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Burrowby Underhill in 009.?









I was just been browsing the various forums, as you do when you've nowt better to do, :lol: and I was looking at the exhibition calendar on the 009 website and got a real shock:roll:.





 Some where in the back of my mind I thought that the imminent East Midlands Groups exhibition was jangling warning bells.  I normally visit this exhibition because it is reasonably near where I live, and Roger Budd the co-organiser, visits our 009 Yorkshire group meetings near Doncaster occasionally, usually looking for willing modellers prepared to travel to Mansfield with there layout, my last visit was to exhibit Knottworthy, although of course this is an 0/16.5, 7mm narrow gauge layout.





Any way, I must have promised Roger that I would bring my 009 Rabbit layout to the show, now as some of you might know, I have been engrossed in the Knottworthy alterations since its visit to the Pudsey show with a friend from the 009 group who came along to help me on the day, he jokingly pointed out several disparities in the running of the Knottworthy layout, ie. it had very little operator interest really, hence my acceptance of his criticism prompting the ongoing alterations now underway to the Knottworthy layout.




 Some years back, I once promised Roger that I would take a layout to the Mansfield show, this would have been with Glen Ogle. I had to cry off because of one of my many visits to hospital for something or other, and I while convalescing, I subsequently gave the layout away, thinking I would never be in a position to venture onto the exhibition circuit in the near future, so no one ever did see it in the flesh so to speak.  When I read that Brian Twigg was going to show his UNAMED 009 layout in the pre show blurb on the 009 events page, I was in a real panic.:shock:



 The layout has languished in my garage for the last four or five years as I worked on Glen Ogle and then Knottworthy, and as such, has suffered from building damage, which I knew about, but I thought I had only to connect the electrics back up so it ran, then sort out the building's and scenery to be able to take it to Mansfield's Portland College




The layout in its present state, most of the scenery buildings have sufferd damage, these have been removed for some TLC except thankfully, not the two station buildings.

















The Rabbit layout was built to please my at the time, very young Grandson, and over a period of time, had many additions to the simple concept of a train bobbing in and out of tunnels as it perambulated around.






I added many little electrical gimmicks to keep him amused, as you do, if you can, so powering it back up, especially as I have not operated it for a considerable period of time, I suppose was never going to be as simple as I thought.




So I ambled into my garage to do the electrical work in powering it up, and oh boy, did I get a shock:




The rear view of the layout showing some of the controls fixed to the back scene.





















Unlike my present work, the rabbit layout is all analogue controlled, with electric points, a working wind mill. working lock gates on the canal, automatic train stop and start from a hidden siding, as one came off scene it released a stored one to replace it, there is also a double auto train stop start timer from off scene into the station, which when activated, changed the points from the two hidden sidings onto the main circuit and then off the main circuit and into the station bay platform, plus several automatic colour light signals scattered about.  











A view of the whole of the rear of the layout.

























The control panel is a pull out slide drawer on the front of the layout with lots of LED's, outlining the track diagram, point switches, section switches and gismo control switches, all connected with multicore cables to allow the drawer to slide in and out of its hidey hole.








The control panel of the layout which slides into a drawer out of the way.

















The electric for all this was fed to the base board via an eight way Din plug and socket, from a home made power source with triple transformers, rectifiers and CDU capacitors, for the various voltages,  AC or DC as required at various voltages.


























This power source has been altered, probably for Glen Ogle in its early build days, when that too was going to be analogue, and is no longer exactly as required for the rabbit layout, and I am puzzled why I used an eight way DIN plug, as potentially, only six wires would have been required from the triple power source enclosure.






So I have to check the wiring to find out what does what, and as usual, most of the wiring is under the base board except for the relays, timing module and some other bits which are accessible as they are mounted on the layouts back scene board, the base board is only 4' x 2' (1220 x 600mm) so is not particularly heavy, I had a quick peak underneath to see what's what, shuddered and lowered it quickly back onto its trestle stand .







