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Last time I tried to post this, I ended up disabling my access to the forum, so here's hoping this time.  I spent yesterday (Sunday) sceneryising my yards.  Over 14 metres of track and 8 turnouts.  It took up some ballast and paint I have to say.



 



 



 



 



 



 



 and here are a couple of shots with the yards working some freight trains; I forgot to turn on the layout, so you'll have to imagine the lights - it's daytime after all!



 the water tower represents the signal box, which hasn't arrived as yet



 
Thanks to Sol, Mikec and Sparky for your kind words after my first attempt.
 

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Max now here is a question showing my ignorance.

Is your layout based on a USA layout or an Australian one?

cheers Brian

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That is a very very good job there mate. One question i would like to know and you maybe of said the answer before but how do you do your roads they look real good.

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Looks great Max! :thumbs

Do you have some Nickel Plate steam engines?

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Hi Brian.  The Nickel Plate Road ran from Buffalo in New York State, via Chicago to St Louis, from the late 1800's to the mid 1950's.  No matter how I try, my scenery looks generally like Australia, partly because I'm just doing basic landfill and hope to do the trees, etc., later.  I intially only wanted a basic layout so I can indulge my main passion which is Lokprogramming, but since joining this forum, I have become a bit transfixed on scenery.

Hi Phill.  I am working up a "how to" on my roads.  The "how to's" are part of my submissions to the NMRA Achievement Program, so it's nice to be able to run them here on YMR.  I can run the one on roads if you are interested.

Hi Thomas.  Yes, I have three Berkshires and one lightweight Mikado so far.  The Nickel Plate Road is fascinating for their use of steam and I hope to collect a Pacific, a Mountain and others as I go.  With Loksound decoders I can make any loco DCC, provided it's a good runner.  I bought my P2k Mikado from a deceased estate in Canada via ebay for A$90.  When it arrived, in the box was a decoder still in it's pack.  A bonus!  East of the yards you can see a clear area with a sheet of thick MDF sitting on it.  The turntable and roundhouse will go there - together with coaling, sanding, ash and the water tower facilities.  I want to do the station and freight areas first.

Thanks all for your supportive comments.  Cheers  Max

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Looking really good Max.
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Thanks Ian. Before you say anything, I have now put my extra fence posts in





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I am really looking forward to seeing a video of a NKP Berkshire on your layout!

 

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I'm looking forward to seeing a video of ANYTHING on my layout.  I'm still struggling with this wretched camcorder . . .

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Those yards of yours are looking very good, a 'real' look to them, and it's good to see some photo's that show most of the front of your layout, as this allows us a chance to see all the little cameo's come together.

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Thats looking good Max
more pics please.I will be watching this thread with interest


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Love to see a how too on your roads please. I am waiting you started yet :hmm:thumbs

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Thanks Alan and Nigel.  OK  I thought I would tackle one thing at a time. 

I made a video for Thomas of my Berkshire.  I used my still camera and edited it with Moviemaker.  The quality isn't good, because the camera is meant for still pics and because the loco has a QSI decoder in it, therefore the sound files aren't great.  Photobucket couldn't handle it - probably because the file is 46.2MB  Am I supposed to zip it before I upload it?  I couldn't find any instructions on Photobucket.  If someone has an idea, I'll upload it for Thomas.

Phill, I'll do a fresh post for the roads if that's OK.  I have to work tomorrow (Christmas Eve).  I'll start it tonight, but if I fall over, you'll know why.

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Your layout looks superb. I particularly like the open and spacious nature of the yard and the detial of weeds and grass in the less used areas - very effective.

Bob(K)

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Thanks Bob (K).  I have learned a lot from the artisans here on the Forum.  Also for info, I had a rummage around in Photobucket and found that the limit for videos is 100MB, so I am well under.  I clicked on CONTACT US and sent them an email asking why I couldn't load it.  Hopefully I will get some help from them and Thomas can see the Berkie.

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The scenery is really coming on,Max.Can't wait til I'm at this stage with my layout.Looking forward to seeing some tasty videos when you've sussed it out.

Cheers,John.B.

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 I wouldn't mind a better look at those diesels, either - in your own time, of course :mutley

 Those areas of nothing between the lines look very good!


