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Greetings from Bristol Wisconsin:

The operational track layout is a “U” shape “out-and-back” modified with two return loops located off the scenic portion of the layout (additionally there is a continuous loop for testing & break-in running).  This plan may be altered in the future depending on possible expansion to include another fiddle yard.



Track plan showing basic layout and power block.  Section #8 is the west end of the layout.

The layout is in the basement of my home and is approximately 16 X 24 feet contain in a partition room area.  There are two levels which were designed to accommodate photographic requirements, one scene back-drops another in overall views.

I have been greatly influence by John Allan’s (a famous US modeler) Gorre & Daphetid RR which was designed not only for operation, but also for photography.
 



Gorre & Daphetid, HO Scale 1/87th

It is my impression on comparing modeling styles that UK modelers choose to be more influenced by historical representation (accurate depiction) of scenes then U.S. modelers.

One of the things that I admire about so many of the UK modelers is the focus on track as a major modeling element.  The overall tendency in the USA is to focus firstly on operation…which usually creates a need for a lot more track. More track will mean in most instances that the track gets less attention as a model element. 





 Looking to the west end of the layout room. In the foreground will be the MPD.  I have been moving the turntable around from one place to another for the last year.  After developing a good operation plan I have finally be able to place the turntable in it's resting place...but not as pictured here.




View to the west end, the goods tranfer shed in the foreground is now replaced by part of the MPD facility.
 



Far west end of layout. In the upper left corner you can see the two tracks going to the fiddle yard and to their right the track cuts off to the return loop. 


 
The Mark I concept for the station design.


Hornby Skaledale out-of-the box models.
 

 
Pull back view of the Mark I concept design. The track on the right climbs up from the other side of the layout.  This will be covered by a section that will fit over the top with a scenic treatment.



Made this photo to see how the elements would stack up in B&W.  



Layout of Mark II concept.  Removed the Hornby Skaledale models and incorporated more urban looking builings as back-drop.



Buildings along back-side of layout with a mirrow at the end to add depth to the scene.




 



The buildings were built by my Dad twenty-five years ago for a diorama.

They are scratch built in H.O. scale (1:87) of printed paper and balsa wood. They are exact representation of buildings in Galena; Illinois were I once had a home.  Galena had its boom in the 1850’s as the lead mining capital of the US and the home of General U.S. Grant.




Mark II concept....the urban street scene with buildings from my Father's collection.





33006 Class Q1, work-horse of the branch.

Parting Shot - Our new additon!



My daughter Samantha with the latest addition to our horse family "Rio G" a miniature (what scale ?). 

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Larry, thanks for the photos - you have plenty of work to do then - won't have for horsing around:roll:

 

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What a great layout you are building the track plan allows us to relate to the photos

You are right many uk modellers place representation over operations i would say operation systems like you token or card systems are used by a minority in this country. In fact some high profile modellers dont even care much for running trains even they just like building accurate layouts.

to me i like running trains so im a big kid really

I love how you have used your fathers buildings he has made and it certainly gives it the urban high street feel all you need is a few British advertising or shop front names and it will look like many British high streets.

If you need any local ideas about british towns landscapes or things you would find here now or the era you are modelling just ask amonst us from memory an knowledge we can help you there. I know if i were doing an American layout i would find it difficult to design a layout without local knowledge.

Are you dc or dcc Larry?

Lovely little horse my Izabel loved it

cheers Brian.W

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Larry,nice pics,like the idea of a mirror to add depth only seen it once before ,
very effective,i will be following you layout with interest.:cheers
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Great pics Larry and a wonderful space you have there that will keep you going for a good few years.

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A very promising layout in a cracking space, Larry. I guess most of us UK residents long for the larger accomodation you guys have.

I'm looking foward to watching it develop and as HP says, we will be very willing to supply any "local knowledge" you are short of.

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Excellent layout Larry and one to watch. :thumbs

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Greetings from Wisconsin:

 

Thanks for your comments.  As I previously stated I view this layout as a work-in-progress.  I am not sure that in the end what I have now will be the final out-come. 

 

I must admit that I do like to operate and since the entire track in fully functional I sometimes get distracted for weeks just running trains. 

 

The layout is truly therapy for me, either building or operating give me a lift and transports me from the days problems.

 

In developing my urban scene I will certainly need some help from fellow form members…I have already gain some important insights from viewing others work.  

 

The internet is without doubt an important tool for the long distance modeler.  I don’t think that I would have ever started down the road of UK modeling had this tool not been around.

 

The layout is conventional DC, mainly because as a solo operator I can only operate one train at a time.  My home location is such that the opportunity to have others join me is unlikely.

 

Regarding the use of mirrors, this is a technique I used on a previous layout with some success, and will document any installations to the layout for review. 

 

Posted below are two pictures to the 800X600 format.

 



Collect performs goods and passenger service on my Wells Branch.



33006 waiting to be fired.

 

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Hooray for the new forum. 800 x 600 pictures look great and we can all enjoy them now without the previous hassle.

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these are actually 800 x 329

good for loco shots

but you are right bob 800 wide is fine in this forum software

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What a cracking layout loved all the pictures ! Looking forward to seeing more developments, If you need any prototype pics speak up, I can do northen England Suburbs and countryside if thats what you need for inspiration.

Another thing I have noticed between US and UK models is that US modelers use the vertiacl space much more than we do which I like, I think t was browsing US layouts that inspired me to paint my sky line right over the shed ceiling !

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Great layout and space Larry.
I'm trying to combine both the UK attention to prototype and the american attention to operations, hoping it will give me the best of both worlds.... one day.
Thanks for showing us, certainly a layout to keep an eye on.
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HI Larry! Liked your pictures and your layout, wish I had that much room to build!
I am from Florida (and Michigan) so I can relate to what you are thinking. Keep the pictures coming and if I can help any, just holler!

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Greetings to all, and thanks for you comments:

Preparing to work on the area of the layout that will back-stop the MPD.  Have chosen several buildings that will be use to create atmosphere.  As I begin I will make photos of the work in progress.


Cold storage warehouse....



Cold storage warehouse and generic factory...

When in comes to UK modeller's I must say that Frank Dwyer's Borchester Marktet; Peter Denny's Buckingham and Jack Ray's Crechester for me combined both prototype operation in a very belivable settings.

I appreciate the offer from fellow form members to help me Britainize's my scenes.  I wish now that back in the 1970's when I made frequent visits to the UK to attend vintage car events I would have made more pictures the town-scapes (obsessed then with Bentleys - and any British motorcycle built before WWII).

South Shore Line

I was especially interested in hearing from Wayne, and then viewing his layout.

It was my privilege to have been sponsored by Sam Insull, Jr. into the Bentley Owners Club group here in the USA.  Spent many an evening at the "Red Star Inn" in Chicago having a pint and listing to the history of the Midland Electric Company...and the Chicago Milwaukee and North Shore Line...this along with details of the great South Shore Line.  



Little Joe coming out of Gary, Indiana



Little Joe takes the siding for the Chicago bound passenger train.



O-Scale model of the South Bend bound train from Michigan City (built from Russ Briggs brass etch kits).



The 4X5 inch Ektachrome film from which the B&W print was originally made.  I built a small diorama for the purpose of making photos of North Shore Line; South Shore Line and the Aroura & Elgin models.

Hope you all don't mind the side trip down the Insull lines.

Regards,

 



 


 


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I enjoyed every bit of it, Larry!

Your layout will be a beauty too. Kadee couplings and magnet noted. Fun to use, aren't they?

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Are the buildings you are using the large concrete industrial one and the windowed brick one next to it bought kits? they are extremely good and perfect for an industrial railway scene.

