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This is my first attempt at writing anything like this,so bear with me,folks!!!
This line holds a special interest for me,as my next project is a model of the Perranporth/Perranporth Beach Halt section of this old line.
ORIGINS:
There are many reasons for building railways that are not always obvious.You might think that the local mines were the reason,or the growth of the area as a holiday resort,but in fact the main reason for the building of this line was strategic.The GWR were trying to keep the LSWR out of the area!
They had already transgressed as far as Padstow and Wadebridge,and had their eye on a line to Newquay also.They were already operating a bus route from Newquay to Wadebridge!!
The GWR already had one branch from Par to Newquay.The first GWR application to build a second branch to Newquay was turned down by parliament,but a second application,taking in a more circuitous route was approved,and work began in 1903.
There was already a line in existance at the Newquay end;Treffrys old tramway;the track needed upgrading,but there was no need for any major civil engineering work there.The new line would eventually link up with this.
The best way to proceed,I think is to take sections of the line one at a time and then there's no "information overload"
It also gives others,who probably have more info,a chance to contribute.
In the meantime,here's some piccys to give you a flavour,with more to follow,along with maps and trackplans for anyone interested in modelling bits of it.
Please note all pictures are 100 years old and therefore out of copyright.I have got some cracking pics from the 20's,30's and 50's that I can't publish on the forum,but if anyone interested in modelling any of the stations on the line wants a set of these"forbidden" images,I'll gladly e-mail them to you privately.
Also,later on in the thread,I'll list all the publications I've drawn on for anyone wanting more info.
Cheers,John.B.




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Perranporth Station(above)in pristine state,was the terminus of the line from July 1903 until January 1905.

Shepherds Station,another very attractive proposition to model,also had cattle/goods facilities,signal box,etc.

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Super start John i look forward to the next instalment.

The station had a very large canopy on it and the platform seems very wide as well but perhaps that is because it is an island platform perhaps.


cheers Brian.W

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Well it is Cornwall so I will always be interested!

I have always thought that they shut the wrong branch in the 1960s. I know that there was more freight on the Par route, but how much more beneficial it would be today if you could still go from Truro to Newquay direct, even if most of the halts would probably have vanished.

There is an article in the latest Helston Railway Journal about direct trains from Camborne to Newquay as well, so there is something I did not know about the route.

That is the great thing about this hobby - there is always something to learn.

Looking forward to further installments.

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John, excellent reading there, and some lovely photographs, look forward to further instalments with interest!

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Yes...the Blackwater Triangle,NOT the Bermuda one!!
Firstly,let me apologise in advance for this section of the thread.I have got lots of lovely piccys of Chacewater Station from about 1924 up until 1984,but unfortunately can't use them due to coptright issues.However,for anyone interested who may want to consider modelling it,I am prepared to email them a set of pix.
So,therefore this is just a very simple few facts on the station;it was an original station on the West Cornwall Railway in 1852.It closed in 1964,eighteen months after the closure of the branch.It then 're-opened' as a concrete distribution centre in the 1980s.
All that remains now is the down platform and what was the second station building,the first one being destroyed by fire in 1947.I believe its now the headquarters of a double glazing firm.
The town of Chacewater lies a couple of miles to the south of the station.Coming from Truro you cross a magnificent curving viaduct to the East of the station.
The above pic shows No.5552 leaving the branch platform for Truro,over Blackwater Viaduct in the 1950s.Note that corridor stock was habitually used on this branch.Not just B-sets!!!

The above picture by Peter Gray was taken in August 1959.No.4928 Gatacre Hall enters Chacewater with the 4.50 Penzance/Manchester train.Meanwhile 45xx No.5515 simmers on the branch loop with the 5.58 Newquay train.
In the days of the branch,the up platform was an island platform,with a loop for branch trains to Newquay.There was a typical GWR footbridge,a signal box on the down platform,and a small goods yard.
During the Second World War,white American soldiers were based in fields behind the station.Their black counterparts were based near St,Agnes.
Now,here's a very poor early track plan,from 1906,before the branch loop was built

And just to make up for the poor track plan,here's a nice old piccy of the station staff...I guess in either Victorian or Edwardian days???

Now,upon leaving Chacewater on our steam-hauled journey to Newquay,we pass through the Blackwater Triangle(watch out for aliens!!!)
Here's a slightly better map than the last one!!![/IMG]

The map dates from 1906,but the junction was created in 1903 for the branch.The main line runs across the bottom from Truro(east)to Penzance (west)to the left.The west loop of the triangle was hardly used,and was removed in 1919.All three signal boxes,however,stayed in use until 1924,when an independant third track from Chacewater came into use.
So.....next instalment will be;Mount Hawke Halt,St.Agnes,Goonbell and Mithian...AND I promise some REALLY good pics this time(some golden oldies),and if after seeing St.Agnes,no-one wants to model it....well,I'll be amazed!
Cheers for now,John.B.

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Hopefully Bob can confirm this but i think you will find any photographs which pre date 1944 only have a 50 year copywright it is only photographs after this date that carry a 70 year copywright
There is an exact calender date its either !944 or 1945 sometime.

cheers Brian.W

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John, these are brilliant photos and detailed information of a part of railway history I know next to nothing about. I'd be very grateful for more photos (The larger the better!) via email - simply for my own library and interest.

By the way, fellow forum members, that photo of the Chacewater Station staff.... Back row, furthest on the right ... that is Jeff, isn't it :!:

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another thing to bear in mind,photos can be used if they are part of
a reseach project without breach of copywrite,just acknowledge
the authur at the time of posting. :lol: :lol: 8)

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Brian,
If thats the case,I can edit that last section,and stick one or two more pics in.I'll hang fire until I get the green liight,though.
I've got a few from the 1950s and one from1920.
Cheers again,mate,John.B.

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rector wrote:
By the way, fellow forum members, that photo of the Chacewater Station staff.... Back row, furthest on the right ... that is Jeff, isn't it :!:


Oh dear oh dear :roll: :roll: , i am waiting the back lash with a keen interest on this one :) :)
All though you could be right Tim and if you look a tad closer is that Perry on the front row in front of Jeff :D :D
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Of all the places these macho guys could have had their picture taken, they choose slap bang in front of the Ladies Waiting Room. We never change guys do we? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Copyright is becoming an issue again with regard to these old pictures and I have provided a link below for you to see what the current situation is. We are only concerned with the written word and with photographs here and hopefully we are covered by the first statement in section 8.

"Fair dealing is a term used to describe acts which are permitted to a certain degree without infringing the work, these acts are:
Private and research study purposes."


We are a private 'club' in that the general public does not have access to any of the information on here and all the information is for educational and research purposes. Chris has researched and we are studying the results of that research. Definitely educational.

It's a minefield actually and the internet has to be treated differently because each country has it's own copyright laws and the owner of this site lives in Spain. The information is stored in the USA and the people who read the material are scattered all over the world.

All in all I think we are OK with this particular material. We can forget about 45, 50 or 70 years because these figures depend on the date of the death of the person who holds the copyright it appears.

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Some more information which appears to be applicable to us and a catch all for what we want.

"The law: for instance, in the UK individuals may make 'Fair Dealing' copies for the purposes of research or private study for a non-commercial purpose within 'reasonable' limits. This was amended to include the 'non-commercial' declaration as part of the European Unions Directive on Copyright which came into force on 31st October 2003. Please access the 'News/Awareness - information and updates' page on this site for more information on this. What constitutes 'Fair Dealing' is not exactly defined in copyright law, but it seems to suggest allowing the copying of something as long as it doesn't harm/or infringe the copyright owner, and its use benefits the individual and society in general (within 'reasonable' limits).

