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 Posted: Tue Jan 20th, 2009 06:33 pm
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you are certainly cracking on Wayne,coming together nicely

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 Posted: Wed Jan 21st, 2009 07:52 am
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I have just got to say Wayne, this is brilliant, it's hard enough trying to get a simple roof to fit, but yours is  a masterpiece, I am so looking forward to watching tackle each stage.

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 Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 03:35 pm
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Thanks for the comments one and all. It really helps when someone is watching and making comments on a project. It just seems to make me want to get more done and thats a good thing!

Well, I just finished closing in the dormer tops. Talk about fiddly parts to cut out and install. Seemed like my fingers were always in the way.







I now must connect the two roof lines together, a lot like closing in the dormer roofs.

I do have one question, the way I chose to close in the four dormer roofs actually created a somewhat sealed pocket under the roofs. I was wondering if I shouldn't drill a ventilation hole so that it could breath a little. Has anyone had any experience with a closed cavity causing problems?

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Wayne, if you have a "box" completely enclosed and use liquid poly cement, it's better to drill a small hole somwhere so that the fumes can escape and the joints fully harden. Having said that, in most cases there's a gap somewhere, but probably better safe than sorry.

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 Posted: Thu Jan 22nd, 2009 05:38 pm
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Thanks Jeff, yes I do have some sliver type gaps that should prevent pressure from building up, but one never knows. So I think I will be safe, not sorry, and drill some small breather holes while I still can. In the not to distant future I will be unable to get a drill bit in the proper spot to even drill a hole!

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Have you completely glued the roofs in place, or have you left them so that you can paint the inside, and also put the lights where they need to go.

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Alan, the roofs are glued in place. I can still get inside to most places to paint. I've been giving that more thought lately. I have cut large openings in the floors for access.

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Another "master build" Wayne !!

Bet the original builders in the 19th Century wished they could build it as quickly as you do !!

Incidentally, it's just crossed my mind what fun it must be to build a scale model of your own house (at least your kids house).  I wonder how many members have either done that or at least considered it. :roll::roll::roll:

Looking forward to seeing it all progress.:thumbs



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if i remember, our dutch member was doing just that ?
if he is still here ?:hmm:lol::lol::lol::lol::cool:

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Petermac wrote: ............Incidentally, it's just crossed my mind what fun it must be to build a scale model of your own house (at least your kids house).  I wonder how many members have either done that or at least considered it........

I did mine some years ago but it was accidentaly damaged and subsequently scrapped.

It was good fun though. It wouldn't have been any use for my steam/diesel era layout anyway as the house was built relatively recently.

Getting back to the thread............:???:, I'm intrigued regarding the vent hole discussion. I must admit I have never even thought about this aspect of a scratchbuild before. I can't bring to mind any part of a model I have ever built that has incorporated such a sealed space, so maybe that's why. It's certainly worth bearing in mind though.

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owen69 wrote: if i remember, our dutch member was doing just that ?
if he is still here ?:hmm:lol::lol::lol::lol::cool:

I think it's Thomas from Sweden Owen. :roll::roll:  He's probably well and truly snowed up now.:roll::roll::roll:



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i think you may be right, must be that age thingy?!

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I for one, am enjoying this build. I have been looking forward to doing this, and hesitant at the same time. The roof line on this house is enough to scare the x-acto knife right out of your hand. :mutley
I can say this though, it's all in my mind. By doing what I know how to do first, the rest seems to be falling in place.
That said, the hip roof over their kitchen (north side of house, or backyard view) has been a challenge. I spent most of the morning today and only installed 6 pieces, as shown in this first picture. The truss running on a 45 degree angle has been made three times this morning. Just could not get it right until the third try.

The gap you can see below the porch trusses is intentional. The porch roof (ceiling of the porch) has warped some. It's hard to see in this picture, but it is bowing down as it goes to the corner. As it goes from that corner towards the front of the house (left in the picture) it is actually bowed up some. I'll have to cross that bridge when I get there. I'm hoping that with those four trusses spaced up from the ceiling, when I finally do glue them in place they will hold up the ceiling of the porch. If it doesn't I'll always thought it should have. :pedal



In this picture you can see where I have to add a vertical extension to the height of the wall. When I made the decision to slice the house at the ceiling of the porch, it shortened the height of the kitchen. So by adding this extension all is well again. It will not show once the exterior siding is in place.

The upstairs has been glued in place now. I had to in order to build the hip roof over the kitchen. I really hesitated in doing this as I really did not want to, but I could not come up with an alternative. So out came the glue and it's done. Never to be spoke of again! (I hope)


More progress on the hip roof over the kitchen. It seems that once I had that first 45 degree corner truss figured out, the rest of them went quite smoothly.



A little different view that shows the trusses better. Wait till you see how that left corner of the porch roof gets finished. That thing is a naughtyword! It was while building the actual roof too.


While trying to get the hip roof figured out I found a mistake on my drawing. The mud room, not yet shown, is located incorrectly in relation to the kitchen. I found another picture that actually proved that my model was right and the drawing was wrong. I guess if your going to hit a bad shot, it's always best if it goes in the right direction! :pathead

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I have just got to say, watching you and perry scratch-build a building is fantastic, I am sure we are all learning off both of you, and one day soon I hope to join you both, the thing that strikes me is you are building and learning all the time.

Thanks what makes this forum so good, we have lots of people, that are good at different things, and are happy to help, but the same people also need help from others, great just great.

I am trying to work out where on your layout you are going to put this farm.

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Wayne, I just went back to the first photos of the real thing & compared the last photos of the model to them & I think it is going to be very hard to tell the difference when it is finished. Just like Perry's Co-op, a masterpiece.

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Your are building the Kids house and you have built the silo and you did the woodshed is there a specific place on the layout you are creating the kids farm?

cheers Brian

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Alan, Sol, and Brian:
I think what excites me about scratchbuilding is in trying to make the model look EXACTLY like the prototype. We all know that it's impossible, but it can be ohhh sooo close.

Guys, I'm moving the location of the Proctor Farm on my layout. It's hard to explain where, but it's between the first two tables, right at the end of the walk-in area. I will be explaining exactly where in the not too distant future.

Now where's my knife?

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After a few re-works, the trusses for the porch are finished. Also accomplished some surgery on the porch ceiling that WAS not flat. After a successful surgery the porch ceiling is now as flat as a pancake. :doublethumb
I'll explain how, farther down in this post.



As you can see even the five trusses on the right side are now touching the ceiling and are holding it in place.

Now for an explanation of the ceiling surgery. I cut into the top of the porch ceiling starting from the middle of the upstairs window (in this next photo) over to the left past the front of the upstairs wall about 1/4" more. This cut was I would guess, about 40% through the .040" material. The cut was right along the edge of the wall.

I then placed the model on a flat piece of oak wood with the proper size spacers underneath it and clamped it absolutely flat. Next came the solvent (glue), I filled the cut with it, and let the model set for three hours. After the three hours I glued down the five trusses that were already there and just kept going from there.



I have included my x-acto knife in this picture for size reference.


That bowed porch ceiling bothered me so much that I'm not sure what is coming up next! :hmm

At least everything is back on track!

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now what was that song/hymn are yes" we shall overcome "
you certainly have.

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As per normal Wayne, your desire to get things "just right" is amazing.

It looked just great to me before you spent the time and effort correcting the problem.  Are you going to make the "little family" to live in Proctor Farm ? :shock::shock::shock:



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