I think you could use those on any geographical layout as they are good perhaps one could add a few local extra details to localise them if needed.

The south shore line photos were great to see thanks

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Greetings from the milking barn:

The factory is an old issue Kibri kit and the cold storage a kit-bashed Walthers kit....



This building is a Walthers kit, built as per instructions...needs to have a British Railway sign replace the Railway Express sign.

I like these kits and have several on the shelves with kit-bashing projects in mind for the layout.  I've never mastered rural scene modelling...urban modeling is a good solution for me. 

I compliment the "Webmaster" on a site that seems to be near perfection.  The change in the background color from green to buff has made navigation for "us old folks" very easy. 

The home page is excellent and posting to the site hs been made very simple for those of us who are not "Tech-no's"....thanks.

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What a great thread you have created here, Larry!  A good combination of photos and ideas.  I'm going to enjoy following your layout with interest :thumbs

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Larry,
Thanks for the heads up on this thread. I will be keeping an I on it in the future now. I rode the "South Shore" to Chicago (from South Bend, Indiana) on my way to the Navy. Guess it will always be something special for me. That's why, when I decide to get into this hobby, I picked the South Shore. Plus it ran about 300 yards, behind my home where I grew up. Always used to go back there and watch it go by.
I won't be setting up my layout as the Electric South Shore, not sure I could do the wire bit. So it will be diesel for now anyway.
I like what you have done, wish I had something to show you!

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Hi Larry

Great space and an even better layout, I know the bigger the layout the more time it takes but see your layout and the area that it takes up is fantastic, we all long to be able to have trains as long as you can, and the track plan, is very good.

I have seen Walthers buildings before and often thought about trying them, are they hard to build, because they always look good finished, and the larger warehouse kit looks very good.

Looking forward to seeing more of the layout as it grows.

I have not shown my family the image of your pony as I would not get onto this forum again, they would be looking at every thread trying to find more pony's.

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I like that building Larry, I think I'm going to have to browse the Walthers site!
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Greetings from Bristol (Wisconsin):

Checking to see if I rememeber how to add to form.

More to come soon...

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One last test for me to see if I rememeber how to post photos...



My local shuttle set for the Wells - Glastonbury run.

More to come tomorrow...

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Very nice picture what software do you use to edit/add the smoke

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like the pic, now you can do it Larry more of the same please.

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How did i miss this thread, just caught up Larry and its a great thread you have done, easy to follow and everthing. I shall watch this with keen interest.

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Greetings from Bristol (Wisconsin-USA):

Must have had a lapse of memory last night as when I went to up-load to my thread the material disappeared.  Consequently the previous entries were for the purpose of testing me.

My absence the last couple of weeks have been due to the current economic situation here in the United States.  The lack of understanding of our elected officials is dumbfounding.  We seem to be asking the same people who created this problem to solve it! Well enough of that.


A particular hello to John-RJR; Owen69 and Phil.

I am currently working in Photo Studio 5.5 which may be a free software program that can be down-loaded from the Internet.  I received mine with my Cannon camera.  Although, the photos that are appearing to this point have been made with Sony “Cyber-shot 2.0” a relatively simple digital camera.  
 

These two pictures were the first I made with this camera and the first that I work on in Photo Studio 5.5.  I do have Adobe InDesgin but have yet to figure out how to use it, that along with an old version of Photo Shop that for is quite difficult to navigate a picture to a desired finish.




My focus at this time will turn to working on the MPD that services my Tilbee Road station.  Locomotives arrive at the station and drop their carriages which will be back out by a station shunter.  By a series of three moves the Locomotive moves to the turntable and then two more moves puts in front of the engine shed.  

Since I missed the opportunity to make the photos of the real scenes when steam prevailed I will use this layout to create representations of that era (within my limited skill level). 

 

The shed is made from connecting two Walthers kits together.  Although it does not depict typical British shed architecture I will accept its weakness at this phase in development to get this part of the layout looking like something other then a plywood dinosaur.


The large grey building is from a Walthers brewery kit built as per instructions and the other is an old Kibri building that’s been kicking around for years (this has weathered itself).



I think that the shed is acceptable and has a nice wall for backing up loco shoots.

I have chosen to use large industrial buildings to back drop the MPD scene.  These need to be weathered and British steam era signage needs to replace American names and logos.  



This is a picture from a Walthers kit ad.  These kits are good value and provide an excellent set of mouldings.  As the cost of sheet material is high and the time it takes to layer over layer this is a good jump start if you can accept ready made walls.



Newly arrived here in the colonies is a shipment of vehicles form the U.K.   These I have just set-up to see how they will look.  Base-Toys and Classix are the manufacturer, and I think they will look with a little weathering.



"Your Model Railway" form has been very helpful to me as a long distance modeller.  Looking at "Members Personal Layouts" has already help me formulate solutions to my layout problems.  I look forward to future posts by members and hope that in the future I can offer some ideas that will be beneficial to others here. 

Warmest regards,

 

 

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Larry, is the steam what you have done in the photo software? Or is it something else? Do you have an un-retouched photo to compare?

The cars look great, but that looks like an awful lot weathering to do.

Wayne

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Larry some great photos of your layout your are certainly making progress

I love that Walthers engine shed i dont think it looks out of place there were a great deal of variations on engine shed design the trouble is we always tend to look at what manufacturers produce and assume they all look like that but the reality was and is they varied greatly i would be very happy with that on my layout.

Keep the good work up

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Hi Wayne & BrianW. :

Here are some before and after photos...



Added a steam and a little smoke to the Pannier.




 

Original photo...
   

Sky cloned and smudge...



Smoke and steam layer added...



Crop out foreground... lower contrast of mid-tones slightly....

 

Conversion to B&W....



With foreground subject the loco shed becomes less of an architectural element, added building and loco in backgroud to create effect I seeking.

Regards,



 

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Larry,those pics look great,as for the town bldings,the high street of
the town i live in looked just like that,till the developers got their
hands on it.
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Hi Larry like the look of your layout especialy the buildings. Just one thing I can't work out if you are modeling UK or USA. In one of your pics the cars are on the wrong side of the road! Keep up the good work.:thumbs

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Thanks for the traffic tip...got to get those dirvers on the left side of the street!

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In one of your pics the cars are on the wrong side of the road!

Dave, I think you might have a computer problem, they look fine on my screen! :pathead :pathead :pathead

Wayne :thumbs

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The cars on the wrong side of the road is something that many non uk residents would get wrong there are only a few countrys in the world that drive on the left hand side,

#A very nice collection of cars an buses you have there Larry. Its shows im getting old i can actually remember seeing a lot of those cars in fact my dad a a brand new Ford cortina Mk1

Larry i bet you are looking forward to ballasting the layout:lol::lol::lol:

cheers Brian.W

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Trying driving a bus all day Brian and you see many older drivers tend to drive ob the wrong side of the road :shock::lol::lol:

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and i always thought it was the old bus drivers,ah well.
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Larry - there's some brilliant photos there and the layout is moving along at a cracking pace.

Don't worry about the cars being on the wrong side - I think Classix do a 3 car Police set - just buy it and book the lot of them !!

The buildings look very impressive too - change the signs for UK signs and you'd hardly know they were American prototypes !!  I'd love some of those large factories on my layout - may have to browse the Walther catalogue myself. :roll::roll:

What I'd really like you to explain is exactly HOW you do the photo editing stuff. :hmm 

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Don't worry about the cars being on the wrong side - I think Classix do a 3 car Police set - just buy it and book the lot of them !!

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My focus now turns to working on the MPD area and the tracks leading around the back.  These tracks lead to the station platforms and are indicated in yellow.  The MPD lead, service and storage tracks are blue-green.

