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I'm building a small test layout, 140cm x 25cm (roughly 4' 7" x 9 3/4") to see how well I get on with the smaller scale.

It's loosely based on The Eastgate Tramway by Philip Moss, which is in the 7mm NGA's Small Layouts Handbook, but obviously a lot smaller.



I only plan to use 4 wheel stock, to allow small trains that can be run round in the loop.

It's more a shunting plank than a proper layout, but I wont' know if I can manage the small stock and track with fat fingers and failing eyesight unless a have a go.

So far I've assembled the baseboards, bought from Tim Horn, printed out the track plan and stuck it to the boards, and checked the clearances.



So far, so good.

Now to start laying the track.



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I had an 009 railway on the last layout at the previous house Ed although things seem smaller your really still scale wise the same as 00 so i did not find it particularly difficult to do i think the most difficult bit is contact with the track for pick up as you hit the same problems you would get with small N scale locos more weight in them the better.

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Small shunting plank it may be, but it looks like a fun time

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I've recently been working in 7mm scale Brian, an O-16.5 plank with OO gauge code 100 track.

This is code 80 track, but I have managed to get four pieces wired up and stuck down this morning, and I've only destroyed one rail joiner :mutley


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Looks lovely Ed. 
Enough points, track and scenery potential to get a good feel of the gauge.

The trick, as you well know, is paying strict attention to the quality of your track laying and using electrofrog points wired for frog polarity... especially if you plan to use 0-4-0 locos.

Will you be able to work on it in the house when it’s too cold in the garage?

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Working on it in the house Marty, just have to carry it out to the garage a couple of times a week so that domestic duties can be done.

The O-16.5 plank I'm still working on became too heavy to carry in and out for my bad back, so work on that will have to wait until the summer and the garage is warmer.

This board is smaller and much much lighter, so I should at least be able to shunt a few trains during the cold weather.


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Finally made two Dundas coach kits I bought ages ago

Not very good, but first attempt................

Small and fiddly comes to mind :lol:



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I bought a side tank loco body from cwrailways, which comes in four main parts.

Glued it together apart from the roof.






A lot smaller than the Smallbrook O-16.5 locos I was doing last year, but easy enough with the magnifying visor.

Coat of grey primer done and it's sitting on it's Kato 11-103 chassis.





Black top coat next.



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I've painted it black, but it will need toning down with some matt varnish.

I'd used car rattle cans for my O-16.5 locos which gave a pretty good finish.

Unfortunately I'd run out and got some Humbrol spray paint with my last order of scenery stuff from that great box shifter in Widnes.

It's taken far more coats and I don't think it gives as good a finish, but it will have to do.



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Looks great! I’ve wondered whether I can fit a 009 ‘holiday line’ into Teasel one day!

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Looks pretty good to me. :thumbs


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Thanks Chris and Terry.

Chris, 009 is a lot easier to do now than it was when I first had a go at it, many, many years ago.

There's a good range of RTR rolling stock from Peco and Bachmann have RTR locos, so you don't have to resort to a kit, or scratchbuilding.

In fact my other two locos are Skarloey and Rheneas from the Bachmann Thomas range, just got to take the faces off and put new smokebox doors on.


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Lovely little loco there Ed looking smart . I have some 009 stuff still trying to resist adding a 009 line to my present layout.

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Ed wrote: Thanks Chris and Terry.

Chris, 009 is a lot easier to do now than it was when I first had a go at it, many, many years ago.

There's a good range of RTR rolling stock from Peco and Bachmann have RTR locos, so you don't have to resort to a kit, or scratchbuilding.

In fact my other two locos are Skarloey and Rheneas from the Bachmann Thomas range, just got to take the faces off and put new smokebox doors on.


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I’ve had a good look at it. I doubt I’d ever get into scratch building locos etc! I think a 009 track might be a worthy addition one day. Lots to do before then though. 



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Briperran wrote: I have some 009 stuff still trying to resist adding a 009 line to my present layout.

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Go on Brian, you know you want to :mutley


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Some cruel close ups, still waiting for handrail knobs and name/number plates.








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I've used some card to do a bit of landscaping.





I covered it with a mix of Polyfila and brown paint, which unfortunately gives a colour that doesn't show up too well on camera.

Also painted the track.





