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Thought I would start a new thread to post some of the rolling stock that im working on. So to start with here's todays 'works report'........

A while back I bought some old Lima mk2's off fleebay. As my railway is based on the WCML I thought it would be a good idea to feature some WCML rolling stock so today I made a start......

Take one mk2 coach....



Cut away the window frames......



Looking slightly diffrent....



Any ideas yet?......



How about a change of colour.......



Sorry this ones blured will get some better ones tomorrow.....



Apoligies to the rivet counters! The real pullman coaches only have six windows, recessed doors, etc but to the untrained eye they look quite convincing! Also the brake coach has a driving position making this a push/pull pullman rake. Well it's my railway..............;-)

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look fine to me, but Ive never seen the real thing !! do they have any wording / lettering on them if so how do you plan to do that ?

Only asking cos I need to do some loco numbers and being tight dont want to buy a full sheet of numbers from fox just to use 10 !

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Thanks John. The real coaches were painted in reverse blue grey with pullman in white standard br letering. As I've painted mine white I was thinking of going for the earler style of blue letering with some crests although I need to investergate as to where I can get the transfers from. Here's a link to some pics of the real coaches....

 http://jdsrailway-photos.fotopic.net/c871102.html

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 They look good Dave. When you get the transfers on they should pass for originals:thumbs:thumbs

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now you see em now they change,that was quick,i will bring mine up tomorrow??

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They do look good, Dave.  Neatness counts.

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i like these, i don't think we have a rivet counter on this forum (we would all be in trouble) you can't just say i had this and now i have this, we want the details. i am about to embark on stripping 2 class 56 and re painting and john is doing a 37 so any tips would be great.:doublethumb

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As promised here's a couple of better pics taken this morning. Today I will be finishing off these three and then converting another coach into a kitchen car. Should prove intresting!


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To my eye the conversion is definitely better than the original.

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 They look really smart:doublethumb:doublethumb

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Tip's! Ok Matt no problem.;-)

The conversion was simple enough the only hard part was taking the coaches apart! Be prepared for some broken plastic clips. First I removed the gangway connections using a small screwdriver. This has two clips at each side. Then I removed the underframe. This is held by three sets of plastic clips along each side of the coach and a plastic tab at each end. I eased out the plastic tabs first then using a small screwdriver again I levered between the body and underframe untill the underframe broke free. The roof and glazing are all one piece. Again this is held in place by some clips along the base and one at each end of the roof section. Once disassembled the window frames were cut away using a sharp knife. Also I removed the molded paint line but only at the ends around the doors. The body then had a coat of grey primer. As I couldn't get hold of a light grey colour I decided to use some modeling licence and spray mine white. I used domestic appliance gloss white as it was £1.99 for a big tin!! Next the rail blue was applied using a brush. Carn't say I was impressed with the railmatch paint as it seemed a bit watery. Needless to say it took about three coats! Getting the edges of the blue panel straight was made easel as I left the paint molding down the side of the coach. Once dry the window frames were picked out with some chrome paint then the inside of the frames were painted rail blue. As the original donor coaches were corridor stock the coaches now have no interior. To disguise the fact I will be adding some curtains to the windows. I have another coach that I will be converting to a catering coach. As the train is based 'loosely' on the Manchester Pullman I will be using a lot of 'modeling licence'! My excuse is as follows. In the early sixties when the heatherburn line was electrified a push/pull Pullman service was introduced. The coaches were built as a follow on order to the Manchester Pullmans. However the seating was increased by adding an extra bay and the brake coaches were fitted with a driving positing and were classified as DBPO (driving brake Pullman open). The coaches operated in fixed sets with modified class 86 locomotives, the control cables running the length of the train( similar to the original Edinburgh/Glasgow 27's).
As I take the next coach to bits I will post some pics showing the securing clips.;-)

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Transfers just been ordered from fox. Talking of transfers has given me an idea although I will post it somewhere else!;-)

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They stand up well to the originals, at least looking at the photos I've got. A very nice paint job. Domestic appliance gloss white? It looks the part to me. Don't think Railmatch would be too impressed.

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The kitchen car was coming along great untill the paint ran! So I had to rub it down and start again. On a more positive note the damaged cab on the DBPO has been rebuilt in the style of a 312 EMU! Here's a pic to prove it. The kitchen car is the one in the middle......


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Here's another unfinished project to do during the dark nights........



This started out as an unfinished hst shell and is being modified to a dvt. I have recently managed to get hold of the missing light lenses although I still have to fit the buffer beam!

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Looking the business.

I noticed the same thing about the railmatch colours, not just thin in consistancy but lacking colour leaving a transparant finish unless SEVERAL coats applied. Im sure someone with an airbrush would like this though.

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Im glad you said that John I thought it was just me! I must admitt that the paint available today isn't a patch on the paint available in the past. Even humbrol paint is watery. I remember when humbrol paint was so thick you could stand a matchstick up in it! Now it's all this eco rubbish except you end up using more paint than before resulting in extra paint tins for the bin. Enviromently friendly!

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Just thought of another one.... Lead free solder. Not as good as the 'propper' stuff!

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I have a friend who is a painter and decortor, he and his Dad have worked together for years, his Dad is in his mid 60s and is always moaning about "modern rubbish paint" and "the old stuff hasn't killed me yet"

I have often wondered why if you read the label on the new Dulux Once paint, it states the time to leave between coats ????? But i thought it did it in ONE coat hence the name !?!?!

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Dulux one coat. Dont even go there!! I got some Dulux weathershield paint to do the decking handrails. The cream on the metal insets has had about three coats although this stuff is one coat paint. The red was no better. How can they make weatherproof paint that washes out with water!! When I was off the other week I gave the handrails one coat of red then left it to dry. Then we had a shower and the paint washed off. I wouldn't care this stuff is expensive.

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Transfers have arrived today WEHAY!!! Have ordered pullman writing in blue and also a set of crests so should look cool when finished.:cool:

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update later tonight then !!! ? !!

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Sorry John as I was posting the last bit the phone rang and I got called out to cramlington :sad:

Got back in after 9.30 although I couldn't resist putting transfers on one of the coaches. Pic's tonight.;-)

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Here's some pics as promised. First a shot of the whole train........



Driving brake........



A couple of the coaches........





And finaly the problem kitchen car........





Hopeing for a 'quiet' night tonight as I want to get the last coach painted. Also I'm on the lookout for a couple more lima mk2's to make this a six coach rake.;-)

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looking the buisness Dave

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Most excellent. I like that reversal of blue and grey although I suspect it would have been a beggar to keep clean. Looking forward to the videos.

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That's a very nice lineup Dave - very smart.

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Learn something every day Dave - I had no idea those Pullmans were push-pull!

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Modelers licence Chris. As mine are only based on the real Pullmans and not an accurate model I decided what the heck! Managed to get a bit more done last night.....





Tonight I will be painting the silver window frames and fitting the transfers.

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Window frames now painted and transfers on......





After some thought and a second opinion from the mrs I decided that the blue area around the windows on the driving brake needed extending so........



And finaly one of the whole train complete with white roofed 86. This is another project that needs finishing off!


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  Looks pretty good Dave, certainly stands out:doublethumb

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Unique, a lovely paint job, and totally realistic. Only one thing, they could do with some underwear as they're a bit naked below the solebar! I think that would finally finish them.

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The pullman rake is now complete. I have added two more lima conversions to bring the rake up to six cars. This is the maximum length that I can run due to platform lengths at st davids station. Next in line on the 'building program' was my model of 86 101 however this has been put on hold due to the current job situation. Work on the shell started last year along with my conversion of a class 86 shell to class 87 101 stephenson. 86 101 will be finished in a 'depot special' non standard livery of rail blue with white cab windows and roof. The model is still awaiting a set of class 90 bogies and a 86 underframe so I have borrowed the chassies off 86 219 for the pic's....








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Looks flash Dave - just needs catenary to finish it off.

