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Hi all.   Here I am looking at more Hornby stock, although I am not  a collector, I am not even a member of the  Hornby club . I can run trains but the boards are bare except for brown paint and the minimum of amount of ballasting. The particular Loco I am considering does look a bit peculiar as if they had to Bodge the bodywork, when the foreman was on leave? Have any forum readers bothered with the Q1 ? And has anyone got an opinion about the Loco that is printable? Best wishes Kevin 

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I try to avoid the Q1 Kevin - to me, it's a locomotive they forgot to finish !!

Probably designed and built on a Friday afternoon...……………………..

I suppose to you "Southerners", it's a thing of beauty ……………..

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Well, certainly not a thing of beauty, but curiously interesting from a workmanlike perspective.

At least it's black Peter!

There's plenty of them about Kevin, so you enjoy it if you wish. Will you go for Southern or BR?

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Hi Petermac.  Thank you for your reply. It would be probably be best to let it pass as another fad, until I have been given the all clear from the Hospital, and get the baseboard scenery done, but I have got a lot of time on my hands taking it easy, all I can do is think about it. Best wishes Kevin 

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Hi Bill. Thank you for your reply. That is a very good question. Hornby are good at giving Loco collectors what they want, but when it comes down to carriages not so. and the modellers have to “cut and shut “, or repaint the correct livery. I do have some Hornby carriages of a non descriptive design that would do?  Best wishes Kevin  

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Hi Kevin

It has good reviews. Only aesthetic issue is that without a running plate/splashers and external cylinders the under-gauge OK wheels become very obvious. Buffer beam looks to be too narrow as well. Ran from 1942-1966, so lots of modeling opportunity - freight to secondary passenger. Ideal for a small layout. 


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Hi Nigel. Thank you for your reply . I did read that Hornby missed a chance at retooling the Q1, but I hadn’t realised how much had been left out.. I don’t imagine that Bachmann or anyone else would pick up the baton and run with it although both manufacturer's had a go at the class 71 electric Loco. With so much missing I cannot imagine why it received so many good reviews. Best wishes kevin 

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d9/e3/46/d9e34692771185e5890d2ad1c27dd651.jpg

Only a mother could love her child......

but it looks a powerful brute for an 0-6-0......

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Hi Kevin
Well naturally I have one!!  I think this is the first time I have been able to comment on my rolling stock!  It is a good little runner, easy to add the DCC chip and easy to service.  I can't vouch for the accuracy of it as a model of the real loco, but it looks the part for me and I love it.

It is typical SR functionalism:if it was a dog, it would win nothing at Cruft's but it might pick up a novelty prize at the local village dog show.  I like to think that they took off everything that was superfluous rather than they didn't finish it...

I could imagine it becoming a good base for the new Steampunk range.... which may put you off it!

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Headmaster wrote: ……………………………………………………………. easy to add the DCC chip …………………………….

I'll say !!  Don't you just strap the chip on top ?  It would add to the charm of the rest of the bodywork ………….

It can hardly claim to have come out of the design houses in Milan ………….Scunthorpe maybe but not Milan !!!

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I guess looks was not a consideration for the Q1 but functionality instead...

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Hi Ron.  Thank you for your reply. It’s just like me then, not built for looks and now that I have left my “Three score and ten years “behind me ??? Who knows what next ? But is it a good buy and easy to fit in a DCC decoder. Best wishes Kevin 

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Hi Kevin, as I posted above, it is a good runner and very easy to fit aDCC chip.  One small screw to remove the body and the the chip sits nicely on top, with plenty of room for it.... couldn't be easier!
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Hi Michael.  Thank you for your reply. It depends on the Hornby Q1 suitability for a DCC decoder, and because of it being a Southern Loco whether or not I buy one, and of course a good price would help persuade me .  Best wishes Kevin 

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They seem to be out of production, although plentiful secondhand. However I see a theme on Hattons site, as all appear to suffer from Michael Cane syndrome, as at least all the ''bloody doors'' have been blown off!

https://www.hattons.co.uk/stocklist/siteresults.aspx?searchfield=Hornby%20Q1

I would ask traditional model shops if they have a new one still in stock, this having proved sucessful for me on several occasions.