 



If you compare this drawing with the one at the beginning of this thread you can see the orientation of the MPD.  These drawings are representational and not exact scale to actual dimensions.

As stated previously this area will be used to stage photos of my locomotives and the industrial buildings along the backside of the two lead tracks will act as back-drops. 

 
Ground level view of the tracks leading around the loco shed to the lead to the station platfroms.



The Walthers kit-bashed cold storage warehouse and another Walthers out-of-the-box kit.



Made this photo to see how they would look in B&W.



Another picture to see how the buildings can connect. 



Here I've set the collect in place to see how the buildings in the back ground would line up in a photo and if there is enough color separation.  I can tell that the this back scene area will take a lot of fiddling to get the look I want.



When I was thirteen years old my Dad brought home a copy of Model Railroader magazine and started me on my interest in HO scale modeling and I still have that magazine today.

The cartoon above appeared in that issue and is still relevant!

Until next time...regards, 

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I just love the look of those buildings! The B&W pic looks so relistic.;-)

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Great piccys Larry those walthers buildings are really great.

The old cartoon is very good it is probably as true today as it was back when it was published.

cheers Brian.W

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Greetings from Wisconsin & Wells Branch SDJR-USA:

 

Well…got the cars and buses on the right side (left) of the street.  No longer will passengers alighting from the buses have to step into oncoming traffic.

 



 



Yes, I have owned right-hand drive cars....

My Bentley YP8041 pictured at my parents home outside of Chicago in 1965.  The model is a 3-litre “Red Label” Van den Plas short chassis speedster. That’s me at the age of 24 in the middle with the fuzzy coat.  Had a long time love affair with vintage British cars (and a few French ones).

Moving on to the MPD scene on my layout this week.  Track has been lightly affixed to this point, will permanently fasten and paint it in the next few weeks.

Still playing around with the back scene buildings, looking for the best arrangements viewed from four different angles.  

Regards to all, 

 


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Larry will you be glueing the track in place? And will the tracks be embedded at all, say in asphalt or concrete? I need to do something similar and if you're planning to do that I'd like to see how you go about it, because I've never tackled it before.

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Greetings from Bristol (Wisconsin) & Wells Branch SDJR-USA:

 

Today is the first chance that I have had to get back to layout in over a month plus, global economy issues predominating over railway developments.

 

Later today I hope to post new developments.

 



 

Collect in front of new arrangement of back-drop buildings.  Later today I hope to post more developments.

 

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Welcome back Larry, that back drop looks terrific.
Is that a Walthers kit with the huge arched windows?

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Greetings again from Bristol (Wisconsin USA):

Taking a second look at the corner I’ve been working on, I found that the area was not quite what I was looking for.  

 



One of my favorite buildings is the long warehouse with loading dock, it offers an excellent back-drop for locomotive pictures.

 



This is a Walthers freight house (goods) building splicing the back wall to the front to create a longer facade.  I am using the same building for my goods yard at the station.

 



I like the canyon effect the bigger buildings offer, test photo to see how the approach might look from track level with these building across from the engine shed.

 



Two very old buildings that my dad built thirty years ago from plans he drafted on site. These buildings were built about 1830-1840 and are still in use today in Galena, Illinois.  I have moved the grey brewery to the front of this group.

 



This would be the view from the station towards the MPD area.  I like the shape these buildings take on in this corner. 

 

The brewery (Walthers kit) will be the corner stone for this area.  I will be experimenting with other structures and making photos with locos in front to determine if I can capture the look I am after.

 

Oh yes, that track is still not painted or ballasted.

 

Best regards to all,

 

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those buildings are certainly impressive, i do like the long one a great backdrop.

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Larry the buildings are very impressive we dont seem to see buildings like that here in the UK which easily fit in with a Uk layout

I presume somebody imports these kits here but probably will be far more expensive than you pay for them in the US.

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Carrying on from Brain's question, as I love the long warehouse do you know of a retailer that sells all the Walthers kits, and also would send them over to the UK, as the warehouse and a couple of others that I have seen are just what I am looking for as the buildings on our new HO project.

I might have missed this in an earlier post but you look as if you have a large room in which you are building the layout, which gives you the space that makes your photo's look real, mostly the black & white ones, but the layout is really coming on.

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Alan, re your question about obtaining Walther's Kits- get them direct .   http://www.walthers.com

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Walthers themselves will ship to the UK Alan. This link gives you their shipping charges.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/shopinfo/custserv@walthers.com

And this one starts the building kits.

http://www.walthers.com/exec/search?quick=building+kits&quicksrch_butt.x=30&quicksrch_butt.y=5

 
There are 2,499 of them.

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They look very reasonably priced but i bet you get mugged for VAT when the postman brings it so you need to expect to pay for that if you order any.

You used to able to order anything up till about 2002-3 and Vat did not even crop up but somebody obviously realised at customs and excise they were missing out on dosh with the internet sales.

It is a long time since i ordered abroad but i seem to remember there was another charge aswell as vat the postman charged you has anyone ordered abroad recently to know if its only vat you pay or is there another charge?

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i have only orderd from china but never been charged as yet, am waiting for some more goods so will let you know.

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I really sorry that I have to ask this question, but I have been looking at the Walthers site for a very long time without being able to find the LONG WHAREHOUSE, can you please give me the item number, so that I can order it from them.

Many thanks in advance

 

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Greetings from Bristol (Wisconsin) & Wells Branch SDJR-USA:

 

Thanks Owen69; MickC; Brian (henryparrot); Alan & Pete; Ron (Sol) and Bob for you posts.

 



Shifting elements of the landscape again, alternative plan number 3.



Dropping in another  building, alternative plan 4.



Plan 1 with Plan 3 elements plus small industrial building linking factory to warehouse.  I think that I am getting there!

Regarding Walthers products, check out E-Bay as there are regular sellers offering these kits at discounted prices.  As stated before, these kits make an excellent source for ready made walls and windows.  

Well back to moving things around!

 



 

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great building or I should say beautiful buildings !

As for VAT on imports it depends if you get unlucky ! I buy quite a bit from the US and have only had a demand for VAT once, having said that the parcel was all books so there is no VAT which customs and excise accepted when I explained.

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Plan 3 gets my vote.....it just 'looks right'.Great set of buildings,and don't look out of place with British stock!

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Plan 4 for me, it just looks so real.

Thanks for the tip regarding E-Bay, but if you do have the item number it might help if I have to purchase from Walthers.

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I actually prefer plan 3 as it tends to give  more of an impression of depth Larry

At the end of the day it is what you prefer really

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Greetings from Bristol (Wisconsin) & Wells Branch SDJR-USA:

 

Thanks for all your thoughts on my landscape...hear is another view from ground level by engine shed in my favorite medium B&W.  



I think its time to get on to the track work and give this a rest.



Here my Walther's "RJ Frost Ice & Storage" kit...



This is how the building looks when built to plans.  Splicing the back wall to the front gives a nice length to the building.  The back side is open on my model.

This kit is currently available on E-Bay as a "Buy-it-Now" listing for $24..99 from Scalestructes.  I have purchased several kits from them and they are excellent to do business with.  I would strongly urge E-Bay searchers for Walthers items.

 

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Hi Larry

Sorry I got confused, and checked the UK E-Bay site, I will go to the US site and look around. But you layout is really looking good I know that I have said this before, but the amount of REAL space that you are making is just brilliant, and all these Walthers buildings that you are adding, when photographed in B/W come to life.

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I was introduced to photography when I was about seven years old.  Color film was to expensive and my dad had a darkroom set-up for black & white printing...so B&W was the way I saw the world as I grew up.