Darker picture indoors shows the hills (if you can call 'em that) a bit better.





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Good progress there Ed starting to take shape now
Is the track you are using a Peco one? As it looks pretty good when i did my 009 there was only what was called the crazy track available.

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Gosh Brian, I remember crazy track, that was a long time ago :lol:

This is Peco streamline irregular sleeper track and the turnouts are 12" radius.

They also do mainline track which has 18" radius turnouts.

I'm finding 009 has moved on a hell of a lot since I last dabbled in it.


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Hi Ed,

I thought you track plan in post 1 was an interesting one and like your OO test plank, which came to life at this stage, this looks as if the same magic is happening again. 

You have a splendid touch Ed and I'm looking forward to this layout unfolding with great interest.

Best,

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Thanks Bill.

The smaller locos and rolling stock are not proving to be as much of a problem as I thought they might be, and the buildings and scenery is all 4mm/OO gauge anyway.


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Not much modelling done over the last couple of months due to family illness.

My sister, who I live with, has had to undergo major surgery, which was a bit of a shock and totally unexpected.

She’s back home recovering, but most of my time at the moment is taken up with domestic duties.

We have however, decided to free up some space in the spare bedroom so I can bring the layout(s) indoors, or maybe start a new one.

More on that when it happens, meanwhile a couple of pictures of the ballasting I did back in May.






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Think I've messed up the ballasting. 

The bit between the tracks is fine as it will get covered by vegetation, but I think I overdid it with the ballast between the rails and I've had to resort to trying to dig some of it out.



Tried some test running with Skarloey and the loco wheels are still getting caught on some of the ballast.

I've also damaged a y point while cleaning the track. You can't see it very well in the picture, but the switch rail touching the stock rail is a bit bent.

The other switch rail came out of the tie bar, so I had to remove the point and although I've manged to get it back in, I think with the other switch rail slightly bent, the safest thing to do is replace the point.



Beginning to wish I'd not used this ballast, wondering whether to rip it all up and start again.


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Hello Ed, my commiserations to you, its not nice when something goes wrong like that. :sad:
If you have a powerful Vacuum cleaner, and the good old HENRY springs to mind, it might well shift the sand with a scraping action from the crevice tool??

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Hi Ed,

Couple of hours with some dental metal pucks/scrapers or the pointy end of a dart will clean it up. Rails and sleepers. It"s only the inside edge of the rail you have to worry about.

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Thanks for the suggestions guys.

Just getting to grips with a new laptop.

Was too hot to do anything at the weekend and now I appear to have picked up a rotten cold, but was just wondering if anyone has use something like Polyfilla rather than ballast to fill in up to the level of the sleepers.


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Hello Ed, now a lot of this suggestion comes from hindsight in as much as I've been there and got the tea shirt but for what its worth, here goes.
On my Knottworthy Magna 7mm 0/16.5 layout, I needed a section of level crossing adjacent to and partially including a Peco point off to a cassette spur hidden by a low relief building model with double motorised doors driven by two servo motors.

Are you with me so far. I will be asking questions later :lol:.

So I decided to fill in between the rails with Polyfiller :sad:.  I did put a slim piece of plasticard along the inside of the rails from sleeper top to rail top to make a flange groove :roll:, and when the polyfiller had dried, I pulled out the plasicard spacer to leave a flange way groove.  As you can imagine this groove for the flanges now lay between the inside of the rail and the side of the Polyfiller plaster, and so was vulnerable to damage, which was easily done when rail cleaning.

So, in hindsight :patheada wonderful thing to acquire as early in life as possible, I'm 80 and still learning, :It's a no no , I would put the plastic spacer in place, pre-bend if on a curve either some metal shim of sleeper to rail height, or spare rail and butt upto the plastic spacer and Lil pin, glue or soldered into place for permanence, then infill what space is left with polyfiller.  The plastic spacer can be removed when the polyfiller is hard, leaving a flange gap between the two rails, like a check rail.   When rail cleaning in future, the rubber will slide across the four rail tops and not disturb the Polyfiller infill  :cheers :doublethumb.

Having just splashed all those words of hindsight wisdom across this page, I have just re read your post, and realised you did not want a surface at rail level  :oops:, but rather an infill to sleeper height of Polyfiller,  (Should have gone to Specsavers Brian).
I have never needed to do this, but were I required to, this is how I would do it:-

 Takes a deep breath while sharpening his computer keyboard pencil.................