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Bob,
Fair enough........I'll get a pile of the best photos I can within those time frames scanned in and edited into the thread by this weekend.And just to further cover us,I'll credit the photos where applicable.Also,at the end of the thread,I'm going to print a 'reading list' of books/magazines referred to/borrowed from..so that should sweeten things with the authorities.
Cheers,John.B. :)

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More piccys have been added to part 2,and one or two more will mysteriously appear there over the next day or so!
Cheers,john.B.

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The Blackwater triangle earthworks were still intact until the early 1990s when they built the A30 Blackwater bypass which ploughed right through them.

The layby on the eastbound carriageway sits at the foot of the remaining earthworks and we got to inspect these closely after the front tyre of our van blew out there on the way to Bodmin Exhibition two years ago!

Looking forward to further installments.

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Chris,
When we holiday in Cornwall,we stay at Blackwater,up at the top of the hill there Trevarth caravan site.Last time we were down(Aug 2007),I had a good old explore looking for evidence of the old triangle,and had a walk over to Chacewater.The first time we stayed in the area,we stayed in Perranporth itself at the site on Liskey Hill.We've been about half a dozen times....I love the place.I'm sure I was Cornish in a previous life!!!
Cheers,John.B.
P.S.
They have a steam traction engine rally in nearby fields every 2 years,and I believe,(according to the Helston branch boys),that the line ran through the fields they use.This was the section between Mount Hawke Halt and St.Agnes.

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the traction engine rally you mention must be a differant one as The West of England steam engine rally which is every year is held near chiverton roundabout the fields they use for that are to far north for the track between Mount hawke and blackwater.
I can see Liskey hill caravan park out my front window and i know the one you mean near Blackwater.
Some really great photos there John as Chris said where the triangle was is now part of the A30 where the lay by is.
There is a unused viaduct that stills exists between mithian and St Agnes
i will try and photograph it one day.

cheers Brian.W

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If that is Goonbell viaduct I have a picture here somewhere of it being built. I will have to dig about and see if I can find it because I have never seen a picture showing how they built them anywhere else.

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Yes it is the Goonbell viaduct Chris its on the mithian side of Goonbell its all totally intact just sitting there do nothing. It looks strange looking at it from the road.

cheers Brian.W

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Chris,Brian,
I have got a pic of Goonbell being built,so hang fire until you see if its the same one.Its taken from Alan Bennett's "The Great Western Railway in Mid Cornwall"
But if you have any pics of anything on the old branch that survives now,please just stick them on this thread.
There's a website that has shots taken all along the remnants of the line,and at the end of the thread,I'll post a link to it along with a list of further reading/books,magazines etc that will be of interest.

Cheers,John.B.

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Chris,
No bother,mate....its a forum,not a lecture room...all contributions gratefully recieved,as they say!
:D :D :D
Besides,you local lads probably know a lot more about the area than I do.(I'm getting all this from books,and you'll probably know as much,if not more,than the people who've written the books!!!)
Lets not pooh pooh local knowledge!!!
Cheers,John.B.

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WORK IN PROGRESS........Waiting for pictures and diagrams to be scanned in...............................................................................
The first stop on the branch from Chacewater is Mount Hawke Halt,opened in 1905.It is a single platform typical GWR halt with just a corrugated pagoda-type shelter,built in a cutting accessed by steps down to the platform.
The above photo by P.Gray taken inJuly 1961 shows no.5562 with the 4.35 Newquay/Truro train.
After Mount Hawke,the line curves eastwards then northwards towards St.Agnes,the first station of note on the branch.As usual,the station was some distance from the village it served.
The station in its original form was on a single line on the left going towards Newquay.The original station building had a canopy.(see pics)
When the station was remodelled,the platform was removed along with the canopy.All doors that led to where the platform was were blocked off.
A new,island platform was provided,accessesed from the altered station building via a footbridge.Also,a signal box was added.There was now another passing place for trains here like there was further up the line at Perranporth.
Compare pictures 1 and 3 both taken from the same spot showing old and new layouts!






The next stop up the line was Goonbell Halt,leaving St.Agnes the line curves sharply eastward through a cutting to nearby Goonbell Halt.Again,like Mount Hawke Halt,a small single platform in a cutting with a solitary pagoda shelter.Passing through Goonbell Halt,we then cross over Goonbell Viaduct(built 1902/3),an impressive masonry structure of 5 arches that still survives today,having outlived the railway it once served.

ABOVE:Goonbell Halt 1905
The Viaduct at Goonbell under construction;

The line then curved northward again towards Mithian Halt.Another typical stereotype GWR halt.The 1st picture shows the original wooden platform as built in 1905,the second shows the halt rebuilt as a brick platform.




More to follow,folks.....next instalment Perranporth Beach Halt & Perranporth!!!
Cheers,John.B.

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Really good thread this keep it up.
If i can i will try and get a piccy of the Goonbell viaduct during the week and post it here it is still fully intact but does absolutely nothing now except perhaps a quick route for wildlife to get across.

cheers Brian.W

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Cheers,Brian.
Just looking at the 2 different layouts on St.Agnes,I was thinking that it would be nice to model it as a kind of Frankensteins'monster,bits of both.
The cutesy-olde world of the original,with its awning and adverts on the fencing,but add the island platform/signal box/footbridge aspect as well.
......Best of both worlds!!!
Bang on a fiddle yard either end.....Bob's yer uncle!Anyone stuck for a layout idea could do a lot worse.

Cheers,John.B.

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This is really interesting :)

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Great article and photos GJG. Looking at St Agnes, it's amazing how they could cram so much extra into the space without it looking crowded. Must have been very lateral thinking planners in those days !! Looking forward to reading more.
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A similar rebuild took place at Penryn, with the station platforms being moved well away from the original building. Must be a Cornish thing...

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Christrerise wrote:A similar rebuild took place at Penryn, with the station platforms being moved well away from the original building. Must be a Cornish thing...

Maybe they were just moving them further away from "England" Chris !! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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And here is the old St Agnes Station building as it is today.
The actual platform was on the right hand side of the building where you see the gravel path.
It is now part of a little industrial estate.


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Maybe they were just moving them further away from "England" Chris !! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Well, can't blame them for that! :twisted:

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Following the photograph of the Goonbell viaduct being constructed here are some photos of how it is todaywhich i took this morning.
It is totally unused now but from a distance it still looks in very good structural condition.
The first photo is showing the whole viaduct looking south towards it.
The second photo is from a similar angle the original build photo was taken.
The third photo shows the track run over the viaduct looking towards Goonbell.

The forth photo is of a little cattle creep that preceeds the viaduct on the Mithian side









cheers Brian.W

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I always think it's a great pity these railway relics of bygone days are just left to decay. Being a very practical kind of guy, I haven't the faintest idea what I'd use them for but they ought to be used !!!!!

In the village in Yorkshire where I grew up, there was superb iron single span viaduct over the river. When they closed the line, it just rotted until someone got it listed. The owners (I think BR) couldn't, or didn't want to restore/preserve it so sold it off for 1 - with the proviso that the new owner restored it. It's now part of a track-bed footpath and stands resplendant in all (or most) of it's former glory.

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This weekend,I promise to carry on where I left off and post some more pics of the two Perranporth stops on the line,and after that,on towards Newquay!!
I've not forgotten!!! :D

Cheers,John.B.

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Next stop on our journey to Newquay is Perranporth Beach Halt,which was the last stopping place to be built on the line.Ironically,it remains the last one still in use,albeit in a different location!!!
The sections were removed to Falmouth,where they now form the new Falmouth Town stop on that line.


