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No doubt, some of you may, have seen adverts in Railway Modeller for the new Peco 00 Bullhead rail turnouts.

November issue has a review of those  turnouts plus an article about the Unifrog which is slowly coming into the Peco range.

https://thehobbyshop.wordpress.com/category/product-information/

http://www.peco-uk.com/product.asp?strParents=3309,3322&CAT_ID=3326&P_ID=18132



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Thanks for posting the links Ron.

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Thats a wicked price. You've got to have deep pockets...

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An interesting product Sol but, as Shaun said, you wouldn't want to be buying too many all at once !!! 

Makes yourur own hand built stuff look very attractive ................... :roll: :roll:



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That's two bottles of S.L.W!!

If I go down the OO track again (tee-hee) I think those will have to be for 'front and centre' purposes only, I believe the two systems i.e. flat bottom and bullhead are compatible?

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How do Peco justify the increase in price from £12.50 for the current code 75 flat bottom large turnout (Hatton's price) to £32.50 for the new bullhead version?  Thanks, but I think I'll revert to building my own in future.


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They appear to justify the price with this comment.

"It is worth mentioning here that due to the unique shape of the rail profile, it is not possible to manufacture these turnouts in the usual semi-automated manner, by a process known as “insert moulding”. Therefore the turnouts have to be mostly hand-assembled, which is reflected in the higher retail price compared to a standard turnout. Because of the hand-built nature of this product there will be longer lead times involved to replenish stock if the demand is high."


I already build my own, so won't be buying any of these, the bullhead plain track may be of interest though to go with my turnouts.



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Hmmm, yes 32.50 does seem steep.  An 0 gauge turnout from Peco is around 40.00 and these are BH too.   However, for years I've seen threads on various forums frothing about getting more realistic turnouts, well now we have them.  In addition to the handbuilt aspect, demand isn't likely to be as high.  Peco code 100 turnouts are popular in NA.

Building ones own turnouts, especially if using copperclad timbers is very inexpensive.  The only drawback is lack of chair detail.

I would also note that Marcway (SMP) and C&L both produce BH flextrack and have done for ages.  This track comes in all three gauges.

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col.stephens wrote:

How do Peco justify the increase in price from £12.50 for the current code 75 flat bottom large turnout (Hatton's price) to £32.50 for the new bullhead version? .....................................


Since Port Talbot steel works got into difficulties, the price of home produced steel has gone through the roof plus, with creosote being banned, they've had to find rot proof timbers .............. :lol: :lol: :cheers



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Hattons pre-order price is £26.



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For a small investment in tools you can build your own turnouts for around £7.5-£10.00, chairs included. Plastic sleepers look a lot better than the regular OO ones. C+L do chairs that cover most UK variants, and as a bonus give that 5° cant to the rail. Straight (tangent) track comes RTR from C+L and Legacy as well as Peco.

Hand-built copper-clad turnouts from Marcway run at around £27-£30 depending on the radius.

Peco prices are not that bad (only double a regular turnout!) if you want a bit more realism (with narrow gauge track that is :lol:). I note that it is compatible with their regular code 75  track, although the greater sleeper spacing will make it stick out like a sore thumb if mixed with the old track (which is really HO track). Only downside I can see is that if it doesn't take off as a product range buyers will be left with orphans. Which given the pricing and the apologetic marketing is going to be highly likely.

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Agree about plastic timbers (not sleepers) Nigel.  Turnouts made with chairs do look good, however, they do cost a bit more than copper clad and they are more of a challenge.

Basic tools can be obtained from several places including C&L and DCC Concepts, speaking of which:

https://www.dccconcepts.com/product-category/track-and-track-making-parts/dccconcepts-track-and-track-making-parts/

This looks like a very interesting system and had I stuck with 4mm, I would most likely have had a go.

For those interested in permanent way, this book is very useful:

https://britishrailwaybooks.co.uk/books/ISBN/1874103003.php  - alas it's out of print but copies can probably still be found.

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Brossard wrote: However, for years I've seen threads on various forums frothing about getting more realistic turnouts, well now we have them. 
John


Are the new Peco points really very realistic?  The stretcher bar looks nothing like anything I have ever seen on the real article.


 


How about this idea for cheapness?  Cut your own timbers from card and varnish to harden them before painting the appropriate colour.  Glue same into position where the point is required.  Insert small brass nails along the line of where the rails are to go.  Solder bullhead rail to nail heads.  Add cosmetic chairs.


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Terry reverting to pedantic mode I said "more realistic".  To the extent that these turnouts have BH rail and correct timber spacing that is true.  For the rest, Peco is no different from any other RTP track manufacturer with certain compromises evident.  TBH I haven't spent time studying these.  There is nothing to stop the avid modeller from modifying the Peco turnouts with more realistic tie bars etc.

As discussed above there are several commercial options available for making one's own turnouts.  ISTR articles in the very dim mists of time where people made turnouts as you describe.

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