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I've been re-reading this thread and perhaps a few observations on the various paints are in order :exclam

After conversations with Railmatch Paints, they admit that their paints were originally formulated with spraying in mind and recommend using spray guns for the best finish. All paint is slightly thinner these days, but that's a function of new EEC regulations. They say that their paints can be sucessfully used with a brush (we knew that!) but recommend several coats to obtain a good finish. Thorough cleaning of the item to be sprayed with water and a non-lanolin based cleaner is considered essential before starting to avoiding runs, allowing the piece to air dry after cleaning. The suggestion for best finish without an air brush was to use their spray cans. (I've found these fairly expensive and restrictive in colour choice.) 

Simular conversations with Phoenix Precision Paints would suggest that one was talking to the same person, although they also suggested I try their "Superspry Refillable Spray cans" (I thought I'd just as well buy an airbrush if I was going down this route)

Unfortunately, I must sound a note of caution about PPP. In my local club, there have been a number of instances where a tin labelled "Acrylic" has contained Enamel paint (and one instance of vice-versa). I also recently opened a large tin of PPP matt black enamel paint and after use found it to contain gloss enamel. So it pays to check that it is exactly what it says it is on the tin :exclam:exclam

A tip on using spray cans from Newport MRC's best O gauge loco builder, who always uses cans and gets a brilliant finish. Always shake the can very well before use and stand the can in a container of hot (but not boiling) water for a few minutes before use. This will ensure a much finer spray and therefore a much better finish. He says that if you can complete the job in less than three seperate coats (drying in between) you are spraying too thickly.

Hope this helps someone :exclam:exclam

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Thanks Jeff for the tips. Must try the spray can in warm water. Having said that I think I must have put about ten coats of white on the coaches to get an even finish.;-)

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 That looks good Dave, it really stands out:doublethumb

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Very nice, Dave. Makes me think I ought to give mine a respray.

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Not much happening latley on the rolling stock front although I have a major rebuilding plan for the loco fleet. As you all are aware the garden railway features an incline around the back of the rockery. The drive mechanisims in the old 86's are basicly crap and need dumping in a skip. I have been reading about a rebuild using a bachmann warship loco as a spares donor. Basicly the drive unit and bogies are removed from the warship and transplanted into the electric locos. The conversion is fairly straight forward my problem is getting hold of donor locos at a resonable cost. Is the warship chassies available seperatly?? Also has the warship always had the same drive unit or did the early ones have a motor bogie instead of central drive unit?? I ask so that I can look out for one second hand. Just as an after thought could someone with a bachmann 20 measure the wheel base for me as I also have the APT and 91 to re motor. Any help apreciated. ;-) 

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With my recent absence from the internet I have had some spare time to do a few jobs on the fleet. Last week I made a start on the APT. When I bought the set off ebay one of the articulated bogies was damaged and had been repaired by the seller. Unfortunatly the bogie didn't ride properly and was one of the reasons for the trains withdrawl (just like the real thing!) I did replace the wheelsets with newer ones but found that the lower profile wheels made the derailments worse. The solution was to nick the wheelsets from my mk4 coach and dvt. With the wheels changed again and the damaged bogie repaired by fitting a brass frame inside the origanal bogie frame the train was formed into a short test formation without the power cars. This was then propelled at speed and proved sucessfull. Work will start on the power cars shortly. :roll:

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Brass frame on the inside of the bogie, neat idea, now... where did I put that coach?

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87 101 wrote: Not much happening latley on the rolling stock front although I have a major rebuilding plan for the loco fleet. As you all are aware the garden railway features an incline around the back of the rockery. The drive mechanisims in the old 86's are basicly crap and need dumping in a skip. I have been reading about a rebuild using a bachmann warship loco as a spares donor. Basicly the drive unit and bogies are removed from the warship and transplanted into the electric locos. The conversion is fairly straight forward my problem is getting hold of donor locos at a resonable cost. Is the warship chassies available seperatly?? Also has the warship always had the same drive unit or did the early ones have a motor bogie instead of central drive unit?? I ask so that I can look out for one second hand. Just as an after thought could someone with a bachmann 20 measure the wheel base for me as I also have the APT and 91 to re motor. Any help apreciated. ;-) Hi Dave

Is it my thread you have been following on RMweb? 




Afraid the warship chassis isnt available on its own but dont forget the upcoming Heljan class 86 should be useful!  The class 20 wheelbase is 8ft 6.  ISTR the APT's and 91's have longer wheelbases than that, I'll have a check.

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Yes Jim it was your thread on RMweb. Dont know how a central motor will work with the APT though as the powercars tilt like the rest of the train. At the moment I have both powercars on the workbench for a bit of tlc! Also im going to experement by fitting an express models light flash to the pantograph. I think the bulbs are available seperatly as basicly the kit is just a bulb/reed switch and a battery pack. Reason is all the signaling is controlled via reed switches so all the locos have magnets. Don't think that a diesel would look relistic if there was a blue flash from the OHLE every time the loco passed over the switch. A plus point with mounting the bulb on the pan is I just put a fixed magnet between the rails and the magnets are cheeper! ;-)

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Last night I rebuilt both the motor bogies on the APT. I used parts from a tender drive to cary out the repairs. One bogie had the armature, magnetic ring and brushes replaced whilst the other one had the magnetic ring replaced with one from an old 86 power bogie. Jim the power bogie on the APT is the same as the 86 but with smaller driving wheels fitted. Both bogies were fitted into power car city of derby. The other power car has been modified as an additional pick up coach. This involved removing all the wheel sets and turning them round. This is due to the bogie frames being metal and the fact that the two power cars are linked via a brass bar. If I didn't turn the wheels round I would get a short circuit when the bar is fitted. Plus point is that the bar now acts as a means of connecting the bogies electricaly. The other bogie is linked to the bus bars on the roof and is linked to the bus bar on the other power car via a short wire link. The pan has been fitted with the blue bulb and looks great when a magnet is used under the coach to flash it! The bulb is powered from two AA batterys mounted in the power car. The other job that took most of the evening was painting the interior of the coaches. Instead of the pink interior supplied by hornby the second class driving trailers now have cream walls, seat backs, grey carpets and red seats as per prototype. I chickened out with the tartan patten on the seats but did add some white head rest covers. First class now has blue and grey seating again in line with pics of the real train. In the cabs the drivers desk has been painted blue. I did take a few pics but I think that a video clip would show the train off better so I will have a go at taking some at the weekend. Before then I will fit the new head and tail lights to the second driving end and also the interior lights. I may power these off some rechargable battery packs mounted in the unpowered power car. If sucessfull I may start work on the mk2 push/pull set next as most of these coaches have already had the lights installed. ;-)

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Dave sounds like a great little project you are doing there especially the interior painting. Where did you get the tartan paint from?

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I'm looking forward to the pics, Dave.  Going by your earlier efforts, this is going to be excellent.  Cheers  Max

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OK a few pics then. First the motor rebuild...



Next both power bogies fitted along with the AA batterys for the pan flash..



Close up of the pan note the bulb on the head....



The pan is fitted to the top of the motor bogie to allow the coach body to tilt. Brass bar coupling...



Driving cab....



First class....



Second class.....



These last two are for the steam fans and show A1 Tornado at speed on the shildon mrc layout allerton junction....





 

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Thanks, Dave.  Those power bogies might be the go for the trams I've got coming up.  What brand are they, please?

"Pan flash", is that a flashing beacon on the pantograph?

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Dave really good stuff , you have been busy,the paint job looks very neat.

Max pan flash is the spark you see when the pantograph hits a junction
in the o/h line

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Thanks Owen.  That's going to be something to see :exclam

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I would have thought Max`s welding units would work well as the flash on catennery or a very similar circuit

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Hi Dave

You seem to be cracking along. Are you using DCC? I was planing to use a function for my pan spark so that I can fire it whenever I want.

If you decide to go for a remoter for the APT you will need one of the Heljan Class 26/27 or 33 models as these have a 10ft wheelbase as per the Hornby model.