Various views of Perranporth Station taken from the excellent "Branch Lines to Newquay"by Middleton Press.(contains many more excellent pics of the OTHER Newquay branch from Par.Recommended reading!

Note the differences to this (Chacewater)end of Perranporth Station.The earlier GWR original signage over the subway entrance in the older picture,and the corrugated iron hut that appeared behind the subway some time later.






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At this point,I think its appropriate to mention the great help that our very own HenryParrott has been in my research on Perranporth.
Not everything we need to know about how things ran is available from books,and his efforts to get info and pictures for me goes that extra yard.
Not only has he been out and about taking pictures for me,but has gone to the trouble of hunting down info from old inhabitants of Perranporth,not least Mr.Miners,whos father was the signalman at Perranporth.
Much appreciated,Brian.
Also thanks to Chris Trerise,while I'm about it for his input on this thread so far.
Cheers Lads,
John.B. :) :)

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Fascinating photos and text. I'm enjoying every installment.

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The black and white photographs are excellent. Really bringing back memories.

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Robert wrote:The black and white photographs are excellent. Really bringing back memories.
yes they do,how railways used to be,what a pity they they are just
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Excellent - I must go and read that Middleton Press book again. I just love them!

A rare photo of a Multiple Unit as well, they were not used very often on that route. They came a bit too late, as with the Helston Branch, and it was more usual for the local trains to be formed of the B Set with a Class 22 Diesel.

Just been watching Seaside Rescue on BBC1 - just think how busy Perranporth station would be if the route had survived.

Looking forward to the next installment John.

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I love that wet platform too. Great atmosphere.

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I can actually see where beach halt was from my front window its about a 5 minute walk from my house.

the Bamboo club was first built on the site of the station then that was knocked down a few years ago and there are 3 detached houses there now. only the bridge sides remain of anyting railway there now.

cheers Brian.W

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Well,everybody....Its been over 7 months since we've been stuck in Perranporth,plenty of time for anyone to get out,stretch their legs,and visit Henry Parrots' layout!!!
   Apologies for the delay....wrong sort of snow/leaves on the line/track lifted in 1963....(take your pick!)

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   Anyhow.Ready to continue on?Got your tickets ready????


Right.All Aboard!!! Driver Right Away! Next stop is Goonhavern Halt.We leave Perranporth station and pass through the lovely Bolingey valley and through the little hamlet of Bollingey with its lovely thatched cottages and 17th Century pub The Bollingey Arms,we are heading South now,away from the sea inland,we curve off to the East and now we are in a cutting as we approach Goonhavern.Another typical GWR halt with a corrugated pagoda shelter.
  This first view,looking back towards Chacewater is from the 1920s;


This second shot,looking towards Newquay is from the 60s,and is specially for Mr.Trerise.(only sorry its not a blue diesel!)


Next stop;Shepherds.

Cheers,John.B.

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Absolutely fantastic John

I don't know how I have missed this thread, but I will wait a while and then print it out to keep, it's better than a lot of books that I have seen on lines and stations, please don't stop until you have covered every mile of the south west :cheers

I look forward to the next installment

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Well you won't have to wait long,Alan....
    A few miles on up the line is Shepherds.A passing place with facilities similar to Perranporth.However,there was no goods shed as such,although some freight did pass through there.
    It was also the place where Treffreys line from Treamble joined  the branch.This disused line was revived and then finally closed and lifted in the 40s.it had a speed limit of only 10 mph. when in operation.



Here are some images of Shepherds from the 1920s onwards.



 
Note the wooden platforms(as at Perranporth)



This final shot of the station shows its remoteness.It has been described as having a 'goods depot',although there is clearly no goods shed as such,but as can be seen from previous pics of the station,large wicker baskets and hampers are in evidence.
The treamble branch is still extant in this shot,veering off to the right.It was lifted in the 1940s.The station was demolished in 1963.
  No doubt the locals miss the railway.The station site is now part of an extended farmyard.


More to come soon!
Cheers for now,John.B.

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Great stuff i will try and ask Trevor more questions about shephards as it is strange because it is a large station but in the middle of nowhere i will try and find out more about the goods that were there.

Not much is left of goonhavern halt just the bridge abutments you see in the photo i think.

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I love this part of railways the history and those picks with the folks in what beautys, they look so different back then and when you think of it that was not really that long ago really.

Thanks, cant wait for more.

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Lovely old pics there. Although I know the area well I never managed to ride the trains on that route. They were gone before I was allowed out "on my own" as it were to explore.

But I do have an interest in what remains of the old lines and where possible in travelling them by other means. Walking or cycling is possible in some cases but not for the Perranporth which is fenced off and blocked / vanished in numerous places.

I'll be exploring the area again in May this year.

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Nice one John.

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The next stop will be Mitchell & Newlyn Halt.......

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John, it has been worth the wait just to see that picture of the Class 22 at Goonhavern!

I have signalling diagrams for this route somewhere that I can add if you like?

Also, I found this site: -

Disused Railways

Amongst many other routes it does the Newquay to Chacewater route as it is today.

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We have that link in the Forum Index Chris, plus another one on disused railways.

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       Absolutely,mate.....just stick it in.All contributions gratefully recieved!!!
And yes,I've seen the disused line photos.
       Before going onto the next station,I'll be adding some old piccies not yet shown of stations that we've already been through by way of a review,also one or two other bits.
I'll post them this weekend when I've got more time.
      Anyone with any photos or info relating to the line,please feel free to post them...its a forum,and the more that take part,the better.

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Nothing to add to help you, except that I am enjoying this thread so much, I can't wait till you finish it (a long way off i hope) so that I can print it out and refer back whenever I want, think I will even ring-bind it into a book. :cheers

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Well,as promised,by way of a review,here are some more photos of the area already covered that have turned up since I started my research on the line.We'll start back at Chacewater again;a couple of pictures before and after the addition of the branch loop;



As we leave the main line at Blackwater triangle and head north up the branch at the time of the building of the line,here are some pictures of the bridges being built;


Mount Hawke Halt again;
                                       


Goonbarrow Viaduct & cattle creep;


Just before Perranporth Beach Halt 1917;

And the same place under construction circa 1903;


Some new shots of Perranporth Station;




One of my best and rarest finds...early motive power;


A colour piccy of the bridge at Bollingey...


And finally,before we move off up the line next week,arare shot of the Treamble branch that joins our branch at Shepherds with a typical tiny train bombing along at the regulation 5mph in 1935;


Cheers for now,John.B.






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Sorry Bob, I really should have known that would already be in the index :oops:

Here is the signalling diagram of Chacewater: -



St Agnes: -



Perranporth: -



Shepherds: -



All of these signal boxes were open until the entire route closed, in common with the Helston Branch.  If only they had introduced the "Basic Railway" concept earlier this route in particular may have survived...

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      Thanks for the signalling diagrams mate!
The Perranporth one is going to be particularly useful to me!!!
....I now know the dimensions of the signal box that I'm building,too!
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If you've managed to work that out from the signalling diagrams then you are pretty amazing :cool:

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Not really,Chris....it says 25 ft x 12 ft.

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John another great set of piccys

The 2 perranporth bech halt piccys have nearly got a piccy of my house in my house is more or less top to left of both piccys built in 1896 so it definately would be in the younger of the 2.

Many of the buildings you see in the picture do still exist but there is obviously a lot more built up around them.

The signalling diagrams Chris posted should be really helpfull to you.

