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 Posted: Fri Oct 31st, 2008 06:01 pm
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Here - finally - are the 'Secret Weapon' pictures:









As you can probably see, it is constructed from some pieces of nominal 2" x 1" (50mm x 25mm) timber left over from the last session of baseboard building.

I cut two 3 foot lengths and gave them a couple of coats of white paint.  When they were dry, I marked them off at suitable intervals; I chose feet and inches 'cos that's what I prefer. Then I used masking tape to delineate the areas to be painted black.

A brass hinge from the scrap box was screwed in place to join the two parts together and a small hook catch was attached on the reverse side to stop it folding up when I don't want it to.

The pictures show how it can be used straight or angled, and folds in half for ease of transportation.

Rocket science it isn't, but useful to me it most certainly is. It can be propped or held  against a building, or whatever else one needs to measure, by a willing assistant - SWMBO perhaps: ( "Let me take a nice picture of you, dear - and oh, by the way, would you mind taking this and standing against that signal box with it, please?...............") :mutley:mutley:mutley

It is then photographed in situ and allows reasonably accurate measurements to be worked out from the resultant images.

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Ingenious Perry - do the Ministry of Defence know about these new weapons.

Brilliant idea but I don't think I'd have the nerve to turn up with them and start measuring.:cry:

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Les put the camera on a tripod, stick Perry`s secret weapon up and people
will assume you are a surveyor.
a very useful tool Perry i bet you will find it invaluable.

:pathead:pathead:lol::lol::lol::cool:

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It looks like you have been convinced to do another marathon Perry

A lot of work for you but i feel sure in saying all the core members will follow your great descriptions with great interest and all of us get inspiration from what you do

cheers Brian

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I generally find that a polite request for permission to measure up is seldom denied - especially if the reason for it is explained. They may think you're slightly mad, but are then even more likely to want to humour you. :pathead

Obviously sensitive subjects and sites are best avoided, but we are railway modellers after all - not military ones.

I have tried using an expanding steel rule - the type that pull out from a reel casing. They obviously do the job of measuring OK, but the dimensions don't show up too well, if at all, in photographs.

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Like all secret weapons, this one can go in virtually undetected, get the job done and get out fast!

Well Done Perry!

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Les wrote: Ingenious Perry - do the Ministry of Defence know about these new weapons.

Brilliant idea but I don't think I'd have the nerve to turn up with them and start measuring.:cry:

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I'm very thick skinned. I have been insulted by experts, but I'm still around! :cool wink

If the subject has free and public access, you can always have a bit of fun by inventing an off-the-wall reason for doing what you're doing.

One incident I can relate goes back to when I was carrying out some voluntary wildlife surveying work some years back. The technique I was using involved brushing tree trunks with a soft hand-brush to extract small invertebrates from the bark fissures. I became aware of an observer who eventually asked what I was doing. The conversation went something like this:

"Hello. What are you doing?"

"Brushing this tree." 

"Why?"

"Well, we are expecting some VIP visitors to the Reserve later today and we can't have the trees looking all dusty, can we?"

At that he went happily on his way.

I also had a similar type of encounter on a local beach. I was using a telescope to view sea birds going past well out to sea. They were not visible to the naked eye, being too far out. Mr Anorak turned up.

"Hello. What are you doing?"

"You know how train spotters collect the numbers of railway engines?"

"Yes."

"Well, I collect the numbers off the conning towers of German U-Boats."

"Do you? How many have you got?"

"None so far. They're very rare now because the war ended about 50 years ago and there's not too many left."

"Oh. Good luck then."

I swear to you that both tales are true. :thud

The moral of these tales is that you can get away with any old cock and bull story as long as you tell it convincingly. Next I'll have you believing that I can make model buildings from scratch.... :mutley:mutley:mutley

I know all this is a bit off-topic - nay, a lot off topic, - but so what. I'm trying to convey not only my practical techniques and methods but also my mind-set. I will probably get seriously 'moderated' for this, but in the infamous words of Lauren Cooper, "Am I bovvered though?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Cooper

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Meanwhile, back at the O.K. Corral......