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Thanks Jim for the info I may remotor eventualy once im back earning again! I did consider DCC but decided to stick with DC so that I could use electronic track cleaners outdoors. Max the power bogies are standard hornby. ;-)

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As per usual what works ok on the bench tends to be pants when tried out on the track! Today APT had its first test runs outdoors. First test showed up problems with the motor bogies. One motor ran ok the other not as good! The powercars were removed to the workbench and stripped down again. As a result I built up one powercar so that I could test the rest of the train. This powercar then required some evergreen strip adding to the bogie supports as the wheels were lifting off the rails. Modifications completed another test proved more successful. The arc effect was then tested and looked quite relistic. Whilst the train was being tested I decided to get the video camera out and shoot some long awaited footage of the APT in action. It is being uploaded to you tube although its taking ages to upload. Links when its finished. ;-)

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Two sodding hours to upload this!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11U9Kv6KHc0

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Good Dave - I like the pan flash!

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Work has continued today on the APT. First task was to sort out the power cars. After yesterdays testing City of Derby has had the second motor bogie reinstalled. After a few problems with the gears jaming up I got the power car running OK and then set to work on wiring up the second power car for additional pick ups. The origanal idea using the brass bar was retained although I decided to thread a wire through the bar rather than have a wire running between the bus bars across the roof. When rebuilding the second power car I took a few pics of the modifications to the bogie mounts as per yesterdays test session. To allow the cars to tilt the bogie frames are held in place by curved guides in the bodyshell. One problem I had was the outer wheels lifting off the rails. This was cured by gluing two strips of evergreen strip to make the guide thicker



Another strip was then glued to the other end holding the bogie in place more securely



With the chassies mods done both power cars were then linked together and given a run up and down the main line. Whilst testing I noticed that the unmodified articulated bogie was causing a few problems. This was down to the design of the bogie frame. As built by hornby the bogie is designed to split in half so that the train can be put in a box. Unfortunatly this also meens that the bogie frame is not quite square and has a tendency to go sideways! As my APT is going to be fixed formation the bogie was trimmed slightly then permantly joined together. Now before anyone says about devaluing the train I would like to make a couple of points. I got it off ebay last year for the resonable sum of £55 ( usualy go for double that) and after waiting for over 20 years to own one I have no intention of parting with it! Anyway the bogie pivots on a J shaped bar that sits in a groove in the floor. One end of this has a tendency to move again causing derailments so some plasticard was fitted over the ends. Before refitting the articulated bogie had some copper wire added. These are used as bus bars to connect up the coach lighting. Copper bus bars have also been fitted the length of the coaches to which the leds have been soldered. The link between the bogie and the coach bodies is via small wire links...







At this point I have just relised that I forgot to photo the leds in place but as tomorrow I will be fitting the headlights I can take some. With all the lights fitted I took the modified coaches outside



After the battery leads were disconected I ran the complete train up and down a few times and I can report that the rebuild is a success. Heres a couple of pics I missed. First the reed switch for the arcing pan



This was fitted inside the body but yesterdays tests showed that it needed to be closer to the track. Heres the first class compartment with the painted seats



and heres second class




Tomorrow I will be fitting new white led headlights and figuring out the power supply. :roll:

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:wowNow that is really nice Dave.

A lot of work but well worth it. The repainted second class seating comes out well.

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Been a bit busy the past couple of weeks helping my brother in law so work is proceeding slowly on the workbench at the moment! Yesterday I had an idea for a bit of recycling using some offcuts of sign making vinyl. So I scrounged some yellow, red, white, black and some chrome! I have in the pipeline plans for a rake of nse stock to run with 86401. I have already painted the window surrounds blue on one coach but was wondering how to do the stripes without having to buy transfers when I had the idea of using the off cuts so watch this space for the outcome of that one. Last night I experemented with some yellow on an IC liveried 86.....



To my supprise the vinyl streached over the roof without any problems. Great thing is that unlike paint the vinyl can be pealed off again! So on to 'pimp my APT'. Inside the coach body I fitted some chrome vinyl to the roof and inside the cab front. This allows the led headlights to bounce some light back into the cab. Some black was stuck over the back of the grills and some white over the toilet and destination windows....



Heres a couple of pics of the led's in place....







With the new lights fitted they now look like this....





Controlling the directional lighting has been solved by running two extra wires to the power car to a switch that will be mounted in the roof. The wires will have to be passed through the coach ends and once painted should blend in better. The yellow door is covered in some yellow vinyl.....


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with all these lighting features you are adding you will be having nightime running sessions on the heatherburn railway

Thats a high spec APT now

cheers Brian

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Cheers Brian im looking forward to seeing the APT running across the viaduct at the back of the garden with its lights on and pan sparking!  :cool:

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Very nifty, Dave.  I'm doing a tram at the moment and your idea of the pan. flash has got me going.  I'm off to the tram museum tomorrow to record some hooters, gongs and compressors.  The pan. flash is going to set it off a treat. :thumbs

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wheres your tram thread i eagerly await that?

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Gimmee a break, Dave.  I only picked up the kit yesterday.  I'm still Googling Tenshodo SPUDs, at this stage.

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Trams with light and sound looking forward to that Max. Right just a quick update last night the APT was finished. The lights have now been fitted to the other end and the cables have been run through the train to the switches on the power car. The six car formation is now permantly fixed with the couplings between the power cars and the trailer coaches now glued together. To move the train to the layout has resulted in another little project a six foot long loco lift! At the moment this is just a length of timber but as the rest of the stock is to be treated the same way the lift will be required to move the stock from the workroom to the layout. Just aswell the workbench is long enough! The advantages of having fixed formation stock for me is to prevent the stock becoming detached whilst out up the garden and also the through wiring of the lights. The next rake of stock to be treated will be my push/pull mk2 D/E set. I have previously fitted lights to four of the six coaches but still need to finish converting the DBSO and install the battery packs. Im also planing to modify one of the coaches to a micro buffet and declassify some of them to second class. The stock will retain its blue/grey livery and will run with my name sake 87101 Stephenson. The loco needs some modifications to the running gear and will be fitted with a flash pan like the APT.

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Neat work with the vinyl Dave, Will it stay "stuck" do you think?

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It stuck ok Marty although it has now been removed. Today I got some more offcuts. I have a dark blue and light blue that look like a good match for the transpennine stock that I will be doing at some point as well as some cream that looks similar to the lower bodyside colour on the intercity livery.

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Last night whilst waiting for the video to upload to you tube I had a 'play' with some more of the vinyl. Using a guillotine I cut some strips of dark/light blue, white and the cream and attempted a relivering exercise on some old coaches. Pics later.......

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First up you will remember I mentioned a big loco lift???





Right take one crappy old coach...



Remove the underframe and window glass then cover in dark blue vinyl..



Now the tricky bit cut out the windows..





Add a white stripe...



Then a blue one...



Now the base...



Add top stripes....



Then add to train...





Then take outside for pics....



Wouldn't be a propper transpennine without the 45!





And there we go a relivery without paint that can be removed if needed. Should look good on the next video. :roll: ;-)

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very nifty, who`s a sma..clever chappie!!

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A beauty, Dave. :thumbs

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Well done Dave, good use of what is to hand.
I like that livery too. cheerful.

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Thanks gents. After leaving the vinyl for a few hours I warmed it with a hair dryer and using a small screw driver pushed the vinyl into the door edges , handles, etc. When we put this stuff on shop windows we normaly spray water on first so that it dosn't stick straight away. Then the water and air bubbles are removed with a squeegie. On my model I couldn't quite get the vinyl to stick right up to the handles so I carfully poped some small holes in using the point of the knife then pushed in with the screwdrived and hey presto it worked. I then used a silver marker on the handrails and the finished coach looks like....



I then dicided to try again at relivering a loco so my 47 was chosen as one was actualy painted to match this stock. A quick flick through BR in the eighties provided a colour pic of the origanal so out came the vinyl and....



The cab front actualy came out better than I thought and the hairdryer and screw driver tequnic worked a treet! Just poped the loco and stock outside for some pics....











