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Today I completed the build of my mobile computer gurney and hooked it up to the DCC system.



I was anticipating a fight with the L1 USB interface, but this time it's stumped me.

John, have you any experience of successfully downloading the drivers for the interface?

Every time I set up a new computer, the L1 gives me grief.  This time it's fought me to a standstill.

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Max. what's a computer gurney ?


Over here it's a facial expression where folk hold competitions to see who can pull the ugliest face.


Here's an example.


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When I installed Windows 10 on my RR&Co PC, I did it via a clean install after which Windows 10 automatically installed the drivers both for the LI-USB and the Lenz Decoder Programmer. Both devices use industry-standard USB-serial converters and W10 knows the drivers needed. 

All I had to do then was work out which COM port was the LI-USB and which one the programmer.

Now however I've upgraded to the 23151 LAN/USB interface. I use the LAN connection directly to the PC via a cross-over Ethernet cable.  This requires no drivers and works fine. 

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Christ, all this technology. However did we manage just with an accumulator  thingy to get the radio to work and a clockwork key to get anything to run.


Then there was bicycle clips. What a technological break through that was until spam fritters came along, sent the culinary World into spasms of delight and overnight knocked bicycle clips off the top of the popularity list.


But none of this was to last for long as the World stepped smartly into the next century and something that was magnificently managed by Burtons, the Fifty Shillings Taylors who, in exchange for roughly a weeks wages, would supply you with a suit with 30 inch bottoms were you could walk several yards before anyone knew you had and a double breasted jacket with enough material to suffocate a horse.

Of course, this was only the start as modern man about town would rather have been seen dead than be seen without his leg suspenders, navvies belt and dust mans braces - all worn at once. And, if you didn't have a tie without a gaudy picture of the Daily Mirror's Jayne stamped on it that came off in the rain then well, you might just have well smoked Wills Woodbines instead of  Capston full strength and the only thing that was ever likely to knock men's fashions for a burton was when  humped back wales gave up a few ribs so women could wear whale bone corsets and look 50 times slimmer than they actually were.

Then, to cap it all, we, or at least women did, had stockings and suspenders that helped bankrupt many a mans heart and bank balance both in tandem and the World hasn't looked back since

I might be 81 but boy, have I lived !

Allan




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allan downes wrote:

Christ, all this technology. However did we manage just with an accumulator  thingy to get the radio to work and a clockwork key to get anything to run .  .  .  .





.  .  .  .Then, to cap it all, we, or at least women did, had stockings and suspenders that helped bankrupt many a mans heart and bank balance both in tandem and the World hasn't looked back since



I might be 81 but boy, have I lived !



Allan










. . . and we are much enriched for the sharing of your anecdotes Allan. I'm just glad I missed most of those trees you didn't!

Thank you muchly for the fun you bring to this place and for making us smile despite the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune which surrounds us all.

Stockings, oh what fun!

Best,

Bill

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Hi Robert

I have a few laptops for use with my RR&Co layouts and every time I add one, I get this heartburn.

This one is destined to be retro fitted with an SSD, so I'll get a fresh Win 10 install and see how I go.

Can you tell me a bit more about the 23151 LAN/USB interface, please?  Is it a Lenz product?

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OOoops!

I remember now, what it is, Robert.  Thanks.

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Today I completed the build of my mobile computer gurney and hooked it up to the DCC system.
I was anticipating a fight with the L1 USB interface, but this time it's stumped me.

John, have you any experience of successfully downloading the drivers for the interface?

Every time I set up a new computer, the L1 gives me grief.  This time it's fought me to a standstill.


Hi Max

Sorry I took so long responding

This is the driver I eventually found that I have to re install every time Mr Gates does an update and helpfully over writes it

Hope it works for you.....I have to go out now but will be back in about 2 hours

John


Attachment: BAHNFAN.NET_FTDI_CDM_2.06.02_12_01_2014.REVISED.ZIP (Downloaded 1 time)

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Thanks, John.

That's one of the ones I have tried.  It also has unsigned drivers, which are blocked by both Win 7 and Win 10.  There is a way of disabling the blocker, but it's over my head, I'm afraid.

