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Having trouble sleeping? A frantic schedule that saps the very life-blood of your struggle to keep up with change in the world we inhabit....? Look no further for something that will move with all the speed of a cataleptic sloth, the successor to Bear's End, namely Ursa Resurgat.

I now have the luxury of a small room, some 3m x 2.25m in which to build a model railway. I hope it will be a OO/4mm roundy with a OO9 interchange. I could have used an alternative larger room but this room has the advantage of being lit by a 1m square Velux roof window above the 'desk' area giving over 10m of continuous wall  [save for a 0.7m door] around which to range my train set.



The SketchUp picture above gives the general idea, I hope to get away from straight edges where possible, but the re-learning curve of the SketchUp programme is pretty steep and this will do for now!

Be warned this will be slow progress. I now have a copies of C.J. Freezer's 'Model Railway Design Manual' ISBN 1 85260 538 3, his 'PSL Book of Model Railway Trackplans' ISBN 85059 905 9 and Ian Rice's 'Railway Modelling the Realistic Way' ISBN 978 1 84425 359 3 all from local charity shops for less that £2.50 each, and intend to make good use of all three in planning the layout.

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Doug



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Hi Doug

Let me be the first to both congratulate you on the acquisition of a train room and wish you good fortune with Ursa Resurgat.

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I will be following your progress great interest.

Best wishes from a very snowy Vancouver

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John Dew wrote: Hi Doug

Let me be the first to both congratulate you on the acquisition of a train room and wish you good fortune with Ursa Resurgat.

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I will be following your progress great interest.

Best wishes from a very snowy Vancouver

John
I second that!
(although from a frosty West Wales, not Vancouver)

Shaun.

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Best of luck Doug :thumbs

Doorway seems a bit narrow though.


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Hearty congratulations on your new ursus domum Doug. It looks comfy and also practical with the roof light directly above your work area.

Have fun planning how to fill those ten glorious metres with your railway. I've pulled up a chair!

Oh and that SketchUp programe looks interesting. I've looked at their site and will try it out. Thank you.

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I'm green Doug - your train room looks excellent and I'm really looking forward to seeing how your plans develop.

The ruined "outbuilding" in which I had intended to construct Maxmill 2 has a current rebuild estimate of €35,000 so I don't think that will happen...................  However, other options are urgently being explored.

Of your plan books, which one is the best choice ?  I do have the Peco "60 layout plans" book from the 1750's and I'm guessing that many of Mr Freezer's plans are included in that.  I do have ideas for Maxmill 2 but at present, that's all they are ...............

How's the "gateman" training going ?

Oh yes, and our very best to your Station Mistress too - I presume she's pleased to be away from garlic and cheap plonk .................. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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I knew that book was old Peter, but ............................... :mutley


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Thank you all for your kind remarks!

John, believe it or not we are forecast snow next week, I think Shelagh got me down to Devon under false pretences! Wales was hard enough to navigate inthe Spring last year when we visited Snowdonia, Shaun, hope you don't get the snow as well.

Ed, the entrance is currently set at 55cm, so unless Dolly Parton wants to visit sideways on her knees, we should be alright, some curves will be added to take off sharp corners etc. As its to be wall mounted on steel two-hook brackets it'll only be that narrow for the 6" depth of the facia, hopefully.


Alan, it's not luck I'll need, it's a generous state of mind from SWMBO when I send off for 'Stuff' [Oh! The thought of spending money  makes me feel faint....] but I've been making a quiet note of what she is spending on Cross-stitch kits she now has over a dozen in her work box, more than I have models waiting to be built now!

Bill, if you try SketchUp, may I suggest you go for the free 2016 version? [ Ver 16.1.1450 32-bit] It's called 'SketchUp Make' and has virtually all the bits and pieces that the current 'Pro' version has. The newer free is not quite so clever. If you can't download it [I re-downloaded it last night just in case they pull it] I'll send you a copy. We haven't met, so I don't know if you are follically challanged like some of our senior members [Tee-hee...] but I guarantee you will be after a few days of trying it out.

