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 Posted: Fri Jun 26th, 2020 10:45 am
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Hi Nigel,

you're spot on re the RAF base and the factories, I knew them well from my walks from home down Winterstoke Rd towards Hutton and beyond. Once I saw a kingfisher up close on one of the minor rhynes right next to the factories. Vivid memories from 55 yrs ago. Another plus of those walks was a chance to spot thru expresses on the main line.

Sadly I know very little about Clevedon, never visited it when young (or older) so the personal connection is missing. Also I'm looking for a reason to let me run my WCPR stock into my mythical Westown setting, which bears a passing resemblance to W-s-M so the present backstory will have to stand.

Since WCPR remains a virtual railway in my hands, only the connected part into Westown will see operating traffic. Better than no operations at all.

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Petermac wrote: and .........................................................?  :hmm :hmm :hmm 

Go on - Somerset gained independence after Britain was invaded by the Italians.............

:mutley :mutley :mutley
Correction... after the Italians left in AD 410



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I'd forgotten about those Italians .............. :mutley :mutley :mutley



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Terrier - Decision's Made!

The "on again off again" saga of the Terrier finally is resolved. To operate on Westown, my Terrier will need a Stay Alive (SA) and I've learnt that the pretty Dapol model (release still pending) has an interior so tight there's no access to do anything other than plug in a DCC chip to the 18 pin socket. Combined with various other problems they've had, I've settled for keeping my old tooling Hornby and making the best of what I have. "Sows Ear" here I come.

First up, improved operation was a "must-have". Adding the usual wire wipers under the keeper plate made a big difference, the supplied wipers not being up to the job. Basically the same as shown for 2779 and 4869 over on W-H. Next the DCC and SA. I needed a small chip which would support a SA and a ZIMO MX622 became "free" when I converted 6424 to Sound. This gave me a 6 pin socket which I used to mount the chip in the cab with the SACC SA circuitry perched in front, (the top of what I assume is the reversing lever peeks out from behind). All the 1870uF storage fit easily in the bunker once I'd stripped it down. This was 7 * 200uF Tantalums and a 470uF standard electrolytic capacitor.




Testing this combination gave excellent results over all my points.

Next some cosmetics; the ultra chunky cab hand rails were replaced by 0.45mm wire, the rear over-scale porthole grills cut out and replaced by brass grills and finally we have a crew.


As noted earlier by Col Stephens there are still several deficiencies with this model, not all of which are within my ability to rectify. An improved coal load, some additional piping and fittings are still to come but now we're ready to roll.



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Terrier DCC Install - Mark 2

There was a problem with my Mark 1 effort; I put the DCC Chip in the cab because I felt there wasn't enough room forward as the old style motor took up a lot of room in the boiler/ tank area. This left me having various wires running back and forth, from pickups to chip and back to motor. Just too many wires getting in the way of putting it all together - end result was the cab end was sitting too high by a mm with all the wires lurking under the floor.


Then by pure chance, various comments on sound over on Longchap's topic led to Sol telling us about MaxSouthOz's Terrier 2009 DCC Sound install where he put the chip on top of the motor!

A morning exploring options convinced me it'd work for my Terrier, basically the same old Hornby tooling as Sol's. Here it is with the DCC chip sitting above the motor and the much tidier wiring now possible.




Now the only wires that head back to the cab from the Chip are the two for the Stay alive (not installed in pic) with the capacitors as before, hidden away in the bunker.

There seems to be less room in my model than reported by Max and I think a 5mm sound chip would be a step too far, but there is room now in the cab for a speaker if the need arose.



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Detailing the Hornby Terrier

Decision made, it was time to do some serious research on the various shortcomings of the ancient Hornby release. Thanks to my contacts at the WC&P Railway group and the BBC film about the railway I've some very useful images of how WC&PR #4 was configured.

This was important because it seems there were almost as many Terrier variants as there were locos with various Railways making their own modifications, particularly after the A1 was converted to the A1X (1911-13 according to Wikipedia). WC&PR #4 was previously "ASHSTEAD" #53 then #2653 on the LBSCR and then Southern Railway but the only photo I've found of it predates the A1X conversion. I was hopeful that the new Dapol model might have captured the correct details for #4 but it too lacks some critical components clearly visible on the original locomotive. Unfortunately I can't include a photo of the still-to-be-released Dapol but anyone interested can find an image easily with Prof Google's help.

Below shows my Terrier as purchased compared to the left and right side views of #4




Reproduced with the Permission of Weston-super-Mare Library and the WC&PR Group

Blue items on the originals' images mark the various omissions from the Hornby model, echoed by red arrows on its image. In addition 3 purple arrows highlight very crude moldings on the original, there are more, the rear spectacles grills were of ferocious strength!

In addition I found very helpful 3D animation images of #81 BEULAH here:

http://victoryworksts.blogspot.com/2017/01/lb-a1a1x-terriers-a1x-so-what-changed.html

which allowed me to fill in the information gaps between end sections of piping visible on the original loco, specifically on the boiler top. One major thing I cannot fix are the sandboxes located over the front wheel arches. From my modest efforts butchering cutting thru the rear porthole bars it quickly became clear that the thick tough bodywork was beyond careful cutting (by me) let alone then making good and matching painting /lining.