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I note the "Cornish" spelling on an official document; the St Agnes diagram refers to "Eleectric Train Staff" :oops:

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       I was 3' out in my estimates on the length and breadth of my model,but that was based on those Churchward n gauge windows,which must be slightly larger than they should be!
       The ones in the Ratio signal box kits are larger still.
Needless to say,I won't be starting again....I can live with being a few feet out,and it'll give Mr.Miners the signalman a bit more legroom:lol:.Fact is n gauge is a compromise with 2mm finescale being the real 2mm/1foot scale,so I won't lose any sleep over it.If I were doing it absolutely bob-on finescale,then I'd probably begin again with my own windows,but I'm not that faddy!
      The info on the levers will also come in very handy when I eventually tackle the interior.(but that won't be for some time).:thumbs

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John did threaten some time ago to progress to Mitchell & Newlyn Halt but I got bored waiting...

Here it is as seen last week in the pouring rain





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Considering how lightly constructed those stations were it is surprising that so much survives as well as it does to this day.

Wonder if the Helston Railway mob might be talked into a slight extension ..... from Gwinear Road to Chacewater, Perranporth and Newquay ;-)

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It would be good if they could perhaps reconstruct it or before we know it someone will have scat it down for fun!  Pretty much unchanged since closure 47 years ago at the moment.

The system crashed in the middle of uploading, so here are a few more of the same site





Moving on to Trewrry & Trerice Halt, nothing remained at this site.  Or so we thought when on closer inspection it became evident that the original level crossing gate remained on one side of the road.  Actually the gate is not original but the post and hinges are.







If you look closely you can make out the BR WR lettering.

That is all I have for now, it was raining very heavily by then and almost dark!

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Amazing after all these years it still standing. Things where made to last back then.

Nice pics thanks

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          thanks for those piccies.....just the kick up the backside I needed:oops::oops::oops::roll:
I will get back on the job soon,but as you know,I've been a liittle bit occupied in trying to re-create a certain section of that line!:twisted:
         Tomorrow evening,I'll get back on the job and move us all a little bit nearer to Newquay.
(Shocking service this.....its worse than British Rail!!!!)
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(The GWR would've got us there by now....)
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Well,as promised,here we are...(eventually!!!),at Mitchell & Newlyn.Situated,as per normal for Branch Line Stations and Halts,absolutely nowhere near either place!!:roll:
  This little halt,uncovered by our very own Indiana Jones of the Blue Diesel,was in fact Mk II
The original halt was a very elaborate wooden structure built on stilts,on the opposite very steep side of the hill just a few yards before where this one is now.
  Here is the surviving,simplified concrete platform in its heyday,standing on an embankment close to the spoil heaps of the old East Wheal Rose Mine.Loco no.5515 stands with a train in the late 50s,showing how isolated and far away from either settlement the halt is.The vegetation in Chris's modern photos has yet to take seed and hide the platform and shelter from view.



I have an old photo or two somewhere of the Mk I wooden version,that I will post just as soon as I remember where the heck they are!!!:oops:

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Good grief, I had no idea it was such a drop down that embankment! The bushes and trees have grown so much you would think it was level at that point.  Good job I did not go too far back to take the picture, I might never have been heard of again :lol:

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Nice piccy John

I am actually starting a job within about half a mile of where that little Halt is this week some time.

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Brian,
       Remember you said you'd get me some pix either side of the bridge at Bollingey?....well I've started building a few versions of the bridge at Perranporth where Station Road ran under the line.
As I can't find any pictures of THAT bridge,other than the remaining abutments,I've decided to do both bridges the same.Problem is the underneath of the arch.
   Is the bridge at Bollingey all stone construction,or is the underside of the bridge done in brick,and how do the courses run?? .......Some I've seen just carry on parrallel up and over,while some I've seen have a diagonal course under the arch.
:hmm
  So....I really could do with those piccies,mate!!!:doublethumb

And if you get them,I promise I'll post a picture of ME with MY Dorky Optivisor????:cool wink

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John I will investigate during the week and get a few photos i actually have a little job to do during the week which is only 50ft from the Bolingey bridge

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Here are some more views of Mitchell & Newlyn (Mk II);



and two that show the undergrowth taking over.......





And two pictures that show the much more elaborate MkI wooden structure,festooned about,presumably with the workers who have just finished building it in 1905,along with their families and pets.The sign at the bottom of the steps in the second pic proudly announces the commencement of steam railcar services from this halt.



Note the more substantial pagoda shelter on stilts...



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This is a fascinating thread, thanks to everyone.  I remember as a boy in Newquay going for days out by train to Perranporth, at least the boating lake is still there :lol:

The "Friends of the Atlantic Coast Line", a local support group for the Newquay branch line, have produced a DVD of the Chacewater branch.  Details and some clips, are on their website http://www.focal.org.uk/photos.htm

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Christrerise wrote: Good grief, I had no idea it was such a drop down that embankment! The bushes and trees have grown so much you would think it was level at that point.  Good job I did not go too far back to take the picture, I might never have been heard of again :lol:

Also with the pic you took Chris i never eealised the curve from the station either. Its quite sharp, next time Chris get a machetti and hack it back to see if the curve is still there will you, :thumbs

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GJG John is going to be giving you loads of kisses those video clips give him a lot of extra referance material im sure he will be ordering the full video from the focal group.

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Wow.....!!!:shock:

I don't know about kisses,but that last film showing the last train into Perranporth and the line being lifted nearly made a grown man cry.....but you're right about one thing...I've got to get me that DVD!!!
   Another thing arising from that...the number of people on that train ALL seemingly packing cameras,leads me to think that maybe there's even MORE stuff "out there" just waiting for me to find....

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Here are piccys of bolingey bridge







Now here a a couple of the abutments that remain of the station road bridge the first you can see where demolition has taken place.

#on the second photo note the 2 angled face bricks that remain if it was brick built it would mean by the angle of them that the arch was actually shallower than the bolingey one.

i will have to grab Trevor to confirm it was brick and not a steel plate one







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Thanks for a series of good clear pics Brian. The "Merry Christmas" sign on the second one is a nice touch and is that a string of fairy lights across the stonework on the top one as well?

Always knew there was fairies down Bolingey :thumbs

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yes it is definately a string of fairy lights not sure where they are plugging it in thou.

The Bolingey Inn is still there its one of those pubs that has not changed at all in a very long time

I went to a birthday party there a few months ago and it was a pleasure to go into real old fashioned pub .

I think many of the pubs today have lost that pub feeling and are dolled up to attact yuppies and the very young.

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Much appreciated Brian!!!
   I think that in the absence of an old picture of the Perranporth bridge,I'll base it on the Bollingey one.The Perranporth bridge WAS stone...I'm pretty sure,due to photos taken looking at it at track level,where there were stone side walls with pillars at either end.
  The underside of the Bollingey bridge shows what I really wanted to see..the pattern of the bricks running underneath it!
  Invaluable info;once again mate,thanks for going out of your way to help.The Perranporth Connection Strikes Again!!!:lol::lol::lol:
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I would guess it probably was an arch as if it was the girder type the wall would have been straight and would not have need demolition like that?

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       I can't believe that I've posted nothing on this thread since December 2009!!!!:It's a no no
I'll set that straight in the next few days,and we'll carry on along our journey to Newquay.
The way this thread is going,the layout will be finished first!!:mutley

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Hi All,
I was browsing the internet when I stumbled upon this thread which took me back about 50 years as a young boy when I used to travel on this branch line with my mother, to visit relations and friends at the villages served by the little halts from Goonbell to Goonhavern. I have quite vivid memories which I would share with you if you are interested.

