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I am keen to hand craft a set of Coronation Scot coaches to go with the maroon loco I have just purchased. I would love to build the 9 car train but I am having problems finding drawings for these. Can anyone help me with drawings that I can use to build the models?

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Hi Robyn,

Try the LMS Society.

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The Railway Modeller carried an article in the Feb 2002 edition discussing conversions in 2mm from Lima vehicles.  I am in the throes of moving house so do not have access to the articles but they may have diagrams.

Another option would be the Jenkinson/Essery book LMS Coaches.

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Thank you for the suggestions, I have had a look at the LMS society and can't see the drawings for the coaches on their drawings list. So far all my attempts on the internet have come up with nothing other than some photos of the Hornby models. I believe there are some drawings in the book by Jenkinson and Essery but the price to purchase one of these books is pretty high here in Australia. I will try and locate a copy of the magazine you have suggested and see if that is of help.

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Robyn, I have asked a BRMA member here in South Aust if he can help in anyway locating that info.



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Sol wrote: Robyn, I have asked a BRMA member here in South Aust if he can help in anyway locating that info.Thank you Sol, I was a member of BRMA a few years ago. I appreciate any help I can get.

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Robyn, my mate replied to me while he was at the the Air Show here in Adelaide

For something like this maybe me. I have the 3 volume set of Essery and Jenkinson's work on coaches and the original single volume. Will have a look when I get home. Just leaving the air show not far from you!



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Sol wrote: Robyn, my mate replied to me while he was at the the Air Show here in Adelaide

For something like this maybe me. I have the 3 volume set of Essery and Jenkinson's work on coaches and the original single volume. Will have a look when I get home. Just leaving the air show not far from you!
Thank you Sol, I have been looking at the books on the net but they never have a list of what coaches are in each volume. A big thank you to your friend as well.Robyn

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Sol wrote: My mate has sent you an e-mail Robyn.Thank you Sol, we have been in discussion and I am sure he can help me out. I guess I should do a step by step on this forum about building the coaches, I may get some really good suggestions on construction and the detailing. Watch this space.Robyn

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Hi Robyn,

Wizard Models has I think the full range of stock needed (full kit or just the sides to go on Bachmann Stanier coaches). £££ though, ~£400 for the 9 coach kit set, ~£110 for all the sides. This is the Comet range of etches, lots of underframe details available as well. The etched kits or sides from Comet are usually spot on, being taken from the original diagrams where possible. Sides come preformed as well. No bending.

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Thank you for the information Nigel, as you probably know I love to hand craft models and I guess this will be a challenge I will enjoy. The other reason is the cost to buy such a set is a bit beyond me at the moment. Hornby did release a 3 car set to go with the maroon loco and they were GBP 63  but they are no longer available. Robyn

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Hi Robyn,

I have read about and seen some interesting conversions using the Dapol.LMS Stanier coach kits and brass etch sides. The kits are old tooling so additional detail needed. Cheaper than a full kit, and less than a rtr coach. Correct length though. The dining car looks...interesting. 12 wheeler?

What are you planning? Plastic or metal? Tumblehomes are not easy in plastic.

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BCDR wrote: Hi Robyn,

I have read about and seen some interesting conversions using the Dapol.LMS Stanier coach kits and brass etch sides. The kits are old tooling so additional detail needed. Cheaper than a full kit, and less than a rtr coach. Correct length though. The dining car looks...interesting. 12 wheeler?

What are you planning? Plastic or metal? Tumblehomes are not easy in plastic.

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Hi Nigel, This is all quite new for me as I am mostly an Australian prototype modeller and have an enormous library of information about Aussie trains. I find hand crafting models quite easy and it is a way of getting a model cheaper than purchasing models or kit bashing. The other issue we have here in Australia is finding donor coaches in order to kit bash as so many second hand items are now selling up to 5 times their original price probably reflecting the current prices of new items. I will be making the models in styrene and due to this material being a thermoplastic it should be easy to create the tumblehome, I hope. I will do a construction diary on this forum to show how I am building the models and hopefully there may be some feedback from other modellers.Robyn

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Hi Robyn,

Styrene when cast or injection molded wants to keep its shape. Creating a tumblehome means either bending and gluing or filing/sanding to shape. You could use a former and heat treat in very hot water, but there are issues keeping windows and doors undistorted. I tried using styrene some years ago to make a left handed guards 3rd coach (GWR Centennial series). Got a much better result with brass sides.

Are you going to use a 2D cutter or hand scalpel? If you do the CAD for a 2D cutter you might consider sending it off for brass etching. 

You have my admiration - 9 coaches including the dining car is a lot of work. Especially the insides.

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Hello Robyn,
I found this that may be of help to you,

Regards

Trevor

http://www.marcmodels.co.uk/Picture%20Gallery%20-%20Drawings.html

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My Coronation Scot loco arrived on Friday and once opened I was a little surprised at the colour, now don't get me wrong I am sure it is correct but I had thought it was a tad brighter. I have considered my options on hand crafting the coaches and here is what I have come up with utilising my sign and screen printing trades:
OPTION 1 :  The coaches are flush sided with very little recess at the windows. I could cut a thin .5mm side using styrene but a better idea might be to do what I have done for a friend many years ago and that is to screen print the coach sides on to a clear substrate. This was very successful for the O scale coaches I did and it was quite effective as a completed model. This means that all the detail would be complete such as the lining and lettering etc.

Option 2: I have also looked at screen printing sign vinyl and then applying that to the clear substrate.

The main difference between the two options is the fact that sign vinyl does shrink over time and this could mean a lot more work to repair later on, so I am looking more towards screen printing the clear substrate direct. The coach ends and the underframe and internal seating would be easy enough to do in styrene. I am thinking of doing the 1937 coach set rather than the articulated set.

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This is part of the working file I did for the O scale coach sides I printed. From this I created colour separations and had positives made for each colour these were then used to set up the screens. The black section at the top is for an opaque ink print put down as a base due to the transparency of the burgandy colour. Hopefully this same method will work for my coaches.

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