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I was priviliged to see the Video of Max's steam loco - the Berkshire on Saturday night. B..... good.    I also got to see & hear his PA diesels A & B units - separate sound decoders - absolutely first class - that should be the next vid when he gets it sorted into Youtube or whatever.

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thanks guys.  Still working on the video.  I sent a copy of the vid to photobucket via yousendit.com.  Cost $3.99. No answer back yet.

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OK Thomas, this is for you.  You might need to turn the sound up.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bm3sC2pAbzM&feature=channel_page

Please keep in mind that this was taken with a Sony Cybershot still camera - the signal lights aren't supposed to pulse like that -  by someone with nil experience, edited with the same amount of experience, of a loco equipped with QSI sound (not lovely Loksound).

Be kind, O Critics

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Mike, the diesels are still un-weathered (if that's a word).  Are you sure you want to see them?

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Thats a great video and that is some steam loco the sound came through well on the video do you blow your own sounds onto the chip or do you buy them pre installed?

Daft question why do they ring the bell on american steam locos? They have a hooter so what is the point of the bell?

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Thanks Brian.  That is an OEM (factory fitted) QSI sound decoder.  It is the first loco I ever bought and the only one with QSI.  The other locos I have fitted with Loksound decoders with sound files I downloaded, manipulated and uploaded into the decoders.

American locos (including diesels) still have bells.  They are rung to warn pedestrians that the loco may be about to move or is moving slowly through yards.  As there is so much noise, even with diesels, the sound of the bell cuts through.  They are still supposed to ring the bells when approaching level crossings, but as modern trains travel so fast, they have fitted bells to the crossing signals as well.

On the Nickel Plate Road in particular, but on other roads as well, Management was so tight fisted that using costly fuel to toot whistles and run dynamos for lights was frowned upon.  Much cheaper to have some poor driver exercise his arm ringing a bell. 

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 Of course I want to see 'em :lol::lol:

 I enjoyed the video. I like the treed landscape at one end of the layout. You made it seem like an even longer journey than it is.
 As for the sound, I've only had the chance to run three sound locos - all with QSI, and all diesels. To a newcomer like me it sounds great, as does your steamer. I can imagine though that fiddling and tweaking it and downloading other files could become quite a passion.

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Max,

great video! And the layout is very impressive, too!

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Max stop worrying it was fine,i enjoyed it but to be honest i don`t think i
could take all that sound for long,
can you imagine 2 or 3 loco`s running !!

:doublethumb;-):lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::cool:

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Ballasting looks pretty good to me Max, you have a nice blend of shades in there, might benefit from a bit of darker green scrub but it is a minor point really.

Do we want to see loco pictures? good grief man you have been a member of this forum long enough now to know better than asking daft questions like that ;-)

Get them on here man :lol:

Meant to say, really enjoyed the vid too, cracking loco.  I thought something had a squeaky wheel, then realised you must have a parakeet (or some such) in the background :roll:

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Lawrence wrote: Do we want to see loco pictures? good grief man you have been a member of this forum long enough now to know better than asking daft questions like that ;-)

Get them on here man :lol:


And start with the PAs please!

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OK  OK  I'll take some pics tonight.  Thanks for your comments about the scenery.  I have gone for a minimalist treatment as a first run on scenery, so I can pinch all your good ideas as I go along.  As for the sound (noise), Owen, you are right.  I currently have 16 locos and only a few of them together make a lot of noise.  When I first started I didn't know how to set the function maps, so every time I switched the layout on, they all started up together!

Lawrence, we live in the hills south of Adelaide and our back yard is chockers with brightly coloured and very noisey parrots.  Wendy is also a "rescuer" and we have an aviary full of the sick, lame and lazy as well.

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MaxSouthOz wrote: .............  Wendy is also a "rescuer" and we have an aviary full of the sick, lame and lazy as well.

And that includes Max as well :mutley

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Max,

I have just watched the video again and I am impressed by the generous radius of the curves. This really does the big engines justice! :thumbs

I had some big engines in the past but on the trainset curves of my old HO/OO layout these looked poor.

 

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Thanks Thomas.  I made the layout as big as I could.  In some places my aisles are a bit tight, but my MRR friends are 'close' friends - they have to be!  Do you have a special interest in the NKP?

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The NKP once was on my shortlist when I considered collecting American N scale.

