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 Posted: Sat Apr 19th, 2008 07:10 pm
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Thank you Bob, I think the reason I didn't find it was because I was searching the index for transformer, when I should have been looking for PSU. I have it now and have saved the links.

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i got all my LED's from this guy, i do not profit from this but email him with what you want and he will do you a good deal. i get 3mm LED's.
http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Handsignalman-Fall-Arrest-Safety_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm

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 Posted: Sun Apr 20th, 2008 09:35 am
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Thanks Matt, that's exactly what I needed :lol: :lol:
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As part of the point/signalling discussion I started many moons ago, below is one of the panels I use for hidden storage, etc. 5mm MDF, leds with bezels, Kadee pushbuttons for Tortoise & Peco point motors & some toggles to release the dead end indicator circuits is use.



The Signal Box switch allows power for LEDs, Masterswitch for Peco & DC power for Tortoise to be activated per panel - this saves a large on-surge load when the layout is first turned on.

This picture shows one half of my main station & controls 14 points - all Tortoise & by using pushbuttons & the need to keep the motors powered in a stall mode ( not Peco points so no springs) & I have used a matrix system, it requires 16 relays to do this.



Now this is proving to be a bit of a problem  - I had installed relays ex telecom horizontally & did not provide a dust cover ( dunderhead me)  so over the last few days, I have  had dust in contacts giving me a headache  of a few open circuits , (yes I should have mounted the relays so the contacts were vertical to prevent dust sticking to them as it was done in the olden days of electro-mechanical telephone exchanges) - so many relays & wires, I think I will have to simplify things like reducing the number of wires for buttons & LEDs per point from 4 to 2 & replacing buttons with  DPDT toggles. I think the KISS principle will be sorely needed & will be trialed on the small terminal station to be built next

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 Posted: Sat Jan 17th, 2009 04:22 am
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I have thrown Rick of Penhayle Branch a question about his planned panel & lever frame & in the process. I have one to add to this thread that I just posted today.

If we look at the bottom picture, RHS there is track leading to the right & then down to 2 points leading to what will be the MPD.  If I use toggles for motor operation & mounted in the panel in lieu of buttons, all points except those 2 to the MPD will be in a vertical position but these 2 would be horizontal to reflect that the tracks are basically at right angles to the main tracks. It is a bummer & welcome comments, etc from the members. ( The panel for the other half of Tawnton also has 2 tracks going at right angles to the main lines)

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I think I have shown on my layout threads , a manual method of operating points using a slide switch but if not, here is one again. The switch installed & the original on its side. The amount of movement is ideal for Peco Code 75 but too small for Code 100.



The slide switch is a double pole double throw so it can be used for frog switching, signals, whatever electrical need. The down side is a rectangular hole of the correct size needed - I was going to use a round hole & that allows any angles required  but I thought of copying an idea from my mate who does those balsa & card buildings.

A wooden bead on a thin rod but having a microswitch activated. I think the next photo shows this method. The metal unit with 2 small screws are from the "chocolate strips"



The slide switch method is cheaper - A$1.45  while the bead, 2c & microswitch as A$3.95 is dearer but it means easier to install. The other advantage is that it accommodates any point throw, be it code 75 or 100 or smaller handmade.

A cover will be installed over it after my mate gets to see it in operation tomorrow. In the fullness of time ,after a Parliamentary enquiry, the bead will get painted.

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Froggy wrote:

QUESTIONS:

1. I have tried to find a suitable transformer for point operation on the internet, (being in France I have to source all materials that way) but I need advice about which transformer to use and where to get it from, and will I need more than one with this number of points? Also can I operate more that one point motor at the same time, e.g., on a simple crossover pair? It would be good to have a transformer where the outlets are clearly marked, I have seen a few where it is not obvious which connections one should use.