Peter, they all have different values, the 'Design Manual' goes into operation, with examples of prototype practice and track formations, workable terminals drawn from real life and how they can be condensed without losing the 'function factor' , examples of industries and their infrastructure. The PSL book has70 different layouts, a number of terminal stations in a 'Terminus to fiddleyard' section, and room layouts for spaces from 2.4m x 1.95m up to 3.6m x 3.0m several of which feature 'crawl under sections across the room which may I politely suggest are of less interest to a man of your diameter calibre? There are 4 shed layouts in varying sizes and eight for garages. The Ian Rice book is one I have been after for a long time at less than its £20 price tag, it's more up to date than the others, and his writing is gently humorous, the section on 'I' and 'L' beam baseboard construction has caught my eye. I have over a dozen 'How to' books, and these three seem to be the most worthwhile. If you find a copy of Freezer's 'Model Railway Manual' [note absence of 'Design' in the title] it could partly take the place of the Rice volume.

SWMBO sends her best regards!

That's all for now, I think, another million electrons corralled and reorganised, best wishes,

Doug






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Herewith a curvy top layer A4 plan view, the previous drawing told me where and to what width I need to mount my steel brackets.



Working in metric units, if I need to superimpose, say, a platform 1000mm long, I import a diagram and scale it to 0.88 size and paste it onto the plan to size/trial it, using this picture as 'Layer 1'. I have kept two straight edges, as after all I am an engineer, and engineers love straight edges. I can also measure some fanciful sketched component off this plan, multiply by 1/0.88 and lay it on top to scale.If I had an A3 printer, life would be easier and more flexible as a small error at this reduced scale could end up as a huge co%k-up in full size!

Beef B'non and my last bottle of good Rioja [it's not just units I mix, willy-nilly] so little to follow today that will be even vaguely 'compost-dentist'.

Doug

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I like your engineer's scale of 0.88:1 Doug ................. :???:

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Petermac wrote: I like your engineer's scale of 0.88:1 Doug ................. :???:
It does seem  a bit 'dogs-breakfast' but A4 is a bit small to get it in at 1:1, I might try landscape view and stitch two pieces together to get a bigger picture.

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Well, ain't it the darndest thing? All that space you think you have just disappears when you start putting scale track plans in place......


Herewith  unashamed plagarism from a CJ Freezer plan with my proposed baseboard shape superimposed, lots of bits hanging over, eh? I hope to join A to A somehow, so a deal of re-thinking to do, maybe the desk area moved to the 'lower' side, the outermost spur trimmed off and the inner one lengthened,the table and coal moved up and left to allow a more sweeping curve to the gap to the right of the store as the water tower can go just about anywhere....

Thinking cap on.

Doug

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It May be a slow burner to start with Doug (Those essential domestic Jobs SWMBO will want done after your move) But I'm sure once you get going it will be just as magical as   Bears End

Looking forward to watching this one from the beginning !      :thumbs

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I am already visualising some of your exquisite buildings in place of the rather prosaic "large factory building.

Is the concept to have most of the activity ie the goods yard and loco servicing in 09 and the 00 activity confined to the A to A roundy roundy? 


Not sure if you want suggestions? If not then please ignore.

I wonder if the second station would be better on the other long side rather than over the desk.......creating horseshoe effect and a greater visual distance between stations.........this would also make it easier to complete the roundy roundy over the duck under?   Just a thought.


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John, thanks for your interest, you are quite right, the smaller station platform [in the original Freezer scheme it was the front for a quay side scene] is in the wrong place, and the main station a little too long or ambitious for the space I have.

It was an interesting look at putting an established 9-3" x 7'-4" track plan in a 9'-11" x 7'-3" room space.

I want to do the principal part in OO/1/76/4mm roundy-roundy with a small OO9 presence, perhaps a feeder for a drift mine mineral drop or alternatively, insulated tank wagons on a zig-zag descent top and tailed by two Tugwell-Pushleys to a SG trackside factory where the liquid butterscotch extracted by hot water injection from the surrounding hills is processed.

I'll progress the OO9 on a smaller separate baseboard, one advantage of twin slot brackets  [https://www.screwfix.com/c/security-ironmongery/shelf-brackets/cat880018?brand=rb_uk] and an approximately 4ft rail level is the ease with which modest stowage for 'planks' is easy to add and adjust beneath the main layout.

"Not sure if you want suggestions? If not then please ignore." Deffo up for any suggestions and criticisms.


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Chubber wrote: John, thanks for your interest, you are quite right, the smaller station platform [in the original Freezer scheme it was the front for a quay side scene] is in the wrong place, and the main station a little too long or ambitious for the space I have.

It was an interesting look at putting an established 9-3" x 7'-4" track plan in a 9'-11" x 7'-3" room space.

