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 Posted: Mon Aug 28th, 2017 12:36 pm
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I like that more Ed, don't know why, feels more complete, tidier, contained by platforms maybe. I have a tidy mind... not that my workbench shows it!!
Two comments regarding the points. 

One, I wouldn't use the Y under the bridge.  I think you are asking for trouble as I have four of them in crossover pairs in Henllan station and it took a good deal of fettling  including cutting sleeper chairs and adjusting the rail ends to avoid derailments. I'd be tempted to just use a left hand straight, using a radius in the flexitrack coming out of the platform to get the correct angle.

 Also, and I know you're trying to fit in a tricky layout into a small space, try to maintain the short straight section of track before the first point at the station throat on the up main.  You have been around long enough to know this I am sure, but I have done it myself, being tempted with the thought that I could make a straight point work immediately from a radius and finding afterwards much to my  disappointment that I couldn't. 

Just my thoughts now that my mind has fought it's way up from the quagmire of this recent headcold.

I'm enjoying the rebuild btw.

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Had two Y points on the old layout without any problems Marty.

They replaced a diamond crossing which I kept forgetting to change the frog polarity on. I got fed up with forgetting to flick the switch and getting shorts :lol:.

A left hand point would be better, but being longer it makes the distance between the tracks greater and shortens that line.



Also makes the track over the baseboard join a curve instead of a straight.

Know what you mean about the point straight after the curve at the throat and I did have a short section of straight track before the point originally, but it got sacrificed when John suggested the 3-way was not a good idea after all the problems he and others had experienced.

Any straight  before the point just reduces the platform lengths by the same amount, so I'm hoping as everything will be traveling at low speeds, I'll get away with it.

Good to hear the cold is getting better :thumbs


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Ed - I'm sure you have considered this and discarded it because of baseboard joint issues but I wondered if the throat could be curved as below to increase platform space and avoid some of the reverse curves???



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I've lost count of how many different variations of station throat I've tried Barry.

All boils down to the shape of the boards and available space, any extra length gained on the platform roads just shortens the sidings.

Try as I may I can't swap out the Y point as Marty suggested, but I've tidied things up a bit.

The head shunt (Platform 1) is a bit short, but would take a DMU/EMU or a Class 08 with three coaches to be shunted back into the sidings.

Alternatively some sort of short freight train, vans maybe, if one of the sidings becomes some sort of unloading facility.



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I had a couple of hours playing with EnRail today and now share your pain - the site is just too small, even with a double slip in the throat.  I tried swapping the yard to the front but you lose so much length by gaining the shunting within easy reach.

Stupid question - is the other wall any longer??

Somewhere else on this site I read about the lost lamented 3mm scale....................

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Available space on the other wall only allows for a 2" longer base board Barry.

I did a bit of  feasibility study before I decided to do this, hence my Thoughts on Minories thread.

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=15026&forum_id=54

It's the curved entry onto the boards that mess things up, but integral garages just aren't very big.


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Quick question, Ed: does the space under the right hand main board have to be kept as space?

If you could add a triangular board in that corner, you could rearrange the tracks as Barry suggested in his post before yours. One of the original ideas of the Minories plan was to eliminate reverse curves, making for much smoother transitions for trains using the crossovers, and also reducing the chances of buffer locking when shunting. It would mean moving the signal cabin, as the tracks would cross where that is currently shown.

Adding a triangular board would mean you could have the lines exiting the main board at an angle across to the right hand lower board (the one with the tunnel). That, in turn, would also allow you to extend those sidings at an angle across the boards and onto the right hand lower board.



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Think you mean a bit like this Jeff.

(Blue lines are the old boards that the new ones sit on)

I've moved the signal box (orange rectangle) to where I think you mean the sidings could cross.




One thing to bear in mind is that any additional length of trains also requires longer cassettes, or whatever I end up using as a fiddle yard.

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Hi Ed. Yes, that's exactly what i mean.

I am thinking not so much of length of trains but smooth flow through the trackwork. Doing this with the triangular add-on would get back to the original intention of the design of Minories, eliminating the reverse curves through the crossovers and into the platforms. 
Longer sidings would be a side benefit if you wish to implement them.



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:hmm


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I like your revision as the throat looks a lot better

Ed - at the platform ends, there appears to be a peninsular. Can the platforms curve?  Even a slight curve into that space might produce an inch or two that might make a difference

On the subject of cartridges, bear in mind that the unit will be about an inch longer than the stock to allow for a door type device. Again, that inch makes a lot of difference - trust me, I am a long-time cartridge builder & user!!

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Thanks Barry. One of the things I have always been good at is getting trackwork to 'flow', although there always have to be compromises for given spaces.

With my earlier layout using Minories as the basis, I  laid the pair of sidings I had at the top (above the platform roads) at an angle to the board edges, just to get away from having everything parallel to the board alignments.



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Think I'll live with the reverse curves, as I really don't want to add bits of base board.

They all have a straight of some sort between the curves and I'm putting a single slip in, which will remove the reverse curve on departure from platform 4.

The boards were made to bolt together so that the layout can be easily dismantled if necessary, and it's really a case of what will fit on these boards.

I'm recovering from a cold at present, so nothing can get done anyway  :sad:


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Sorry to hear you have had a cold too... blasted thing is getting around. Hope you get over it soon.
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Think we're having an early Autumn here Marty................................. and the colds to go with it.

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Ed wrote: Think we're having an early Autumn here Marty................................. and the colds to go with it.

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and here in South Australia,we are having a late winter..... cold and wet & windy



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Thought I really ought to post an update.

Slow progress as I had a skin infection on one leg that left me pretty much stuck indoors for four weeks. Three lots of antibiotics and still got a dressing on the leg, but have manged to get a bit done.

Old view of the planned throat.



Where I’m currently at, with a single slip replacing two of the points. The slip is Insulfrog and operated by two surface mounted motors from the old layout (waste not, want not).



The accessory decoders are on top as I was a bit unsure of clearance under the board, but they can be hidden with the sort of nondescript type of brick buildings you tend to get at an urban terminus.

What I didn’t realise was how much wiring would be needed in a fairly small space. Bit of a balance between trying to keep it tidy and at the same time keeping the wires (especially for the point motors) as short as possible.




I’m almost at the stage of bolting the two main boards back together, which means I can lay track across the join into the station and start on building platforms.

Apologies for dark pictures but it's always dark at this end of the garage. Once I've got a bit further on, I plan to put some additional lighting in.


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Hi Ed,

Sorry to hear that you've been stuck indoors for so long, but I can tell you've had time on your hands, as I've not seen painted baseboard undersides before. Hmm, I jolly fine idea, as it makes that odd maintenance dash under the layout so much easier when you can see what you're doing.

Hope your continued recovery is a comfortable one.

Bill

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