I'm thinking of using the LAN/USB Jesus Box Robert is talking about, but have you seen the price?

Three hundred bucks!

I know.  It's only money.  :lol:

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Hi Max Would this be of any help.Silly question have you google problem. Have just googled your Lenz L1 USB Computer interface, Seam, s to be your, An answer.

Noviceman.

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The documentation that John refers to in his post is here -

http://railway.zone/post/Lenz-LI-USB-64-bit-drivers-for-Windows-8


It also works for Windows 10 and there's a procedure for disabling the check for unsigned drivers. 

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Hi David.

Much Googling.   No help at all.

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RFS wrote: The documentation that John refers to in his post is here -

http://railway.zone/post/Lenz-LI-USB-64-bit-drivers-for-Windows-8


It also works for Windows 10 and there's a procedure for disabling the check for unsigned drivers. 

Thanks, Robert.

I've been down that path without success.

I like your idea of the LAN/USB box, though.

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Hi Max
Sorry I forgot the bit about disabling the check:oops:
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I was forced to do that after the last big update........but it was quite straightforward and works fine for me.......might be worth another try?


Good luck

John



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Thanks, John.

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I can't follow it.  :shock:

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. . . or are you talking about the instructions to disable the check in Windows 8?

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The General tab in the documentation Robert uploaded no longer exists

Go to settings.......the little cog icon

Enter "Advanced Start up" in the "find a setting box" at the top of the home page

You should then be able to follow the procedure set out in the documentation

HTH......let me know how you get on

John

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Where is the little cog icon, John?

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Click on the Windows icon bottom left and it is on the extreme left of all the app icons
Or type "settings " in the search box

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John Dew wrote: Click on the Windows icon bottom left and it is on the extreme left of all the app icons
Or type "settings " in the search box


Windows 7 must be different.

Neither of those work.

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OK

Windows 7   >   Searched  >  Settings

"Change Temporary Internet File Settings."

General.   >    Advanced  

Unchecked    "Check for Signatures on Downloaded Programs."

Apply.

OK

Restarted.

"No Interface L1 USB found."

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RFS wrote: Now however I've upgraded to the 23151 LAN/USB interface. I use the LAN connection directly to the PC via a cross-over Ethernet cable.  This requires no drivers and works fine.
Just checking Robert.

So the cable which would usually go from the L1 to the router, goes to the ethernet port on the laptop?


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MaxSouthOz wrote: OK

Windows 7   >   Searched  >  Settings

"Change Temporary Internet File Settings."

General.   >    Advanced  

Unchecked    "Check for Signatures on Downloaded Programs."

Apply.

OK

Restarted.

"No Interface L1 USB found."

I hadnt realised it was Windows 7......I am afraid I am at a loss.

I would have expected that after you restarted you would have been able to execute the file I attached and suucessfully load the driver and associate it with the port attached to L1USB..........you would need to do that before opening and trying to connect TC

Regardless of the result......you have repeated the procedure and rechecked the signature security check?


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MaxSouthOz wrote: RFS wrote: Now however I've upgraded to the 23151 LAN/USB interface. I use the LAN connection directly to the PC via a cross-over Ethernet cable.  This requires no drivers and works fine.
Just checking Robert.

So the cable which would usually go from the L1 to the router, goes to the ethernet port on the laptop?



Yes - I have an Ethernet crossover cable from the 23151 LAN port direct to a LAN port on the PC.  My PC has a gigabit Ethernet link via the motherboard, and I installed a spare fast Ethernet card in a PCI slot for the 23151. That gives me TC access without worrying about any drivers, plus internet access from the Gbit LAN link. All I had to do was ignore the Lenz instructions to set the TC Ethernet port as the default gateway. 

I had a lot of problems with the LI-USB whereby it was intermittently not seeing an update from the occupancy detectors which caused a myriad of operational issues. Some other people reported the same issue on the German TC site which is why I went for the 23151.  It has a different manufacturer's USB-serial converter, and it's the one in the LI-USB that I think was causing the issue. 