I want to do the principal part in OO/1/76/4mm roundy-roundy with a small OO9 presence, perhaps a feeder for a drift mine mineral drop or alternatively, insulated tank wagons on a zig-zag descent top and tailed by two Tugwell-Pushleys to a SG trackside factory where the liquid butterscotch extracted by hot water injection from the surrounding hills is processed.

I'll progress the OO9 on a smaller separate baseboard, one advantage of twin slot brackets  []https://www.screwfix.com/c/security-ironmongery/shelf-brackets/cat880018?brand=rb_uk] and an approximately 4ft rail level is the ease with which modest stowage for 'planks' is easy to add and adjust beneath the main layout.

"Not sure if you want suggestions? If not then please ignore." Deffo up for any suggestions and criticisms.



Will there be room for the treacle mine as well? :lol:

Out of interest what sort of passenger traffic are you planning.......ie will it be confined to autotrain/railcar or will it be 3-4 carriages possiby involving a loco exchange/run round at the main station?

Cheers

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Hi Doug,

The modelers dilemma. Enough space for a layout but not quite enough space for the scale (and radii, buildings, stations,...). Are you looking at this the right way - OO with an OO9 interchange? With that much space why not consider OO9 with an OO interchange? You could also increase your acreage by going double level, something that Freezer never had to think about as OO layouts were being built in what was O space, but that Rice does cover. How about a narrower upper level with the narrow gauge, one terminus up (or two up), one down with the interchange with the OO? Shades of Castle Gate with an interchange.

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 Nice space Doug. 
Following along.

Our best to you both.

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Hi Doug

A nice space to have and it looks like you've given a lot of thought on how to use it to the best advantage.

Something that no-one else has mentioned so far is that a fiddle yard at the rear of layouts against a wall is not ideal. Access is difficult as you are always leaning over the layout to get at things. Also the plan to my mind has a flaw. The main station platform is longer than both the secondary station and fiddle yard roads, the secondary station is not so important but the longest train that you can run is determined by the longest road in the fiddle yard. This looks like it would only allow a loco plus two bogie coaches max.

My solution would be to move the fiddle yard to the board across the link and have a through station on the board opposite the main station. You could then have a small industry in the corner where the fiddle yard is currently shown or a space to create a scene from your wonderful buildings.


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BCDR wrote:
Are you looking at this the right way - OO with an OO9 interchange? With that much space why not consider OO9 with an OO interchange?

Nigel

That's  how I'd like to proceed, Nigel. I'm not moved by the double level idea, I'd like to sit on my seat in the middle and look straight ahead from a viewpoint about 6-9" above track level, the OO9 on an elevated site towards the rear of the wider board with a long descent to an interchange, simply because I have several OO9 kit and scratch built locomotives and a selection of track, but would prefer a separate NG entity.

Wise words, Woody. [nothing wrong with a bit of aliteration, is there?] Nigel's suggestion of double level brings to mind storage/fiddle tracks under the front of the main boards, with perhaps a hinge up portion of fascia to get at them. J.D. is using this system, I believe?

I'm not much in need of metres of fiddle and storage, I'd like to have a lot of 'country' with no railway save a single track through it, and not a lot of stock.

I have been hand painting letters and numbers on a GWR toad today.......at 12"/1ft scale at the S.D.R. under the beady eye of a mentor 'Sid' who is 80 years young!

Doug

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Chubber wrote:
Wise words, Woody. [nothing wrong with a bit of aliteration, is there?] Nigel's suggestion of double level brings to mind storage/fiddle tracks under the front of the main boards, with perhaps a hinge up portion of fascia to get at them. J.D. is using this system, I believe?

I'm not much in need of metres of fiddle and storage, I'd like to have a lot of 'country' with no railway save a single track through it, and not a lot of stock.

Doug

If J.D. is me.......then yes and no.  I think hidden (ie difficult to access) sidings are fine for storage but not fiddling.

If you have fixed rakes that do not require changing in any way then its fine to store them off scene. Attempting to fiddle (change locos/brake van location etc) with trains in difficult to access sidings is a right pain and should be avoided if at all possible.

If I were designing Granby again I would try to have most of my storage yards in a more accessible position.....out in the open.....in the guise of a marshalling yard.....exchange sidings and or carriage sidings. 

Cheers

John


ps Nicks comments about the need to establish the longest train as a determining factor follow the same line as my enquiry about the type of passenger service you are planning.





