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 Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 09:15 am
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Brass frame on the inside of the bogie, neat idea, now... where did I put that coach?



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 Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 10:55 am
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87 101 wrote: Not much happening latley on the rolling stock front although I have a major rebuilding plan for the loco fleet. As you all are aware the garden railway features an incline around the back of the rockery. The drive mechanisims in the old 86's are basicly crap and need dumping in a skip. I have been reading about a rebuild using a bachmann warship loco as a spares donor. Basicly the drive unit and bogies are removed from the warship and transplanted into the electric locos. The conversion is fairly straight forward my problem is getting hold of donor locos at a resonable cost. Is the warship chassies available seperatly?? Also has the warship always had the same drive unit or did the early ones have a motor bogie instead of central drive unit?? I ask so that I can look out for one second hand. Just as an after thought could someone with a bachmann 20 measure the wheel base for me as I also have the APT and 91 to re motor. Any help apreciated. ;-) Hi Dave

Is it my thread you have been following on RMweb? 




Afraid the warship chassis isnt available on its own but dont forget the upcoming Heljan class 86 should be useful!  The class 20 wheelbase is 8ft 6.  ISTR the APT's and 91's have longer wheelbases than that, I'll have a check.

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 Posted: Mon Jul 6th, 2009 01:30 pm
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Yes Jim it was your thread on RMweb. Dont know how a central motor will work with the APT though as the powercars tilt like the rest of the train. At the moment I have both powercars on the workbench for a bit of tlc! Also im going to experement by fitting an express models light flash to the pantograph. I think the bulbs are available seperatly as basicly the kit is just a bulb/reed switch and a battery pack. Reason is all the signaling is controlled via reed switches so all the locos have magnets. Don't think that a diesel would look relistic if there was a blue flash from the OHLE every time the loco passed over the switch. A plus point with mounting the bulb on the pan is I just put a fixed magnet between the rails and the magnets are cheeper! ;-)

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Last night I rebuilt both the motor bogies on the APT. I used parts from a tender drive to cary out the repairs. One bogie had the armature, magnetic ring and brushes replaced whilst the other one had the magnetic ring replaced with one from an old 86 power bogie. Jim the power bogie on the APT is the same as the 86 but with smaller driving wheels fitted. Both bogies were fitted into power car city of derby. The other power car has been modified as an additional pick up coach. This involved removing all the wheel sets and turning them round. This is due to the bogie frames being metal and the fact that the two power cars are linked via a brass bar. If I didn't turn the wheels round I would get a short circuit when the bar is fitted. Plus point is that the bar now acts as a means of connecting the bogies electricaly. The other bogie is linked to the bus bars on the roof and is linked to the bus bar on the other power car via a short wire link. The pan has been fitted with the blue bulb and looks great when a magnet is used under the coach to flash it! The bulb is powered from two AA batterys mounted in the power car. The other job that took most of the evening was painting the interior of the coaches. Instead of the pink interior supplied by hornby the second class driving trailers now have cream walls, seat backs, grey carpets and red seats as per prototype. I chickened out with the tartan patten on the seats but did add some white head rest covers. First class now has blue and grey seating again in line with pics of the real train. In the cabs the drivers desk has been painted blue. I did take a few pics but I think that a video clip would show the train off better so I will have a go at taking some at the weekend. Before then I will fit the new head and tail lights to the second driving end and also the interior lights. I may power these off some rechargable battery packs mounted in the unpowered power car. If sucessfull I may start work on the mk2 push/pull set next as most of these coaches have already had the lights installed. ;-)

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Dave sounds like a great little project you are doing there especially the interior painting. Where did you get the tartan paint from?

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 Posted: Tue Jul 7th, 2009 09:08 pm
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B&Q in Glasgow! :lol:

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I'm looking forward to the pics, Dave.  Going by your earlier efforts, this is going to be excellent.  Cheers  Max



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OK a few pics then. First the motor rebuild...



Next both power bogies fitted along with the AA batterys for the pan flash..



Close up of the pan note the bulb on the head....



The pan is fitted to the top of the motor bogie to allow the coach body to tilt. Brass bar coupling...



Driving cab....



First class....



Second class.....