I still have the other end to do hence I tried not to get the cab in the pic but on the whole what do yo think?? I dont think that this tequnic will ever catch on or replace paint but for trying out a livery you carn't beat it! One advantage though is the ex works shine and putting stripes on is so much easer. I have in my sights some orange offcuts next for those pesky cantrail ones! :twisted: 

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I reckon it looks great, Dave.  You're on to something, there. :thumbs

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I am sure I have a picture of the real thing somewhere - give me a while to see if I can find it and scan it!

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Well that did not take long, but only because it happened to be in the same album as something else I was already looking for!


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that ex-works shine looks magic. Nice effort with the screwdriver too. I was wondering how you were going to do the door recesses.

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Thanks Marty, Chris. Yep thats the loco although the roof is black where on mine I will be leaving the roof grey. For the other side im planning a different livery a heatherburn special so watch this space....

Today i've been helping out again and have come home with a bin bag full of off cuts of vinyl and diffrent thicknesses of foam board so expect some progress on potters lane shortly. ;-)

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Dave your venture into vinyl is eye-opening stuff! You make it sound very easy, but I suspect it takes a lot of patience.
Very nice results!

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Thanks Mike. Ok before I show off the new heatherburn livery first heres a couple of the compleated transpennine rake...





Right here we go the new 'heatherburn livery is.....




Basicly the livery is intercity with burgandy replacing the dark grey. I also did one car of my sprinter...





The sprinter uses a matt finish vinyl whilst the 47 has gloss...





The idea is to have a diffrent livery on either side of the train....










As a test to see how well the vinyl copes with curves I also pimped my scruffy 91...









 
Not sure of the 91 yet will get a better pic outside tomorrow allong with the 86 shell that I have also done.

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Lovely! Very nice colours.

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i like them makes a pleasant change from the norm.

good colours too keep em coming.

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Very good Dave now you have created your own railway company and livery you now have to design a logo and do transfers for them

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Just caught up on this thread Dave and i must say what a transition you have done. Looks very professional Dave well done. I love how you have done it.

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henryparrot wrote: Very good Dave now you have created your own railway company and livery you now have to design a logo and do transfers for them

Great colour combination Dave and I agree with HP, time to make your own railway company and logo's.

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Just got back in from shildon show with my next projects...



The top coach is by kitmaster picked up for £2. This I will be relivering with the vinyls and then sticking it on ebay to test the market any livery sugestions?? The two lner coaches are destined for a serious rebuild involving some mesh and a new roof. Watch this space. ;-)

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http://www.departmentals.com/ :thumbs

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So what plans have you got for the 2 Thompsons then Dave is this a cut and shut or do you intend to purely upgrade them?

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Ok here we go....

Coaches as bought...



These coaches are perfect for the conversion I have in mind as the bodysides are completely flat and the window frames are square.

First remove the roof by unscrewing the two screws then the bodysides drop out...



Remove the raised detail around the doors and cut a big hole at one end...



Glue some sheet behind the oval windows and door windows and then fill with miliput. For those that have never used miliput it looks like....



You just break off equal sized bits and then roll together untill all one colour. Top tip lick your finger then rub over the miliput to smoth it.

Next glue the bodysides in place and add some internal bracing....



The roof has to be completely scratchbuilt so I cut mine from a sheet of 5mm foamex board then shaped with a knife....



With the roof added and some mesh over the windows you get...







Should look the business with a coat of olive green!

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The old electrification train!  Wonder if they may make a comeback now that the Great Western Main Line is to be electrified?  It was an amazing train to watch in work, with no safety bars and guys all standing on the roof of a moving train stringing the catenary up and fixing it in place as it went along.

Probably illegal now and yet I don't recall there every being any injuries!

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And there was me thinking it was a prison transportation coach:lol::lol::lol:

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With roof lighting installed and a change of colour we have....





If only I could find my white letterset!

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For the second conversion I thought about somthing a bit different. Question..how do you work on the OHLE under a bridge?? The answer is to build one of these....

First cut down one end of the coach...



Using some 10mm foamex board build a deck and fit...







With the deck in place fit a new bulkhead....



Now a new roof.....





When attached to the rest of the train it looks like....



Still have to add handrails, lights and grills.

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I hope when you have finished these you put them on the west coast minatures site as you may well find a number of people may well be prepared to pay hansomely for coaches like that

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Managed to get hold of some yellow vinyl today that looks spot on for network rail so I thought about doing the kitmaster brake as a network rail test coach. What do you think??

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Not sure if there should be an orange stripe?

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Dave still looks good  anyway.
that vinyl is usefull kit

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Workbench attention has moved onto another building as I need to raise some funds! I have started another station building similar to potters lane but this time im experementing with the vinyl for use as doors and window frames. Progress is looking good so far with the doors having frosted glass in the bottom panels and ' mirror finish' door hardware!




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 Those doors certainly look good Dave :thumbs

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Thanks Kev the doors were an experement with vinyl that I think works quite well!

OK here we have the first building almost ready for sale just needs a few bits tiyding up before going to the bay....













This building is based on potters lane but has no lights and basic interior. It does however feature frosted glass windows and lower door panels. Better pics tomorrow before listing.

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Looking good Dave.

Like the doors.

Can I suggest you realign the section highlighted below, the camera detail is cruel I know but I think that even at a distance this one will stand out.



I would think that due to the uniqueness of the station building you shouldn't have any difficulty getting a buyer on ebay.

Have you had any bites yet?

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Cheers Marty thats one of the things that needs tiyding up along with the brickwork above the opening at the other end. I will have to stick another piece of vinyl over the white trim as when I tried to peal it off to straighten it the brickpaper started to seperate! Will be listing it tonight but it is posted up on a couple of forums to drum up a bit of intrest first. ;-) 

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Ok the building has now been listed heres the link...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110424086336

Fingers crossed! :roll:

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Dave,

I reckon you should put the building dimensions in your ebay listing. Footprint and height.

Good job. Best of luck.

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Been a while since I last posted anything in this thread. Last night I managed to bag a class 86 underframe and a class 90 motor bogie from the bay so I just need a class 90 trailing bogie before I can resume work on 86 101 Sir 'bill'. No sign on my digital 'train set' yet although its on it's way so expect some pics of me trying to fit one of the decoders into my new 08 shortly! :mrgreen:

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Not long after my last post the postman turned up with my 'train set' and here it is..









And for £49.99 im well pleased with it!! After unpacking I set it up and straight away without reading the instructions had both locos running. Seeing them go in different directions will take some getting used to but needles to say im hooked! Now the tricky bit of transplanting the decoder from the red tank loco to my 08 watch this space! :mrgreen:

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An 08 isnt that hard to do just be sure you connect things properly as you dont have a programming track with the ez

if your 08 is dcc ready i.e it has a socket either directly solder or loose the socket or convert the blanking plug into a decoder plug no lights in the 08 so only four wires RED black to pick ups orange and grey to motor other wires arent needed unless you add lights

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Cheers Brian so far the conversion has gone well with the 08 now DCC fitted! I will post some piccys up later. :thumbs

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Transplanting the decoders proved easer than first thought. This was mainly due to me finding that the decoders were of the plug in type...



With the decoder removed all I needed was a blanking plug..



Now fitting to the 08. For those who are squemish look away now as first I removed the small circuit board from the front and ground off the mounting points..



The plug was then carefully removed from the decoder and the decoder was glued into the space that the circuit board was removed from. The circuit board had a couple of suppressers and a capacitor on it and as the donor loco also had them fitted I thought that an alternitive arrangement was needed. Both the coils were removed and soldered directly to the motor and the capacitor was then soldered between them. A drop of glue and the job was done. Once the wires were soldered to the pickups and motor the loco was tested and then rebuilt....









The decoder in the diesel shunter was also a plug in type..



And was a direct swap for the blanking plug in my 45..



The 08 is now trundeling round the dining room table and the slow speed control is awsome!!

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Dave, with Decoders, the capacitors & chokes( coils) are normally not required & can be left off. But if you are happy with the way the loco performs, then let sleeping dogs lie.