Make tool from a suitable scrap piece of plasticard, that has two grooves at the track gauge distance apart, each groove the track width wide, with the tongue between the grooves that will just touch the sleepers as the plasticard is dragged along the sleeper tops, and sliding on the track rail head.
This is your Polyfiller spreading tool. 

Lightly oil the top and insides of the rails to be infilled, using a piece of rag or kitchen roll with cooking oil on its surface, dragged between the rails and running along the sleeper tops, to leave a film of the oil.

Mix a slightly runny mix of Polyfiller and pour between the rails requiring the infilling, and using the Plasticard tool, drag the mix along to fill the gaps between the sleepers, and leave to set.

The film of cooking oil will help the dry Poliyfiller rub off the rails and sleeper tops if you want the sleepers to be seen with not too much cleaning away of the unwanted Polyfiller.

I'm going for a lay down now, but i hope that helps. :cheers

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Thanks for this Brian, really like the idea of the Polyfilla spreading tool :doublethumb

Posed the same question on NGRM and got a few mainly negative responses, including "I used Polyfilla as infill many years ago and it seemed to react with the nickel silver rail, causing it to turn black and it was a constant battle to keep the track clean as the black coating was non conductive, will never use it again for inset track".

But this is a test layout, so why not, think I'll give it a go.

Just got to wait for this terrible cough to go away.


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Hi Ed,

If (big if) you are trying to minimize the amount of ballast required and keep it off the rails, chairs and sleepers, try using a piece of wood or plastic slightly lower than the sleeper height and glued in place between the sleepers. Ballast on the top by painting it with PVA then sprinkle ballast over, followed by a light mist with water/IPA after a minute or so. Leave overnight, brush off excess ballast. The ballast will go 4 times further. 

If using Brian's technique I would use masking tape over the rails while applying the Polly Filla. You could also use a slurry of ballast and PVA.

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Hi Ed.      Magnifying Visor ? Depending on whether one wears spectacles or not can these damage ones eyes?On the odd occasion it would seem that a visor could be handy, but, with me it would have to be scratch proof. Do you find that you have to wear a visor more often? Best wishes Kevin 

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Passed Driver wrote: Hi Ed.      Magnifying Visor ? Depending on whether one wears spectacles or not can these damage ones eyes?On the odd occasion it would seem that a visor could be handy, but, with me it would have to be scratch proof. Do you find that you have to wear a visor more often? Best wishes Kevin 

Don't wear glasses with it Kevin, it's basically a magnifying glass that happens to fit on your head.

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Hi Ed.  Thank you for your reply. I meant that if one wears prescription spectacles, you remove them of course. But, what about a possible deterioration of ones eyes, over time. Best wishes Kevin 

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I only wear it for a minute or so Kevin same as using a magnifying glass, but hands free.

Perhaps some other members can comment on using a visor for long periods.

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Hi Ed.  Thank you very much.   Best wishes Kevin 

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I wear bifocal prescription glasses and have a visor with interchangeable lenses that can be clipped in.
When I'm on the computer just reading various posts, I have to sit upright to get the right reading lens at the correct distance to be able to read the print on the screen.

As I'm basically a lazy sod, I like to sit back in my chair, but this puts me between my near reading and far viewing lens in my prescription bifocal glasses, the near reading distance having been set at a suitable distance by the opticians, for reading music while I'm murdering my piano. 

So I came up with a cunning plan, I did not want to use the visor with a suitable lens in place, because its not the most comfortable of head wear, so I found an old pair of clip on sunglasses which I have to use if I need shades in the sun while driving, and removed the as always scratched tinted plastic lenses, selected one of the visor spare clip in lenses, a few minutes with a small drill and two small setscrews and nuts, and the clear magnifier lens is now fixed to the metal clip-on part of the old sunglasses which I clip in place on my prescription glasses, and I can sit back in my chair and read the beautiful pros displayed on my computer screen through my prescription lens plus the flip down additional magnifying lens.

