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 Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2017 09:06 pm
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Hi,
I am using PECO PL-10 points with the PECO adaptor base. After pushing the legs through the base and bending them over as far as they will go all seems solid. However, after a little use, the points start to wobble. Is there a knack to fitting the base so that it remains solid?

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Hi Tony,

Which adapter plate? Have you checked to see if the screws are tight?

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I am using the PL-12X adaptor base. The base itself is securely screwed to the baseboard it is the points that are working loose from the adaptor base.

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How have you anchored the turnout to your baseboard?
If you are using the Peco foam inlay without ant firm fixing of the turnout to the baseboard, yes, the turnout will move as the solenoid works.



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Sorry, I missed a word out Ron. It's the points turnout motor that is working loose from the base despite turning over the legs as far as possible underneath the base. It starts off solid enough but after a few point changes the turnout motor starts to work loose. Both the points and base are securely fixed.  
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It might be worth trying to twist the legs,




rather than folding them over, I would not




twist more than 30 to 40 degrees though.



Edit, thinking more about it, you probably

could go as far as 90 degrees without any

problems.



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TonyJin wrote: I am using the PL-12X adaptor base. The base itself is securely screwed to the baseboard it is the points that are working loose from the adaptor base.

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Hi Tony,

The PL-12x is for above board mounting, the legs of the PL-10 should be a tight push fit. I can't remember whether you can actually bend them over. I'll get some out tomorrow and have a look. If you can bend them use a hammer and a screwdriver blade to bend the legs over (seriously). If above board is what you are doing, have you adjusted the actuator pin for the correct length to enable the legs to properly fit? Once bent over the screws and plate are supposed to stop things moving around. By what you are saying I think the holes have become enlarged (legs and or more likely screws). In which case you will need to get a new adapter plate.They are one of those items where it's use once, do not reuse (the screws threads will strip the plastic). .

What voltage are you putting through the solenoids? It may seem firmly anchored even with the screws attached to the wood, there is enough force in the solenoids to loosen things up if the holes are oversized..

I was initially a bit confused about points (which normally refer to the blades of the turnout).


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Hi Nigel
I am using it above board. 


I'm following the instructions that come with the PL-10 turnout motor to insert the tags in the PL-12 base and bend them over. Initially this is steady but after a few point changes it begins to wobble. I am using the recommended 16v AC. 

I am a bit wary about bending the tags too much in case they snap.

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Tony, as Jeff said, instead of bending them,twist them.



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I've just found a video on YouTube where hot glue is used to prevent the tags from becoming loose so I'm going to try it out on an old turnout motor.

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Hi Tony,

Hot glue is flexible and doesn't stick well to plastic, especially the stuff Peco uses (bin there, dun that). Is it the whole shebang moving around (base and motor), or is it just the legs moving slightly from end-to-end when the solenoids are activated? Any chance of some pictures?

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Hi Nigel,
It's solid initially then just the legs moving back and forth at first. After a while I can wobble the turnout motor in the base. This is my first venture into model railways but I thought this bit would be straightforward.

I have included an image of the underside of the base. 



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They look like they are all bent the same way - if you didn't want to twist them, I would then bend two of them opposite direction. You can still lift a couple up and twist them.



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Hi Tony,

How much wobble? Does it interfere with the operation of the blades? I suspect you have a base with the holes a bit too big, or a point motor with the legs too small. The legs do not appear to be bent down at 90° (that;'s where the screwdriver blade comes in). One thing you can do is to very gently bend the whole side (each end, just above the legs) out very slightly so the legs are a tight friction fit. Or use some small pieces of brass as packing in the holes.

I'll dig mine out this morning and have a look.It's been a while.

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Hi all thanks for the various suggestions.

I have finally solved the problem after a conversation with a customer in my local model railway shop. He said the solenoid cases are very strong and to place them one at a time upside on the edge of the layout. Then using the largest screwdriver that will fit in the space where the tabs are turned over, push down each tab really hard as they just long enough to eat into the plastic. 

It seems to have worked. They have been rigorously tested and remained solid since Wednesday.

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Hi Tony,

Useful things, screwdrivers.

The Peco design could do with updating.

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BCDR wrote: Hi Tony,

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The Peco design could do with updating.

Nigel

Especially now that the adaptor bases  PL12 & PL9 will need to be used  for the new Bullhead rail turnouts coming out and  PL120 will not fit to these turnouts direct.



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