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 Posted: Sat Nov 8th, 2008 08:58 pm
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No pictures yet folks.

Lanquishing at the back of  my fiddle yard is a Vitrains 37 414 regional Railways, It hasnt run well for a while, It did do a fair few miles on my outdoor layout.

I decided it could be put to much better use. So I decided a double headed 37 freight service would look good. Double heading with one dodgy motor, is a lot easier with the motor removed! So out it came, I now have a "dummy" 37, it may well still have a decoder for the lights.

The body has been stripped of glazing and detials and given a coat of grey primer.

Im thinking it will end up railfrieght redstrip 37680 to compliment my existing 37678

http://jpc.fotopic.net/p28040201.html

 

 

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 Posted: Sun Nov 9th, 2008 06:10 pm
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Some progress has been made



The nose yellow has come out too yellow, and i will have to mix a second batch, the main body is still only primer.

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Looks exactly like it has just come out of works for a test before the final coat of paint is applied John - great!

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Thanks Chris, im still disappointed with the yellow, the batch I mixed looked spot on in the tub, but never mind Il have another go. This evening I mixed up some grey and got the colour much closer this time.





I think sorting the yellow out will be the next job, just because it easier than the red stripes. Then if it starts to look half decent i may have to order some transfers from Fox. I dont think I need to get the colours spot on as it will be HEAVILY weathered, Im even thinking of putting a smoke unit in (plenty of room inside with no motor)

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 looking good John, i agree with you about the yellow:thumbs

Is it brush painted or sprayed???



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Its brush painted, i do have an airbrush and compressor, it was given to me, but I have never took the time to try it. Not having to mess wih masking tape is another advantage of using a brush! although I may need some tape for the red stripe, I dont think my hand is that steady!!

 

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I think I have improved the yellow so moved on with the red (on one side anyway) painting the upper fine red stripe was a bit tricky.



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Looks good to me John :thumbs

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Thanks Phil, no pictures tonight as I ust spent 10mins painting the red stripes on the other side, and the pictures would just be a mirror of what you have already seen..

Ive been weighing up the fox transfers site, it seems you cant just buy a set for a railfreight 37 which means I would have to buy one sheet of large logos, one sheet of railfreight logos a sheet of numbers, so it may work out deare than I thought Mmmmm will have to see if there are any alternatives.

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I don't know if it's the photograph or the computer John but that yellow looks more like a cream to me. The tiles it is posed against look more yellow. Looking at the first picture are the other two locomotive front ends the colour you are after?



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its been a constant battle bob, Im on my third shade of yellow, The picture doesnt do it justice really and because it is taken in the kitchen under different lights than the shed it looks different again !!!!! Aghhhhh! Its not that far off now under shed lighting and it is going to be heavily weathered so Im not stressing ....yet !

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I have never seen the real thing but there must be, or have been, hundreds of locomotives trundling round with their front ends weathered to all shades of that particular yellow, so I wouldn't worry too much about the end result.



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It looks like a very nice neat job, John. No idea about which colour it should be, but I've just looked through yahoo images and there sure are some heavily weathered specimens!

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John,

I have hesitated before posting this but in the spirit of the constructive criticism as recently discussed the yellow still looks very faint.  I am sure that you know you can get the correct shade from Phoenix but you are I guess determined to make it yourself?

I cannot tell from the photo but you mention the red stripe at cantrail level.  This should actually be orange and it is a mandated safety requirement for all rolling stock to carry this.  The exact colour is specified in the group standards and the purpose is to show the safe height to which any staff can work on the loco and be safe from the overhead wires.  Likewise cleaning staff cannot use their brushes higher than this line and this is a handy tip for any weathering as it will always be worse above the orange line at depots with overhead wiring.  Of course if there is no overhead electrification then you can ignore the line.

I think this is the livery you are recreating: -



The picture below is the best I can find with a close up of the orange line to give an idea of the shade: -



Anyway, it is of course your railway and I am the last person to say "that's not right" but though this may be helpful.  Of course if it is going to be lagged in grime none of it will probably be visible anyway!

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Great project to take on John

I think we must have been jioned at the hip once in life, as I am going to do the same with a class 20 soon, Think we should get together one day and sort out what we are going to do for the next two years.:mutley

Have you brought the Fox tranfers yet.

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Arcadia do the railmatch range (bet you knew this) i got the warning panel yellow from them. looks about the right match. i think you should dust off the air brush, you will be suprised at what can be achieved with little experience. the fox stuff is exspensive when you have to buy 3 sheets, but if you enjoy doing this i am sure another will be making its way to the workbench.

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re colours,that is a good example the model is yellow but the proto has
faded to a creamy shade, mmmm
the mind boggles !

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Thanks for all the comments,

Chris as I am sure you know your comments are taken in the spirit they are given. The picture I was usig as reference and also the Bachmann 37 I have make the orange line look red, I didnt realise that it was ment to be orange, Having said that it took me that long to paint it on freehand Im sure the weathering will all but hide it !!!

This is my ref pic
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As for the yellow, Chris and Matt, Yes I guessed railmatch had the right colour but the do it on the cheap in me made me think I could get the colour right by mixing my own. Yep I was wrong hands held very high ! :) For the sake of the cost of a tin of paint I may have to repaint the ends. As previously stated I am planning to make this the dirtiest loco on the fleet, but I would have to make it near black to hide the yellow !!

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After having had a look at your reference picture John it seems that you aren't going to be that far out after weathering.



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You are far more adventurous than me John as I would have had to use a transfer for the warning line anyway!

As Bob says once weathered it is going to look the part but as I said before the original colours are spot on for works undercoat and even though you do see locos out on test like that you never see anyone model it.  I hope you remember the proportions for mixing those colours as I will be after some when I braven up to repaint one of my models into works colours!

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