My favorite railway books depict most scenes in b&W...and I see my layout as a black & white world.  Thanks to digtal photography we can have it both ways.



 

 

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Greetings from Bristol (Wisconsin USA):

 Have been away from the Wells Branch for almost a month participating in the global economic melt-down.  On returning to the layout room I began my favorite pastime of juggling the background buildings behind the MPD area. 

 

 


Latest view with new building added, loco shed to the right.

 View from above....
New building in place...
 
 
Ground level view with new building and low profile building set in.  

 

Behind the scenes...
 
I run hot and cold on this whole set-up, it seems to look better in pictures then when I am standing in front of it.   There are a lot of colors and shapes and I don't know if my eye can live with that view permanently.  I know that one solution would be to go back and weather all the buildings with a wash to try to bring the closer together in tone range.  But...I like the individuality of the building which is due in part to the color differences.
 
Will be working on an alternative idea tonight and hope to post some more pictures tomorrow.
 

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I know what you mean Larry - the photos look very different from the "real" behind the scenes shot !!!  The photos give the impression of having far more space and a much more gentle curve.

Have you tried moving the building slightly away from the apex of the curve (towards the top left of the "behind the scenes" shot) ?

I do love the buildings 'though - they look so looonnnggg !!!!  Also, you seem to have a fairly hefty loco stud :roll::roll:

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Those Walthers buildings are really great

I agree a bit of weathering would blend the building colours better.

Your engine shed in your picture is that another Walthers kit it looks really smart?

cheers Brian

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It looks as if we have both fallen for the Walthers Buildings, they seem to have so much character in them.

Larry

Each set-up looks good to me, But I do like this one, I think it is all the different heights of those buildings, just looks real to me.


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and blend better.

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I like that last black and white shot too. I think that using that set up and giving them all a wash with a thin very dark grey wethering coat would be superb.

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Just caught up on this thread and :wow what a layout its fantastic mate, love all those buildings, especially love this pic,



So real looking brilliant i think is the word i will use but its more than that.

Also  is that a 08 shunter on page 3 below your track plan, just love those mate, :thumbs

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Back at it again….buildings on the move!

The arrival of an E-Bay auction building has set things in motion again. I believe it is a Walthers based kit-bash plus some parts from another building kit.  This was a very reasonably priced item, costing little more then an un-built kit.  Often there are excellent opportunities to pick up great buys on off bidding days and times.



New addition to my industries.


My current dissatisfaction with the MPD area back-drop prompted me to try something a completely different with these buildings.


One of may favorite buildings now can be seen.


General view down the track.


Shunting the industries. 


The 08 stands by....love the brutish look of these.

Will let this sit for a day or so, make some pictures and see if I still like it.

Have another approach for the MPD back-drop in my mind and after the New Year will give that a try. 

 

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Quick retouch (rough) to get the mood of the area.

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Well Larry, here we go again :exclam:exclam :mutley:mutley:mutley

Arranging buildings, it's becoming a hobby in it's own right :thumbs:thumbs

One thing is certain, your perseverence will result in a good looking scene by the time it's done.

Love the new purchase, I just wish UK outline buildings were as good   ...   now if you can fit it into the black & white scene we all love, You'll have a sure-fire winner :exclam:exclam

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Your right Jeff...I've found a new hobby within the hobby. I hope I will eventually be able to give of this chess board game of moving buildings and get back to core modeling and operation.



Here my B&W vision of the new setting. 

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Greetings from Bristol (Wisconsin) & Wells Branch SDJR-USA:

My terminus, 
          Tilbee Hill Station is in the works…
                                          as is my entire layout.


Regarding history, my depiction is of Wells in the late 1950’s period (British Railway) is of a somewhat glorious station, with a thriving metropolis depicted by the city street and building facades above the terminus.

Priory Road is no longer S&D’s main facility, being replaced by Tilbee Hill Station.   Connection to the old station and the main line of the old GWR is by passage on Track 1 under the city main street.

Scheduling accommodates locals to and from Tilbee Hill to Glastonbury for connections to Evercreech Junction and Highbridge; direct train service to Highbridge; Yatton and Witham (old GWR operations); along with once a day round trip service to Templecombe.  This does not include specials and extra trains service.

As operation is my main interest (along with moving the buildings)  there are a lot of possibilities and justification for such a glorious station.

Southern’s architecture offers some interesting modeling possibilities.  I was inspired by the old Hornby stations and acquired several and have created an up-scale version for the layout.  This is in-the-works and the pictures are experimental to give me a sense of what things could look like.



 







I have gained many ideas from the Form, and will employ some of these to solve some of my challenges.

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It looks terrific, Larry. Nice job on what looks like a Ratio footbridge.
  I see that it's very well lit, but with all those marvellous buildings, are you planning on using something like a floodlight for some stronger side-lighting? You'd get some great contrasts.
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    The foot bridge is also an old Hornby product.  Picked up the stations, platforms and bridge on E-Bay from UK sellers.

    The overall lighting is somewhat flat, I like the overcast look that can be achieved with contrast control in Microsoft Picture Manager program. 

    I have a 500 watt Fresnel focusing spot that I intend to combine with the overall light for some clear day early sun and late day sun with strong shadow effects.

 

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Your Hornby Dublo buildings are in fantastic condition bearing in mind they must be 50 years old now i havent worn as well as they have

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Those Hornby Dublo buildings are in very good condition and look the part when laid out on the layout. Are you planning to detail and weather them?  It is something I have considered doing as I reckon they could be made to look very realistic with a bit of work, although Bachmann seems to be producing similar items in their new Scale Scene range. 

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Yes those buildings have survived well considering their age and how many hands may have handle them. I hope they do as well under my management.

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    I have considered the potential for re-painting and super-detailing....and will most likely do that at some point.  It would appear the Bachmann is becoming more aware as has Hornby in the need for ready-made structures.  Hopefully they will take a look at what modelers are doing for their ques. 

   

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Love the station and you say 50 years old blimey, i am no where near that old :roll:, some of the Forum members maybe but myself and i know Jeff as well are nop near yet, so if we look as good as that by the time we reach 50 then i be happy, :thumbs

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From the cover of the June 1940 issue of Model Railroader, could this be a portrait of me!

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Picking up ideas from fellow Forum members has inspired me to try using print-outs for background buildings. Here is my first attempt at such an experiment.


View of the overall background building.


Backing up my industrial district. 

I have this project posted in the "Members Projects" section with a series of pictures.

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=33308&forum_id-52

Will continue with this experiment and post results to that section.

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One more time on that address!

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=3330&forum_id=52

Lets see if I got it!!!

 

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sdjr-usa wrote: One more time on that address!

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=3330&forum_id=52

Lets see if I got it!!!

 

Yes! I finally got it right!!!

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Larry those backdrops you have created have blendid in very well indeed you overcome your problem of the backdrop there in a very economic manner by creating them yourself and they really look in place where you have them.

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Larry, I think you are creating a great layout there, and I am all for freelancing layouts, but, and it is a big but, the buildings you are using (Walthers etc) are out of character for your locos.  In fact they would look better on my layout.:shock:

As far as I can recall S&DJR were quite major players before LMS took them over (happy to be corrected by real historians here ;-)) and if you look at the architecture of the UK at the time, we didn't have the big multistorey buildings they had in the US.

I understand your problems as I am modelling US from the UK, but I think you should reconsider your buildings as they are definately too American.

I love your photography of your layout, and I can just see my Consolodation in one of your wonderful black and white shots.  I am really struggling to see your locos fitting in with the great scenes you are creating.