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I quite understand the France problem and I can't comment on your other questions, but the plug in power unit that powered an old printer  sourced at the local dechetterie provided an 18 volt output that I have successfully used to operate two SEEP point motors perfectly at the same time as a test for a 3-way point. Even after clanking backwards and forwards over a dozen times in a row with a stud and probe set up [O.K......drawing pins and a 4" nail...] neither the power unit or the pair of SEEP motors got hot.

Think frugally!

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That dechetterie again Doug - do they pay you to take the stuff away ? !!!

Having just read through this thread again, it strikes me that being the "signal-person" could be as much fun as being an engine driver.

As I said earlier, my points will all be "manual" initially and my signals will be "fixed" but I do like those minature lever frames.  I can see me "learning" about signalling practice and doing it the "proper" way in the future with levers semaphores and wire in tube point control.  It sounds great fun.

I wonder if our dechetterie has any handy levers or tubes !! :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:



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Petermac wrote: That dechetterie again Doug - do they pay you to take the stuff away ? !!!

Having just read through this thread again, it strikes me that being the "signal-person" could be as much fun as being an engine driver.

As I said earlier, my points will all be "manual" initially and my signals will be "fixed" but I do like those minature lever frames.  I can see me "learning" about signalling practice and doing it the "proper" way in the future with levers semaphores and wire in tube point control.  It sounds great fun.

I wonder if our dechetterie has any handy levers or tubes !! :roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:



Tee hee!


Now pay attention, there are some very expensive and excellent wire-in-tube systems available out there in Spendin' Land BUT a completely reliable economic system can be made using the expanding plastic covered curtain rail used for net curtains, with ordinary, 18 - 20 gauge-ish piano-wire inside. I did this as a kid because I couldn't afford anything else.

The net curtain stuff is pence per metre, and the plastic covering easily stripped off revealing a galvanised bright finish that takes solder perfectly, so that tab washers etc can be soldered to it to screw it to the underside of a base board. Add connectors made from 'chocolate block' terminals, and you are home and dry.

I could sketch up a 'how to' tomorrow if needed.

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That sounds like an ideal, and above all, cheap system Doug (or should that be "FFD" ? :roll:)

Other than buying bits of the stuff in the dim and distant past, I have no idea how that stuff comes.  Is it by the yard (sorry, metre) or by the "window width" and have you seen it here ?  I'm not sure they're "into" net curtains in France - more like shutter hinges !!!

I've also wondered about using bowden cable (which probably would be cheap here) although I don't think it would be free running enough.

Looking forward to the drawings (although I do get the idea of what you mean). :cheers:cheers



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Carrying on with my post of Thursday. made up a small box of styrene, plasticard. brick paper & corrugated card.. Looks OK I think, once weathered ....











If anyone gets too close & picks nits - I will have a lot of things on my layout that will attract the pickers first.

Takes a bit of time but I am in no hurry :exclam  in fact enjoying fluffing around doing bits of this & bits of that.


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Where did you get the plastic eyeball?



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Your "fluffing around" looks great Sol. :thumbs

There are all sorts of structures one can use to disguise that sort of thing but, like Max, now I know what happened to Nelson's eye !!!



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take no notice of em Sol,rotten lot!!!
it`s not Nelsons eye ball,   but i don`t no whose it is ??

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Maybe Ned Kelly's ?  :roll::roll::roll::roll:



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Pack of 50 for a $1 - varnished covered wooden beads, the big 'ole will be puttied up afore I paint 'em.

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Now painted - Green for main line



A couple in yellow for yard, etc - still to have the covering boxes made





 

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well like mr G Formby said, it`s turned out nice again ,
they look fine now Sol.

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That's coming along, Sol.  Those buildings remind me of the underground rainwater tanks we used to have on the farm.  The coloured balls are a good idea - especially for newbies.  :thumbs



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Thats coming on really well Ron

A system that will not suffer with problems like solenoid motors going down and will be very easy for all to learn to use and operate. Plus of course the cost is a fraction of doing it with electric point motors.

A good lesson for us all not to get to sucked in by technology as there are much simpler and cheaper ways of achieving the same result.

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