Why:

Impressive steam locos (I like the Berks more than BigBoys or Challengers)

Interesting roster of diesel from GM, Alco, Baldwin, Fairbanks Morse

Alco PA (my favorite US diesel) http://www.nkp190.com/progress/images/190pa011.jpg

Great freight and passenger paint schemes, Blue Bird livery

"High Speed Service" freight trains more interesting for me than endless string of coal hoppers.

 

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I think Dundee MRC have an HO Big Boy (sure it was them :???:) and I have to say it was stunning to see it emerging from the tunnel.

Wouldn't say no to a Berkshire if I was given one, but I do like my early EMD units.  Can't get an N Scale F3 without a second mortgage, and that's if you can find one :cry:

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It's interesting that every PA model is numbered 190.  Mine is, as is Tony Koester's.

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owen69 wrote: Max stop worrying it was fine,i enjoyed it but to be honest i don`t think i
could take all that sound for long,
can you imagine 2 or 3 loco`s running !!

:doublethumb;-):lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::cool:

I sometimes have 3-4 sound locos running at once in different areas of my 20'x10' layout area.
 The secret is to turn volume down so each loco can only be heard in a 3' to 4' area.

When I have finished altering the track in Western end of Neverton yard on layout I will round Adam (son) up and try and get some footage done of a sound diesel/steam or two working through the mountains and yard shunting.

Happy New Year to all
Will talk to you next year.

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Great video Max,and what a lovely loco....!!!
  I really like those big American steamers with the headlights,and those 'old style' diesels you get from the 50's.Proper rock'n'roll.
  The sound effects were really good too.

Cheers,John.B.

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Thanks JB, can't wait to get to good cam going.  Now here are some shots of my diesels.  I have sampled a few of the many diesels NKP used over the years.  I was going to take stunning shots posed on my bench, to capture all the detail, but I thought it would be more appropriate to see them 'at work' - even though the picture quality is less.



Here are two RS 3's  One of the earliest NKP diesels.  Note that they are driven 'long hood forward' - no doubt in the transition from steam where the driver was at the back.  They are working a string of coal hoppers at the Jeruslaem Ridge Mine Coal Preparation Plant.



The dreaded PA PB combo thundering through the cutting east of the Cripple Creek bridge.  These units pull 5 x 70 foot Pullman cars and a 70 foot baggage car on my layout.  You can see my non-proto ditch lights low front.  They are two 1600 mcd ultra bright LED's which light up the cutting like daylight.



Two GP 7's hauling freight through the Salt Creek loops.  Already the driving position has moved forward.  These are known as 'road switchers'.  They are 4 axle units, and can be consisted as shown here to provide double ended power units, or operate individually as shunters.




The GP 9's - a later model from the same stable.  These two have been refuelled and are ready to hook up.



The SD 9.  A six axle long haul unit, crossing the bridge at Cripple Creek.



and finally, the SW 8.  A four axle switcher sitting at the refuelling depot.  This is the first unit I equipped with a Loksound decoder, and it sounds as good today as when I first built it.

That's it, 10 diesels.  Just the right amount for a layout of my size.

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Max great photos there

Is or was the nickel plate railroad a real place or is it imaginary?

On the side of the locos what does the yellow loco brand name say i cant make it out from the photos. It doent look like nickel plate railroad.

cheers Brian

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Hi Brian.  Glad you enjoyed the pics.  Obviously the quality isn't too good, coz you can't read the name . . .

The Nickel Plate Road is a nickname coined by a journalist in the late 1800's to describe the fledgling New York, Chicago and St Louis Railroad, which ran from Buffalo in New York State, through Chicao to St Louis.  Anything nickel plated was pretty good quality in those days.

The railroad eventually folded in the late 1950's, but not after a stellar carreer as one of the first "customer service oriented" business in the US.  The business was based around fast freight, particularly perishables (fruit, vegetables, meat, etc) and they were the pioneers in the use of refrigerated boxcars, or "reefers" where the produce was packed with ice and sped away to the customers.

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Thanks for the photos Max. Very enjoyable!! Some of my favourites in that lot.