These last two are for the steam fans and show A1 Tornado at speed on the shildon mrc layout allerton junction....





 

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Thanks, Dave.  Those power bogies might be the go for the trams I've got coming up.  What brand are they, please?

"Pan flash", is that a flashing beacon on the pantograph?



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Dave really good stuff , you have been busy,the paint job looks very neat.

Max pan flash is the spark you see when the pantograph hits a junction
in the o/h line

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Thanks Owen.  That's going to be something to see :exclam



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I would have thought Max`s welding units would work well as the flash on catennery or a very similar circuit

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Hi Dave

You seem to be cracking along. Are you using DCC? I was planing to use a function for my pan spark so that I can fire it whenever I want.

If you decide to go for a remoter for the APT you will need one of the Heljan Class 26/27 or 33 models as these have a 10ft wheelbase as per the Hornby model.

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Thanks Jim for the info I may remotor eventualy once im back earning again! I did consider DCC but decided to stick with DC so that I could use electronic track cleaners outdoors. Max the power bogies are standard hornby. ;-)

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As per usual what works ok on the bench tends to be pants when tried out on the track! Today APT had its first test runs outdoors. First test showed up problems with the motor bogies. One motor ran ok the other not as good! The powercars were removed to the workbench and stripped down again. As a result I built up one powercar so that I could test the rest of the train. This powercar then required some evergreen strip adding to the bogie supports as the wheels were lifting off the rails. Modifications completed another test proved more successful. The arc effect was then tested and looked quite relistic. Whilst the train was being tested I decided to get the video camera out and shoot some long awaited footage of the APT in action. It is being uploaded to you tube although its taking ages to upload. Links when its finished. ;-)

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Two sodding hours to upload this!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11U9Kv6KHc0

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Good Dave - I like the pan flash!

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Work has continued today on the APT. First task was to sort out the power cars. After yesterdays testing City of Derby has had the second motor bogie reinstalled. After a few problems with the gears jaming up I got the power car running OK and then set to work on wiring up the second power car for additional pick ups. The origanal idea using the brass bar was retained although I decided to thread a wire through the bar rather than have a wire running between the bus bars across the roof. When rebuilding the second power car I took a few pics of the modifications to the bogie mounts as per yesterdays test session. To allow the cars to tilt the bogie frames are held in place by curved guides in the bodyshell. One problem I had was the outer wheels lifting off the rails. This was cured by gluing two strips of evergreen strip to make the guide thicker



Another strip was then glued to the other end holding the bogie in place more securely



With the chassies mods done both power cars were then linked together and given a run up and down the main line. Whilst testing I noticed that the unmodified articulated bogie was causing a few problems. This was down to the design of the bogie frame. As built by hornby the bogie is designed to split in half so that the train can be put in a box. Unfortunatly this also meens that the bogie frame is not quite square and has a tendency to go sideways! As my APT is going to be fixed formation the bogie was trimmed slightly then permantly joined together. Now before anyone says about devaluing the train I would like to make a couple of points. I got it off ebay last year for the resonable sum of £55 ( usualy go for double that) and after waiting for over 20 years to own one I have no intention of parting with it! Anyway the bogie pivots on a J shaped bar that sits in a groove in the floor. One end of this has a tendency to move again causing derailments so some plasticard was fitted over the ends. Before refitting the articulated bogie had some copper wire added. These are used as bus bars to connect up the coach lighting. Copper bus bars have also been fitted the length of the coaches to which the leds have been soldered. The link between the bogie and the coach bodies is via small wire links...







At this point I have just relised that I forgot to photo the leds in place but as tomorrow I will be fitting the headlights I can take some. With all the lights fitted I took the modified coaches outside



After the battery leads were disconected I ran the complete train up and down a few times and I can report that the rebuild is a success. Heres a couple of pics I missed. First the reed switch for the arcing pan



This was fitted inside the body but yesterdays tests showed that it needed to be closer to the track. Heres the first class compartment with the painted seats



and heres second class




Tomorrow I will be fitting new white led headlights and figuring out the power supply. :roll:

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:wowNow that is really nice Dave.

A lot of work but well worth it. The repainted second class seating comes out well.

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thanks Dave, some good ideas there,the train is looking great.

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