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Hiya Manxie,
                Thanks for your post and messages.It's nice to know someone else is interested in this old line.I DO have more material to add,and will be doing so in the coming weeks.If you yourself have any pictures,info,anecdotes...whatever,please feel free to add them in the meantime.
                As for the layout,work is progressing,albeit very slowly.My daughter is getting married this year,so I don't have as much time for modelling as I would like.I will,however be posting a few pictures soon on a little corner that I've been working on that is nearing completion,so it should provide some idea as to how the layout will develop.
                Once again,thanks for the interest.

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As a young boy I used to travel on this line in the late 1950's early 60's, with my late mother to visit relations and friends.

We would leave Penmere Halt, Falmouth, to Truro, where we would change trains to Chacewater, where we would then change again onto the Newquay branch line.

First halt we would get off would be Goonbell, the place where my mother was born in 1921 to visit her sister who lived a short distance from the halt.

My mother also lived at Wheal Butson from 1935 to 1947 in a small cottage beside the Wheal Liberty Viaduct(Goonbell viaduct). I believe this was the last viaduct to be built in Cornwall.

She told me stories of how she used to walk along the line with her sisters to catch the train at Goonbell, and if they were a little late the engine driver would see them and wait at the halt for them to get on board. I can't imagine that happening today if the line was still open.

Sometimes when the train passed their cottage, the fireman would throw out a couple of bucket loads of coal down the embankment, which my mother, brother and sisters would collect and take home because they did not have a lot of money in those days, and every little helped.

Mothers youngest sister often sat on the viaduct waiting for the train.

Next halt was Mithian, where I had an aunt who had a small holding right beside the railway line.
When we used to leave to go home sometimes it was dark, and it was very spooky waiting at the halt for the train with just oil lamps as light. I can see the train now in my mind, with a red light in the distance gradually getting bigger as the train approached the halt. The engine would pull the train in reverse in the Chacewater direction, and frontwards in the Newquay direction.

Next would be Perranpoth Beach Halt, where as you know the platform is now in Falmouth at "The Dell", where I still live.

Perranporth Station has special memories for me, as we used to live next door in Bolingey,Perranporth 1953, to Charlie Chubb who was a porter at the station, and when we used to get off at Perranpoth Station I remember going down the steps from the centre platform, which had white tiled walls and ceiling.

On returning to the station after visiting friends, Charlie Chubb would sometimes take me up in the signal box, and watch the signal man pulling on the big levers which were polished brass with a duster in his hand. The engine would also take on water at Perranporth if my memory serves me correctly.

But the best thing for me was to hold the metal staff with a ring on the end when the train came in which the fireman or driver would take as he passed me before stopping.

I believe that the train could not go without the staff on to the single line, as a safety measure.

Next stop was Goonhavern, where I had another aunt, and that is how far I went towards Newquay.

They still say today, that "Butcher Beeching" should never have axed this much loved and popular line, which I believe did make a profit, especially during the summer months.

I never did travel on the diesel trains on this line.

I occasionally go out in my car in the St.Agnes area, and think about the old railway and my mother of which I have many happy memories.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsZKV7IF4bc

Some great pictures here.
http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/cornwall-railway-gallery-branches-west.html

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Wow,some fantastic stories there Manxie!! And I love that second link to all those photos.Most of those I've never seen!!!(Although sad to see the line actually being lifted...)
 Thank you very much for sharing them,and if you remember any more,please don't hesitate to post them because memories of this line are like gold dust to me.Likewise with pictures!!!;-)

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Stories for us all to enjoy - thanks for posting, Manxie.

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Thanks for your kind comments.
Next time I go out St.Agnes I will take some pics and post them here.

Below is a picture on my living room wall I had given to me several years ago by Ken Miners who lived in a bungalow across the road from the now disappeared Mithian Halt. It shows the train pulling into Mithian Halt in the Chacewater direction.

I think it is a lovely picture, of how I remember it.

There is more colour to it than the camera is showing because I am not using a flash.

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Wow,some fantastic stories there Manxie!! And I love that second link to all those photos.Most of those I've never seen!!!(Although sad to see the line actually being lifted...)


There is a man called Clive Benney from St.Agnes who sometimes gives a slide show and talk on the Chacewater to Newquay Line.

It is very interesting showing many rare slides starting with the line being built by mainly Irish workers, and finishing up with the line being ripped up, which is heartbreaking.

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          There was a John Miners who was a signalman at Perranporth in the early days of the line.His son,Trevor Miners(now an old man) helps out at Perranporth museum.I wonder if they were any relation to your Ken Miners???
          I realise that Miners is a fairly common local name...

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I believe I know Trevor Miners in Perranporth. If my facts are correct he was a Beven Boy during World War 2.

Whether he was related to Ken Miners who was a farmer in Goshan,Mithian, before he moved up by the halt when he retired,I don't know, but I can find out.

As for model railways, as a youngster I had a 1953 Triang Train set, which belonged to my older brother.

I remember the engine was Princess Elizabeth 2nd, with a coal tender and 2 carriages. The track was oval and grey in colour, and was in a plain red box with I believe a white label on the front stating what was inside. It also had a grey metal transformer.

How much would that be worth now, if I still had it in the original box?

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I was watching Bargain Hunt the other night and a tin plate Hornby signal box made by Meccano went for about twenty quid, so a whole set would be worth a motza.

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It often surprises me how little many of these old train sets are worth now.  In real terms, far less than they cost new.  I suppose that's the downside of mass production ..................

But then, for some reason, many of the Wrenn models are worth a small fortune ............:roll:

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John,

Have just re-read the whole of this thread. As I said to you at Carn Brea, I've always wanted to make a model of Shepherds Station - well I've decided to do it over the next two years, although in 00 not N. I've got the Middleton Press books of the area, showing most of the same photos you have in the thread, and of course the track plan, though I probably need more specific photos of the buildings, especially the station buildings.
I'm also going to imagine that the line never actually closed, so is still active today. Hopefully I can then use any stock from the early days right through to the modern units used in the area at the moment.

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Well,everybody....Its been over 7 months since we've been stuck in Perranporth,plenty of time for anyone to get out,stretch their legs,and visit Henry Parrots' layout


With reference to 2 pics on this thread

The white railings on the right of this pic of Perranporth Station is where the steps went down to Station Road.
You can just see the steps through the railings.

If I remember correctly, these steps were fully enclosed going down from the centre platform to another level where the road was, and the sides, and I believe the ceiling were white tiles.



Going back to page 3 on this thread, I don't know if anyone has pointed this out, but there were three bridges in a dead straight line at Goonhavern in a very short distance looking back towards Chacewater. This pic shows the first bridge. You can just see part of the second bridge through the arch.

I have seen a picture of these three bridges looking back down the line.

This information and picture was given out by Clive Benney at one of his slide show talks, as I mentioned previously.

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With reference to 2 pics on this thread
Deleted the 2 blank pages because of possible copyright reasons, but I have reposted using the "quote" system which I believe is legal and above board.

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See the above statement.

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Some photos are from within this thread, Page 3 for example.First photo from post 58 & the second from post 45.
The copyright info was all discussed on the post in Page 1.

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         apparently the whole subway area was infilled with the debris from the demolotion of the station,and the entrance is now bricked up with breeze blocks.I'll be dealing with this area on the model in coming weeks!
         According to Trevor Miners there was a ramp built from sleepers where heavy items of luggage like trunks were slid down to the car park by the subway entrance.Do you remember seeing this???

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Hi John,
No, I don't remember the ramp, bearing in mind I was only a young boy from the mid 50's to the very early 60's when there were steam trains. Just remember vividly the white tiles on the subway entrance leading up to the station.
I was out Goonbell and Mithian today and took some pics which I will post, with one very interesting pic.

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I believe some of these pics have been posted before, but here goes anyway.