I am sorry if this seems over critical and I know (only too well) how hard it is to get protypical stuff for your layout, perhaps you should look at the scalescenes stuff and I (and others no doubt) would be happy to forward stuff to you or order direcy from our own Chris (I'm sure he would sort out a discount;-))


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Hi Lawrence:

     Since I am not modelling a specific UK scene (as Wells never progress to an industrial level as depicted by me, when it comes to the architecture), I have opted for a poetic license in my view.    

      My interests lie more in the operation of locomotives and the movement rolling stock of the S&D and its antecedents to a  somewhat factious schedule.

     Many years ago I was a slave to prototype modelling, focused on the Pennsylvania railroad in the 1920's era.  Although I scratch built stock to plans and created authentic scenes, when completed I would loss and seek a new project.   

     This layout has already given me countless hours of fun running trains and experimenting with ideas.  

     I look at the layout and modelling as an escape from the rigid boundaries of daily life's reality.  A place to be able to bend the rules with no consequence to anyone.  

     I think that if the Dali Lama was to take up the hobby this might be his approach.

 

 


 



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sdjr-usa wrote:  focused on the Pennsylvania railroad in the 1920's era. 
 

now I would pay to see that :lol:.

Like I said at the start, I think you are building a great layout Larry and I love your photography too, I just think you need to go for more lo-rise red brick stuff to make it more "believable"

Put it this way, you have buildings on there that I would love, they would look great on my layout,  but they don't quite fit with your rolling stock (Stick an F7A & B in there and you have a winner) and that is my honest opinion.

I have been well schooled by the elders on here about being honest (unlike other forums where they just back slap or slag off if you are not in their clique!), as you said, you have had a load of fun running trains and that is what it is all about after all.  You have also managed to produce one of the most wonderful art deco stations I have seen, quite a beautiful piece.

Hopefully a comment I got on A.N Other forum will help you to understand why my comments are more simple observations than extreme criticisms.  He wrote " I am not familiar with the topography of the East Coast (of the USA), but assume the rock formations are correct for the area."  I'm not a member of that forum any more:roll:

As someone on here once said, "it's my railway, and I'll run what I want" ;-)

A great philosophy I'm sure you'll agree but please get more lo-rise red brick in there :thumbs


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Hi Lawrence:

     I'll be ordering a shipment of that red brick for those smaller structures you spoke of. 

      The B&O had some wonderful looking "ten-wheelers" and light Pacifics.  Back in the 1950's Al-Nation Hobby in Chicago produced an excellent model of the President's personal loco.  Many of those are around here in the US and are prized collector's pieces.

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Happy New Year from Bristol (Wisconsin):

Looking forward to a day of modelling...hopefully.

I am posting a picture from my "Workbench" where experimentation with photo backgrounds are underway.



This is the latest.  These are a lot of fun to make and a great solution to back ground needs. 

Check out my workbench at:

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Larry, the buildings may look more American than British but they are sooo good !!!!  Ignore Lawrence - he just wants you to chuck them his way !!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Re the Hornby station buildings - please, please don't repaint them !!!  They are surely collectors pieces and worth so much more in their original condition.  Maybe not just now but in another 50 years they'll be very sought after.  How many old "toys" have been ruined by modifications - no matter how good the modification, collectors always want "original condition" stuff !!!!

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Petermac, while the idea of the Hornby being worth a lot in 50 years time, will that concern Larry ? It certainly would not bother me what it is worth or what it would get if sold!  To me, the object is to use it now - I have modified all of my locos - especially the older ones by cutting off tension lock couplings & fitting Kadee ;   like-wise with coaches &  wagons - resale value is the least of my concerns & what my estate gets for them - who cares?

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Petermac wrote: Larry, the buildings may look more American than British but they are sooo good !!!!  Ignore Lawrence - he just wants you to chuck them his way !!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Damn and blast you Peter, found out again ;-):lol::lol::lol:

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Lawrence wrote: Petermac wrote: Larry, the buildings may look more American than British but they are sooo good !!!!  Ignore Lawrence - he just wants you to chuck them his way !!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Damn and blast you Peter, found out again ;-):lol::lol::lol:

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I hear what you're saying Ron but I do think modifying locos in the way you do is somewhat different.  There are many, many locos out there - some old, some not so old and I do agree that they're yours so do with them as you please but with the station buildings, they don't have to "run" or pick up power or hook up to other stock so it's not so important to "improve" them.

When I talked about value, I wasn't literally meaning the value to Larry - it was more the value to posterity.  I love old things - for gawds sake, I'm British so you have to love old things because we don't have much that's new !!! :lol::lol:

I just think it would be a shame to deny future generations a sample of our era.  If we "improved" everything, museums would have nothing in them.  I wouldn't dream of using many of the "old fashioned" items but seeing what they used in, for example, 1850, interests me.  How many people look at the old Wrenn or Marklin stuff and say "wow, I remember that" or "how did they manage to make those things work ?".  It just fascinates me - a bit like having Dinky Toys in their original boxes.

Having said that, please don't think I'm one of those guys who has shelves of pristine, unused stuff just for collection.  Mine will all be out on the layout and working hard but I think, if I came across an early tin-plate Hornby loco, I'd probably keep it as it was !!!! 

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Petermac wrote: Larry, the buildings may look more American than British but they are sooo good !!!!  Ignore Lawrence - he just wants you to chuck them his way !!!:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Re the Hornby station buildings - please, please don't repaint them !!!  They are surely collectors pieces and worth so much more in their original condition.  Maybe not just now but in another 50 years they'll be very sought after.  How many old "toys" have been ruined by modifications - no matter how good the modification, collectors always want "original condition" stuff !!!!

     The great thing about free lancing is you can re-write history and put and move things were you would like them to be.  I've got a couple of American locos that will be appearing on the S&D in goods and shunting service.

        I think that I have to agree with you about those Hornby buildings.  They have a character that might be spoiled by restoration.  "Some things are better left alone." 

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What you are talking about regarding value of model railway items really shows the differance between a collector and a railway modeller

The collector basically buys a loco in a box looks at it and puts it back in the box as he or she looks upon it as an investment.

A railway modeller looks upon the loco as a model to use in whatever way you wish

Whats the point if a modeller of not using it to do what you want if you want to hack at it to make something differant or weather or detail it more why not?

Plus i see many people dont fit the extra fittings why not? its pointess the manufacturers including them if you are not going to use them.

My point is most of our layout equipment and rolling stock will not get sold untill we pop our mortal coils.

Then what will happen is one of the dealers will offer about a third of the sale value maybe less and it will end up on Ebay or something else like that

It will only fetch its full value if a relative or close friend is prepared to sell each individual item seperately which in itself takes a great deal of time and that itself incurs costs as you cant sell things for nought.

So enjoy your models they are not shares or PEPs or bonds when  we peg it there will be a few quid for someone why worry how much. 

I recently have had to start organising the disposal of a collection which i am still sorting for the lady that made me realise dont give a monkeys hoot about what its worth they are boys toys enjoy them.

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Basically Brian, we are in agreement !!

I was simply saying that, if the need to repaint / remodel etc. is only slight, then leave well alone.

Whatever you do with the Hornby station in question, it will always be a Hornby station so why alter it ?  If you want something that fits in better with your vision, you can either have fun scratchbuilding one or buy one of the many excellent kits available from the likes of Metcalfe.

Rolling stock is a different beast altogether - extra pick-ups make it run better, changing motors, wheels or couplings etc makes it easier to use on your layout.  There's no way I'd suggest you leave stuff as bought for the sake of it but then nor would I suggest you alter it for the sake of it.  Collectors rightly leave stuff in boxes as new - that's their "thing".   Modellers, as you say, use it how they want to that's their "thing".   Both are right although very different.

