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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 05:57 pm
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You see Perry it was Jeff who started this and i just tagged along :mutley, mindue he has a point thou :shock:. Still could be even worse, he may start doing GWR :thud

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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 06:13 pm
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Enough, gentlemen, enough! :lol: I know when I'm beaten.

I've got a few family-type commitments over the next couple of days, but hopefully I'll find time to get some modelling stuff done very soon.

And by the way, SWMBO is talking about making more space in the room that houses my layout. I wonder if I could perhaps extend the length of run...........:Happy

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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 06:22 pm
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Perry wrote: And by the way, SWMBO is talking about making more space in the room that houses my layout. I wonder if I could perhaps extend the length of run...........:Happy

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:Happy:Happy:HappyMore scratchbuilding is on its way. Tell SWMBO is wonderfull Perry.

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I am quite amazed at how easily a Super Moderator can take a thread off-topic (something I would never do) and look forward to much more serious scratch-building. :twisted: ;-);-);-);-);-);-);-)



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 Posted: Thu Nov 13th, 2008 07:35 pm
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I am currently experimenting with a new (for me) method of producing window frames.

I am the proud owner of some vintage 'bow pens' that formed part of an age-old technical drawing set - although similar items are still available, I believe. (I think Noah used a similar set when he designed the Ark. :shock: :roll:;-))

I loaded some slightly thinned 'Vallejo' off-white acrylic paint into a bow-pen using an eye-dropper. I quickly discovered that putting too much paint into the pen was a mistake; it works better with just a small amount at a time. I ran the pen along the edge of a plastic ruler turned 'upside down' and gradually adjusted the width of the pen tip by means of the little thumbscrew. A smaller gap was better. I used some old offcuts of 2mm clear plastic to draw on, and feel that with a few minutes more practice and careful adjustment of paint thickness - which seems fairly critical, I will be able to draw any style or colour of window frames I desire. (It didn't take me long to realise that my computer printer can't do white ink!!) The bow pen tip can even be mounted in a pair of compass legs to enable me to draw arches.

The following picture shows some lines that I drew within 5 minutes of starting using this method. It can only get better with practice, but i think it shows great promise.




This type of tool was (is?) commonly used by really clever folk who paint and line their own locos - which is where I nicked the idea from. :oops:

The beauty of using acrylic paint is that if it all goes wrong, it can be washed off before it dries with plain water. :thumbs


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that is one very good post,thanks just might solve a problem or three
i had heard of such a pen but never knew what it was used for.

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rector wrote: I am quite amazed at how easily a Super Moderator can take a thread off-topic (something I would never do) and look forward to much more serious scratch-building. :twisted: ;-);-);-);-);-);-);-)

:hmm Well then, I'll bow to the judgement of such a sage, apologise for my misdemeanours :oops::oops::oops: and do the appropriate penance.

So expect updates on both the Belle View Steelworks and the workbench thread over the next few days (or by Monday at least) :exclam:exclam  

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Work has restarted on the Co-op building. Last evening I added the brick cladding to the end walls and the corner piers. I still have to add the decorative string courses to the tops of these.

After that I have to decide whether to build the bay window units or add the plinths next as fitting one may affect the other. I need to do a little planning first to make sure I do the jobs in the correct order. Making little mock-ups in scrap material will probably help.

More photos to follow soon. :thumbs

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 Posted: Sun Nov 23rd, 2008 10:38 am
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There's not much alternative to modelling today!



.......so I got on with the Co-op build.

Three pieces of scrap 6mm MDF were cut to size and glued in place with tube polystyrene cement to form the floors.



Apart from adding some weight and stability to the model, these pieces of MDF also provide something to hold a couple of screws to secure the building to the sub-baseboard. Screwing rather than glueing the buildings in place minimises damage if they ever have to be removed.

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i presume that is your house and it is snowing where you live Jeez that looks cold

do you usually get snow at this time of year?

Your are right modelling is the only thing to do today

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This is my neighbour's house - it was too cold to go outside to photograph mine! I just poked my camera out of the window. ;-)

Snow is quite unusual this early in the winter, but it's the second lot we've had. It actually snowed here in October this year.

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Amazing Glazing!

I recently purchased some 1mm thick clear plastic sheet from a local model shop for use as glazing material.

It is called 'NUDEC PETg'. The makers appear to be a Spanish firm who have a website at http://www.nudec.es. (...and before anyone asks, this is a genuine clear plastic product and has nothing at all to do with nudes!)

If the Company is provided with an email address via their website they allow the downloading of a .pdf data sheet for this material. This gives all the information one could possibly need to use this material for all sorts of purposes; moulding, use of adhesives, etc., etc.

It's pretty amazing stuff. It seemed very stiff and brittle when being cut but can be bent cold, by hand, to pretty tight radii without cracking, snapping off or going 'white' along the bend line like some other clear plastics do.

This stuff is pretty amazing. I'm currently experimenting with making the bay windows in one piece, instead of needing three panels for each.

It should be good for making those big glazed canopies seen at some stations, for example.

I haven't tried to find out who else stocks this stuff in the UK, but it shouldn't be too difficult to find.

(I'll copy this information to the appropriate 'materials' section of this forum.)

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The two bay windows have been cut and cold bent from 1mm Nudec clear plastic to represent the unusual 'set back' aspect of the bays.

The middle window on this image, beneath the 'Chubby Panda' lettering, is one of the prototype bays.







This image shows the bays either side of what will become the main entrance.

After fixing in place, the window framing will be added.

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Very effective and the pen and bendy plastic are great ideas, for me windows are the hardest thing to scratchbuild.

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It looks like that stuff performed quite well Perry. It looks like a mirror instead of a window in the picture. You may have to put a light inside to solve that, or was this picture taken at night?

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It's an optical illusion, Wayne. The objects seen through the window actually are behind the model - not reflections. I was photographing them under less than ideal lighting conditions and, as I've said before, I'm a rubbish photographer. The model was photographed at night with just a desk lamp to illuminate it. In actual fact, the clarity of this plastic is superb - looking at it on the bench beside me now, unless the angle of the light is right I can barely see it at all!

Window frames, interiors and possibly lighting has all yet to be sorted out. :thumbs

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I have decided to make the main framing for the windows from microstrip.

Here is the work in progress on one of the bay windows:



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Looks good Perry, Imho the bow pen idea for glazing bars in this case ,would have turned out too fine. Maybe for a smaller window another time? looking forward to more of the same .:lol:



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Perry that glazing has to be the best i have seen,it looks so real.     
 very good material  indeed .

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sparky wrote: Looks good Perry, Imho the bow pen idea for glazing bars in this case ,would have turned out too fine. Maybe for a smaller window another time? looking forward to more of the same .:lol:

Thanks, Sparky.

I totally agree. The bow pen method is just another weapon in the armoury to be used when the situation requires it.

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