Whats left of Goonbell Halt. The iron gate and railings at the top of the path that led down to the halt


Another view of the railings with some of the bridge wall. On the other side of the road the bridge wall has been removed and houses now stand on the filled in line.


Looking over the bridge wall towards Mithian and the Wheal Liberty Viaduct. You can just make out the cutting between the trees and bushes.


Looking at the Wheal liberty Viaduct from the northern side.



Just a few yards on from the Wheal Liberty Viaduct is Wheal Liberty Bridge. Pic taken by Henry Parrot.


Looking back towards the Wheal Liberty Viaduct from Wheal Butson Bridge.

Looking the other way from the Wheal Butso Bridge towards Mithian. The line has been completly filled in and is now a field.


Here is a pic of the road that goes over the Wheal Butson Bridge. The road coming up from the left goes down to Wheal Butson where my mother lived as a young girl, and the Wheal Liberty Viaduct


Mithian next.

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This is Mithian Bridge about quarter of a mile on from the Wheal Butson bridge in the Newquay direction, unless there is another one on private land, but I don't think so.

It is just on the outskirts to Mithian village coming in from Mithian Downs.


Looking over the bridge in the Mithian Halt direction


Looking back towards Wheal Butson bridge.


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I am not aware of the bridges on the line having names apart from the Wheal Liberty Viaduct, that's why I have named them after the area in which they were built, hence Wheal Butson bridge, Mithian Bridge, Goshan Bridge, Mithian Halt Bridge, and so on to Goonhavern, where the line stops for me.
There is a small bridge between Wheal Liberty Viaduct and Wheal Butson Bridge, which I call Wheal Liberty Bridge, which I have just inserted above to keep them in order.

There is I believe from memory, another small tunnel bridge between Mithian and Goshan bridges. I can remember it from a young boy visiting my aunt who had a small holding at Goshan beside the railway line, because we used to walk back along the railway line to where the tunnel bridge was, drop down the enbankment, through the tunnel under the railway line, to pick wild apples.

Next stop. Goshan Bridge.

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Here we are at Goshan Bridge, which is situated on the top side of Goshan a small hamlet on the outskirts of Mithian.
The white building you can just see at the bottom of the hill is Goshan Farm, which was once farmed by Ken Miners (deceased), relation to Trevor Minors of Perranporth.


This pic shows the view looking back to Mithian Bridge.
As you can see the line is now a field, and in the background you can see a house. This was a farm cottage which belonged to my aunt, and had some wonderful times there playing in the fields. It has since been completely rebuilt, and nothing like I remember it.

Goshan Bridge looking towards Mithian Halt.



You can just see the cutting in this pic.


If I am boring you, please tell me to stop.

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Not boring at all, makes me want to get out there and trace the route myself.

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Thanks Stubby.

This branch line has sentimental reasons for me. It just takes me back to my childhood, and the stories my mother told me.

MITHIAN HALT
This pic is most probably the saddest one for me, because as far as can see there is nothing left to mark the spot of the halt, or where the bridge was. The line has been completely filled in to make a field.

I believe from memory that the row of trees going away on the left was the top of the railway line embankment, and where the wooden fence is, is where the metal gate was at the top of the path that went down to the halt.

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This is that all remains of the next bridge on from Mithian Halt.It is very close to Mithian Halt being the next road over.

Looking back towards Mithian Halt.


Note the metal base plate of the bridge on my side side of the road that indicates that the bridge and line were offset to the road. Something for John B to make note of when making his model.


This pic shows the other side towards Perranporth, and the metal base plate.
As you can see, the gate and lane is now where the track was.

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I can't believe you'd think this was boring mate.As far as I'm concerned,and I'm sure everyone else would agree,this is pure gold.Not only some unique pictures of the line as it is now,but some lovely anecdotes that take us all back there with you when you were a lad.
  Lovely stuff Manxie,don't you dare stop!!;-)
Hopefully,as work progresses on my layout and I bang up more pics of that,that may spark off more memories for you as well.And Stu is doing Shepherds too!!
  You never know,we might even inspire someone to model Chacewater or St.Agnes....
....might even end up recreating the entire line in miniature between us all!!!
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  You never know,we might even inspire someone to model Chacewater or St.Agnes....
....might even end up recreating the entire line in miniature between us all!!!
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Now that would be something to create the whole line between you all, and show it at one of the village halls on route.

They have a lot of exhibitions at St.Agnes Mens Institute.

How much of the line are you recreating John?

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Here we have that special picture I promised you.
The actual signal from the Chacewater to Newquay line in someone's garden between Wheal Butson and Barkla's Shop, which I imagine was sited either at St.Agnes or Perranporth Station's.

For some reason it looks like the blade has been removed, but I will pop in and get a better pic when I am passing, and more pics of the line as I progress towards Goonhavern.

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          I'm only modelling the section from Liskey Hill bridge to just after Bollingey.basically just Perranporth Station and its approaches.
          These pictures you're posting really are something.I'd love a souvenir of the line like that signal:roll: When items like that come up for sale though its usually silly money.
          This is getting to be a bit like railway archeology.....

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I had a wander around Goonhavern, Shepherds, Treamble and Perranporth today. The station approach at Perranporth passes between what I assume to be the remains of the bridge under the north end of the station. However, the southern wall appeared to be unbroken, with no sign of ever having had a set of subway steps leading to the platform.

So how/where did the subway emerge ?

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I had a wander around Goonhavern, Shepherds, Treamble and Perranporth today. The station approach at Perranporth passes between what I assume to be the remains of the bridge under the north end of the station. However, the southern wall appeared to be unbroken, with no sign of ever having had a set of subway steps leading to the platform.

So how/where did the subway emerge ?


Trevor Miners told me on the phone the other evening where the steps leading up to the station were. Next time I am down Perran I will have a look.

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Stu,
Does this diagram help??


The subway is just about 15-20 yards from where you were stood at the bridge.It was the station carpark.There's a business there now.Try looking at the google map and compare it to this.

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Aha, tis all clear now.

From your map, I stood between the red lines, but the subway was between the blue ones.




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Hoping to get out this weekend and take some more pics including the Chacewater Triangle of how it looks today.

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Excellent work you lot... Such pictures and stories are invaluable, especially to a poor expat who can't believe how quickly everything gets overgrown.

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Here are pics of the Chacewater Triangle as it is today.

In this pic I am standing on the western side of the Triangle with my back to the A30 which has cut part of the triangle off. On the other side of the A30 is the main Truro to Penzance line where the triangle joined into.

This is where trains coming up from Penzance could branch off to Newquay.


Here I am looking in on the western side at the top of the enbankment. You can just make out where the track was.


Looking in on the triangle. It is all overgrown now. When I remember it as a young boy, there was hardly any vegetation, just barren land with a bit of gorse.



This shows the eastern side of the triangle that served Chacewater and Truro.

And here we have the eastern track taken from the side of the A30. You can see the height of the triangle above the wooden fence and how it goes away following the line of trees towards Newquay.

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Today I took nearly 70 pics from Mithian to Cocks, which is on the Newquay side of Bolingey.

I will load them a few at a time. There are some cracking shots of bridges,the track, the Perranporth Subway, and a hidden viaduct, and some very special shots of the Wheal Liberty Viaduct.

All will be revealed over the coming days.

Watch this space.

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Moving on from the next bridge on from Mithian Halt, before I went back to the Chacewater Triangle, the next bridge on the way to Perranporth, is at Burnthouse. As you can see it is down a very narrow country road. Perranporth is to the right

As you cas see nature has taken it's course on top of the bridge.


Next bridge on is what I would call Perrancombe Bridge.
This bridge is about half a mile from where Perranporth Beach Halt used to be. Perranporth is to the left.