As an example, I'm currently looking for a Series 1 Land Rover.  They were built with a 2 litre petrol engine.  Many had a more economical diesel engine fitted by their owners.  If I can find one, it will have to be "as built" - not to look at but to use and use very hard !!  If I wanted a "modified" model, I'd simply use the easier (and maybe cheaper) option of buying a later Series 2 or 3.  I'm certainly not a collector of Land Rovers, I just like the Series 1.  If I wanted a Hornby station, I'd want it as it was built otherwise I'd buy something else. :thumbs

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sdjr-usa wrote:  I've got a couple of American locos that will be appearing on the S&D in goods and shunting service.


Come on Larry lets have some piccies then, even the FC has gone American now so it is quite safe :lol:

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Greetings to all:

What makes this forum so good is the diversity of interests and ideas...and the modelling results they produce.

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Here's the latest back-ground flat created for my terminus area. 



I do like what can be done in a short time with this technique.  I have some further ideas on the drawing board and will be in production before the week is out.

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Larry, the warehouse photo you have been using is very simular (though not exactly the same) as the one on our club's Belle View layout. I was recently suggested that it would be good to re-model it as a low relief building and include some extra detail.

I have been unable to find the original photo that the print was taken from, so I wondered if you could give me a link, or send a pdf copy of the one you are using for me to work on. I thought of doing something simular to Doug's recent exercise and making a low relief card model. PM me if you need an email address and I'll send it to you.

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Lawrence wrote: Larry, I think you are creating a great layout there, and I am all for freelancing layouts, but, and it is a big but, the buildings you are using (Walthers etc) are out of character for your locos.  In fact they would look better on my layout.:shock:


 

Sorry I didn t get to this earlier but I think if you refer to some photos of cities in that time period you will find some inspiration from the sorce I was inspired from

http://www.pbase.com/beppuu/pnicklin Although she photograped a city a little North

 

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Wow William !!  What a fantastic collection of photographs in that link !!!

They are an amazing record of parts of Birmingham in the bleak post-war period.  Even in the 60's, there remained many bombed out streets which were making way for the reconstruction of England's 2nd city.

The content is a veritable treasure chest of scenes for those modelling this era - the houses, the clothing, the street lighting, the vehicles etc. etc.  It's all there - just a wonderful pictorial record !!

I would recommend that all our members spend at least some time viewing this link - maybe it ought to go in the index Bob ?

Well found William !! :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

 

 

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I would recommend that all our members spend at least some time viewing this link - maybe it ought to go in the index Bob ?

Well found William !! :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

 

 It's just gone in Petermac, under both Buildings and Prototype Buildings.

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Robert wrote: Petermac wrote:
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 It's just gone in Petermac, under both Buildings and Prototype Buildings.


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Train spotting at Tilbee Hill Station - Wells Branch.



West Country Class "Wilton" 34041 departs Saturday morning with a Bath Special, in the background  is the train for Highbridge.

     The more I work with print-outs for back gorund buildings the more I like it.  This solution fits well with my goal of creating an urban impression and creating setting for rolling stock pictures.

     


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The same picture as seen through my "B&W" eyes.



BR 34041 "Wilton" West Country Class

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Stunning absolutely stunning. I love these black and white pics.

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An unexpected outing of the Holly Hill Girls School (a wild card drawn from my operational situation cards) to Bournemouth required the mustering of extra motive power from Bath MPD. 



9F 92220 Evening Star takes charge of the extra.


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This one is stunning.................................................................................:thumbs

 

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Robert wrote: That is some photograph of Evening Star. I can see that one being a header picture.Hi Bob:
     The Bachmann 9F model out-of-the box passes close scrutiny standards and is a fabulous runner.  The ready-to-run models being offered today is remarkable.

 

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Hi Larry those backgrounds blend in realy well! I am doing similar with my indoor section to add a bit of depth. Great thing is that once you have the artwork on the PC it can be chopped and changed to suit the location. For the flats on my layout I simply altered the artwork that I made for one of the stations. To add more relisim how about adding some fire escapes and drainpipes. :thumbs

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87 101 wrote: Hi Larry those backgrounds blend in realy well! I am doing similar with my indoor section to add a bit of depth. Great thing is that once you have the artwork on the PC it can be chopped and changed to suit the location. For the flats on my layout I simply altered the artwork that I made for one of the stations. To add more relisim how about adding some fire escapes and drainpipes. :thumbsHi Dave:
     Great suggestion, we "Yanks" love fire escapes hanging on the outside of our industrial buildings.  The pictures of your layout are pack with the urban excitement that I would like to accomplish with my layout.

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As always all your pictures are superb, but that shot of Evening Star is just outstanding.

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Hi, Larry! For some arcane reason, I only "wised up" to your layout this moment. Really great. And, oh what a bliss, having soooo much space!

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     Business matters took me away from the Wells Branch for the better part of February.  Coming back into the layout room this weekend I was struck by how much work needed to be done, to bring the layout up to what I hoped it would be (within my time). Since the track on which the run is an important component of the overall model,  I made the decision that I would take the task I hate most in model railroading, ballasting the track.  So I cleared the terminus area of buildings, platforms and other stuff with the idea of a fresh approach to this task.


 


The two pictures show a ballasting test for a secondary track in the terminus area.  The last time I did some ballast work was probably over twenty years ago and in O scale.  Had some difficulty getting the glue to flow over the ballast with it balling up.  Needs some tips on the best way to glue the ballast down; glue-wetting agent formulas and steps; pre-wet, or what.  Your recommendations will be welcomed.

                                                                                                

 

Hope to see some progress in the Wells Branch during March.

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Larry, using diluted PVA & a water mix - some say 50/50, you can put a drop or two of detergent into the mix. Also spray the ballast when in position with "wet-water" being straight water with a couple of drops of detergent - it breaks down the water surface tension & lets the PVA/water mix low. Methylated Sprits also can be used - it evaporates OK.
I think you may find these methods & others also in the Forum Index under B for ballasting.

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Hi Larry.  There are two popular wetting pre-sprays, viz., water and isopropyl alocohol and water and dishwashing liquid.  I have found that one or two drops of detergent in a spray bottle of water is the best for me because the detergent doesn't evaporate like the alcohol does, while sitting in the bottle.

I have got around to mixing the PVA glue at least 60%water to 40% glue.  Even ratios of 80 : 20 still have enough glue to stick the stones together, but the 60 : 40 holds the track better to the road bed.

I wet the ballast with the "wet water" until it flows out of the sides of the ballast.  Then I leave it for up to 5 minutes to make sure the detergent has wicked through all the spaces.  Then I run the glue mix between the rails until it is up to the rail heads.  It should then flow down through the sides and just appear as puddles next to the stones.

The best applicator for me is a small plastic bottle which comes with Wendy's hair dye.  The spout is just the right size and gravity doesn't need much help to push the glue out.  I can post a pic if it will help.  Cheers  Max

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Sol & Max thanks for the tips, armed with this info I guess I have no excuse for not making some progress.  As you can tell from some of my photos I love making pictures of rolling stock, the weak spot in these photos has always been the roadbed.  Thanks again.

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The road bed actually looks pretty good, Larry.  Dr Sol had to educate me about having the rocks too high, but now mine are OK.  The ballast height in your pictures looks about right.

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I have experimented with different size ballast for mainline, sidings and low use tracks.  I will have several different grades depending on how track is used. 



This picture shows heavy mainline ballast mix.  Even though the ballast is scale for 1/76 mainline it look a little large to me in photographs.  I will probably go to the next size smaller for the mainline also.

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Good ballasting is an important part of the scenery. You're heading for good scenery!