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Sol wrote: Dave, with Decoders, the capacitors & chokes( coils) are normally not required & can be left off. But if you are happy with the way the loco performs, then let sleeping dogs lie.
Correct.  If you find inexplicable behaviour, try cutting the caps off.  They're supposed to suppress radio interference when running on DC.  I remove them as a matter of course.

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I did actualy leave the cap and coils off when I first put the decoder in but as the donor loco had them and also my 45 I though I had better fit them just in case. ;-)

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This morning I picked up my parcel of spares from the sorting office. In the box was a class 86 underframe + weight and a class 90 motor bogie. A couple of years back I bought 4 class 86 body shells from ebay 1 RES, 1 inter city exc and 2 unpainted. As I didn't have the underframes at the time I decided that the 2 unpainted shells would be used for a couple of unusual scratchbuilds. One of the shells was used an experement at building a class 87 from a class 86. This eventualy became 87 101 Stephenson complete with the different roof arangement and was my entry in a loco building competition on the TVGR forum. The other shell was destined to become 86 101 Sir William A Stanier FRS. This loco was rebuilt in 1972 to test the electrical equipment and bogies for the new class 87 then under construction. The project never realy got past a painted bodyshell and during this peroid I decided to change the livery slightly to backdate it to an 86 0xx to run with my Heatherburn (Manchester) pullman train that was at the time under conversion. During this time I was offered a free set of 86 101 nameplates so 101 was then back on the build list. I have therefore decided to finish sir Bill in a version of the early BR blue livery with white cab windows and roof ( might change it to beige) and small warning panels but keep the blanked off headcode panels and headlights as the real sir Bill currently has. I might even fit the roof mounted fire extinguisher bottles. Anyway now on to the build..

As supplied the hornby 86 chassies has a big lip around the edges and at the front as seen here on the trailing end..



Now this needs removing as it gets in the way of fitting the led lighting. I also cut away the front section of floor like this..

(this is the powered end)



Now the reason for removing the section of floor is that the class 90 bogies are slightly longer than the underscale 86 ones...



 When I first tried fitting 90 bogies to an 86 chassies I ended up having to fit some brass bar to hold the bogie in place. This time I have removed the front section of floor and mounted it upside down slightly further forward to accomidate the longer bogie..



To strengthen the drag box the waste section of chassies that was removed for the led's was trimmed...



and then glued behind the buffer beam like..



Now the bogie sits under the loco properly and hopfully will run a lot better than 87 101!



I still have to aquire a class 90 trailing bogie so at the moment sir Bill has a standard 86 one at the other end. Note the difference in length..





Close up of the nameplate fitted..



The holes have already been drilled for the led lighting and will look great once the loco is DCC 'chipped'..



This is the reason for the livery choice...





 

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With the first of the two shows now done im iching to get on with this scratchbuild! I still need to obtain a class 90 trailing bogie but one daft idea that I just had whilst in the bath was fitting a working pantograph. I know that you can get european locos with this option but i've never seen it done on british outline so I think I will give it a go. As this loco will be destined for exhibition use only the class 90 motor bogie should provide sufficent power leaving plenty of space inside the body to fit the lifting mech. Now making a working pan shouldn't be that difficult the main problem is motorising it and then getting it to work with DCC control. Still if Jim can come up with a DCC coupler anything is possable! Any sugestions welcome unless it involves men with white coats! :lol:

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That would be the logical choice Marty but I dont think I can get one to work with DCC ?? If you could interface servos with DCC the posabilities would be endless. I have thought about using another class 86 bodyshell in the depot as a dummy and fitting a servo in that though.  

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Picked up the class 90 bogies this morning from the sorting office so I might actualy get to do some modeling for myself for a change!

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A few piccys of sir bill with his new matching bogies fitted..










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Just relised that I forgot to copy a post to this thread so here's a couple of piccys taken a couple of weeks ago when I installed the led lights at one end..







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Sir Bill looks right now he has the right wheels,and i like the light setup,
bet it looks great running with those on .

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TBH Owen I havn't even tried the motor bogie yet although it was a new one that I got cheep off flee bay. Off out in a bit to see tornado down at shildon. I think mallard is down there as well ?

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Very interesting thread. Must be very satisfying, pulling the loco to bits then adding all the detailed lights and find they actually work as expected. It is good to see a model of an electric powered railway too. I would not be brave enough to try and build all the overhead metal work such as you have done. It all looks superb. What kind of decoder are you thinking of using in Sir bill?

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Not sure yet although I will proberly need one with plenty of outputs as I want to fit a lifting pan.

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As most of you will be aware I will be operating the Heatherburn and Potters lane with push pull trains. So far I have a couple of DVT conversions started that need finishing off. The current fleet consists of a rail blue HST, a scotish region DBSO, a 310 emu style unit that runs with the pullman train and a mk4 dvt. Last night I started another conversion of a HST power car but this time with a difference!

Here's the starting point a hornby shell I got of ebay some three years ago ..





Next out came the surgeon's marker pen..



Humm I wonder where this is going.....







With the nose butchered a bit of milliput was needed..



After leaving overnight a bit of sanding and the distinctive cable grooves cut in with a slitting disc..





The model will be fitted with the led's before the light units are finished off..



The buffer beam takes shape..











Looking forward to upsetting the rivot counter's with this one !!!

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Work on the cab is progressing well...



I have decided to go the whole nine yards with this conversion so all the roof detail has been removed and the ribs on the roof will be extended to just behind the cab. The bodyside grills have also gone as well as the old guards door. I will be fitting new doors to the bodyside later. Had the class 89 become the loco of choice for the ecml/wcml we may have seen the DVT's looking somthing like this...

 

more later.

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Its good wtching you develop this Dave i assume you have to leave the milliput quite a few hours before you can work it?
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Im finding that the milliput can be shaped after about half an hour using an old lolly stick and some water. I did have a slight problem with a new layer of filler not adhearing to yesterdays work although some bostik soon sorted that one out !

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A bit more progress..











 

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Inspiring, Dave.  I'm getting a bit of an itch to do a G scale of an Aussie diesel after watching you and RJR.  :thumbs

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A couple of coats of white before bedtime..











Livery of the finished DVT will be intercity swallow.

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A bit of paint today..













The white stripes are still to be added when the paint is dry but I think that its now getting there!

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Amazing, i wondered what the heck you was doing when you cut it about but now i know and it looks great.

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I have now added the white stripes ..





With this conversion my DVT fleet is growing..



Next job will be to make the LED lighting units.

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Last night I fitted a set of buffers to the DVT conversion then I got sidetracked slightly with the Mk4 DVT! By removing the front spoiler and a modified paint job I now have somthing that looks a bit more westcoast looking....













The light surrounds were cut from some mirror finish vinyl although I will have to do another set when I fit the LED's. Very pleased with how this has turned out as a Mk3 DVT would set me back £40 whilst this cost £5 of ebay.

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Very nice ad nice to see the outside railway being used again or is that the only bit usable/

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Thats the only bit that isnt overgrown or covered in junk ! Needs a hoover though as its covered in dog hair !! :roll: :lol:

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My £1.71 bargan pair of HST bogies arrived this morning for my 89 DVT conversion. Looks great with wheels on !!

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They look really good 87101, it is always rewarding after you take the plunge to hack something about and it turns out so well. Will be even better when the lights are in. The overhead gantries in your pictures look superb, although bit of a nightmare keeping the dust and cobwebs off though! Thanks for posting this an interesting project.

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My transfers for my DVT scratchbuild arrived this morning...










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Starting an intresting new project today. Last weekend's outing with potters lane showed up my definate lack of EMU's. Now idealy I would like a 304 and a 310/312 unit to operate local services but as usual funds dictate that the normal kit built approch is a no no ! So after some thought I have decided to have a go at scratch building some stock using modified RTR stuff. As I have some old scruffy looking hornby mk2's the 310/312 unit will be first. The 310's were introduced in the mid sixties for local services on the southern section of the WCML between Euston and New st. The 312's were introduced 10 years later and were a devlopment of the 310's but had flat windscreens from new whilst the 310's were rebuilt with flat screens during the 80's. The units were based on the mk2 coach bodyshell that was in production at the time. Having studied pics of the units over the past week Im confident that a resonable looking EMU can be produced by rebuilding some old hornby mk2's. Here is the first victim to enter the 'chop shop'.





