work as I was also operating the trains at the same time!


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They are excellent, Jeff!  The British diesels don't scream like their US counterparts.  Lovely uploading work.  Did you manipulate the project files at all?  The ESU files need quite a bit of work once you get them from the website.

Is Howes another source of .wav files?  They obviously upload OK into Loksound decoders.   I'd be interested to find out more.  Do they have a website?

I really enjoyed your videos.  Great work.  I know from first hand what a challenge that was.  Well done!

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Great vids Jeff - really enjoyed those.  What a huge difference sound makes to a model. :thumbs

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I don't have a LokProgrammer to manipulate the files so no, I haven't modifed them at all from the Howes or Hornby originals.

I did ask Bryan of Howes to change the horns on the 37 - compare with the rather squeaky ones on the unrefurbished 37 035 in one of the earlier videos (I know they are recorded off the real ones but I didn't want two with the same squeaky sounds!). I should add that Bryan is very accommodating for people's needs or wants.

Both the new 37 and the 24 have particularly good top end thrash, although I have boxed in the original Bachmann speakers (as described earlier) and added extra 20mm speakers, in one nose of the 37 and at the other end of the PCB on the 24. The unrefurbished 37 seemed to go a little mushy at the top end, whereas the original Bachmann 37 is very good. The original Bachmann 24 was very good at the lower end (idle and revving up) but less good at the top end, again seeming a little mushy.

 

All of those statements are my own opinions; sound is a very personal thing, particularly with the compromises inherent in scaling them into a tiny decoder and titchy little speakers!  :hmm

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Added to list of things to do before I die: get a class 37 with sound like that.

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For anyone who had difficulty with the size of the previous video files, I am now in the process of uploading some reduced size versions - they vary from approximately 5MB to 8MB (whereas the previous ones were nearer 20 to 30 MB). Obviously the quality will be considerably reduced but the sound should still be OK. Note that if you have seen the larger files then there is not too much point in viewing these except for listening to the sounds again.

First one, the Bachmann class 24 in original form.




Next, the Bachmann one as modified and reblown with Howes' sounds. I have also altered the cab front gutter line slightly with microstrip.




More will follow over the next couple of days as I upload them (getting a bit late now as it's after midnight!).

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I love that uneven tick-over of the Howes version Jeff - sounds great!  Thanks for posting.

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Still very watchable Jeff. The sounds are great.

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Howes sound recordings have been gaining a great deal of a following recently more and more i notice many modellers preferring their offering of particular sounds of locos.

South west digital 6-8 months ago were considered the best but i think they are certainly losing the crown to Howes

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Great sound !!

As a matter of interest, what's the price difference between Bachmann factory fitted modules and Howes re-blown ?

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SWD have great sounds - some of theirs are probably slightly better than some of the Howes ones. Both are very good as far as the sound quality goes. Where Howes really wins out, though, is in the sheer controllability of their sounds. One can drive the locomotive and the sounds respond to the throttle; that is, you are driving the engine, where SWD and Bachmann sounds force you to drive to the sounds; the sounds drive you!

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I'm not sure who SWD are - or even Howes, for that matter, but the power of what they can do comes from the Loksound decoder made by ESU.  From the factory, the manufacturers install a "Joe Average" set of sound files, which generally follow the motor speed.  It is possible to modify the Project Files in a Loksound decoder to do virtually anything you want.

Some of what can be achieved can be seen in Jeff's excellent videos and also in my Youtube video listed in another thread.  The other big advantage of the OO UK locos as their capacious bodies which, not only allow the fittment of extra speakers, but also resonate superbly.

My challenge, using US outline narrow bodied locos from the '50s, is to get close to that sound with a tiny speaker shoe horned into such a skinny body.  There are some bass reflex speakers available now which produce excellent results, but are once again, too big.

The new videos have lost nothing for me, Jeff.  I enjoyed them just as much.

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Funny you should mention the bass-reflex speakers; while I was waiting for the videos to upload to photobucket I swapped the Hornby oval speaker for a bass reflex one in the class 60. It has made a big difference to the sound, as real class 60s have quite a strong "thunder" to them. It took longer than I intended because I had to modify the clearances slightly to get the body back on. Also, I have inverted the speaker so it points down through the bogie, also good for enhancing bass more.

Incidentally, South West Digital (SWD) supplied Bachmann's sounds.

