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 Posted: Sun Sep 28th, 2008 10:42 am
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Now I've had this P&D Marsh white metal kit for ages,and been putting off building it.I'd prepared the donor chassis at around the same time I got the kit,but a lack of confidence in my ability to do it,along with other jobs to do on Haysbridge has seen the project delayed.Also,I'd bought a 2-6-0 ready made on Ebay,and tarted that up,so there was no real urgency to get stuck in!
   The kick up the harris to not only do it,but give it my best shot came last week when I saw the inspirational Bodmin layout,and their kit-built locos.
   I made a decision to have DG couplings,so completion will be when they are up and running.
   Here are a few photos detailing work carried out so far;
Firstly,the chassis from a Farish prairie tank with the trailing bogie removed and the rear of the chassis sawn-off!!(NOTE:I kept the chimney from the prairie,and 'recycled' it!)

Here's the bits for another mogul,to give you an idea,I got carried away and half-built the loco before I realised I hadn't taken any piccys!!! These bits would produce a later version as developed by Collett,Churchward's successor.

Here's a couple of shots of the body of the loco assembled before the test fit;


The tender body assembled(minus the fiddly bits,which will be done later)and the donor tender chassis(Ebay)which will be wired to the loco before final fixing to give 12 wheel pickups;

And finally,for now,at least,a shot of the old girl with her tender,and showing areas where miliput has been used to fill gaps;




There's still lots to do,the paint job so far is only undercoat,theres the tender to sort out,transferring,adding the fiddly bits,handrails,etc.,so stay tuned.

Cheers,John.B.
(And before you say anything,Marty...YES,when she's finished,there WILL be a video!:lol::lol::lol:)



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 Posted: Sun Sep 28th, 2008 11:57 am
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intersting post,its a long time since i built a loco,forgot how fiddly it
can be,then all the work afterwards ie- painting tuning etc,
good luck John.

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 Posted: Sun Sep 28th, 2008 06:54 pm
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Cheers Owen,
                  Its my first complete kit-build.I've converted a couple of Halls into Saints,but never attempted anything as involved as this before.I've also bought locos on Ebay that were kit-built and added details,but now I'm beginning to appreciate the work that needs to go into making them up!
   So far,so good.

Cheers,John.B.

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 Posted: Sun Sep 28th, 2008 07:08 pm
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Its looking really good Did you solder the whitemetal parts together of did you glue them?

I know most whitemetel kits require miliput as the castings are not exactly precision

The plus is the loco will have a lot of weight so it will have good pulling power and you going to airbruch paint it or use an ordinary paint brush.

cheers Brian.W

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Very good, John. Must be a very satisfying thing to do, assembling your own locomotive. I don't know if it's just me, but even when painted it really does look different from plastic.

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Brian,
       As the worlds' worst solderer,I always use Superglue on whitemetal.I can just about solder a couple of wires together on a good day! I cut my teeth with it building a couple of wagons that turned out well dodgey in terms of appearance,but solid as a rock.

Mike.C.,
        same sort of thing with the painting,I always use brushes,cos its what I'm used to.I do posess an airbrush,but it very rarely sees the light of day.
        When I did a conversion from a Hall to a Saint,I tried to use  some of those Phoenix precision paints from a can,and found my lack of control to be legendary!!!
         I also think that in N gauge a spray,either from a can or an airbrush tends to block in corners and detracts from the detail on the final model.That was the main problem with my other mogul that I bought on Ebay.Whoever built her had simply got too much paint on! The brush enables you to spread the paint around evenly and even take some paint off,so for me,anyway,I think I can control the paint with a brush better.I like to build up layers,fine sand them,and then more layers,until I think its done.

Cheers,John.B.

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Update on 4358;The tender has now been wired up to the extra 6 wheels and the top glued on now ready for connecting up to the loco to give 12 wheel electrical pickup,and hopefully,reliable stall-free running.
   The gap under the boiler has been bridged with milliput (lovely stuff!)to hide that huge brass worm that was irritating the hell out of me.Another quick slap of paint,and shes ready for the next step.