I have also connected the USB port on the 23151 to the PC as well, as that is then used by the 23170 decoder programmer independently of TC. There's no problem with USB drivers for the PC because the 23151 is new and hence the correct drivers are on the CD. 

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Thanks, John.  Yes.

I've given up on the L1 USB and ordered an ethernet LAN/USB.

I'm still not confident, as I'm using a laptop and not able to add extra cards, etc.

I managed to get a A$20.00 price improvement by ordering it from my local shop.  Amazing.

It should be here in a week, so I will be able to have a new fight with new equipment.  :lol:

Hopefully as Robert has said, the new disc will work better.

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You guys have me tempted now:lol:

I look forward to hearing how you get on Max......hopefully you will post a how I set it up?


Cheers


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Just found that Lenz have made available up-to-date drivers for the LI-USB for Windows 10, and these drivers also support Windows 7 and 8.1. They are presumably signed drivers and more importantly support both 32-bit and 64-bit.

You can download the updated installation files from here - http://www.digital-plus.de/download.php

Scroll down to the entry 23150 USB Interface - Treiber für WIN10 ("Drivers for Win10"). 

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Thanks, Robert.

I have already done them.  They didn't work.


I'm going to my friend's place tomorrow afternoon.  He's just changed laptops successfully, but with Windows 10.

I'm going to try his disc with my Windows 7.  If it still doesn't work, I'll pull the SATA drive out and fit a new SSD and then load Windows 10.

I just checked the machine and it only has 2 Gb of RAM, so I'll add some more at the same time.  May as well.  :cool:

I appreciate the thought.

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The more I learn about the Windows operating systems, the more I believe that all installs are not the same.

I have a Dell M 4400 with Windows 10 running an L1 USB  and now I have a Compaq C 700 Presario with Windows 7 which won't run the L1 USB but which will run the Ethernet LAN/USB.

I didn't need to run the disc, I just plugged it in and away it went.

Go figure.

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Never had those problems with the clockwork key, Max.
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The LI-USB 23150 uses a USB-Serial converter manufactured by FTDI and you therefore need the correct FTDI driver for that. 

The LAN/USB 23151 however uses a converter manufactured by Microchip Technology Inc and this uses a Microsoft driver that's part of Windows, hence Windows knows about it the moment you plug it in. 

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Yes.  It's very good, Robert.

Have you tried the iPhone TouchCab?

I've downloaded it, but I'm not sure how to patch it together.


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allan downes wrote: Never had those problems with the clockwork key, Max.
Allan.

You've probably just blocked them out, Allan.  :lol:

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MaxSouthOz wrote: Yes.  It's very good, Robert.

Have you tried the iPhone TouchCab?

I've downloaded it, but I'm not sure how to patch it together.



Sorry no - don't use anything like that with the railway.  To use the iPhone you'll need to connect the 23151 to a wireless LAN of some sort - most people have old wireless LANs left over when they upgraded or switched ISPs. 

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:lol:   I've just been rummaging in the bin - and rescued my old router that I had before the NBN came to town.

Can you point me to how to hook it up please, Robert?

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I have not done this myself but I believe you just connect the 23151 via the LAN connection to the router, and then the iPhone to this router wirelessly. You may have to ensure the address range of the router does not clash with that used by your current internet router. 

EDIT: Link to the Touchcab web site with a simple diagram - 

http://www.touchcab.com/support/connecting.html

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Thanks, Robert.

I haven't been able to get past the home page on that site.

From messages on their Facebook page, I suspect that TouchCab are experiencing some rebuilding.

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The link in my post goes straight to the support page, and from there you can further information by clicking on the troubleshooting link.  So try these two URLs -

http://www.touchcab.com/support/connecting.html 

http://www.touchcab.com/support/troubleshooting.html

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Thanks, Robert.

What happens when you click on the Forum tab?

Mine goes to Not Found.

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Only those 2 links work. Touchcab seems to have been taken over according to the home page, so presumably the website will be rebuilt at some point. 

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Ah.  Then it's not me.  Thanks, Robert.

I'm having trouble connecting with my old router.

I might have to shut the new one down before I can activate the old one.


                 

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