Anyhow, here are the rest of the smaller format vids. Brief descriptions only since I described them earlier in the original posts.

 

Bachmann class 37s with original sound, double-headed (in consist): 37 693 (since reblown) and 37 698.



 

Bachmann "Dutch" 37 035 with Howes' unrefurbished class 37 sounds.



 

Bachmann Railfreight class 37 693 reblown with Howes' refurbished 37 sounds.



 

Hornby Brush type 2 (class 30 with Mirrlees engine) D5513, renumbered and paint scheme modified, with Howes sound chip and large speaker installed.



 

Bachmann Standard Class 5 4-6-0 with Howes sound. "King Arthur" whistle supplied on request. Decoder and speaker are in the tender, which has extra pickups installed.



 

Heljan class 33/2 6591 with Howes sound and twin speakers installed.



 

Heljan class 35 Hymek D7039 with Howes sounds and twin speakers.



 

Heljan class 47 D1734 with Howes sounds and twin speakers.



 

Hornby class 50 035 "Ark Royal" with Howes sound and large and standard speakers installed.



 

Heljan class 58 004 with Howes sound, bass reflex speaker and standard speaker installed.



 

Hornby class 60 with original Hornby sound installation, body swapped with original EWS 60 048 to become Mainline 60 078.



 

Bachmann class 66 522 reblown with Howes sounds but retaining original speaker setup.


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Well i just listened everyone of the video's you put on your thread and boy i just love the sounds of those Locos'. Thanks for that. Maybe one day i get a sound loco. Hoping to sort some sound for a 08 shunter, incase you did not know but i love 08's

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I'm glad you liked them. The sounds have certainly added to my pleasure in running trains. One of these days I'll do an 08. I know Howes have an ESU Micro decoder to suit but it is still not going to be easy to shoehorn it in.

 

Still to video are a SWD Heljan Western class 52, a standard Bachmann class 20, a Howes/Bachmann class 20 and now the Hornby 60 with bass reflex speaker.

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OOhhhh, looking forward to the Western!

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Jeff I don't have time to view all the videos yet, but thanks for posting them, and hopefully I can see them all soon.

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I could watch / listen to those all day Jeff.  Great stuff.

Do you find it confusing if you run say 2 or 3 sound locos at the same time or does it just sound like the real thing ?

Also, may favourite moments are when the locos set off with all that power unleashed - only the exhaust tails are missing.  Are the revs changed automatically as you change the controller ?  I currently just have the cheapo Bachmann EZ simple controller.  Whilst I know I can't mess with CV's on it, will it give similar sound effects to those you've got as I increase speed etc. ?

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Petermac, they should give the same results on your Bachmann controller. The Howes sounds are quite throttle-sensitive, so, using the 28 speed step control that I use as standard, one can throttle up, the loco revs up and starts to move then accelerates gently to the speed chosen. With the 33s, if I accelerate to around speed step 7, the loco will only rev part way (like a half throttle), if I then notch up to speed 13 it will rev right up and accelerate to that speed. Knock the speed back two steps to 11 and the revs will drop back to idle while barely altering the speed. Take it back up to 13 and the revs will come up again.

This is why I am particularly enamoured with the Howes ones over the SWD/Bachmann ones which don't respond to these subtle changes in throttle settings.

The behaviour will still be the same with 128 speed steps on your controller, just that the step changes to trigger engine rev changes will be a little larger - experimentation suggests around 4 steps to trigger them.

Nearly forgot to answer your other question: I do find that any more than two at once can be a bit noisy, or one will drown out the others (especially my favourites, the 33s, as they are a more penetrating sound). Even so, I had an operating session today with a friend and we had four going at once: one on the main lines, one in the branch platforms at High Cross, and two on the branch terminus. That wasn't too bad as the branch has a high backscene to physically separate it from the main boards, which also separates the sounds somewhat.

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I agree with Jeff having to many sound locos running at once in a confined area the sound can become mixed .

actually if you think about it its no differant than if you were in close proximity to half a dozen real locos the sound there would become mixed.

I have noticed on forums there is some debate about sound locos at exhibitions where some say it can become a bit of a din and perhaps some have them set volume wise to high for an exhibition.

I can see this is possible although i must say i have never found any offensive at exhibitions i have been to. I think possibly some of these complaints may be people who always like to have a bit of a dig about any new area of the hobby.