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All noted, John. I think a three coach train will be my maximum, and along the lines of '...the rear two coaches for station A...'

The problem with all these locomotives, coaches and rolling stock is that they get in the way of the buildings!

What puzzles me more is what scenario could I possibly invent to use a Pannier, a 45XX, a GWR Railcar (not too difficult so far) together with a Beatty well-tank and a S.R. Schools Class together with a rake of 6 coaches, circa 1950s? I'd deffo need a hidden storage spot for that!

Doug

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Hi Doug,

Go modern - a what-if preservation line that came with a narrow gauge interchange (L&B meets the GWR and SR). There was an article on this topic in one of the magazines a few years ago. Apart from TV aerials and satellite dishes, houses and most buildings look the same over a 60-year period. Just change the cars to suite the decade.

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Well, having wanted a dedicated railway room all my life I now have one, but be blowed if I can find the courage to start!

Yes, you guessed it, deciding 'ideal height' was one of the excuses for prevaricating but I can chose 44", or maybe 42" to use it seated, possibly 48" or 50" standing because I am going to use this...

https://www.screwfix...mm-2-pack/56901

as the basis of my layout supports, to see which suits me best. I intend a 'proof of concept' single track circuit of the room which will allow me to test various means of supporting a semi-open frame and of making a lift-up section in front of the door which is at one corner of a short wall. I don't think it will work out any dearer than a timber floor mounted structure and will give a lot of free floor space, with room for a work bench, a OO9 plank on a lower set of brackets, an air-brush station  and some small wheeled bookshelves.

[If you fancy the idea I would recommend the Screwfix 'RB-UK' pattern as opposed to the slightly cheaper unbranded version available at Toolstation. I bought a little of this to try the idea and found they
a.  wouldn't reliably hang at 90 degrees in each slot, and
b.  after a week of supporting two bags of flour on the end of a 300mm bracket, a distinct droop developed.

 
The T.S. stuff is now in the garage. Tactus lignum, the RB product has performed much better.]
 
Below shows my ideas for attaching ply brackets and contours


 

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Now thinking along the lines of a piece of 2" x 1" soft wood as an alternative to give a greater area to fix stuff to, on the side and the top surface...



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Hi Doug

Glad to see you have stopped worrying about height......a very elegant solution
Is there a trackplan?

PS How is Bisto?

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Hi Doug,

You will have to be very accurate cutting all those trapezoid verticals and drilling the screw holes. Easier just to use the already drilled holes in the bottom and a flat piece on the top. Also makes it easier to shim when leveling the track boards. Which will happen, because the drill holes will have mysteriously moved a mm or so between the verticals. Even after measuring thrice. (I now make the holes slots so there is a bit of vertical movement).

What vertical spacing are you planning on? Anything more than 375-450mm needs bracing. L beams front and back work well and stop any sagging and can be slotted over the brackets. This also locks the brackets in place.

Corners tend to be studiously ignored with this system. After a lot of trial and error a 45 degree join (with biscuits) and a bracket underneath at the same angle in the corner seemed best. Those connector gadgets for kitchen counter tops are also useful. That or make the board with a right angle.

If you have the room for it a laser level is better than a regular bubble one. Well worth hiring a decent one. Which is when you find the floor is not level. Or the walls flat (recent plasterboard walls are anything but because of the joins every 1200mm or so).

42" and a barstool.

Just some pointers after building quite a few meters of this support system in rooms large and small (the latter calling for very precise measurements).

Nigel

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looks a good idea Doug and if you keep the support rail as high as you can whilst allowing the lowest possible position of track height you will also be able to put in some high level shelfs for dvd,s or displaying stock etc so a very flexible system  :thumbs  Must agree with Nigel on buying or borrowing a laser level to line everything up. It makes the whole job so much easier !
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Hullo all, sorry, wrote a long reply, but seemed to have lost it...will try again tomorrow, Poop-poop!

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Well the nexr day came and went but no chance to post, worked the box at Staverton 1940s event yesterday, managed to avoid making any loud expensive noises!



This lovely lady, Claire, graced me with a photograph of her modelling a genuine 1940 dress complete with clothing coupon label.
Hullo John, thank you for your interest, no track plan as such yet, but will be keeping it very simple, a round the room track, a small station and a halt, with an industry, perhaps a little factory for building Tugwell-Pushleys so as to incorporate a little bit of OO9. I'm thinking they could be delivered to the end users on a lowmac wagon?