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Thanks for the explanation Max

Im still abit confused what is the actual yellow railroad name on the sides of the locos?

cheers Brian

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Thanks Mike.  Brian, the yellow writing says, "Nickel Plate Road"  It's most clear on the GP 7's and GP 9's

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Best I can do with my camera.  The front bit says  "NYC&StL" (New York Chicago and St Louis)  Cheers Max

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lovely pics Max,i prefer em working rather than posing.

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Great pics!

Great collection of motive power you have!

Really like the NKP paint scheme, looks the business!

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Thanks guys.  Happy New Year

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So you don't sit there all day long with your arms folded Max :roll::roll:

Those are great photos of a great layout.  And as for the sound vid - wow, I loved it  !!!:doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb:doublethumb

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If you look closely, Pete - I'm asleep.  Taken by our Treasurer at a Club (http://www.decca.net.au) working bee . . .

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Hi Brian.  Glad you enjoyed the pics.  Obviously the quality isn't too good, coz you can't read the name . . .

The Nickel Plate Road is a nickname coined by a journalist in the late 1800's to describe the fledgling New York, Chicago and St Louis Railroad, which ran from Buffalo in New York State, through Chicao to St Louis.  Anything nickel plated was pretty good quality in those days.

The railroad eventually folded in the late 1950's, but not after a stellar carreer as one of the first "customer service oriented" business in the US.  The business was based around fast freight, particularly perishables (fruit, vegetables, meat, etc) and they were the pioneers in the use of refrigerated boxcars, or "reefers" where the produce was packed with ice and sped away to the customers.

The NKP's Berkshire Class were absolutely stunning locomotives and one of my all time favorites of American power. 


#765 pictured in East Wayne, Indiana 1958 by Eugene L. Huddleston. 

Nickel Plate Berk #765 was restored and spent time in the mid 80's running around various lines in the mid-west to eastern U.S.  Richard P. Melvin produce an interesting video on that locomotive which was available for many years from Hopewell Productions, well worth seeing.

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Postscript:

Picture is NKP #769, not 765.

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Yep sdjr, the Berkshires were the main reason I was attracted to the NKP.  Tests done during the '50s against the diesels of their day, showed the Berkies had the advantage in cost per ton/mile.  However, the high maintenance cost and the EPA considerations were always going to do them in.  Too many moving parts and too much smoke.

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I, too, particularly like the 'less is more' grass treatment in the yard :doublethumb

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Fantastic looking loco - a powerful beast indeed.

It seems with both American and mainland European locos, they never quite got it right first time around :roll::roll:  Have you noticed all the extra bits of pipe and stuff they had to bolt on afterwards !!:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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It's a common trait, Peter, UK EU and OZ.  As each loco came in for programmed service or manitenance, upgrades and improvements were carried out, sometimes extra pipes were needed and extra extra equipment bolted on.  After a while, no two locos were alike.

I live near the Sydney/Melbourne to Perth line.  Every freight train goes past us.  It's interesting to watch the diesels as they pass.  They seem to be each a little different as well.

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What make are your PA/PB locomotives? I have the Athearn version in UP livery. The B unit of mine is motored and along with the A unit will pull a nine car passenger train around the local club layout with power to spare.

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Hi Max   Excellent, but your got me there, you wrote “ Where the Driver was at the back “. Is that the outback? Back cab making a cuppa?  Or whatever. Best wishes Kevin 

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Hi Kevin,
Max would have been referring to the driver being back of the boiler in the cab. US roads were offered the option or long or short hoods forward. Many initially chose the long hood forward option given that crews would have been apprehensive about safety in a collision after being protected by a steam engine boiler.  

Several roads, notably Norfolk and Western and Southern Railway specified high short hoods and long hood forward up to the late 70's and early 80's even for their longest locomotives.  The introduction of the Canadian Safety Cab in 1973 or so (seen on my St Agnes page) or so turned around the thinking behind the protection. US roads tried the CN units out on loan, made their own design changes and it has evolved to the standard cabs we see today. 

Kevin, you are obviously "trawling" info to get yourself up to speed and well done for doing so. However Max's last post about that layout was quite some time ago and I believe he is now into On30 with a "plank" layout.  His modelling however does merit another look and should give you, me and others some inspiration.

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Hi Trevor. Yes , that is me , where my hands are not following my brain directions 100%,,I am not finding it easy to do precision work, so look for inspiration on the forum . Arthritis is a B. nuisance. Best wishes Kevin 


                 

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