There were three main tasks:
  1. prepare and install all the missing Copper piping and fittings
  2. Rework the coal bunker top and rear spectacles / grills
  3. Other detailing: tall SR corner lamp irons, central lamp irons front and rear and the ubiquitous empty bucket perched on a rear iron, almost a WC&PR icon as it is seen in nearly every shot / clip I've got!
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Detailing - Part 1  - Preparing and installing all the missing Copper piping and fittings

My big Parcel from Eileen's brought me all nearly all the Brass wire sizes I needed for the job from the thinnest handrail up to 1mm. Some bendable 1.5mm rod was needed for the two main pipes which are only of short length. Then the reality of getting a realistic copper look dawned upon me but my past chemistry training came in useful, all I needed was a home electroplating setup. Easily done, some Copper Sulphate, a clean piece of copper as the anode and the brass sample as the cathode. It worked a charm, with the wire turning a nice pink in no time.

This shows a small section, it was that last one done connecting boiler top to cab. Once removed and washed off, the reduced copper quickly oxidises back to a most convincing aged look.



 

A bigger tank was set up for the longer / bigger pieces using more CuSO4 and a much bigger anode of thin Cu sheet. For some reason impurities in this first setup kept depositing a black fine powder as well as the copper but the end result was even more realistic once this was wiped off!











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A silk purse indeed.....well done Colin
I particularly like the copper plating......took me right back to ‘O’ level Chemistry!

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Terrier Detailing - Part 2  - Bunker Coal Rails and Rear Spectacles

With guidance from some excellent close up photos of the Bunker on #55 "STEPNEY" (Bluebell Railway), I took on the tasks of replacing the existing heavy duty bunker top and the rear grilled windows.

The photo shows the progression of the changes as follows from top left:

1) Cutting out the existing window grill bars which were nearly 2mm thick, not an easy job to avoid damage
2) The new Bunker top installed (trial) with some grilled Spectacles tested. After taking this shot I found that the locos had exterior grills on top of plain spectacle windows.
3) Shows a second trial with the new customised grills and spectacles, again in test positions to ensure the coal rails module would fit over them
4) shows the finished job complete with coal load.

These modest changes contribute to a significant improvement in the look of the rear of the Terrier 






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Just a shot to show the completed job




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Hi Colin,

Nice work. I thought you would addressed the steam valve top.

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Thanks, John, Nigel.

I agree. Regarding the Steam top valves, known as Salter Valves as I've learnt, they do stand out like a sore thumb now. I'd parked that issue for lack of suitable resources as we are in lock-down here and my friend with lathe and better tools is beyond my reach at present.

I've some excellent photos resources to work from when the time comes.

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Salter Valves for WC&PR No 4

Hard to believe I've posted nothing here for 5 weeks (in which time WC&PR slipped down to page 3 of recent posts which is witness to all the activity going on here :lol:)

To tackle the job of replacement Salter Valves for WC&PR No 4 I was keen to get some better input on the valves as they appear on the new gen of Terrier models. Now I have it:




This helpful photo of Hornby Terrier R3812 shows what a fine job they've done in the detailing department. From this I've been able to get accurate measurements of the valves, the vertical central section containing the springs being 0.75mm at scale (57mm full size or around 2 1/4in). No way can I replicate the detail shown and I do believe at ~80 quid the Hornby model is VG value. Fortunately my eyes are more forgiving and a more modest effort on the WC&PR loco will match the standard of my other work.

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Salter Valves fitted- WC&PR No 4

A few sections of brass rod were all that was required to put together my replacement valves. Still some holes to fill and tidying up to do but No 4 is nearing completion.





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Excellent modelling Colin - that's a brilliant looking loco.

How does it perform in terms of pulling power ?



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Looking good Colin.

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Love it Colin. Spectacular.

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Petermac wrote: Excellent modelling Colin - that's a brilliant looking loco.

How does it perform in terms of pulling power ?

Thanks Peter,

Given it's based on an old design and has a cheap motor it's not bad. I had it pulling 10 weighted wagons with no noticeable difficulty but then I don't have gradients. WC&PR stock will get only occasional operating rights on W-H and the trains were all modest in size anyway so pulling power is not a concern.

I'll admit it is probably inferior to my tiny Peckett but that punches way above it's weight.

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Kit building begins

I thought I'd start with a warm up, a simple 3 plank wagon from Slaters to get a feel for the job ahead. I've already given a fair bit of background on the WC&PR wagons back in Post #9 (p1). This shows the target, MR D305; Drg 213 from 1887



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  Most of the WC&PR 3 plank wagons were old MR stock which became surplus when they updated the initial design with several minor changes. The Slaters kit (Drg 1143) captures most of these changes and so needs backdating to become a Drg 213. Fortunately for me these were easy modifications:
  • The Buffer Head-stocks of Dia 213 were extended and sloping, effectively incorporating the door stop blocks as "built in"
  • 8A grease axle-boxes vs a later 10A model
  • Brakes / brake lever only on one side
  • A re-positioned number-plate
The first two were easy; 1) some 0.75mm Plasticard glued to the existing Head-stocks and shaped once set; 2) a few careful snips to reshape the axle-boxes (fortunate I didn't need to go the other way!)

The braking system was easy as the majority is added during the kit build, the number-plate I assumed was either removed or painted over at WC&PR so I did the latter. Mission accomplished.

The kit was a very easy build, hardly a challenge. Now I'm into finishing stages and I'll post photos when complete.



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