This coach was origanaly destined to carry different liverys on each side as a way of increesing my rolling stock on the cheep. One side was to have been NSE to run with my 86 401 whilst the other was an experement in provincial livery using stick on vinyl. Now I was origanaly going to use a mk2 brake for the first conversion as the coach windows are further apart but after studying the pics have oppted to use the open coach as the toilet window is in the right place. All the rest of the windows will be removed and revised windows fitted. At the moment im not sure weather to do a 310 or a 312 all depends on how the first conversion goes! As built the 310/312 units ran as 4 coach sets with the pantograph located on the motor coach situated in the middle of the train. Some 310's were later shortened to 3 coach units for use in the midlands and repainted in provincial livery so I may do one of these although I also like the origanal electric blue livery that I have seen them in. A 312 in blue/grey would also be on the wish list. Looks like I will have to stock up on milliput !!

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I think i know the EMU`s you mean i used to see them when i used to go trianspotting at watford junction as a kid i have never seen a RTR model i cant even seeing a kit of them even.

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Jim has a kit built one on New st. To get an idea of what im building have a look here..

http://www.therailwaycentre.com/Pages%20EMU/Recognition%20EMU/IllusEMU_310.html

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 must have been late 60`s early 70`s

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A bit more progress on the EMU project. First the sides were rubbed down and the window frames cut away...



Next the replacement window frames were built up...



The end was also cut out for the cab..





A quick coat of grey primer so I could check the new windows against the pic I was working from..







Comparason with an unmodified coach..





Given the nature of this project I accept that compromises will have to be made but on the whole im pleased with the general look of the unit. Once I have finished the windows on the other side the holes in the body will be filled with milliput.

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looking good from my end Dave,waiting for the finished job now.

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In the words of Victor Meldrew I DONT BELIVE IT !! Checked my emails this morning and one of the lads on BR blue is wanting to order one of these EMU's !! Suppose I had better figure out how im going to do the windows in mine. On top of that I also had another signal box enquiry and at work I was given a bag of animals for this farm that im supposed to make for christmas. Going shopping tomorrow for the saw! :thumbs 

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Found my milliput !! Managed to fill in some of the body work....



with the rest of the coaches emarked for conversion..





to give an impression I have given the end a coat of paint..



After some thought I have decided that my unit will be a 312 in blue/grey as seen here..
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2593/3886730968_13b63ce32b.jpg

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... and away he goes... no stopping this bloke you know!
Glad to hear you are getting more orders Dave.
Keep it up.

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Last night I mocked up the power bogie for the 312...










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Pretty smart, Dave.  Are you going to have a sun roof?  :Red Card

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Its for harvesting the rain water Max for flushing the toilets !

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You joke Max, but two of the QCs involved in the public enquiry seriously suggested at one stage that trains should have roof hatches to allow people to escape if the train was on fire.  It was pointed out that it would not only seriously weaken the structure of the train, it is just a tad dangerous allowing people out onto a roof where 25kv wires are just inches above!

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Thats quite a well known clip Max the guy touches the wires then bounces about before catching fire. Nasty !! :shock:

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turned out o.k then, nice one Dave.

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Na I can't lie the unit is not finished !! I have aproched Adam at Electra railway graphics who is going to produce the sides for me. The side used in the pic is a sample of the N gauge version that he was already working on enlarged to 00 gauge. Im planning to produce a silicon mold for the cab ends so that I can cast the cabs in resin and then use electras graphics to produce the units. I actualy think that the windows look a bit big but Adam is working on the artwork for the 00 version. Still looks good though !! :cool: 

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I squashed the height of the artwork by 2mm so that it fitted the coach side better....







Much better !! Now that I have seen the mock up im looking forward to getting the propper vinyls.

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For my own personal amusement I chopped up some more printed sides to give myself an idea of what the train would look like...






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Latest on the 312 project. This afternoon I have made the master for the cab ends. Sorry the pics arnt that great !!











The cab end has been carved from 5mm foamex and then plasticard and milliput added. I will give it a rub down tomorrow once the milliput has set.

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I decided to paint the cab end to show up any things that need amending. Overall im happy with the shape although there is a small piece that needs filling !







Just need to order some more RTV silicone to make the mold.

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Ok here is the mold...



And here is the first casting....



So far so good with all the detail present. I have poured a second cab so that is now setting whilst the excess resin has been used to repair the fiddle yards on potters lane ready for next weekends Gateshead show.

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A couple of pics from yesterday. First my second scratchbuilt pantograph made from scraps of brass....



The reason for the replacement pan is that I needed the one off the 86 for...



The first coach with the clear glazing strip added...



The 86 pan with a bit of paint added...





Just hope I have set the pan height up right I will find out later this week when I set up potters for a test before the weekends show.

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tut... if you put the springs in it as per the prototype you could have it self adjusting to the required height.

I'll get my coat. :pedal

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Keep peddeling that bike mate !! :lol: :roll: Had an email from Adam at electra last night the vinyl sides are ready and will be getting posted today. Now can I get a coach finished in time for the weekends show ???

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Hello David,
Many Thanks for your PP. Irrespective of Weather Conditions I wouldn't miss seeing ALL your visages(good/bad or ugly) this week-end, including Peter's. :shock::lol: See you there, mate,
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PS:- Just love your "flexible approach" to Pantographs :patheadNice-one Marty:lol:

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Vinyls have arrived for the 312 EMU and look stunning....





Looks like that takes care of my afternoon then !

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Maybe it's my eyeballs but somehow those 312 windows look to be stretched vertically. Might be worth checking the dimensions.

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I think that it must be an optical illusion as now I have one coach done they look ok. ;-)

These vinyls were worth every penny as all the windows were pre cut so all I had to do was peal off and stick down! I still have a lot to do to the power car but as its the first to have the clear glazing fitted I decided to use it for the first vinyl fitting.









It might have been a pain in the rear to cut away the bodysides of the coach to fit the clear glazing but seeing how the thin glazing bars look on the windows makes it all worth while. Now I just have the other three coaches to do.

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Ok I have managed to fit the glazing to the cab windows and finish a driving trailer. I still have things like handrails, wipers, etc to fit but at least I have somthing to take to Gateshead with me at the weekend. Must say though im quite pleased with the way the resin cabs have turned out.













Yes I know the interior is wrong but it looks better than an empty shell !!

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Looks like I have been rumbeled !! :lol:

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Googled 'Electra' to find details of your vinyls and a very!!! interesting web site appeared. Stopped me modelling for at least an hour!

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Thought I would start a new project tonight. A few weeks back I bought some lima 117 coaches with a mad idea of converting them into somthing different. So first I removed the gangways and roof detail from the centre car..





Then chopped off the end..





Cut two of these from styrine



Then with a few more bits assembled this



Followed by a foamex roof



A bit of milliput and the basic details drawn on with a marker pen







Might get away with this !!  :roll: :lol:

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They look great, Dave.  Just leave them like that - a kind of "how to,"  for your exhibition layout.   :mutley

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Ok inspired by the result with the 'easy' end today has been spent chopping up the rest of the DMU coaches. Next to be tackeled was the power car. This is converted from the driving motor brake but cutting off the cab like so



then replacing it with the left over section from the first conversion



The roof was then altered at the guards end and some of the windows filled in



then fit a pantograph that I nicked from 86 401 ( due to be replaced anyway). Also remove all the engine moulding from the underframe on the bandsaw and replace with foamex boxes



Now the 'hard' one !! First cut the centre car like this



loose the middle section to give this



Cut out another two cabs



then fit



Once glued together leave overnight before filling and sanding the cab and roof tomorrow





more progress tomorrow.

