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 Posted: Tue Jan 6th, 2009 08:57 pm
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The main problem I'm facing with trying to recreate Perranporth is a lack of info.No scale drawings,and just a few photos that give tantalising glimpses of what I need,but plenty of gaps to fill in with a bit of imagination and a little bit of knowledge about how the GWR did things.
  So...the buildings have to be built using a bit of guess-work,and judging dimensions and sizes 'by eye'!
  firstly,then...a very rough mock-up to try and roughly gauge some proportions and measurements.


(very rough indeed,but it showed me my guess was way out)
I initially thought 3 standard windows to the front,but closer inspection of photo reference,and comparison with this very basic box,made me realise there should be 5 standard windows in the front.
   Stage 2;intermediate model,trying techniques,colour scheme.


3/4 view showing colour scheme(black represents below platform level)The box will 'slot in' to an opening in the platform.
    Stage 3;the final model begins;a backing of card,planking is paper strips,frame is card strip,and window frames and doors are brass from Churchward Models.Glazing is clear acetate.



all comments,ideas,etc. gratefully recieved.
  Cheers,John.B.

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 Posted: Tue Jan 6th, 2009 09:08 pm
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John

A great start there remember i have the ultimate critic next door but one

Trevors Dad was signalman in that box for 40 years so he must have visited it loads of times.

cheers Brian

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Brian,
        If he has any piccies of his dad at work,I'd love to see 'em!!!
......I might even model him leaning out the window?

Cheers,John.B.;-)

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i will ask him John

I assume you are doing the layout in N gauge John?

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Brian,
        Yes,its n gauge.The Perranporth module will be attached,ultimately,to'the big one' in the loft.The Newquay end,just past the station will have an invented over-bridge to conceal a fiddle yard,the Chacewater end will round the cutting into another temporary fiddle yard just before where the Liskey Hill bridge is.
       Obviously,when the beast in the loft is finished,that end will join onto the Cornish side of the layout.
        I'll post a track plan when I get round to it showing the planned layout.It'll probably be L-shaped over 3 baseboards.

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Oh,and I forgot to mention,I've got a bit more info on the locos that ran on the line also,and I can now use my moguls as well as the prairie tanks and panniers.
   Apparently,the Perranporth/Paddington train that ran on Saturdays often was pulled by moguls!!!
   that'll make operating a bit more varied.
I also found out some info about the local merchants/businesses that used the line also.

Cheers,John.B.

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Apparently there was a lot of frieght offloaded and loaded at Shepherds.

Trevor used to drive lorries and he had to go to shephards a lot picking up and dropping off he mentioned lime i assume that was brought in from elsewhere as i dont know of any lime in cornwall although i could be wrong there.

I am not exactly sure where sheperds station was its obviously somewhere between Goonhavern and Newlyn east it was quite a big thing for a branch line station that seemed to be in the middle of nowhere.

John i will have to try and get you soom genuine Perranporth ballast you can build into the layout as giant granite boulders or something.

cheers Brian

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 Posted: Thu Jan 8th, 2009 07:34 pm
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        I'm going to continue the thread I started on the chacewater/Newquay line.I left off in Perranporth,and didn't go any further.Shepherds was between Perranporth and Newquay,and was a well equipped little station in its own right.It had a cattle dock and a large signal box.
   I've got some good pics to stick on the thread,here's one from the 1920s;


I'll get back on the case with it this weekend.

Cheers for now,
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Ah good :exclam More historical info about Cornwall's railways, I like it :thumbs Photos too, I like it a lot :thumbs:thumbs

Keep going JB. :Happy:Happy:Happy

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John, bear in mind that I have not worked in N gauge, but if I were to go mad and try it, I would have to have the ready made window frames for the '3 over 2s', can you photograph them for us?



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              Do you want them same size?? I might be better scanning them rather than photographing,esp.seeing as how our camera is bobbins.
              Also,knowing how you've done similar things,do you want a'background'?

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John, I'm really interested in just how fiddly individual brass 'N' gauge tailor-made 3 over 2s would be, a scan would do fine. I just can't imagine how there would be anything to stick 'em into the building with........



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Bl**y small multiplied by finger crampingly tiny is about the size of it DD... but it can be done with tweezers and a head magnifier.

... and if you modify/build your own N scale loco's as John B does.... it's a doodle...

Nice one John, watching with interest.



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dooferdog wrote: John, I'm really interested in just how fiddly individual brass 'N' gauge tailor-made 3 over 2s would be..............
Dooferdog, everything's fiddly in "N" gauge!!!  (I've almost completed my station building - I'll be posting on it very shortly - and I've come to the conclusion that my fingers turn into sausages whenever I work in this scale!).:roll: I love it though!:lol:

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             ...and anyone else who wants to have a bash...here's the fret on a dark background.actual size.........enjoy!!!


NB:   Upside down!!!


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Without wishing to go completely off thread . Does anyone else use a head magnifier, as does Marty. I use a large magnifier with a light built in but its not always easy to get a solder iron under there too. Any comments anyone? This maybe should be in a tool section or somewhere, perhaps a kind moderator will place it where it should be .



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I have one Reg i use it all the time i find it brill ,mine is only a cheap one off ebay

but you can buy the expensive optivisors

cheers Brian

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Thanks, John.

Dooferdog, ...and anyone else who wants to have a bash...here's the fret on a dark background.actual size.........enjoy!!!

On screen that looks about the same size as OO, about 28mm high for a door, so at 14 mm with proportionally the same [apparently] margins for fixing as OO it is out of my ability, I'm sure. I specifically asked about the 3 over 2 windows for signal cabins because there is no chance of having a big bit of spare frame to stick to things....:shock:



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               Sorry mate,my bad.....thats NOT actual size!!!
I was in such a rush last night I didn't watch the piccy come up on the thread.The windows on the 3 up 2 downs are seven and a half mm. wide by eight and a half mm.high.
     Sorry!!!

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I guessed that is what happened! Have a look at Ken's new scratchbuilt 'N' gauge station in recent topics....

Poop poop! 



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