90HP Tugwell

Bisto is on top form, he's 11 this month and loving Devon. He is like us, a creature of habit and is now allowed to sit on one of the conservatory sofas when we sit there before dinner to do a crossword etc. He gets daily more and more like a Teddy Bear.


Hullo Uncle John!

NIgel, I'm not too worried about getting heights of bracket supports even to the nearest m.m.,  the ply is a reasonably stiff fit in the bracket to allow for tweaking up or down, and once where I want it a small G cramp will squeeze it firmly enough for the self drilling and tapping screws to be inserted. Did I mention brackets at 60m.m. spacing? The idea of a laser level is very sound. They seem to be offered in Lidl/Aldi at regular intervals.

https://www.screwfix.com/p/easydrive-self-drilling-low-profile-pan-head-screws-4-8-x-16-x-200-pack/5004h

I've had a trial at this aspect, a little care is needed because the screws drill and tap very quickly on the higher speed but take a lot longer on the lower more manageable speed.

I'd like to have a gradient or two, hoping 3" separation will be possible with one track going down as one rises, looking at folded dog-bones at the moment but don't want the appearance of double track all round. I'd like a noticeable difference between the heights at the front and back in places, perhaps as much as 9-12". I have looked at a 'preservation' scenario, but decided it's not for me. I couldn't face the idea of a Porta-Cabin next to a Period station building, yellow lines and modern vehicles!

As for corners, what about this idea?



To minimise sagging, I envisage 'T' beam track beds in 9 m.m. ply, might even go as far as marine quality for the track beds and wider station boards. If it looks like it will sag, I'll whack another bracket upright in and use more brackets, its my wall, no landlord or attached neighbour to whinge about the noise etc. With SWMBO swimming three times a week I'll have plenty of opportunity for D.I.Y. mayhem!

Luckily, due to the split-level nature of the house, all four walls of the room are block/brick.

Matt, I hope the top level of the layout will be a lighting pelmet, I'll try to keep everything else underneath. Fortunately I'm not short of storage elsewhere in this house.

Can't think of anything else at the moment, if I've missed out a query/suggetsion it's probably because I am on my second bottle of St Austell 'Proper Job'!

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Hi Doug,

Brackets at 60mm centers (2.4")? Hopefully that is 60 cm (28"). Still seems a lot or work messing around with bracket tops of various heights to accommodate variations in support heights. Although with a laser level that should be minimal. Corner looks good, needs a good sized filet.for stability though. Not a good idea to put anchors into a cinder or concrete block corner angle - it can be mostly mortar. Go to the side (hence my comment about a good sized filet).


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Well, since my last post at least two glaciers have moved 100 yards...but herewith a little progress.



Brackets



Brackets wwith card patterns




Card and track try-out on brackets






View showing how 'hidden' track is readily accessible.


With a deep, easily removable facia [neodymium magnets?] it should be 'do-able', using the card ['narner box] as templates for the 9mm ply which can be tweaked up and down before running some self drilling/tapping screws through the bracket and ply insert.

Now all I need is to finalise a track plan.

Poop-poop!

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I like that wall bracket system, Doug.  :thumbs

I used it in Wendy's studio and also in the pantry I built for her.

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Well done Doug
The first steps in building is the most important one, now you have made a start things will start to take shape quickly.

That system from screwfix works fine i have used that recently on a job for shelving in a shop.

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I often wondered if that shelving system would work for a layout - now I know!  Great to see things underway.  I know exactly what you mean about being scared to start.  I had wanted a layout for so long, that when I actually got the chance, I wanted to model everything!  It took me a whole year  to realise that I had to build my ideal model for my space.  I still struggle with it, but am so pleased I (finally) got started.

I can't wait to see how all of this develops, I am sure I am going to learn a lot

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It's all looking very exciting Doug - I like your thinking on access to the hidden track.

Have you done a practice run with the self-drillers/tappers through the brackets ?  It's a clever idea but wonder if the brackets are a bit on trhe tough side for them ...................

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Petermac wrote: It's all looking very exciting Doug - I like your thinking on access to the hidden track.

Have you done a practice run with the self-drillers/tappers through the brackets ?  It's a clever idea but wonder if the brackets are a bit on trhe tough side for them ...................

Thanks all for the encouragement,Peter, I have tried out the self drilling/tappers, no problem. Well, the only problem at present is remembering where I stowed the box of 250 screws......