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It's actually amazing, Dave.  You've made your own unique stock.  Well done.  :thumbs

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For some pics of the prototype units look here..

http://dennistaylor.fotopic.net/c1690388.html

This site is worth bookmarking as its full of 80's pics ! As for my 304 it will never be a 100% perfect model as the roof profile is wrong but it has been an intresting conversion to do as with some carefull re arranging of the body shells I have managed to get all the windows in the right places unlike that 304 conversion we found on ebay that was just a 117 with replacement cabs !! Last night I dug out an old kitmaster mk1 that I got for £2 last year. I have carfully removed the underframe truss and fitted it to the driving trailer I was working on last night along with the oval buffers from the mk1. The only big thing now missing is the bogies as the 304's had gresley's fitted so I will have a look in the Stockton modeller for a set of bachmann ones once this snow clears!   Havn't figured out how to power the unit yet as my 117 DMB was an unpowered dummy but I suppose that had it been motorised I would have paid a bit more than the £32 that I got the three coaches for. More piccys later once I have the unit in primer.

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Lovely job as usual Dave,and you make it look so easy,which we all know it isn't! You can't beat having your own unique stock.I think you get much more attached to it than any RTR stuff because you've invested so much of yourself into it.Also it takes some courage to start chopping away at something you've spent your hard-earned cash on!!
  More power to your elbow mate!!!

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Cheers guys better late than never Gaz ! :thumbs

A coat of grey primer helps to show up all the work still needed!



There should be another window between the guards area and the passenger compartment but I will unfortunatly have to omitt this as it will be right between the two windows I filled in !!







This end is proving to be a real pain still nothing like a challenge!



This is the truss work that I swiped off the mk1







The buckeye and rubing plate were carved from foamex. Also note the oval buffers again from the old mk1





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Super job Dave and looks as though it was worth all the effort. Odd looking thing, It almost looks like they have cut the nose off a class 25 and stuck it on a DMU. It looks good in plain blue though.

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Once again a superb job Dave. Made to look easy but we know how hard it is. Well done mate.

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Currently cutting out some loco bodysides from stryine. Im also cutting up a pair of HST cabs..........

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Ok cut out the bodysides



Then the HST cabs



Humm wonder what this is going to be....







Think I will stick the plan on for a better idea









Should be an intresting project !!

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Both the bodysides are now cut out. Before I can go any further with the project I need to decide on how to power the 89. I have tried my lima class 47 chassies and this seems to be a perfect fit for the 89 ( both brush locos ) although I need to make a decission on the bogies. Origanaly I was going to use class 58 bogie side frames but now im thinking of class 60 ( again a brush loco ). I have put a request for info on the ac loco group forum so awaiting some feedback before going further with the project.  

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The bogies on a 92 are related to those on the 60 so might be another option especially as the 92 is another Brush leccy.

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Cheers Dave. ;-)

Ok a few progress piccys. First the bodysides. They are different fortunatly I relised before I glued the cabs on that I had missed out the centre grills!



The inside of the body.



HST cabs glued on.



Checking the body shape with the plan.



Nose end modification.







Building up the roof.











As the shell is a good fit on the lima 47 chassies I have decided to go with it. Following a post I made on the ac loco group forum I have been advised to look at class 60 or 92 bogies. I think the class 92 bogies have lower beams fitted so I will investergate further. The cab at the no1 end still needs modding im just waiting for the roof section glue to dry first.



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That is super Dave, its coming on a treat.  These step by step scratchbuilding guides are very interesting and highly informative.  I feel inspired to have a go myself at sometime in the future.

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Hi Peter the roof is built up from 1mm thick stryine sheet. The curve has proved to be a pain even though it is braced from the underside. Now that it has had a couple of days to set properly it realy given the shell imense strength.

Ian I just might look into that as I dont think the DC kits version is in production anymore ? I do however know where there is a vacume forming machine that isn't used anymore.....

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Just found a lima class 60 power bogie + trailing bogie on ebay for my class 89 project so fingers crossed as they are a direct replacement for the class 47 ones. ;-)

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One class 60 power bogie now aquired just hope I win the trailing bogie for the other end !

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A bit more progress on my class 89 project as this morning I picked up the power bogie from the sorting office. Here it is after being trial fitted to the 89..



The plan that it sits on shows the modifications needed. To be 100% correct the wheel base should be slightly bigger at the rear but for ease of construction I can live with this especialy as with a few modifications the power bogie is a direct swap for the class 47 one ! Apart from some filling of the mounting lugs the main job to do is to reduce the height of the molded side supports the underframe rests on as the ones on the 47 are shorter. Once done and everyting is sitting properly modding the bogies can start. When I first thought about this build I was going to use class 58 bogies as these were built roughly the same time as the 89 and look similar but closer inspection reviled that the axel box supports looked wrong. The ones on the class 60 looked much nearer so this was the deciding factor in the choice. On the class 60 the dampers are fitted between the axel box and the bogie frame so these were carfully removed with a knife and put in a safe place as they will be reused when building the distintive damper arrangement later. The other thing to do with the knife is remove the sand boxes and also trim away some of the bogie frame between the wheels. Then comes the modification to the top of the bogie frame using some milliput as seen here..



Once set the rest of the bogies details can be built up from evergreen strip. My long term plan for the 89 is a ' what if things had worked out differently ' train like this..





The DVT needs rebuilding as im not happy with the overall shape but the rake will be DVT + FO + Buffet + TSO + TSOE + 89. Livery will be IC swallow and one of the mk3's will be modified by removing the end gangway to form a TSOE similar the the mk4 version that was later built for the ECML trains.

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Avocet now has one bogie well half a bogie ! Heres the bogie with the basic detail added....





And with a bit of paint...







Just hope I manage to get the trailing bogie for the other end !!

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Just won the class 60 trailing bogie so very happy !! So far the build has cost me £6.05 for the power bogie and £2.97 for the trailing one. The HST cab ends were a freebie from Nigel and all the stryine sheet was free from a skip so so far excluding a couple of quid postage the class 89 build has come in under a £10 !!! The only thing that I now need to keep an eye out for is another lima class 47 chassis so that I can put my 47 back together ! :thumbs 

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 So does this mean you can build us all a loco for less than a tenner Dave :pedal:mutley

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 So does this mean you can build us all a loco for less than a tenner Dave :pedal:mutley

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For 12 quid, you'll get a station thrown in as well Kev. :cheers

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Further progress on the 89. First some detailing using mirrored vinyl starting with the battery box covers..



And the roof hatches..



A bit of paint..



The A side..



The B side..



Number 1 end taking shape..



Number 2 end marked out for the holes for the led lights..



Bodyside cut out for the foot steps and handrail receses...











The finished livery for the 89 will be IC swallow as it was at its naming. After looking through some pics on the net at the time of its naming 89001 still had yellow springs and axel box covers from when it was 'bulled up' for the mallard special in 88.

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Im hoping to have her finished in time for the Jarrow show in march although I have to get the layout finished before then as well !! :roll: :lol: :thumbs 

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That speaker looks a bit too big to me Dave  :roll:  How are you going to squeeze that in there ? :mutley:mutley

It's looking excellent and, as ever, you're rattling along faster than we can keep pace with it. :shock::shock::shock:

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A bit more progress on Avocet. This afternoon I have built up the roof vents and bodyside grills. I have also done a bit more work on the number 1 cab end and fitted the distintive bodyside ribbing at cant rail level. I have also fitted the backs to the handrail openings. Realy there is just the buffer beam and lower cab front on the no 1 end to do before I can get the loco in primer. Aparently the trailing bogie has been posted so this may arrive tomorrow providing that it fits through the letter box ! A few piccys...










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Heres the real thing in the livery that my model will be finished in..
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 Nah, that's not even half as good as your model Dave :doublethumb

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couldn`t agree more, not going as fast either !!!

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First powered test run..


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Whoops crash test !!

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The locos lights have now been installed at one end. As the loco will be used mainly with a push pull set I will leave the lights at the other end for the time being. I did have an issue with the headlights flashing whilst the loco was traveling in reverse but this has been vertualy elimanated when I discovered that there were an extra set of pickups on the trailing bogie. Anyway heres some pics..





Some of you will be fimilar with my APT and its flashing pantograph. I have wanted for a while to fit this to the rest of the AC's and with the new build I have taken this one step further. The APT uses a battery pack for the pan light but the 89 uses the power from the track. This is done by modifying the trailing bogie like this..