If i had to pick out a sound loco which to date i would say can become a bit irritating over a period of time it would have to be the class 20 Whistling sound it makes i think that is because its is quite high pitched

Myself i have at least one loco idling in the background all the time they are brilliant short indicators.

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I think the irritating sounds at exhibitions are the horns, whistles and bells, rather than the engine or steam sounds, although I have to agree the class 20 whistle is ratehr irritating, particularly in the standard Bachmann incarnation.

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I assume you send your decoders by post to Howes to have them reblown

Are they happy to reblow any Loksound decoder whether they have supplied it or not obviously as long as it is working properly.

If so is there a standard charge for this of do the amounts vary depedant on loco?

In a earlier post you mentioned adding extra speakers i have on a 47 and 37 both with extra speakers in the fuel tanks i found this gave them a deeper sound.

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SRman wrote: I think the irritating sounds at exhibitions are the horns, whistles and bells, rather than the engine or steam sounds, although I have to agree the class 20 whistle is ratehr irritating, particularly in the standard Bachmann incarnation.
Jeff, yes I found the basic sound from a Bachmann 20 is rather off-putting due to its running whistling sound. I will get Max to look at it & play with it.

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In answer to Brian, there is a standard charge for reblowing decoders. I think it is currently around £UK17.50 - but check out Howes and SWD's websites as they both offer reblowing and seem to be competitive on charges. I do send only the decoder as postage is a lot cheaper than sending the whole locomotive there and back. As they are rather valuable I still send them insured postage.

And they will reblow any ESU sound decoder, not just their own sales. Bryan from Howes also says that he has variations on most of the sound projects to suit older 16 Mb chips or newer 32 Mb chips - the newer ones can have a few extra features and functions. They can also do 8-pin or 21-pin decoders.

Bryan will also do requests for special features if he has the sounds available. For example, the Standard class 5 steam sounds have the option of one of three whistles; BR standard; LMS type, or; SR King Arthur type.

 

For one customer he put a seagull sound on one of the functions on a class 33 - subsequently he has added that to the refurbished class 37, as well as giving me different horns from the unrefurbished one, at my behest.

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henryparrot wrote: I have noticed on forums there is some debate about sound locos at exhibitions where some say it can become a bit of a din and perhaps some have them set volume wise to high for an exhibition.

I can see this is possible although i must say i have never found any offensive at exhibitions i have been to. I think possibly some of these complaints may be people who always like to have a bit of a dig about any new area of the hobby.

cheers Brian


I think this is the truth of it.  It hasn't bothered me at all although to be honest most of the sound I've heard at exhibitions is Jeffs and mines. Sound hasn't really caught on over here yet.  I think the detractors are the same guys who slag off DCC.

 

I will normally have at least four or five on the go at home and it is fine.  Like you said that's what you would get in a station.

Having said that though there are some days when I go out there with a hangover and I will have them all in stealth mode.

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Having said that though there are some days when I go out there with a hangover and I will have them all in stealth mode.

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I have just had the chance to go through all the clips and enjoy the sounds. Most seem to be very true to the original engine sounds though I'll reserve judgement about the horns. The Hymek is not quite as "hydraulic" as I remember them though it is now quite a few years since I heard on one the main line!

Lovely work Jeff and I do look forward to the Western in due course. My first and only "live" experience of sound DCC was courtesy of Brian recently so I am as new to this as anyone.

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I have been using the church scene as a backdrop to take a few bus photos recently,even though the scene is by no means complete. Here are a few of them.

These two are EFE models of AEC Reliance coaches with Alexander 'Y' type bodies from the mid-1960s, in the service of Premier Travel of Cambridge (there were many other operators around the UK using the name Premier!). The leading one has ABS Streetscene white metal wheels fitted which improve the appearance considerably. I must get around to painting those plastic interiors!



 

One of my favourites, a Premier Travel Burlingham Seagull coach built and modified from an Anbrico / Model Bus Company white metal kit. I like white metal for the ability to recreate the polished trim easily. I had only one coloured photo to work from, so those roof hatches are partially created by guesswork. The headlights are very cheap paste jewels and the little front grille was hand-painted on using black paint to create a cross-hatched effect - if i had thought about it a little longer, I would have painted the whole area black then painted the cross-hatches in the blue colour. The blue is hand-mixed too.



