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 Posted: Wed Nov 6th, 2019 07:33 pm
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Excellent example of the late John Flann’s precept...”less is more”.
It looks very elegant ......cant wait to see the scenery and buildings.....I remember the shed (and the mill of course) it had a super detailed interior as well.

I am sure you have thought this through......but the one concern I have is the daily goods and no head shunt................I can see how it could run round the train and propel the Brake van into the spur but in order to move wagons from shed to siding will it have do this, off scene, by backing the train up the 1:48 curved gradient?

As I say I am sure that  you have it sorted

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Thank you, John, for your interest and encouragement. I had thought of a head-shunt as I have an old double slip lifted from Bear's End and considered it fitted thus...in the siding/engine shed turnout place with virtually no change in the geometry.



It did seem a bit O.T.T. for a simple B.L.T., in practice an expensive bit of P.W. [Don't you hate T.L.A.s...] [Three letter abbrevations] Sorry!

I envisaged the Daily Goods arriving into the run-round, running back around the train via the platform road, coupling on to the rear of the train next to the brake-van and drawing it back to clear the run-round turnout, then propelling it into the goods shed siding.

There it could be cut off, leaving the loco and brake van which it would spot on the run-round spur, before picking up outbound goods from the lay-aside siding, bringing them back to hook on the brake van before departing tender first. As there is about 28 ins. to the start of the climb, it should be feasible, I've tried it with eight 2 wheelers and a Pannier [Eh? What?...did someone say Pannier???]

A lot of faffing, yes, but what else is there to do once it's built and running? Ashburton was apparently a so-and-so to shunt but never got changed.

'Ah!' 'But how did the empty/return stock get to the lay-aside siding?' I hear you say.....

As Dobbin didn't finally retire from B.R. [W.R.] until the 1960s there might just be stable block somewhere on site....

I'd be pleased to hear any other points of view, but remember Desiré Dungmore's old ploughman Disraeli Brokenshire had to find somewhere to work when her husband Turnip Dungmore phased out 'orses in favour of infernal combustion engined tractors...

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Perusing working track diagrams shows some real oddities, often an afterthought, but WR (GWR) termini were usually built on the cheap by a GWR-sponsored railway company that in most cases just wanted to move a few wagons and passenger coaches around. Ultimate aim was being bought out by the GWR at a profit ( :lol:).

Hook Norton on the BCDR required goods shunting over the adjacent 90-feet high viaduct, where the brake van was left parked on a 1:100 gradient. I can remember going along on a Saturday in the 1950's and "help" the local coal merchant move the coal wagons around using a couple of braces of 1 manpower local worthies. Up the line Chipping Norton required the locomotives to run around their passenger coaches by using the tunnel immediately after the double track line through the station ended.

.The coal sidings at Fairford on the old East Gloucestershire Railway were only accessible by going through the goods shed (as evidenced by smoke either side above the doors). WW2 expediency. Moving cattle vans around must have been interesting as that also meant the locomotive using the goods shed road. The goods shed had a couple of pillars either side of the doors - they served as capstans for engines to pull wagons around by rope.

Anytime an S was on a signal you can be pretty sure shunting took over the station, as that was often the only runaround available.

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Thanks for those interesting and bizarre facts! Doesn't it go to prove the old modelling adage that that there is a prototype for just about anything?
Ian Rice in one of his track plan books reproduces some of them in the spirit of 'more to play with".

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Chubber wrote: Thank you, John, for your interest and encouragement. I had thought of a head-shunt as I have an old double slip lifted from Bear's End and considered it fitted thus...in the siding/engine shed turnout place with virtually no change in the geometry.



It did seem a bit O.T.T. for a simple B.L.T., in practice an expensive bit of P.W. [Don't you hate T.L.A.s...] [Three letter abbrevations] Sorry!

I envisaged the Daily Goods arriving into the run-round, running back around the train via the platform road, coupling on to the rear of the train next to the brake-van and drawing it back to clear the run-round turnout, then propelling it into the goods shed siding.

There it could be cut off, leaving the loco and brake van which it would spot on the run-round spur, before picking up outbound goods from the lay-aside siding, bringing them back to hook on the brake van before departing tender first. As there is about 28 ins. to the start of the climb, it should be feasible, I've tried it with eight 2 wheelers and a Pannier [Eh? What?...did someone say Pannier???]

A lot of faffing, yes, but what else is there to do once it's built and running? Ashburton was apparently a so-and-so to shunt but never got changed.

'Ah!' 'But how did the empty/return stock get to the lay-aside siding?' I hear you say.....

As Dobbin didn't finally retire from B.R. [W.R.] until the 1960s there might just be stable block somewhere on site....

I'd be pleased to hear any other points of view, but remember Desiré Dungmore's old ploughman Disraeli Brokenshire had to find somewhere to work when her husband Turnip Dungmore phased out 'orses in favour of infernal combustion engined tractors...

Douglas




I knew you had it sorted!

The secret 28” helps and I should have thought of Dobbin. I do like the idea of a stable......the GWR standard design can make a great model......I am looking forward to your version.

I suppose on Dobbin’s day off the branch passenger loco could shunt the lay aside siding? It all sounds great fun

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