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That's good Doug - I did wonder ......................... :hmm

I used to be the man with the screws but alas, my stocks of useful sizes are just about exhausted - maybe that's why they're "useful sizes" ................

I think I'll need a trip to Screwfix when I start on Maxmill 11 ................

Hope all's well with you both (and Bisto of course).  Presumably the season on your 1:1 scale stuff is now over .............

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I have a 'Carols down the Line' duty in the crossing box at Staverton on the evening of 6th December but I recently had a very pleasant and worthwhile Rembrance Sunday when I shared the day shift working in Buckfastleigh signal box controlling the 'Driver for Armistice' experience. For £20 you could drive a Prarie half a mile up the line and back [under supervision!]. Very intensive, an out and back every ten minutes! I certainly knew I'd been pulling levers when I got home. Between us we helped the railway raise £630 for the Poppy Appeal, as the SDR donated coal and water etc. I've managed to escape the dreaded 'Santa Specials' although Shelagh will be helping out for a day at B'leigh...

Bisto is fine, now a senior 11yr old.

  Hullo, Uncle Peter!

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Hi Doug

Great to see the layout progress........glad to see you are being ultra cautious about accessing hidden sidings......one of the many lessons I have learned the hard way.

Glad Bisto is in fine fettle.......I had no idea he was such a young puppy when I first heard of him. I am afraid his Canadian equivalent "Euro" had to be put to sleep a few years ago......we still miss him despite having two replacements .....both rescues......a very elderly Wheeton and a very young pure bred mutt from Taiwan

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Hullo, John,
Thanks for your post, I do know what you mean about certain dogs, three dogs on I still miss my Bully, Amy [short for Amazon All-Spice]. Here she is suckling an abandoned kitten....He grew to an enormous size on her milk, with canine teeth that overhung his lower lip, just like an panther writ small.



Anyway, back to railways, two photos' to show how I intend to support things. This larger flat area will be a terminus station and yard. Levelling up will be secured with self drilling/tapping screws through the brackets. Housing cut with a wobble saw.





Off to Staverton this morning, a beams and floor to fit in the ladies loo, I get all the glamour jobs, don't I?

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As promised, like a glacier, slow progress as the 12"/ft railway has been taking up a lot of my time.

Just a shot of the corner arrangement, a curved base for the curved end to the backscene, although a 'gert lump of erf will rise there. I'm resigned to not having a roundy-go-round, the door being tight in the corner makes it all too difficult, so it will be end to end. I'm quite pleased with the rigidity of the brackets, the largest opening will be 23" x 17".

Glad to have done it this way as I hope to convince the management that the carpet needs to come up because of a seriously squeaky floorboard right in the doorway so I might as well replace it with some lanimit liminate wooden stuff.



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Nice work, Doug.  Slow, but quality building.  :thumbs

As part of my work, I lift carpet and repair squeaky boards.  It's usually just nail sickness, and some long screws driven in nearby often fix the problem.

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Slow progress is progress still. And your benchwork is shaping up well.

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 The glacier moves...



Herewith the first part of lanimati  lmninatin lamill er, sticking together some 5mm strips of clear softwood to make a curved corner for the baseboard assembly. The small, very handy clamps are pub Optic measure bracket clamps, courtesy of an obliging landlord some years ago.

Poop-poop

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Now that's an impressive collection of G clamps Doug, as is your joinery skills.

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Thanks, Bill. Thats some from the box of small ones....if you have ever built a dinghy, no matter how small, you'll know just how many clamps you need! Herewith the curved piece planed and fitted using dowels and screws [no glue] in case it ever needs taking off. The dowel holes go right through both pieces so that they may be driven out from behind.



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Well done with the curve Doug good bit of laminating there

Is it Glulam beams next week :lol:

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That looks great Doug.....a very elegant curve.

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Looking very good Sir.  

The engineer in you always shines through. :thumbs

I have several of those "optic" clamps Doug - absolutely no idea how or where I acquired them but often wondered what their real purpose was.  They're too soft to be proper woodworking clamps ....................








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Thank you Peter, as the stamp collector said 'Philately will get you anywhere...' Why doesn't it surprise me that you have Optic spirit clamps?! Though 'soft' I find them very useful for gentle jobs.

Herewith a tip for anyone wanting to make tighter bends, using scrap chipboard as a former. You don't need all those clamps if you go at it in two layers at a time. This will form the corners at the other end of the baseboard.