 

A London & Country mark 2 Leyland National modified from a long EFE model, using a Pirate Models white metal front and Milliput to fill in the area where the roof pod used to be. Windscreen is actually the EFE mark 1 type reused but angled outwards with the edges filled in with Krystal Klear liquid glazing. Coincidentally, this particular bus appeared in a Mr Bean episode - L & C only had a couple of long mark 2s.



 

A Stagecoach South (ex-Southdown) Leyland National 2 created the same way as the L & C one above, but with Pirate Models white metal wheels as well - these are better profile than the original EFE ones. The stripes are BusTrans transfers touched in with paint.


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Thanks for the comments, Rick, and welcome home!

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Love the bus shots and the stagecoach national i have the pleaseure of driving a few.

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just sat and watched/listend to your vids, thoroughly enjoyed them
but as been said i don`t think i could have more than one/two running
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I posted the following on RMweb as well, but I may as well show off here too  ;-):

This Bristol RESL in Brighton, Hove & District livery is not what it seems! It was actually built from a Tower Models Leyland National plastic kit (there's one built almost as per the kit, except for the Cooper Craft wheels, behind the Bristol). I used a white metal Model Bus Company / ABS Streetscene front modified to represent the early low windscreen version, together with Bristol wheels from the same source. The widows were filed out and the lower edges filled, the body smoothed and microstrip added, the rear had 40 thou plastic pillars added (I cheated as I didn't round off the inner corners!) and the roof filed into a rounded and shallower profile (lots of "meat" on the Tower Models original). This is not an accurate model but is pretty close dimensionally and looks like what it is supposed to represent, to me, anyway. I was quite proud of it when I did it originally.





For anyone who has made the Tower Models National kit, moving the front bumper upwards a millimetre or so makes a big difference to the appearance of the front.

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Nice one Jeff. If you can find or create the rego and a "37 Bristol Estate" destination in the correct font that would really ice the cake.

I was always amused by the fact that Bristols ran to Bristol Estate. Just like much farther north where Fishwick's Leylands would show the destination "Leyland" :cool wink

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I have just taken a few photos of my latest acquisition and a little bit of repainting and renumbering. Lighting wasn't very good so they aren't the best but here goes!

 

First, two shots of the new acquisition: I lashed out and bought myself a Bachmann Collectors Club Silverlink Class 150/1. I don't like the Silverlink livery on the real things but I think it looks just great on a model, especially one as good as the Bachmann 150. I haven't yet added the detailing bits - I had only just finished running it in and fitted a decoder.

 



 



 

Now, the renumbered Bachmann Class 66. It was 66 135 but as I bought it second-hand off eBay it came heavily weathered - just a bit too much for my liking - so i have now actually touched up a bit and reduced the weathering. It now wears the identity of 66 089. The renumbered area still looks a bit more glossy than the rest of the locomotive as I haven't matt varnished it yet.

 



 



 



 

This area of the layout has never been fully finished, and never will be as I'll be dismantling it in the near future.

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Yep! I'm afraid it has to go. My other half wants to swap rooms, so the present railway room becomes the sitting room and the current sitting room becomes the railway room. Add to that that I want to design something I don't have to crawl under, and the room is a different sized space, and it becomes a good opportunity to start again. I have a few ideas already ...

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I presume JeffSR, that some of the existing layout photos will also be published in the TCH for other modellers not of the YMR faith:question

Now this means a new Layout thread, goody:Happy

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Good point Ron. I haven't contributed much to TCH since I gave up editorship. I should send a few of my better pics to Graham.

I suppose you are right about a new layout thread too! I alreaday have offers of help from the local Blackburn South crew, so once I get started, I hope progress will be fairly rapid.

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A much older photo (taken with my old 1 megapixel camera, so this is full size and resolution, I'm afraid) showing the Albion Garage at High Cross village.

The garage itself was based firmly on the Alphagraphix card kit (still using some of the signs) but with all the major components replaced with Wills plastic sheets - brick, tiles and corrugated asbestos sheeting, with a little bit of plasticard thrown in (barge boards and roof strengthening, floors, etc.). The depth of the garage was increased a little compared to the original card template, so as to allow a Minix car like the Morris 1100 to sit fully inside the garage bay. The interior is fully detailed with work benches, gas bottles, tyres and hoist, plus pools of oil and grease.