I intend to begin the measuring up and photographic stage of the Co-op building within the next few days. I need a day when the light is good, the town isn't too busy with traffic and I have the time to do the job.

As the Co-op model will be fairly long and fairly high but not very 'deep', I will incorporate some MDF into the base to give stability and also provide something by which I can attach it to the layout baseboard with small screws.

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Can not wait Perry, looks like my new layout is going to suffer then :???:

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Measuring stick is a good idea, worth putting in the Forum Index Perry. Thanks.



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Perry, following those two "true" stories,  you won't be moderated by me.      How could I do that  :question considering I was the one to answer your question mid-week.

That is a very good important aid in the field of scratchbuilding.

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Perry wrote:As the Co-op model will be fairly long and fairly high but not very 'deep', I will incorporate some MDF into the base to give stability and also provide something by which I can attach it to the layout baseboard with small screws.

Sounds to me like you've been doing some planning already! Can't wait to see this get started.

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Perry, I know that you were jesting about brushing the dust of the tree for VIPs, but in Aldershot we did see the Army painting the grass green for the Princess Royal's visit!

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 Yes Chris, whilst confined to the guardroom (for some minor misdomeaners), we had to paint the coal outside white and then paint it black again



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 Yes Chris, whilst confined to the guardroom (for some minor misdomeaners), we had to paint the coal outside white and then paint it black again


Oh yes happy days they where 2, 12 years and i lost count of painting coal and things that did not move :lol:.

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Sorry Perry to be getting off your topic, but it was also not unknown in Aldershot to see squaddies painting the yellow lines on the road with toothbrushes - no idea what they had done wrong to get that job!

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Christrerise wrote: Sorry Perry to be getting off your topic, but it was also not unknown in Aldershot to see squaddies painting the yellow lines on the road with toothbrushes - no idea what they had done wrong to get that job!

Perhaps they went off-topic? :mutley:mutley:mutley:mutley

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Wayne said: Sounds to me like you've been doing some planning already!

I think my planning process starts at the instant I decide that a subject would make a good model for my layout. It helps me look at things with a 'modeller's eye'. I look for the symmetry in a building. I try to see the whole broken down into it's component parts. (I hate trying to explain my thought processes. It always sounds pompous. :oops:) Anyway, for example, this Co-op building has a quite symmetrical front elevation. Split down the middle between the two gables each part is pretty much a mirror image of the other. Here's a reminder:



At the far right hand side there is an entrance which leads to the upper floor, but above the ground floor line it appears perfectly symmetrical. This will enable component parts to be fabricated quite rapidly; lots of the dimensions will be the same. Looking at the above photo, I have already considered that I will need to make slightly more than half the depth of the building because of the little 'tower' that sits in the middle of the roof. If I built that as low-relief, i.e. only half of it, it would look all wrong. I'm estimating at present that I can stop just beyond the middle pier on the left-hand side wall so that part of the reverse slope of the roof can support the complete 'tower'. However, it depends how it looks on the layout because, after measurements are obtained, a cardboard mock-up will be put in place to see how the whole thing looks. At that stage the whole project can still get binned if it doesn't look right.

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Sorry Sgt Perry - back on track now!

The Chubby Panda is an interesting business name as well:lol:

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And the building is on a slope too.:hmm

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Les wrote: And the building is on a slope too.:hmm

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Quite correct, Les, but the model won't be. The town cross I built a model of is actually sited higher up the same incline, but my model is sited on level ground. I will have to use some modeller's licence to decide on the level for the ground on the model, but I'm guessing at this stage that as long as the main entrance in the middle of the building looks right, the rest will follow fairly naturally.

The 'Chubby Panda' is now a restaurant and are "Specialists in Thai and Chinese Cuisine" - and no, I haven't eaten there yet. It's quite a change from it's earlier use.

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