Both sides of the bridge is dense undergrowth

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This is the Perrancombe Enbankment, about half a mile from the Perrancombe Bridge, which is now a public walk as far as the Perranporth Beach Halt Bridge

Pic of how high the enbankment is to the road.


Standing on the enbankment track bed, looking towards the Beach Halt It's hard to believe that trains once ran along here.



Beach Halt bridge in the distance.




End of the walk. Beach Halt Bridge wall.


What's left of Beach Halt Bridge.



Plaque on bridge for start of walk.


Other side of the road where the other half of the bridge once stood and the Beach Halt.

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There seems to be a lot of people logging in to this thread, following how my pictorial journey unfolds tracing the old line from Goonbell to Goonhavern.

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Manxie,
Its great for me that you're doing this,because I live so far away from the line that I'm modelling,and Stu is also building his Shepherds layout,and this has given me a boost to get cracking on Perranporth.

  As I'm currently working on the subway at Perranporth,can you remember if the stairs went down in one single straight drop,or was there a middle level section half way down???
  Also,were the floor tiles brown,and do you remember any posters on the subway wall??

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This has also spurred me on to actually start construction, probably with the halt platform & wating room. As Perranport Beach Halt platform is actually now at Falmouth Town halt, a visit there to measure & photograph is also on the cards.

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As I'm currently working on the subway at Perranporth,can you remember if the stairs went down in one single straight drop,or was there a middle level section half way down???
  Also,were the floor tiles brown,and do you remember any posters on the subway wall??

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs


As far as I can remember, bearing in mind it was approx 50 years ago plus since I went with my mother to Perranporth on the train, that from ground level (carpark) the subway went in a few yards and then sharp left up the steps to the centre platform, but I will double check with Trevor Minors if there was a middle section.

As for the floor tiles I can't remember, but the walls and the ceiling were definatly white tiles.

I will ask Trevor if he can remember the colour of the floor tiles, if they were tiles.

Can't remember any posters on the walls, just the white tiles.

Picture of the subway entrance coming soon, after the pic of the bridge on Liskey Hill, just before Perranporth Station.

All this suspense.

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Really looking forward to these next few piccies mate.The Liskey hill bridge I do have some reference of from above,but not from track level.Lovely stuff lads!!!

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georgejacksongenius wrote: Really looking forward to these next few piccies mate.The Liskey hill bridge I do have some reference of from above,but not from track level.Lovely stuff lads!!!

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Wow John :shock::shock::shock: I wonder who you know up there ............:roll::roll:   Are we still allowed to call you "John" ? :lol:

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I have not got pics from track level as you can see from the pictures.

This pic shows Liskey Hill Bridge on the Chacewater side. Beach Halt was about 200 yds back from this bridge.
The bridge is also off set from the road, so the track ran under at an angle. The Perranporth side of the bridge is higher than the Beach Halt side.


This Pic is looking over the bridge back towards the Beach Halt.


This is Liskey Hill Bridge on the Perranporth Station side towards Newquay.


Looking over the bridge which is now a house and garden.


Perranporth Station and the subway next stop.

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Here we are at Station Road, Perranporth.

Ahead is the remains of Perranporth Stn Bridge.Go up round the corner and the road comes onto the same level as the now disappeared station.


Industrial units where the station once stood.


This pic shows the road going off to the left before the bridge that would take you into the station carpark and the subway entrance to the station.

The subway entrance is just out of view around the corner on the right behind the car by the factory unit.


These 2 pics show all that remains of Perranporth Station.
This is the blocked up entrance to the subway station steps.

I wonder If the steps and white tiles are still behind the blocks.

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Having spoken to Trevor Miners, the subway steps to the station platform were at right angles on the left just inside the entrance, and went up about 20 steps in a straight line with no wider step half way up, where one could take a breather if necessary.

To the right of the subway looking back down from the platform there was an outside wooden ramp where heavy luggage was slid down to the waiting transport in the car park by the subway entrance.

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          You're an absolute star,and please pass on my thanks to Trevor for the info.I can confidently crack on with this area on the layout now!!!
  Nice one mate.
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I ain't finished yet.

Next bridge on from Perranporth Station is Bolingey Bridge.
This pic is taken with Perranporth Stn to the right.


Here I am up on top of Bolingey Bridge standing on the old track looking back towards Perranporth Stn.
It's all over growen now with just a small pathway for about 25 yards which you can see which I used to get up on the bridge.


Cocks Bridge next, about half a mile further on, and the hidden viaduct.

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Sorry to disappoint you, but Cocks Bridge has been completely taken taken away.
There is nothing left, apart from a bit of what I think is the lower part of the bridge in the hedge which borders on to a property that has been built behind the hedge on the old line towards Goonhavern.

Possibly part of the Cocks Bridge.


This is quite interesting.
I am now walking down a public footpath in Cocks towards Goonhavern, and as you can see it runs beside the old line. Giveaway are the original wooden British Rail fence posts which run beside the line on top of the small enbankment on the left.


Now standing on the old line.

And another shot further on. It's hard to believe that trains once ran through here.


Saw this on on one of the fence posts. does it mean anything?


and

a few red bricks. Possibly from an old ganger's hut?


I have walked about 150 yds on the enbankment, and as you can see it is getting quite thick with overgrown trees etc. The hidden viaduct is about another 100 yds further on, but I can't get through, and will have to get back on the footpath to see it.


Looking back along the footpath.
Wooden rail posts covered in ivy.


Hidden viaduct next.

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That's such a sad sight. :cry::cry:  When you think of all the guys who built that embankment and the excitement for the locals when a train came along.  All those memories will soon be gone forever. :sad:

I wonder why they didn't put the footpath along the old trackbed ? :roll:

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          I think the sign might have been an old gradient marker,but I'm not 100%.
Lovely pictures though.really enjoying this walk with you.
   Here's a new picture I have of Perranporth taken in the last few years of the line;

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Nice picture of the train heading off in the direction of Newquay.
Nice to see the old signal box which I went up in as a lad.

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The Hidden Viaduct.

This viaduct is in the woods near Cocks.
It is very difficult to get a good pics because of the trees etc.


This is the viaduct number.


More pics of viaduct at different angles.










That's all for now until I can do the last bit up to Goonhavern.

No excuses now for building your layouts.

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No problem here, Stu.

Interesting thread and pictures.

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          Superb.These are the only pictures I've ever seen of this viaduct.How many arches are there? Is it as big as the one at Goonbarrow?
          It makes me want to have a root around down there myself next time I'm in God's county!!

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Is it just me, but I can't see the images from the previous post...

Stu

Ah, they are now visible.
I need to go and find this viaduct, it can't be more than a few miles from my house and I've never known about it...

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          Superb.These are the only pictures I've ever seen of this viaduct.How many arches are there? Is it as big as the one at Goonbarrow?
        


I believe it has 3 or 4 arches. Its hard to see because of the undergrowth and trees.

I don't exactly know where Goonbarrow Viaduct is.

The only viaduct I am familiar with is Wheal Liberty Viaduct at Wheal Butson. Some call it Goonbell Viaduct.

I have some unique pics of the Wheal Liberty Viaduct coming soon.

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I walked across the Cocks viaduct with a troop of Cub Scouts back in the early '80's long before it became overgrown. It was in good condition then and safe to walk on.

Stubby - to find it you need to go to Cocks and walk along Cally Lane towards Perranwel where you come out onto the Newquay-Chiverton X road by one of Colin Carter's egg producing units.

Derek

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         Sorry,my bad,I meant Goonbell...................Doh!:roll: Senior Moment.