 

The petrol pumps are the old Matchbox ones painted up with dials printed on my computer. Cars are repainted Minix and EFE, bus is an EFE RM, with a Langley Foden S21 "Mickey Mouse" Esso tanker just looming into the shot. The bus sheleter is Langley.

 

The railway runs behind the buildings in the background - the over-track signal box can be glimpsed.

 

The photo IS modified to eliminate board edges and distracting background clutter.

 

This scene still looks much the same today, although the road vehicles do change a bit and the garage brick walls have had the mortar coloured in. The whole segment with the garage can be lifted out of the scenery as a small diorama in its own right.

 



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This one shows the mostly complete High Cross station building area, on its overhead bridge. As can be seen, I still had to add  the wall capping.

 

The Harry Potter Knight Bus was done for a bit of fun (as was a Minix Anglia elsewhere on the layout!). It was made from two EFE RT family buses (an RT and an RTL). I mixed the purple shade myself, with several attempts before I was happy with it - it's probably academic anyway, since the bus was filmed in darkness! When this photo was taken I had not done the destination sign and middle deck glazing. Other buses visible are all EFE RT and RM families, except the RF single decker at the back, which is an ABS Streetscene (ex-GS Models) white metal kit.

 

The Singer Gazelle is one of Bernard Taylor's TPM CarKit-4 resin and white metal kits.

 

The main building is a Townstreet plaster-cast kit (lovely kits to make and paint!). A 4CEP unit from a Southern Pride kit lurks in the bay platform below the bridge. This doesn't get much running at the moment because I haven't fitted it with a DCC decoder yet.



 




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How has that Harry Potter bus managed to appear on film?  It is usually moving so fast nobody can see it!

Great Jeff.

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Which Harry Potter bus?



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The High Cross boards are now looking very bare as I am in the last throes of stripping them before dismantling. As a last gasp for the operational layout, I have run my three bachmann 4CEP units in multiple (as a DCC consist). Even with a lot of the scenery and buildings gone, there is still nowhere I can get a clear shot of the 12CEP, although two of these do come close. I should add that the three units ran perfectly together, even though two have Hornby Sapphire decoders and the third has a Bachmann basic one fitted.








Also visible are the new Heljan green class 33 (bought from Kernow Models and, as yet, unmodified - I will modify the cab roof profiles), a repainted and detailed Lima class 73 fitted with a new Hornby chassis, a DC Kits 4EPB (unfinished, unglazed but runnable), London Transport CO/CP and F stock (Harrow Models white metal kits) and a Southern Pride 4CEP in green but not yet DCC-fitted.


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You still intend to have the new layout up & working by 19th June when BRMA come to give their approval?

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Heh heh ... absolutely no way!! I have now come up with a plan I like though.

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Ah ....... let me guess ......... 4 CEP units and an EPB among other items on display .........


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SRman wrote: .............!! I have now come up with a plan I like though.

OK, where is it :question  We have to give approval you know :exclam 

( or at least the opportunity to knock it, suggest changes, etc ,etc - you know the drill by now )

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I was lucky enough to see the remnants of Jeffs' excellent layout in January.  With all that experience, the new one is going to be a beauty.

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You flatter me, Max. Thanks! :thumbs

I have posted a new topic for the new layout plans. I'll await all the constructive and helpful comments.

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I have just come back from the "train room", having now cut the one bit of scenery and the three tracks that crossed a board joint - all other joints already had breaks in the tracks but these three siding ends were only short stubs over the next board, so I was too lazy to wire across the joints at the time I laid the track!!

Packed some more stock while having a short running session. The end is drawing very close now ...

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Further "progress": Two-thirds of the main lines and High Cross station are now gone. Only the fiddle yard remains and I'm lifting the track from that at the moment.

Feeling rather depressed as it's the first time in 20 years that I haven't had a layout where I can run trains.  :cry:

Middlehurst still exists and will do for a little longer, with a small fiddle yard to be constructed so i can still shunt trains around until the new layout is built.

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This forum has a lot to answer for Jeff.

There's many a layout gone to the happy "ballasting place in the sky" from here. :cry::cry:  As you say, it's the first time in 20 years you've been without a layout - that's what 18 months membership of YMR does for you !! :mutley:mutley:mutley

You can take comforth from the fact that you're not alone. :cheers:cheers

When are we going to see the new one ? :thumbs

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It may take a few months but my friend Doug (DougN on RMweb) volunteered his services to do the woodwork - my weakest area. Once I have the boards I can lay the Underground tracks first as they will be level all the way round and at the lowest level on the new design. I will be able to wire them up temporarily with DCC to run things while I lay the more complex main lines and branch with their gradients and bridges.