I do this regularly, and find it does not affect my sight, and if I am modelling, which I do occasionally when I find my roundtuit, which seems to be in a very safe place at the moment, as those that follow my scribings may Have noticed, by the lack of any activity from my computer, I can still use my visor with any of the other four additional lenses clipped in as required.
And all that was typed in just using my prescription lenses, isn't technology a wonderful thing. :roll:

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Hi Brian T I am very lazy too, I don’t like wearing my reading spectacles at all, only because they give me a problem with picking up my cuppa. If I do purchase a visor I will have to try it on first. Thank you for the heads up!   Best wishes Kevin 

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Finally got rid of the cough

A course of antibiotics and steroids, and I feel better than I've felt for months

I spent yesterday putting in the new Y point, re-laid the left hand point next to it and put a new piece of track between the Y point and the loop

As with all these things, when you take something out the new one never goes in quite the same, so I've had to carve away the embankment slightly to get the new piece of track to fit



I’ve decided not to rip everything up and start again, but I have managed to remove any bits of ballast that were causing derailments

Test running Skarloey seems ok now, apart from a couple of places where it stalls, but I think it’s just a case of track cleaning.

Considering how long the layout has been sitting in a dirty garage, I was surprised how well most of it worked.

Next job is to paint the new track and (very carefully) ballast it.


Don’t think I’ll be using Woodland Scenics ballast again after this.

 
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Installed the station platform and was trying to run some trains to make sure I'd got the height right

It was only when trying to couple up to some coaches I found that the cwrailways side tank loco has the coupling set too high.

I can't lower the body on the body on the Kato chassis, so the only thing I can think of doing is cut the couplings off (they were attached with superglue), and drill holes for new couplings.




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Hi Ed.  I cannot get my head around narrow gauge , 009 now what track do you have to purchase for that to run on ?Is that N or OO? or something completely different with irregular sleepers. Whatever it must be handy for getting around small radii . Best wishes Kevin 

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Same gauge as N Kevin, 9mm.

Peco are one of the manufacturers, but there are others.

https://peco-uk.com/pages/search-results-page?q=009&page=1&rb_vendor=PECO&rb_snize_facet2=Streamline

It's two foot three inches in 16mm (OO) scale, but people use it to represent anything between one foot eleven and a half inches (Ffestiniog) and two foot three inch (Talyllyn)  gauge railways, or sometimes even bigger gauges up to three foot.

If you think about it, OO gauge 16.5mm track is actually four feet one and a half inches, not four feet eight and a half inches, so it's all modeller's license anyway.


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Hi Ed.  Thank you for your reply. Is that why EM fans faff around with wheels axles and track? and don’t rate the attempts of OO Modellers. To me that is worse than Rivet Counting. Best wishes Kevin 

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Basically, yup :lol:

EM and P4 modellers are doing their own thing, which is great for them and good luck to 'em.

Personally, I only want to represent a railway that looks good to me, I ain't bothered if it isn't exactly a scaled down version of the real thing.

Life's too short.


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Hi Ed.  Thank you again. EM and P 4 carry the same passengers as any other gauge. Best wishes Kevin 

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Bought this..............



.............. yup, my first ever White Metal Kit.

Must be mad :mutley




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Grafar Prairie chassis, modified. LOL/BOL. Shows how long ago the kit was designed. When I was doing this I found that with w/m kits in 4mm Bachmann USA N-scale chassis were better due to the smaller scale of 1:160 rather than UK 1:148. Wheels looked more narrow gauge.

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Seen a few Prairie chassis on UK ebay Nigel, but I'm trying to avoid really old ones with pizza cutter wheels.

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Hi Ed.    Best wishes, but I don’t know if I will around that long, that to see it finished the way I am feeling? It is being cheerful that keeps me going . Best wishes Kevin 

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Chin up Kevin, as my old Mum used to say, "there's always someone worse off than you".

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Hi Ed.  Yeah well, but when I had high blood pressure before and it went too low they stopped the tablets, but they were different. And this time I feel so rotten that I can hardly stand up. Best wishes Kevin 

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Couple of pictures of the bridge I've been (very slowly) working on.

Done with my phone and a bit out of focus, very little light in here and I forgot it will be getting dark earlier today.






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Makes a change from a bus on a bridge.........







and the station end........



Nearly time to play with static grass.


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Looking good!

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Thanks Claus, although as someone on another forum pointed out, I think I got the buffer stop the wrong way round :oops:


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