This was why I shuddered, the underside of the base board.







































There is a lot of work involved in wire tracing and power supply modifications required before the first train is able to run on the layout, and that is without all the scenery repairs to do. WHOOPEE, I've got four weeks to the show, so any help would be appreciated.












Onward and upwards as they say.














Regards











BrianT















































































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Wow Brian ! The trials and tribulations  :roll:
That lot will keep you busy and out of mischief for a while  :mutley

Popcorn at the ready, watching with interest 



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Matt

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Hi Brian

Surely you just consult the original wiring diagram........................

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Hi Brian,

Ahh, definitely some "well I never" moments. DCC conversion would probably be faster.

From the depths of the armchair: essential (track power, locomotive control, points), nice to have (lights, auto reversing, bells, etc.), never in a month of Sundays (well, 4 to be exact). Trying to fix the wiring to what it was versus having a C.F. Rabbit Warren that demonstrates the point of the excercise.

Why not do a work in progress? That way you can work on it, get the basics working, and talk about it at the show. How about "the DeeCee to DeeCeeCee Junction"?

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Well thank you Matt of Linlithgow, Barry somewhere in the United Kingdom and Nigel safely across the pond in the US of A for your helpful comments, I notice you are all too far away to offer anything but spiritual help:cheers.

What I need is a modeller who can sort the electrics and repair the damaged scenic buildings, living near enough to offer more practical than spiritual help:doublethumb, that must be me then:pathead:cheers.

There's nowt like a colourful post to cheer one up in a morning is there, and this is nowt like a colourful post, but its the best I can do.

Kind regards to ALL my readers,

BrianT.

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Brian I'd love to help but but but  there's 80' of privit needs cutting, grass growing like madd, shed roof to re felt, shelves to fit for SWMBO etc etc etc   :tongue  ( if'n I was closer I would mate  :thumbs)

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Hi Brian,

One of the downsides of living in Virginia, the daily commute means sitting in the bus for 5-6 hours each way. And costs about $5000 a week. And that's cattle class. (My record is 3 returns in 8 days, 2 for work, one 'cos I need the points to keep my Air Canada frequent flyer elite status, back then worth it's weight in gold).

I am not sure you would want me rummaging around the electrickery, unless it is DCC. I shall continue to support your efforts from the armchair. Not coming over until the fall, otherwise I would have offered some actual help as opposed to totally unhelpful commentary.

As I said, break it down into necessary, then nice to have, and finally not necessary for the show.

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Well Nigel and Matt, your replies are what keeps me posting, Lord only knows why I bother???:cheers

Regards,

BrianT.

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Good morning each, we are now on Monday 10/06/19, and I spent most of yesterday, ripping out ALL of the original wiring from Barrowby, pictures later.
I have had to admit I have been defeated by my own technology, I just couldn't remember what all the wiring did to be able to modify it, I was spending too much time trying to trace the wires, so snip snip time wholesale, and I am now re-wiring, but in a very basic way, no LED's, No wind mill , no waterwheel, no timed shuttle train into the bay platform, and as yet, no delivery of the new CDU to be able to operate the dammed points.
So, just an ability to circulate trains and switch the points, hope fully.
Regards and dejected in defeat,
BrianT

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If you have followed the thread to this point, you will have seen that I am in a great deal of difficulty trying to full fill a promise to a  show organiser to exhibit a layout that has not run for at least eight years, maybe more, and I am having many obstacles put in my way by some sort of jinx, aided by my difficulty in mobility to move around the layout,  plus my  poor memory.
For instance, one of the problems was that the points would not operate, the capacitor discharge unit appears to have packed up, and because of time constraints, I ordered a new one off EBAY.  It arrived last Saturday the 8th, three days after it was supposed to, and I was out at postal delivery time.  Now normally our postman, if he cannot get an item through my letterbox, will hide it somewhere and leave me a note, but, Sods law, the regular postie was not on, and his replacement pushed the none delivery note through my post box, but bent it and it did not come right through, and I did not spot it until Monday, 10th.  But instead of being the usual red one, this one was white, and told me that it could not be delivered as the wrong postal charge had been applied, and I owed them £1.50, so grumble grumble, I went to day to collect it, payed my £1.50 and came home.
The parcel would easily pass through my normal sized letter box, and I am about to take up this matter of additional postage costs, with the manufacturer.
The unit is very well made with good quality components, and has an output of 18600 Mf, more than sufficient to slam my H&M point motors from one side to the other, but it is not working correctly.
This is just one of the series of events that have thwarted my attempts to full fill my obligations to the show organiser.
I should point out if you have seen the mass of wiring that originally worked every thing, that I have completely stripped every thing away and added NEW point wiring,and NEW track wiring, and dumped all the gizmos that I had added to amuse my Grandson.
But without the points working its a none goer and I'm fed up with the damn thing.
I'm going for a laydown now, catch up later.
BrianT.