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ah... holes in the jig board for the clamp head... stored for future use... thank you...

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There we are, as far as I'm going for the moment, thats 9ft-10" long, 2ft wide down the side, curving to 3ft-6" x 1ft=10" at the right hand end, the far end is 4ft-6" x 1ft-3" but can continue anither yard to the left-hand wall.

Now I really will have to chose a track plan...

Poop-poop

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Hey Doug - that looks really good.  Love those curved corners - far more aesthetic than square ones.

Track plans ?  I just start in one place and see what joins up ..................................... :oops:

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:mutley "Indecision is the key to flexibility"

I've got so many books and track plans to choose from, too many, but as usual, nothing seems to be 'just' right so I can't make up my mind and regret having spent weeks/months trying to get a roundy-go-round to work. I'm now thinking along the lines of Wallingford or Watlington as terminus prototypes to work around, but Lambourn has an intriguing 'Y' release   and access to the single road engine shed I like so I could re-use my Bear's End shed.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/boxbrownie3/13493444023      

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Now doesn't that look tempting?

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Hi Doug

Superb benchwork.......the curve is so elegant. Definitely a craftsman's layout.

Cant wait to see the track plan

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Looking good Doug .Well done.  What is the plan with the wall brackets?

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Thanks,  Reg,

The brackets are to provide fixings for back scene boards and cantilever brackets for a lighting pelmet. At each end there will be curved backscene supports as I don't want 'corners' to appear in the sky!

Poop-poop

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Stand by....be sure you are seated...shock..amazement.

I present











Pieces of cardboard. Planning station platform curves etc with card templates, 78", 72", 60" etc. I have tried flexitack curved variously, and I can just accept 72" radius curves. Any thoughts? I have placed 3 carriages on the curves, and only at 72" do they look as though they are not part of a 'wiggly worm' layout!

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If you can get away with the larger radius, I think it will look superb with the wonderful curve of your baseboard because it won't look as though it is running parallel so will be visually interesting as well as avoiding the wiggly worm.  I hide my tighter curves as much as possible but you definitely won't need to do that.  Looking forward to more!

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It's looking excellent Doug - love the frame work.

As Michael said, the easier the curves, the better it looks.  If you can get the 72" in, then go for that. 

IMHO, many an otherwise excellent layout, is spoilt by tight curves with huge overhangs and coaches with a massive gap between the platform and coach.  A 6ft curve would be a delight, provided you didn't then have to enter a 2" radius curve to get round the corner !!

I still do like that shelf bracket idea for the supports - very clever and totally dual purpose !!

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Hullo Michael, Peter,

Thanks for your interest, I shall make the curve of the platform road 6ft radius, with the carriages lining up in front of the platform on the viewing side, and the run-round in front of that. At the other end, a 3ft radius curve will get me round the right angle and parallel with the end wall where after 4ft  I intend ['intend' is another of those words like 'if', isn't it?] to have a 3ft double sector plate with just three roads, unlike the Bear's End model which had 5 roads.



Herewith a picture of the 25mm insulation board which will form the lowest level of the baseboard. A piece of 50mm rest on top. I want to put the curved station, station throat and small goods/loco facility down behind that curve and then cut it out completely as a unit in order to place it on the bench to wire it up. With 30mm x 6mm strips contact glued to the underside I hope to drop it back in to be connected to the main line.

That's exercised the old grey cells enough for today, I might do a 'pitcher' to illustrate my 'forts'.

Douglas

P.s. I forgot to say that the aluminium tape used to back up the 'No-Nails' joint in the boards is the very devil to work with. Imagine super glue on aluminium foil! It comes second in difficulty only to trying to push butter up a porcupines ar$e with a hot knitting needle.....

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Looking good Douglas  :thumbs   Re the butter. . . . Try a refillable silicone cartridge and gun !!!
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Is that 6' curve the radius or diameter?

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Barchester wrote: Looking good Douglas  :thumbs   Re the butter. . . . Try a refillable silicone cartridge and gun !!!
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This is the man who once threw a whole load of tools in a tool bag into the boot of his [ex]chum's Corsa including an areosol can of expanding foam. It was evidently punctured by the corner of my try-sqaure and when I came to get out it was just on the verge of pushing up his parcel-shelf.....

Shame, it took me days to get that stuff off my tools, I've never been able to look a 'Crunchie' bar in the face since then.

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