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looks good so far John, you just have to show it running.
great feelling when you can say "i built it "

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Mate, that is some effort and looking good too.
I'm tempted but not that tempted... however, it's good to know that once my layout is finished the hobby could keep me occupied with scratch/kit building loco's!!!!!
Looking forward to seeing her easing out of Haysbridge with a rake of wagons.
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       Nothing so common as dirty wagons.....I've got some nice Edwardian coaches for her to pull for you on her debut!!!

Cheers,John.B.

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Right folks,
             Here's the latest update on 4358.After a bit of testing and tuning,the body was again removed to fit handrails and a new smokebox door handle made from two handrail knobs.The slightly exagerated smoke box door latch was also ground down to more realistic proportions,and a slice was taken from the top of the cab which was level with the bottom,but shouldn't be!!???
   Confused?.....I'll post some diagrams later to explain.For now,here's some piccys;









Lots more detailing to add to both the loco & tender,crew to add,transferring and number plates.So,onwards and upwards...
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You are making some serious progress there John with the size of it you must have to be exttemely carefull not to drop any of the detail parts otherwise you would never find them

cheers brian

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Amazing the difference a few tiny parts can make - really coming together now John.

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Here's the latest on 4358.Apologies yet again for the picture quality,but when she's finished,I'm going to get my kids'friend Beza to do a photoshoot with her camera,and she's a really good photographer.So some good shots will be forthcoming.
 








The tender wiring was abandoned,as the open nature of the cab didn't lend itself to my untidy efforts to add tender pickups!!! Also,I have a loco crew to squeeze in on the footplate,and great big lumps of wiring don't look pretty OR prototypical!
  The castings for the lubricating apparatus were slung in favour of home-made ones from plasticard.The portholes in the cab above the firebox were trimmed with brass from tiny coupling springs wound tightly round a drill bit until they were the correct diameter.
  the parallel reversing gear was way too thick,and a custom-built thin one will appear.The centre splasher on the driver side was extended as per prototype with plasticard,and transfers and numbering has been done.Also some fire-irons have been thrown on top of the real Didcot coal in the tender.
  Jobs that remain;
      Whistle fitting
      Crew on footplate
      Parallel reversing gear
      Coupling on front of loco.

Cheers for now,John.B.:thumbs

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not bad for a midget kettle:thumbs

it is very hard to work out the size of the loco N GAUGE, if i was doing this in 00 i would be well chuffed with myself:doublethumb

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Good eyes and a steady delicate touch, Im guessing yo have both these, very impressive !!

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that is a nice looking loco,looking forward tothe finished job.

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Thanks for the kind words,lads.I do actually struggle with my eyesight,and if it weren't for my optivisor,I couldn't even attempt ANY modelling in this gauge,let alone building a loco.I've noticed my reading glasses don't seem to be doing the biz for me as well as they used to,so I think an eye-test and some upgraded specs may well soon be on the cards!!!
  Its either that or maybe try eating LOTS of carrots!?:mutley

Cheers,John.B.

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georgejacksongenius wrote: The portholes in the cab above the firebox were trimmed with brass from tiny coupling springs wound tightly round a drill bit until they were the correct diameter.

No way man, I'd go mad just trying to get the little s***ers to sit in place in the porthole, let alone make up my own. They must be no bigger than the end of the tweezers!!?
Looking forward to some better quality photo John.B
Keep 'em coming.



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Marty,
       I didn't tell you how many little springs went PING across the table into dark oblivion never to be seen again!!
(Nor how many choice Anglo-Saxon phrases were uttered between clenched teeth,either!):twisted::twisted::lol::lol::lol:
       Lucky I had a good supply of springs that I saved from changing couplings!!!;-)

Cheers,John.B.

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