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 Posted: Wed Apr 9th, 2008 09:03 am
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Loverly job Darren, appreciate both the construction and the detailed descriptions. Well done.



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Ain't building steps FUN!!! :shock: :?

It's a pity I can't find a commercial supplier of stuff like this; it would save hours of work.

You've done a really nice job with the steps and the roof, Darren. :D

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Darren,
Thanks for the description on the steps. I don't have steps, as yet anyway, to do, but have been wondering how I would approach doing them. Your description helps a lot.
Isn't it amazing how each one of us approach something differently? I like your roof design, completely different than the ones I have been doing, and is unique in it's own right. Gives me ideas for future builds.

I have another question Darren, when you are cutting angles on the roof rafter on the Chopper ll, cutting the first angle is simple, but am I missing something in cutting the other end of the piece? How do you cut several the same length? To cut just one piece, OK I can do that, but to cut several pieces exactly the same length with opposing angles (like a picture frame) or even like you did (parallel angles), how do you do that on the Chopper ll?

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Really enjoying this build, it is very good and i like the way the steps have been done as well as the roof. Well done.
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Darren,
This is really coming together beautifully.How long have you been scratchbuilding? The standard makes me thing you've been doing this kind of thing for some time.Top thread!!!
cheers,John.B.

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georgejacksongenius wrote:Darren,
This is really coming together beautifully.How long have you been scratchbuilding? The standard makes me thing you've been doing this kind of thing for some time.Top thread!!!
cheers,John.B.


Thanks for the encouragement everyone.

John.B - I built many Airfix kit models as a youngster (some good attempts and MANY bad!!). This is my first attempt at scratchbuilding a whole building with styrene. I have learnt a lot in this small building. It is interesting to see also how Wayne has developed - he has gone from a novice to building with gusto - this has given me added encouragement to keep at it.



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Today I took the opportunity to generate the decorative fascia boards. I created the design in Microsoft Excel and with some trial and error got it to the required size. I printed out to card, cut it out with knife (and pin for the small holes) and stuck it the barge boards. The pattern will be less apparent unfortunately once painted. I also cut the hole for the stove stack (unpainted and temporarily shown in position) Thankfully I will start glazing soon as another one of the windows (see pic) has lost a glazing bar!





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Perry wrote:Ain't building steps FUN!!! :shock: :?
It's a pity I can't find a commercial supplier of stuff like this; it would save hours of work.
Perry


The only supplier of stairs, stair handrails etc. that I've ever found is a product called "Fineline".
They can be ordered through Squires Tools and Materials and can be seen on page 383 of their catalogue.

If you haven't got their 484 page catalogue, you should get it, as they stock a vast array of modelling tools, materials and other useful bits and pieces.
No web site (yet), but phone 01243 842424 to order your free copy.
They have a minimum order of 10, but provide free postage to UK addresses. (Cost price overseas)

If you want to write for a copy, the address is :-
SQUIRES MODEL & CRAFT TOOLS
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Wayne Williams wrote:

I have another question Darren, when you are cutting angles on the roof rafter on the Chopper ll, cutting the first angle is simple, but am I missing something in cutting the other end of the piece? How do you cut several the same length? To cut just one piece, OK I can do that, but to cut several pieces exactly the same length with opposing angles (like a picture frame) or even like you did (parallel angles), how do you do that on the Chopper ll?

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Wayne, for multiple angled sections, the key thing is to first make a set of standard length size blanks. Cut one angle on all the blanks and then I think what you need to do is that you would need to create a dummy guide/spacer to get the size you need if the provided spacers dont give you sufficient length etc for the other side? I will try some examples next weekend as have had to pack it away for the rest of the week!!



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I see what you are saying, the big difference in what you said is cutting the blanks to the same length first. I hadn't thought of doing that. I did make up a dummy guide that worked ok, but I still had trouble duplicating the exact length.

I will make up another guide that matches the 45 degree one, and mount it on the other side of the blade as a stop. All I would have to do then is cut one piece to measure the amount of cutoff, then add double that amount to the finished part to get the blank size. That should work fine. Thank you for the advice.

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I've just got some Hornby signal box steps from modelspares - thought they may be handy for future projects. 4 for �1.25.

http://www.modelspares.com/           Defunct Link

It's worth looking at their list of spares for these bits & bobs. They have all kinds of odd bits like metal ladders, station chimneys etc. But, you'd need to hurry as they are closing the business at the end of this month due to retirement.



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Darren - the gable detailing looks fantastic. You must have loads of patience and very steady hands !!

Excellent build so far & looking forward to seeing it progress.

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Had visitors in town and then snagged the opportunity to snag some time off so havent had a chance to update . I am on holiday in Durango - will post update on the box when I return to Houston (the signal box also took a tumble of the table and lost the stairs and handrail..) I will also post pix of the Durango-Silverton Narrow Gauge railway in prototype section. Later..



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I restarted again today after a long hiatus. I fabricated a stove, coal bin, writing desk and chair. Believe it or not each one has many components which should become more apparent when I paint.



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And there was me thinking you were going to settle for one of those super detail kits and here you are building everything :shock: . I must say you have done a good job. I particularly like the way you have achieved the curve on the chair back - not easy in this scale. The levers and other instruments will be fun, but I am really looking forward to seeing how you do it. I hope you will be able to see all this detail once the roof is on! Great stuff - more please!

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I am impressed with your fortitude and deep desire to do it yourself! I had not even thought about doing those "Little" things via scratchbuilding. Now I've got lots to think about. :D :D :D

Just a thought, they make rubber material that can be used as moulds, could you like, make one super looking chair and then make a mould of it to make many more?

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Wayne Williams wrote:I am impressed with your fortitude and deep desire to do it yourself! I had not even thought about doing those "Little" things via scratchbuilding. Now I've got lots to think about. :D :D :D

Just a thought, they make rubber material that can be used as moulds, could you like, make one super looking chair and then make a mould of it to make many more?

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Thanks Wayne. I have had my eye on the kit below for a while but for the signal box there is insufficient repetition to warrant it (maybe the levers but i will make them individually...)

http://www.artmolds.com/product_details.cfm?product_id=217&page=0&cat_name=Resin%20Casting%20Kit&u_cat=87



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And there was me thinking you were going to settle for one of those super detail kits and here you are building everything :shock: . I must say you have done a good job. I particularly like the way you have achieved the curve on the chair back - not easy in this scale. The levers and other instruments will be fun, but I am really looking forward to seeing how you do it. I hope you will be able to see all this detail once the roof is on! Great stuff - more please!

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Bob, thanks. I was going to buy the kit but given the price and having to wait for the order to arrive from the UK, i decided to bash on. I have built these from bits in my scrap styrene box with the exception of the flue for the stove. I decided on doing all the things from the back of the box going forward (leaving the levers till last!!)



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I am really impressed by this project!

All I can say is, If this is just the signal box, what's the rest of the layout going to look like?
WOW!
I can hardly wait!

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Very nicely done, they look fantastic.
Glad you got the chance to get some more modelling done, keep it coming.



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