Of course, scenery will take rather longer.

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Well, the Middlehurst branch from the "current" layout still survives, just for a little longer. I can only operate shuttle services and a little bit of shunting but it keeps the interest going. I took a few photos just to show the "emaciated" remains with single road fiddle siding (I can't really call it a fiddle yard!). It is a little more crowded than usual in these photos but with DCC I can easily move individual trains out of the way.

The first pic shows my brand new Bachmann Cravens DMU in the platform. There is a real mix of 1960s and modern stuff at the moment! Also visible in the left foreground are some of the Dapol "Silver Bullet" china clay slurry wagons, one of which is the weathered version from Kernow Models.



 

These following pics show rather more overall views as taken from a helicopter.








That last pic also shows my new Dapol Hatton's special track cleaner.

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SRman wrote: That last pic also shows my new Dapol Hatton's special track cleaner.

Jeff - Thats a lovely looking busy scene. How are you getting on with the Dapol cleaner? I have one and wish I hadn't. It's OK for vacuuming up bits of fluff but as a track cleaner it's useless, even going at the slowest speed imaginable. Any views?:cry:

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I'm very impressed.
Did you take a picture of my 'wants' list?

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Thanks for the comments Les and ddolfelin.

I haven't had much opportunity to try out the track cleaner although a quick run with the vacuum proved very effective. I have fitted a decoder which means I can control the speed of the motor independently of the track speed so I do have some hopes that it will do a reasonable job.

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SRman wrote: I posted the following on RMweb as well, but I may as well show off here too  ;-):

This Bristol RESL in Brighton, Hove & District livery is not what it seems! It was actually built from a Tower Models Leyland National plastic kit (there's one built almost as per the kit, except for the Cooper Craft wheels, behind the Bristol). I used a white metal Model Bus Company / ABS Streetscene front modified to represent the early low windscreen version, together with Bristol wheels from the same source. The widows were filed out and the lower edges filled, the body smoothed and microstrip added, the rear had 40 thou plastic pillars added (I cheated as I didn't round off the inner corners!) and the roof filed into a rounded and shallower profile (lots of "meat" on the Tower Models original). This is not an accurate model but is pretty close dimensionally and looks like what it is supposed to represent, to me, anyway. I was quite proud of it when I did it originally.





For anyone who has made the Tower Models National kit, moving the front bumper upwards a millimetre or so makes a big difference to the appearance of the front.

in your last pic that tan and red bus better get back over or hes gonna get creamed by that lorry on its way down the road....talk about impatient!!!! YIKES!!!

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Better hope the horses in the horse box keep a better look out than the truck driver!
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Of course we drive on the left in the UK, so its the red bus and the truck that have a problem!! Jeff, what make are your platforms in the busy pictures above, they look very adaptable.

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Hi Bob. The platforms at Middlehurst were cut-and-shut Superquick card kits. They are well designed, nicely printed and strong, as well as inexpensive.

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Do you mean the Harry Potter triple-decker bus or the enchanted Ford Anglia (also from the Harry Potter series) that's landed in the oak tree (I don't have a whomping willow so the oak had to make do!)?

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Both! :mutley I really love your layout and especially those two little details... I'm a big Harry Potter fan and it's so awesome to see something like that!

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Darius: I don't mind having a few "silly" things dotted around to make things interesting. I haven't got that far, yet, with the new layout.

Not visible in the photo, there are several squirrels and rabbits in and around the trees and park. I usually asked any visiting children to see if they could find them.

If you are interested, the Anglia is the old Triang Minix one I painted to match the Harry Potter one, including printing the correct number plates on the computer.

The triple-decker bus was made from two EFE RT/RTL buses, bought very cheaply at a swap meet with this project in mind, and hacked a bit to get that middle deck. I played around with paint mixes for quite a while before I came up with a colour I was happy with. Corgi later produced their own version of the Knight Rider bus, complete with the chandelier inside, but their shade of purple looks a bit insipid to me.

Never be afraid to have a little fun with your layouts ... that's what the hobby should be about. FUN!! 


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