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As you will have read in previous posts, I am having difficulties trying to resurrect an old unnamed Rabbit layout, which I have now called "Burrowby Underhill".

This has resulted in me ripping out the plethora of wiring that originally successfully made it work, so to visually re-cap, here are some pictures of the layout and its attendant wiring, before my frustrated attack with my side cutters, and after.

A view of the layout, as brought out of my garage, where it had been used as a shelf for the past eleven years, with several of the partially damaged buildings removed in readiness of some TLC.  The working windmill, the working water wheel mill, the working lock gates, and the working colour light signals.  The track plan on a pull out drawer had all the point toggle switches with there large chrome industrial master push button firing switch,  each point had  a red/green LED showing the direction of travel, and the rest of the LED's showed sections which could be switched on or off with red/green LED's, and the travel of the train was indicated on the plan by green LED's operated by in track reed switches as the train perambulated around the track.  Out of site was a long stretch of track that ran along the rear length of the layout, divided into three isolated sections to hold three separate trains, as one train came out, the other two followed up into the released, sections making room for a circulating train to pull into the newly released section to the rear. This was indicated on the track diagram by three push to make switches and three red/green diodes.



A closer look at the pull out control panel.



The single spur in the centre of the control panel, eventually became a double spur out of site under the scenery to hold two further trains off scene.   This was controlled by an electronic timing unit that selected a train, set the point for it and brought it out, changing a point to bring it onto the main circulating line for a short way ,and changing another point to direct it into a bay platform at the lower station, this is not being shown on the track diagram as it was probably the last of many additions I made to the layout to amuse my Grandson. While all this was going on a further train would be circulating the layout completely unaffected, would pass through the lower station, and when it had cleared the section, a timer would kick in and reverse the whole procedure to park this loco off scene, and reset the track for the circulating loco for when it returns.

The timer and relay that did all the above jiggery-pokery, picture below.



The three train storage track running along the rear lower deck of the layout.



The underside of the layout showing the original wiring, before its wholesale removal as I was getting nowhere fast.



 And this is the wiring after the snip snip exercise.



The new wiring replacing the original the green and white sleeving carries the new point wiring of green, yellow and blue common, the red wires are the new wiring to connect the control panel section switches to the track sections.



The new CDU that I purchased to replace the old original one, the new unit does not work when I connected it into the wiring.

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The inside  of the underside of the track diagram before the snip snip moment.



The underside of the track diagram after the wholesale clear out of surplus wiring.



There have been several setbacks during this attempt to resurrect the layout, and I have really struggled, but the final straw for me, was the purchase of a new CDU, that when connected, does not work the points, and I have given up the struggle and called it a day with Burrowby Underhill.

I will be at the east Midlands show at the Portland College, Mansfield, thanks to the kind offer from a fellow 009 member, Mr John Andrews, who has offered me the loan of one of his layouts, and who I hope will accompany me to Mansfield to receive due credit for what is a very nice little layout, which will give pleasure to the viewers, and enable me to honour my commitment to Roger Bugg, by filling the gap allocated to Burrowby Underhill on the day.

Kind regards to all the people who have offered support and encouragement over the last few days, but enough is enough.

BrianT.

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Brian, re your CDU - a circuit similar to this ?
https://www.rebelhosts.com/tt/te/p16.htm



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