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That ballasting does look good Larry and I'll agree with what Sol and Max have said about wetting agents.  It really does work well but, in my (out of date) experience, you do have to weather the ballast afterwards or the PVA can take on a sort of semi-gloss effect.

Re the stones - they look very different from what we get here in Europe - yours look more like gravel.  It is also often said here that "OO" gauge ballast is too coarse and many use "N" gauge for the job.  When I get around to doing mine, I'm going to experiment with some fine gravel used for swimming pool "sand" filters - just because I've got about 3cwts of the stuff spare !!!. :roll::roll:

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It's a good point, Peter, about the shine.  That is why I opt for at least 60% water, then there isn't any shine.  Early doors, I got a bit excited with the glue and it got quite white and shiny.  I found that respraying it with the wet water took the shine off, as PVA will disolve in water even after it has dried the first time.

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Wow
These have got to be the finest back-grounds I have seen they make whole thing appear to be an insight to a section of the past packed with atmosphere ,they really have got me thinking!

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This problem with the size of ballast has been raised by a few of us before

The woodland scenics medium size that is generally sold for 00/H0 is scale wise to big

The small size sold fro N is a bit to small for 00/HO

IT may pay use to to start a thread to find a suitable everyday building material that is correct for the 00/HO size coarse sand is still to fine but i am wondering if the grit used in Block paving for filling gaps the kiln dried stuff may be usefull i will have to investigate unless someone has a bag in their garden.

IT would be worth looking at as a large tub of woodland scenics ballast is about £8 and that does not go that far.

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as ballast on my outfit, i think it looks ok.

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Thanks to all for the input on the ballast...I will continue posting my progress for comments.   Another consideration in addition to how the ballast looks when viewed at a normal distance (36 inches) in the railroad room, is how it photographs.  Close-up photos tend to over emphasise size of the ballast because of its richness in pattern, this with the contrast that may be created by directional lighting may require me to move to the N scale product.

 

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To get the right looking ballast, Iansa uses crushed Dolomite which he gets from his garden supplies depot.  He puts it through a series of sieves and uses the different sizes for different applications.  It looks brilliant.  It's sharp and the right colour.  I use Woodlands scenics medium grey blend ballast.  It's pretty close, but not as good as the Dolomite.

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Thanks for the suggestions on the glue and wet water...did the PVA 50/50 mix; pre-sprayed the ballast wit "Wet Water" and at this point the (12 hours latter) it's rock solid.  Looking forward to more work today and will add progress pictures as I proceed.



The track and ballast weathering yet to come.

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Don't forget Larry to give the rail surface & inside part of the rail head a GOOD clean as the water/glue tends to spread & make dead spots that you may not see but loco wheels will find.

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Larry, if that's Midwest roadbed, I found that it's helpful to run 100% white glue along the chamfers and coat them with ballast first.  PVA dries quickly, so by the time you have done the tops, it's set up.  I find it helps stop the rocks from washing away when you run the diluted glue in - sorry, I should have mentioned it before.

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Having great luck with the ballasting thanks to all the suggestions.  I can see the "wet water" pre-spray breaks the surface static of the glue the instant it contacts the ballast.  Looking forward to some progress this evening.

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Back at it after five months...layout still looking pretty good.                                                                                     Have a few changes in mind along with some reworking of the buildings. 

Tried my hand at up-loading to the new gallery and then to this page.  If this works you will be viewing my Pannier 4666.

 

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... and there she is. Not too long out of the shop but already with a coating of summer dust.
Nice to have you back Larry.

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well you have cracked it, lovely loco looking forward to the updates &progress
on your layout.

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The Pannier is a great loco, out of the box, factory weathered and running as smooth as silk.  Makes me wonder if I will ever go back to scratch building or kit built locos. 

After being gone so long from the 'Empire' I finding focus a little difficult...want to run trains, but I know that I must get back to track and ballast work first; this week...hopefully.

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I'm sure that a little testing is needed first :roll: before you get on with the job of ballasting:sad:

Good to see you back ;-)

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Adding the plastic kit building I recently weathered; shown in 'On Members Workbenches' section.




These three buildings represent my last arrangement for this corner of the layout....maybe.

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That's a very impressive "corner" Larry. :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs  Some cracking buldings there.

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I am finally happy with the buildings for the 'North Branch Industrial' area (corner) of the layout.  Buildings are seen here placed for outlining on paper to make a positioning template, as I will not fix them permanently to base board.


I will elevated them above the track level and add retaining walls of some sort eliminating the need for a lot of ground detail around them.


Hope to button this down in the next few days; and get back to ballast work on curve section which leads to terminus.  

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Lovely set of buildings Larry and should really set the scene.

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One last change on my corner set-up.  Red brick building replaces the brown Kibri kit, windows were to busy, will use it somewhere else and tone down the windows.


Placed card-board strip to gauge the height of the wall, and will weather the side of the white building.


Track level view from station end, will make this a brick or stone wall, or perhaps several different wall treatments.


My new Ford Popular; when I was a child traveling with my parents on holidays we always stoped and took pictures with our car in them.  I like to carry on the tradition.


This is how I imagined the look should be, next ballast and track-side details.  I see that I missed a number should be 43924, bad train spotting on my part.


I like the feeling of this angle, it will serve well for photography.

Have a few projects scheduled for the layout this week....and will keep up-dating my thread.

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Keep it coming.

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The corner is starting to look extremely good Larry i bet you are really looking forward to ballastin and track painting:lol:

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For info Bob, this took me to post number 1 as well which does not quite fit our thoughts so far as it was posted in last week.

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There really are some very impressive buildings there Larry - and some pretty good photos to go with them !!! :thumbs:thumbs:thumbs

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Glad to see that you are back Larry :thumbs

As I am going to need some help with some of our larger buildings, it's all in the finer details, and being over here doesn't make that easy, so I might be asking you for a lot of advice soon.

Like the low views that you have taken of that corner, looks just the job, and the weathering of them looks spot on.

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There are great similarities between UK and American industrial buildings even into the era of 'poured' and 'cast concrete' construction.  Laws passed in the US in the teens regarding fire prevention saw Water Towers appearing atop structures over so many stories high (local ordinances prevailing exact specifications) for fire prevention.

The water tower for me detracts from the summitry of a building and also creates a jagged line at the top of the building landscape that draws my eye away from the subject in front of it.  Thus even if present on UK structures I may choose to model, you will find in my world that they are absent.

 


  Pannier Tank 5757 passing the Wells Industrial District on its way to the Terminus.


 

 


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I am finally satisfied with the back drop building arrangement.


More train spotting.

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Great photographs Larry. Great modelling.

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I agree with Bob, absolutely stunning. I prefer the colour shots and I really like the side view of 4666 on the previous page.

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It looks excellent to me, Larry. A nice little Ford, too.

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Getting close to the 'week-end' ... to model or to photograph that is the question.  It helps to make these photos to reconcile the fact that I could have seen and photographed these engines when in England as a young man.  Oh-well...this helps a lot.

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When was you last in England ?

I presume you were in the US forces or something

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     My best friend and I would go on an annual trip to the UK to attend vintage racing events and looking for cars and motorcycles for our collection.  

     In the late 80's my situation changed requiring me to devote all my time to business, I took up on British train modeling and soon found that to be a rewarding past time.  

My last trip pictured here with the 1922 Harry Hawkes Brooklands record Morgan car.   The car is gone now and so is my hair.

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Larry, lovely pictures and a very nice looking layout. I love the poic of the Ford car, my dad had one of those when i was a youngster.

I love looking at your pics, the detail in them is amazing. Keep them coming.

