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 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 11:36 am
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Having acquired a Pullman coach from ChrisT, I am planning to run a Pullman train.

My preiod is late steam / early diesel and the area is Yorkshire / Lancashire so mainly Eastern region.

The index has an excellent listing of train formations from the various companies / eras but not specifically for Pullmans.

Would Pullman trains be the same formation as other express trains or were they special ?



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 Posted: Mon Sep 15th, 2008 11:46 am
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Petermac - as you have acquired "a" Pullman coach (in the singular) dosn't it sort of limit your options. :mutley

I strongly suspect they ran with a brake at the front, a brake at the end and a whole variety of parlour cars in between with the kitchen car in the middle.  You've got a few to go at as well e.g. Yorkshire Pullman, Tyne/Tees Pullman and Queen of Scots all passed through Yorkshire.:thumbs

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Les is right Petermac,just normal formation and again plenty to go at for yorkshire
but when you are up and running make Les travel in the guards van.!!
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they did run mixed rake coaches so it is possible to have a single pullman in a rake.

That could be the single first class and all of us PLEBS can go in the rest of the coaches

cheers Brian.W

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Thanks guys.  I hadn't planned on naming the train - I just like the look of the single Pullman coach I've got so thought I'd add to it.  You reckon they had 2 brakes ?

HP - mine will be "all Pullman" i.e. plebs not allowed !!!!

I do remember seeing the old Pullman trains you mentioned Les in York station as a "lad".  Sort of fore-lock tugging with the special steps that were put down on the platform and the liveried attendant standing at each door.  Wonderful stuff !

Now I'll have to look out for an A4 or something equally impressive. :hmm

 



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owen69 wrote:  when you are up and running make Les travel in the guards van.!!
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I'd be very happy with that Owen. Don't forget, third class riding is better than first class walking.:thumbs

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Petermac wrote:  You reckon they had 2 brakes ?



I reckon so Petermac. I guess they just made train "sets" with them if they were all Pullman. For instance the down Yorkshire Pullman arrived into Leeds Central which was a terminus of course so they would just need to put another loco on the other end (usually a Farnley shed A2 or even A4) to form the up Pullman erego a brake/parlour car at each end.;-)

Chris - Commission please.:cool wink

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Sorry for A2 read A1:oops:

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Peter,

Have a look at some of the formations on this website - they give a pretty good idea of various named trains

http://www.trainformations.co.uk/

In particular LNER Pullman trains: -

http://www.trainformations.co.uk/LNER/LNER_Express_1.php

but other regions as well.

 

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Thanks Chris - that's the site I looked at via the Index.  At first, I didn't go far enough into it so missed the Pullman bits - something else cropped up !!

I found a few N.E. Pullmans listed there - Master Cutler, Tyne Tees and Queen of the Scots so I'm working out a roster - don't suppose you've got any more cosmetically "blemished" ones ? :lol::lol: :roll::roll:



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Using the Index eh Petermac, good man, extra brownie points for you.



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Hi Petermac, the Pullmans could run in shorter formations as I understand the White Rose Pullman was split at Leeds for a portion to Harrogate, which would have one brake, and 3-4 pullman cars, and the other half of similar make up for Bradford. They would then be reunited at Leeds for the run back to London. It's a move I'm trying to recreate on my layout. I've also seen videos and photos of other, non Pullman stock, attached to East Coast Pullman trains eg Mk 1 full brakes in shortened Pullman rakes instead of the slab sided Pullmans when they were withdrawn (apparently no Mk 1 Pullman brakes were ever made), as well as Pullmans mixed with other stock on empty coaching stock workings. Hope this helps.



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Thanks for that info Mojo.  The White Rose Pullman didn't come up on the site so it's make-up does give me some leeway.

What I didn't know was that most of the NE Pullman trains were heavily into kitchen cars.  The average train would have, as Les said, a brake at each end, then only a couple of parlour cars - a first and a second, the rest of the train was kitchen cars.  That maybe explains why Hornby do several versions of kitchen cars and only a couple or so of parlour cars.   Afterall , if you could afford to go Pullman, you could afford to dine well !!  Apparently, Pullman was a £3 supplement over the normal First Class fare.

I'm hoping that my train will be the pre Mk 1 "real" Pullman cars - I love the luxury of them and they're the ones that so impressed me as a youngster.   The "slab-sided" ones may be good inside but outside, other than the colour, they just looked like any other carriage.  When they started to replace "my" coaches, I lost a bit of interest and started to look at engines !! :roll:



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Petermac wrote: When they started to replace "my" coaches, I lost a bit of interest and started to look at engines !! :roll:


It was girls with me Petermac. :mutley

Mind you I'm back to engines again now.  :Happy

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Les wrote: Petermac wrote: When they started to replace "my" coaches, I lost a bit of interest and started to look at engines !! :roll:


It was girls with me Petermac. :mutley

Mind you I'm back to engines again now.  :Happy

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I was only 10 at the time Les !!!!!!!



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You must have started late then :mutley:mutley:mutley



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i started at seven,whenever that was?!!
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The April 2008 Model Rail mag was a pullman themed edition with lots of info on stock,formations,etc.;-)

 

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Thanks Dave - I'll see if I can get a copy. ;-)



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