Bill

Appologies for taking liberties in miss-quoting from The Italian Job!

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They appear to have one new one left Bill

https://www.hattons.co.uk/250836/hornby_r3559_class_q1_0_6_0_c24_in_southern_railway_wartime_black/stockdetail.aspx

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Well spotted Ed, I missed that one!
Back to my wall tiling, as I said I would finish it before I leave for the UK  next week for a model rail exhibition. 

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Hi Bill.  I have purchased a pre owned Loco in the past, but I would rather go there in “ Person “ if I purchased another one I would admit they do tell you if something is broken. Best wishes Kevin 

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Hi Ed. Thank you for joining in. and pointing out the paint details, because Southern “wartime black” wouldn’t fit in. I have read that BR(S) did retain the Southern livery on the Loco though. At least for a while. Best wishes Kevin 

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I'm a bit late to this convo - however I have 6 x Q1's in my inventory. 33002/33009/33013/33015/3017/33020

All are excellent runners, they and can pull more than a 9F given the opportunity.


They breeze around my layout without a hiccup when others stutter and splutter.

Down side, is the Cabin doors and the ladders are easily broken/lost. However loosing them isn't the end of the world, most people don't even notice until its pointed out!

I was apprehensive at first buying my 1st one as there where only 2 or 3 reviews on the model at the time (all good news) and I took a chance, never regretted it.

As for the asthetics of the Q1 you either love 'em or hate 'em! For me it was love at first sight! I love the peculiar and off beat mechanical things. 

The actual drivers of these machines were very surprised with the pulling power, and ability to be used in freight as well as passenger services during and after WW2, bore them an excellent reputation. They were affectionately called "Coffee Pots" &"Ugly Ducklings"  to name a couple, needless to say the names weren't exactly becoming either.

Only 40 were built in reality, so Hornby modelling so many variants (15 as far as I am aware) is homage to their popularity. 


Models have running numbers as follows:

C8   Pristine - no oil lube crank
C21 Pristine - no oil lube crank
C24 Pristine - no oil lube crank


C = number of driven axles (C=3)


1948 (Nationalisation) onwards they were given new running numbers]


  33001 Was a Ltd Edition of 250 for Rails 
*33002 Factory Weathered
  33005 Pristine - no oil lube crank 
  33006 Factory Weathered
*33009 Factory Weathered
*33013 Pristine
*33015 Factory Weathered
*33017 Pristine
*33020 Factory Weathered
  33023 Pristine - no oil lube crank
  33032 Pristine
  33037 Pristine

The first loco entered service in January 1938
The last 3 Locos to be scrapped were 33006/20/27 in 1966
 
Hope the above info is helpful in picking out a wonderful running loco that will give you years of pleasure.


* = my own stock 

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Looking at those cab doors, I'm not surprised they come adrift.  They look to be real "air scoops" in those Hatton's shots.

"Ugly" is true but to liken them to a duckling is an insult to ducks !!

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Phat Controller wrote: I'm a bit late to this convo - however I have 6 x Q1's in my inventory. 33002/33009/33013/33015/3017/33020


Well certainly not a mother to love them so much, so you must be an engineer Tony.

They certainly were most useful locomotives and appear reliable as well, so probably a good model choice, even though the doors blow off!

Bill

''I said just blow the bloody doors off, not the steps as well!"

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[highlight= rgb(255, 255, 238);]Phat 
The first loco entered service in January 1938
The last 3 Locos to be scrapped were 33006/20/27 in 1966
 
 


Q class (Maunsell) was 1938. Essentially a Collett Goods, including a Belpaire boiler. BR rating F4. Q1 (Bulleid) was 1942. BR rating F5. Chalk and cheese. And only ever painted black. 

Bullied finished the Q class build when Maunsell retired, didn't like it, when more were needed in WW2 the Q1 was the result. Bit light in weight, needed fitted freight for long trains.

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Hi Nigel. Thank you for your reply.  I don’t imagine that Hornby have thought about different numbers to differentiate between them. Another DIY Job for anyone that would would be bothered by it. Best wishes Kevin 

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you are so right Nigel I got my Q's mixed up!!


                 

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