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Hi All.   Thinking about back ground scenery.  Is it better to stick a backscene on card or Plywood ? Card will in time get dog eared unless it is held in position. Where a background stuck on Plywood unless it is flat and stable ? will affect the scene by crinkling the paper . Any opinions please.  Best wishes Kevin 



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Think you answered your own question there Kevin.

If stuck to ply the expansion rate of ply and paper is the same so doubtful any crinkling.
Size the plywood well first. i actually use a well watered down PVA mix on the plywood first to seal it a bit.
Then size with paste.

You can buy these dedicated backscene fixing glues never used them so no idea if they are of advantage.

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Definitely ply.  I tried card..... not a good move, the cardboard distorts too much and you need more supports.  Well, my experience anyway.

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Hi Brian.  Thank you for your reply. My reference point is years ago now  I stuck a “ famous fish poster “ onto a plywood sheet. And the poster wrinkled, spoiling the poster.   Best wishes Kevin 



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Hi Michael     Thank you. I am at a loss what to do.   Best wishes Kevin 



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Will it be a single piece of ply?  If you follow Brian's advice, you really won't go wrong.  I've never had a problem with paper crinkling on ply, and I have even used cheap printer paper for the photo backscene.

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Passed Driver wrote: Hi Brian.  Thank you for your reply. My reference point is years ago now  I stuck a “ famous fish poster “ onto a plywood sheet. And the poster wrinkled, spoiling the poster.   Best wishes Kevin 

Well "Nemo" cant have been happy and wanted to be found by his dad and was obviously wriggling to escape from the board so thats why he crinkled.

Just do as said above it will be fine.

Have you bought your backscenes yet?

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A couple of things to add to what Brian said in his post above.

To stick the back scene you can use reposition able Spray Mount like 3M.This wont soak the back scene paper & can be re positioned if you get it wrong.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=3m+remount+spray+adhesive&adgrpid=60020308553&gclid=CjwKCAjwk7rmBRAaEiwAhDGhxDtCmBABrvpogAwe6yKzpWqb3rgIfh8_uym-6gTbxAx23xGcy5biQRoCuLwQAvD_BwE&hvadid=291354826313&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=20474&hvnetw=g&hvpos=1t3&hvqmt=b&hvrand=15515469757983751190&hvtargid=kwd-315385164959&hydadcr=14383_1797834&tag=googiehydra-21&ref=pd_sl_8u2r4fkuyb_b

If you're going to use wallpaper paste then paste the back scene paper & fold it in small folds, leave it for 3 or 4 minutes to soak, longer if the paper is thick before putting it on the plywood.When paper gets wet it expands & contracts again as it drys.
Here's an example on how to paste & fold the back scene paper. Its similar to wallpaper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VdNFuthIlM
If you put the pasted back scene paper straight on to the plywood it will expands on the plywood & cause the wrinkles that some people experience.

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Tony has taken the words straight out of my mouth ............... :thumbs

Sticking a backscene to ply is just the same as wallpapering.  If you don't let the wallpaper "soak", it will crinkle, or worse, come off completely as it dries.

A photographic backscene however, is not "paper", it's plastic (nowadays).  Stick that on with the "spraymount" aerosol glue - wallpaper paste won't do.  There are 2 versions - an "instant stick" and "repositionable".  The latter has a short working time where, as Tony said, things can be repositioned - in case you don't get it exact the first time.  Even with that, once pressed into place and dry, it's stuck !!!




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Hi Tony and Petermac.  Thank you for your replies. That is very interesting, if I use the plastic sheet? As I understand from online adverts there are two different materials. Therefore I was thinking would Blue tack work ? then I wouldn’t have any problems .   Best wishes Kevin 



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