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Thanks Phil:

These ready to run models are so well done its not hard to make a good pictures.  I find that the pictures help me determine how much detail a scene will need, I am primarily interested in the locomotives and rolling stock as I am still focus on operation (but, have been inspired by others work here to develop my settings to a higher degree detail then before). 

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Nice hair Larry :lol:, can you give some to Peter :roll:

Did, or do you still have a collection of cars ?

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Not in vintage cars any longer, horses are the ride now; and of course dogs.


Spent the day revising the time table for the layout, and then did some operating to see if it made any sense.  This is a picture of the early morning line outside the Tilbee Hill Terminius. Apparently the crews have left their engines simmering while they have their morning tea before the first runs of the day.

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I assume you use a photo shop package to add the steam effects

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     Actually, I am using the free software that came with my Canon camera; 'Photo Studio 5.5'.  This software does not have the scope of 'Photo Shop'  (which is on my wish list). 

     All the photos that I have posted have been made on a simple Sony 'Cyber-shot 2.0',   This is a easy to use automatic exposure camera, with a digital zoom.  I never use the zoom feature as these pictures do not hold sharpness.  I have yet to figure out how to work well with my Canon and hope to start experimenting with it soon, with the expectation of better results.

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Alan wrote: Nice hair Larry :lol:, can you give some to Peter :roll:

Did, or do you still have a collection of cars ?

:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:  I'd just grow through that as well :hmm:hmm

The photos conitnue to be great Larry - also love the car !!  Not the Ford, the Morgan - Jap "V" twin engine was it ? :roll::roll:

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     The Morgan was the factory works chassis and sported many different engines.  Seen on the car in the late teens and early twenties were Peugot, J.A.P., Blackburne, M.A.G., Precision, Blumfield, Britisih Vulpine and Anazini. 


Archival picture of CJ743 with the M.A.G. engine.   


Anazini eight-valve 1096-98cc engine. 1922 winner in the under one litre class, driven by W.D. Hawkes. 

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What other cars did you collect Larry ?

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Back in the 70's and 80's the focus was primaryly on Bentley, Bugatti, Delahye, Morgan (trikes), MG, Austin; motorcyles...Vincent, Scott, Ariel, Rudge, Norton, AJS and Brough Superior. 


     I did have a couple of American cars, a 1914 Model T Ford and one of all time favorites was the 1911 Stoddard Dayton pictured here.  Large 4 cylinder car that could cruse with four passengers at up to 50 miles per hour. 

     Photo is from a recreation run of the Centennial Auto Race of 1878 held in Wisconsin.  It began in Green Bay and ended it's 201 mile run in Madison; the Capital of Wisconsin.

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We have a Morgan centre here at Perranwell in Cornwall they apparently rent them aswell as sell them a successfull business that has been there for many years and the renting is apparently very popular

cheers Brian

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In 1979 it was privilege to meet and spend some time with Peter Morgan who was a most gracious gentlemen.  It is wonderful to see that a company can be in business without government bail-outs and interference.

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     Right after my last post I was called away on a business mission and upon return three weeks ago broke my left foot getting out of my car.  All my time since then has been spent dealing with this,   and it appears that full recovery will take some time.
     Hoping to use some of this down time to work on the layout as soon as can get about.   


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Bad news about the foot hopefully you will be able to get mobile again shortly.

At least if you can get to your workbench you can do some modelling so perhaps time for a few kits and other bits for the layout.

cheers Brian

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sdjr-usa wrote: Back in the 70's and 80's the focus was primaryly on Bentley, Bugatti, Delahye, Morgan (trikes), MG, Austin; motorcyles...Vincent, Scott, Ariel, Rudge, Norton, AJS and Brough Superior. 



Just your "everyday" run-about cars then Larry - nothing too interesting !!! :shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::wow:wow

My all time favourite, and the car of my dreams when my 6 numbers come up is the 1929 super-charged 4.5 litre "Birkin" Bentley.  A truly fantastic car in my mind.

I had the odd "interesting" car in my youth (Singer Roadster,  Talbot 10,  1949 Triumph Roadster and a Series 1 Land Rover to name a few of them).  I still have friends who own vintage cars - one, whom I shall visit next "home run" at the end of the month has a 1934 Lagonda Rapide and an early E-Type Jag.  Both terrific cars.


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Sorry to hear about your foot Larry, I hope it heals with no problems. Like Brian says, nows the time to start building anything that can be done while sitting at a workbench! It will also help to keep your mind off.... what was that you broke? :pedal

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Thanks all for your wishes....yes...now is the time to get to the 'work-bench' and start work on my main station and platforms.   

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Wayne, he, Larry, must have broken his foot getting out of the car too quickly to get back into modelling & this forum!!

Larry, I hope it was not too painful.

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Thanks for the concern, never had any idea how hard it was to do simple tasks when you on crutches.  Did take the opportunity to open up my new Hornby M7 which replaces the Collect (sold to a fellow modeller).


This will be handling passenger service from Wells - Tilbee Hill station to Highbridge.



The old GWR that has been replaced.

 

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Have tossed off my crutches and time to get back on the foot-plate and have at it again.  Still wearing a foot brace, but can finally walk and use both hands.

Have not had a lot of help as my wife has been ill, daughter just finishing her first illustrated book and my son has been world traveling with a rock band in UK and Europe (yesterday he was in Swindon, has no idea what the G.W.R. is all about).

Pictured is the Hornby out-of-the-box model, very well done, have not had a chance to really run it yet…it looks so good I could except less then perfect performance.

Hope to start putting in an hour a day this week, will see.

 

 




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The model is the Hornby R 2581 > BR 4-6-0 Class N15, Engine number 30764 'Sir Gawain.'  Thie is the ready-to-run model out of the box, the weathered edition.  I could never build a model with this level of detail.

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I have exactly the same model myself Larry

A rake of the older style Maunsell coaches matches perfectly with that.

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Hi Brian:

Here's the profile view of the N15 30453, this is not weathered.



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That is a cracking photo of the N15 Larry.  Something about it makes it look like a contemporary  postcard - lovely.

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Coming back to life...modeling life that is!  It is hard to believe that I have been away from the hobby for so long.  When I broke my foot back in September of last year I thought that I would have a lot of time on my hands.  In addition to my injury my wife became ill and that required a 100% focus on family matters.  I did hit the YMR website as often as I could to keep up on my favorite modellers.  Got back to the railroad room this morning and made this photo, looking for inspiration on my layout.



Have several tasks and projects in mind, hope to get going on them shortly. 

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Glad to hear everything is ok with you again Larry

I look forward to your regular updates again now

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One of my favorite N Class locos on the old layout.

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Welcome back. I really love the first picture, it reminds me of those old post cards that used to be around before proper colour photography.

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Thanks for the greeting...although this layout is now being converted from OO British outline to On30 US as I find photos from this layout (S&DJ-USA) I will post them.  I have gone through a couple of computer failures and lost files which now I am finding on some back-up hard-drives.  I personally think that the British locos are the best looking, especially for photography.

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Newly found pictures from my S&DJR layout. 
Out of the box model by Hornby.



My favorite view of the line-up.  Excellent Bachmann locomotives

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Newly found and very welcome Larry, great photographs as usual.

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Hi Bob:

Have been globe trotting and hoping to get back to modeling again now that I am back in Wisconsin.  Catching up on my computer files and finding a lot of pics of rolling stock from this old layout...makes me question my decision to move up to On30 Great Shore Line project (although scale is easier on my old eyes)...regards.

 

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Great to have you back with us Larry. If you come across stuff that we haven't seen before then don't forget to post it for our enjoyment. In the mean time try to keep us up to date on what's happening in the On30 world.


                 

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