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I walked across the Cocks viaduct with a troop of Cub Scouts back in the early '80's long before it became overgrown. It was in good condition then and safe to walk on.

Stubby - to find it you need to go to Cocks and walk along Cally Lane towards Perranwel where you come out onto the Newquay-Chiverton X road by one of Colin Carter's egg producing units.

Derek


The way I got to the Cocks Viaduct is I parked the car at Cocks by the lane that goes back towards Bolingey where the now gone railway bridge crossed the road.

On the opposite side of the road there is a public footpath that run in beside a house. Follow this path alongside the old line where I took the pics for about 350 yds, when you will come to a gate/stile. Turn immediatly left after the gate/stile, go down the path for about 100yds. That is where the hidden viaduct is. You don't go as far as the main Chivvey to Newquay Road.

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Manxie wrote: Super D wrote:
I walked across the Cocks viaduct with a troop of Cub Scouts back in the early '80's long before it became overgrown. It was in good condition then and safe to walk on.

Stubby - to find it you need to go to Cocks and walk along Cally Lane towards Perranwel where you come out onto the Newquay-Chiverton X road by one of Colin Carter's egg producing units.

Derek


The way I got to the Cocks Viaduct is I parked the car at Cocks by the lane that goes back towards Bolingey where the now gone railway bridge crossed the road.

On the opposite side of the road there is a public footpath that run in beside a house. Follow this path alongside the old line where I took the pics for about 350 yds, when you will come to a gate/stile. Turn immediatly left after the gate/stile, go down the path for about 100yds. That is where the hidden viaduct is. You don't go as far as the main Chivvey to Newquay Road.


Thanks Gents.

I've just compared my OS Explorer Map (#104) with images from Google Earth and know exactly where you are talking about. On Google Earth you can see the two parapets of the viaduct and there are two photos of the bridge too.

I might just have to have a wander out there next weekend (plus I need to go back to Shepherds to measure up the bridge supports - this time taking some wellies to wear...)

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I was told today by a British Rail worker that a fleeting glimps Cocks Viaduct can be seen from the main Chiverton to Newquay Road only in the winter after the leaves have fallen.

I have never noticed it myself when driving, but if you ain't looking for it, then you don't see it.

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Allow me to share my latest Ebay purchase.A scale map of Perranporth drawn by the GWR in 1946 when the water crane was scheduled for refurbishment.
  No more excuses for things being out of kilter now!!!:roll:
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What a find!........Just a pity I didn't have it before I started building the layout!!

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Brilliant!
I wonder how many thousands of useful documents have gone to the tip?

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 Bet they went years ago......either that or some lucky beggar's got em framed up in his living room!

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Some of those old drawings are wonderful.

 

I've got a large framed drawing of Bradford Westgate drawn by BR's draughting office.  It's amazing - given to me by a guy who worked there for many years.

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Sorry I have not posted the unique pics of the Wheal Liberty Viaduct as promised, but watch this space.

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Before I post the pics of the Wheal Liberty Viaduct, I have just purchased 3 very early Triang Train Sets, which I am going to build up.

I am using the old grey moulded track, the same as what I had as a boy over 50 years ago.

But what I am looking for are the outer radius curves part No.R106. I need about 12. Can anyone help?

Also what type of steam engine was commonly used on the Chacewater to Newquay Line during the 1950/60s?

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            Prior to the diesel railcars,there was the GWR small prairies(45xx class)and before them in the very early days of the line,the steam railcars were in use.
           In the 50s/60s 45xx prairies and the occasional pannier tank were the steamers used,but the diesel railcars took over passenger duties in the last few years of the line.

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Hi there - I am posting here because my great x 2 grandfather was a labourer/plate layer on this branch in the WW1 era. This has been a fascinating journey along the line! I have in my possession this family photograph of Mitchell and Newlyn Halt in 1915 which may be of interest (an earlier post showed the other side of the pagoda hut on stilts). Also note the different layout of the name on the name sign to the later one. My great, great grandfather Thomas Berryman is third from the left and was about 60 years old at the time.

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Firstly,welcome to YMR, and many,many thanks for posting this fantastic picture of your ancestor and his pals in the early days of the line.
 I really do need to get my act together and finish off the story of the line,as I've still got plenty of material to add.
Likewise,I need to get cracking on with my layout based on Perranporth.You may just have given me the kick up the bum that I need!:lol:
 If you have any other pictures,or info,please feel free to post them up,because I'm learning all the time with every new picture or story I hear. Exhibiting my layout as a work-in-progress at the Kernow/YMR show in 2010 got me into several interesting conversations with people who had stories about their relatives' relationships with this grand old line.

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I know I have been away for a long time, but for the last 12 months I have been building my own nostalgic model railway.
http://www.modelrailforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25648&st=75

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Has George Jackson Genius finished his Perranporth Station Layout???

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Looks like this thread has sadly died since I have been away.

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Its not dead folks.........merely sleeping!!:roll:(Sounds like a Goon Show link....)
   I promise to finish not only this thread off with more pics etc,but also to finish the damn layout that has also been having a right good kip!I must admit to losing a bit of my modelling mojo where Perranporth (the layout),has been concerned.
  So stay tuned........meanwhile if anyone else has any photos or stories regarding the line,please feel free to post them,the more info the better.
Words and images will be drizzled out onto this thread between now and Christmas,I swear!!!
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Hiya Marty,
                   I've not been posting too much lately because I've actually begun work on a new layout in my daughter's old room.I'm actually running trains on this one!!
 I'll get a thread started on it as soon as I can get around to it,its Great Western and LMS 1930s mainline roundy roundy,and its great having a dedicated room,or man-cave,as I call it!
 I keep looking in to see how all the old gang are doing and keep up to date with whats going on.Its hard to keep track these days with so many new members and layouts,but there are some real crackers on here now.
 Keep an eye out for the new thread mate.

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Hi John,
Great to see back posting and with a new railway and room to boot.
Model mojo is a damn elusive thing. One moment its all over you then seems to drift away like a puff of smoke.
Maybe some super glue will help us.

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Late than Never.

Here are the pictures I promised you ages ago.

They are pics of the Wheal Liberty Viaduct at Wheal Butson, Nr,Goonbell.

I managed to get myself up and onto the viaduct.

Pic 1. Looking down the viaduct towards Goonbell Halt.


Pic 2. Viaduct Number.


Pic 3. Looking out towards the cottage where my mother lived as a young girl 1935 - 1947.


Pic 4. A closer view of where my mum lived using the zoom lense.


Pic 5. Looking back towards Mithian.

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Smashing Manxie!!........And well worth the wait too,lovely pics!!!Thanks mate!

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Did you ever finish your Perranporth Stn layout?

Below are some pics of my 60 year old Triang layout.










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Hi Manxie,
                  Perranporth is in a state of hibernation at the mo'.but come the warmer weather.........I';m itching to get back at it.I've neglected it for far too long.Watch this space,as they say....

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs
P.S.Cracking layout by the way.Which one are you in the photos???

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I am the good looking one behind the camera!!

Hurry up and finish your Perranporth layout. before Dr.Beeching makes a re-appearance and ban's you from doing so!!!!

Last edited on Fri Jan 24th, 2014 10:36 pm by Manxie

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Just bumping this thread for the benefit of our new member.And I will be adding more to it in the coming months.

Cheers,John.B.:thumbs

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I thought that new topic would make you stick your head above the parapet John!



Looking forward to to the update.


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Hi everyone


I m a new member, just joined after seeing this thread on Perranporth. I too have been captured by the magic of this line and hope to amass enough information to make a stab at a reasonable model of Perranporth station its self. So a big thank you to all who have contributed to this thread its been such a mine of information!


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