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 Posted: Fri Mar 5th, 2021 06:33 am
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Hi All.  Certified access routes in depots are usually Asphalt/ Tarmac, but cardboard doesn’t do it for me. Is there a way to achieve the results without cardboard.   Best wishes Kevin 



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Hi Kevin, I use black 'sandpaper' grade P1200 for the streets of Wombat Creek. 



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Hi Claus.  Thank you for your reply. What adhesive do you use for that.   Best wishes Kevin



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Further to Claus suggestion, I usually use fine grit (1200 preferred) belt sander rolls, for paths, roads, platforms, as they come in a few different colours if necessary I use a rattle can of grey undercoat.



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Passed Driver wrote: Hi Claus.  Thank you for your reply. What adhesive do you use for that.   Best wishes Kevin
I use corflute sheets to raise the surface of the streets so they level the top of the rails. Therefore I can't use PVA glue (won't stick to corflute). Instead I use a contact adhesive. I think PVA glue will be fine if you glue the sandpaper onto cardboard or a wooden base.



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Hi Kevin,
Picture framers here get their foam core delivered separated by very thin sheets of a foam which I have used for decking my foam core platforms as an asphalt type appearance. It has no other recycle value so here they are glad to give it to me and I have used it for roadways, paths, round house floors...

I just glue it with PVA then paint it an appropriate greyish tone, similar to what I remember when I worked at Mile End Diesel Depot and Peterborough in South Australia...

I would assume you have a similar product available in the UK... 

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Hi Trevor.  Thank you very much. I will have to look into that. I am on catch up at the time of writing, backscenes, Ballasting, weathering , so much to think about.    Best wishes Kevin 



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I'll have to look into that as well!



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I'm experimenting with a variation of the real thing, yup a mini pot of hot bitumen, mixed with micro crushed stone, poured on and rollered ou. . . ???? Yeah ok not really  ;-)

  What I'm actually experimenting with is shed roof felt, I rescued a part roll of thin, cheap shed roof felt heading into a skip.  It's 1 mtr wide, thin and,  well it's bitumen mixed with crushed lime or sand on a roll !

Cuts with a Stanley knife and as its a 1 mtr wide roll you can cut out curved strips for roads or pavements, or use a large sheet of it to create a bigger area, like a car park,  or goods yard floor etc. If you want a new surface look, lay as is and lightly weather to your desired coloring, if a warn look then start distressing it and use a blunt blade to scrape away some of the rough surface to create a warn, damaged potholed look, cut holes in it if you want puddles 

One side is rough ( but not too rough) the other smoother so I'm trying rough for road surface etc and smoother for pavement, footpath etc.

It gives a good starting base that you can work on to get the desired look. For a yard area/ abandoned sidings,  I'm going to try weathering a piece with real coal dust and Ashe ( the benefits of a real fire  :thumbs) and then piles of ash plus rubbish and weeds etc

The only thing to note is at first it does shed loose grit so give it a good going over with a stiff brush to remove some of the loose stuff and make sure you collect this up to glue some  anywhere you want piles of gravel or a more uneven surface 

So far I've glued a couple of test pieces down using spray adhesive which seems ok ( its not getting much stress ) and will spray over with hairspray to help stop it shedding more grit

I've used some pieces to surface a couple of  temporary platforms so the grandkids have somewhere to stop trains till i get a chance to build some proper ones and they don't look that bad  :thumbs


Love it when I can recycle stuff heading for the skip, but actually a cheap roll of it would give you a lifetimes supply  :cool wink

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That's a near trick Matt, with the added benefit that if it's a bitumen based felt, like the ones we used on our sheds yonks ago, it'll also smell like a real tarmac road !
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Bill after I've had a glass or two of Red tonight with my mixed Grill I MAY go out to the shed and sniff the 'Road' 
 although should I heat it gently with A blow tourch to simulate the sun warming the tarmac ???

I'll POSSIBLY report my findings later  :mutley

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It will be interesting to see how the felt copeswith temperature fluctuations..................... :hmm

In 12 inches to the foot use, one day it's tight as a drum then, as soon as the sun comes out, it takes on the appearance of some slobber-chops dog with far too much surplus skin........................ :shock:



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I have tried everything from Metcalfe to bare ply i.e. baseboard.

My current preference is Woodland Scenics Road system. The plaster is quite forgiving of my amateurish workmanship. They call it smoothit but I'm sure there must be similar products around. Their Tarmac paint is easy to apply. I also found that the getting different shades of tarmac happened by my just touching the surface and extra coats.

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I've not seen ANY expansion or contraction yet Peter ? Alright I only started using it last year, but I've seen nothing so far
Mind you I live in Scotland. . . Sun ??? Whats that ????   Ok . . . .ok we MAY have had the odd heatwave ( well the Sun DID come out once ??)  But we don't get the temperature changes that YOU see.   I THINK in the small sizes we are talking about it will be no different than your expansion / contraction in wood/ track that YOU see  ?

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Hi Claus.  Yet another reply. I had purchased a fine grade of “ sandpaper “ which arrived in a very tightly rolled, so tightly rolled, that I am doubtful that it would ever lay flat, either for the job in question or it’s proper use. Another drawback of the lockdown. Best wishes Kevin



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On my previous layout I put in some kerbing (Metcalfe I think) and then cut a piece of card slightly wider than the road so it formed a camber because I don't think the flat surface looks real enough and no I'm not a perfectionist, for from it. You'd have to be careful when it comes to bends in the road.



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Hi Peterm.  Thank you for your reply.  You may have possibly read, me and scenery “ rare as hens teeth “ ,as I have been happy playing trains. And on a four foot by fourteen inch plank there isn’t much space.  Best wishes Kevin 



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Hi Kevin
I am new to this forum and would like to share my way of producing tarmac surfaces with you.
For roads and paths I paint 2 to 3 coats of Woodlands Scenic Asphalt top coat on cork underlay and then weather with PecoScene Road Surface weathering powder.
My platform surface is also tarmac and for this I have used 1.5mm thick black plastikard and roughed up the surface with 120 grade glass paper. This gives a very nice dark grey texture.
Hope this is of use to you.
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Hi Longie.  Thank you for your reply. I will try your ideas as soon as I can. Best wishes Kevin 



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That looks really good Graham - something to keep for future reference when I start my road building.  :thumbs



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