Its not a very good pic but you can just make out a reed switch mounted between the wheels. One end of the reed is soldered to the internal pick ups the other end sticks out of the top of the bogie ( black wire) ...



When reassembled the reed sits neatly between the axels...



When the loco passes over a fixed magnet the reed switch flashes a led. For testing the 89 has a white one sticking out of the rear cab windscreen and can be seen flashing here...



The plan is to fit a small blue led to the pantograph head to simulate arching. I will be adding a bridge rectifier to the circuit so that the led will work in each direction. This should also operate the effect if I change the layout to DCC.

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Max did an extremely effective panto "flash" on his tram Dave.

Have a look at that thread - I can't remember how it worked but it was really good.

I have to say that your modelling takes some keeping up with !!  No sooner have you won a bogie on ebay than we're looking at flashing pantographs and lights !!  It's exhausting just to read so you must be totally cream crackered .............

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That "panto flash"  is really good, something I've never seen modelled before.

Can it be seen in daylight at all ?  

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I stole if from Dave in the first place, Peter.  :oops:

Yes, Ian.  I used a 3000 Mcd blue 3mm LED and a reed switch with power from the track.

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Here's what it looks like Ian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVGOpEiZwNY

That one's got a 5mm,  :oops:    but the 3mm I replaced it with, is just as bright.

 

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Ianbo wrote: That "panto flash"  is really good, something I've never seen modelled before.

Can it be seen in daylight at all ?  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVGOpEiZwNY   from http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=4371&forum_id=94&page=5

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we past each other Max, getting the info.

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Geez.  That looks familiar.  :mutley

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Looks good Max did you use normal led's or surface mounts ?

Heres the origanal prototype...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11U9Kv6KHc0

Mine was a small blue bulb, reed switch and 2 AA batteries on board. Peter for the test I have used a 1.8mm white led that looks ok in daylight but didn't show up as well on the video clip. As all my stock are fitted with magnets for the signaling system I had to mount the reed switch on the bogie otherwise the led would stay on !! :roll: 

Off to do a bit more on Piccadilly this afternoon soI will be taking the 89 + rake with me for a play !! :thumbs

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Morning, Dave.  I used a standard 3mm LED.  I filed the top off a bit to make a flat area to CA glue the LED to the pantograph.  The 3mm LEDs are available in 5000 Mcd now.  The blue ones look clear when they are off, so they aren't very noticable.

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Ok its mobile phone video time. First is high speed forwards....



High speed backwards in TDM mode..





Forwards again showing the led flash..


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Dave that looks smart,nice to see a long train at speed.

:doublethumb:cool:

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A couple of strange looking projects have apeared on the workbench tonight. The first is this...





Ignore the hst chassis that the shell is sitting on !
The second was what I did with the left over bits of the networker shell...







Possable basis for a class 323 EMU scratchbuild maybe...... ?

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Tonight I have scratchbuilt another BW pantograph this time with pan flash...





Click the pics to play.

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Today im working my way through the AC fleet. So far I have three 86's fitted with 'pan flash' The latest member of the class to be fitted is 86243 (The boys brigade). This loco has retained its origanal pantograph but it has been totaly rebuilt starting with cutting away part of the base to make it more relistic. I have also be modifying the bogies on the 86 fleet. Anyone who has owned a hornby 86 will know that they have a slight 'lean' to one side and also wobble for side to side. The mod is to fit packing pieces between the metal bar that holds the wheels and the bogie frame. I have noticed that the three locos done so far run better as not only do they now sit up right they also seem to pick up power better. Next on the works list will be 86 219 (Phoenix). This loco will also have the origanal pan rebuilt as well as bogie mods and fitting the 'pan flash' system.   

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The fleets in !







Theres only 86101 and 89001 missing from the electric line up. Im hoping to get th pan built for the 89 as I want to turn a few heads at Jarrow but my model of 86101 will have to wait as I need to get some bits for the underframe from Howes. The pan on the next loco was a right pig to build





Tonight I will be modding the bogies on my 91 for the pan flash system.

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Tonight Avocet gained her pantograph. This was scratchbuilt from bits of scrap brass and copper wire found amongst the junk on the workbench. This loco should feature on scrapheap challenge as apart for the class 60 running gear (£10 off ebay) the rest of the bits were workbench leftovers with the body made from skip waste !





With the fitting of the pan the AC fleet is now up to 7 locos for the Jarrow show with 4x86, 1x87, 1x89 and 1x91.

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Tonight my 304 EMU became operational with the fitting of the motor bogie that I got from Jim. The second driving trailer has had a coat of BR blue/yellow end/black roof to make it more presentable for Jarrow. Still a lot of detailing to be added but at least now I have a unit for the local services.

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Dave,

Any pictures of the mod being done to stop class's 86 and 87 from the tilt please

 

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Ian, Dave is no longer a member of this forum http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=8377&forum_id=29

and so cannot read your question. contact him via davidjbentley@talktalk.net

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Hi everyone im still here but only just due to work and getting ready for next months Jarrow show where I will be taking a refurbished AC lines for the weekend. Workbench wise I currently have quite a few projects on the go with some nearing completion curently the situation is ......

Scratchbuilt class 83 no 83012. Loco shell cut and shut from a hornby class 86 sitting on a stretched roco chassis neads buffers, numbers and livery finishing off

Scratchbuilt class 84 load bank loco. Shell and bogie sideframes were an ebay bargan at £15. This just needs numbers and cast br arrows

Scratchbuilt class 82 no 82008. Shell modified from a trix class 81 foamex chassis with lima class 87 motor. Requires trailing bogie building up, glazing and electrical detail adding.

Scratchbuilt class 312 emu. This started out as 4x hornby mk2 coaches converted using my own cast cab ends and electra graphics overlays for the bodysides. Unit almost finished currently running on the test track.

Scratchbuilt class 304 emu needs arrows/numbers to finish.

86101. Chassis modified loco undergoing repaint into IC exc livery

87006. Needs reed switch fitting for the pan flash.

87005/87009 pans need modding/replacing. The short lima bogies I can live with for the time being.

 

 

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Not much happening on your bench then Dave ...............:shock::shock::shock::shock:

When you say you'll be taking a "refurbished" AC lines to Jarrow, do you mean "tarted up" or redesigned ?


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The trent valley module now has a typical 80's housing estate in the rear corner. This was recycled from the old garage layout. Both trent valley and potters lane have now been painted black to make the set up look like one layout instead of two small modules. Potters has also lost the top display as I dont need to advertise westcoast miniatures anymore. The only big job left to do is to build a couple of 6'x2' stock boxes that fit in front of the fiddle yards as the previous ones got recycled for a baseboard job I did for someone! One project I forgot to mention is the electric deltic that I have had sitting about for about a year. This is a dapol kit fitted with the running gear from a lima class 47 and part of the roof has been removed for fitting a pantograph. :mrgreen:

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Has the sign making taken over from Westcoast Miniatures or do you have enough work on to not need to advertise it ?

Any chance of some photos of the whole set-up either before or during Jarrow show ?  I can't get over to any of the shows this spring. :cry::cry::cry: 

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Hi Dave, when's the Jarrow show? I could only find the one at Birtley listed for next month. Might see you there if the date's okay.

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Peter I gave up with westcoast after having a big fall out with a customer. I actualy came very close to selling up all my stock as it had got to the point where I had lost intrest in the hobby however Rachel talked me out of it so now I just model for my own enjoyment and maybe the odd commision for a few friends.  ;-)

Pat Jarrow show is 16th-17th March. I dont bother with Birtley as its all steam. :roll: ;-)

 

 

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Thanks Dave. Looks like I could make it on the Saturday.

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Sounds like a plan to me look forward to it. :doublethumb

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I'm sorry to hear you gave up with Westcoast Dave.  You did some really good stuff there.

Once you start dealing with the public, you realise there are some very odd people out there.

I'm gald you'd still do some bits for friends ................:roll::roll::roll:


                 

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