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 Posted: Wed Jul 12th, 2017 11:15 pm
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In the future, looking at having a GWR Passenger Express to run on the Garden Railway side of things.

Now, its not the coach's, (envisage at least up to 12 ) that I am worried about, its the question of which loco/s ?????

Grange, King, Hall, City, Manors ???

Have seen so many GWR videos on the subject and would love to have a few of each Class but just want to keep it to only 2, and they will be coupled up together permanently .

I know that Class's were designed to suit this task or that task.

So whats your opinion / likes / dislikes.

City Class:  Nice but with 12 coach's ??????. Don't really think so




 




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 Posted: Thu Jul 13th, 2017 02:32 am
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A Manor piloted by a Dukedog! :lol:
Cambrian coast express. 1950s ish. I can give you an exact date if needed. 

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Granges, Halls, Manors and Bulldogs often piloted expresses over the South Devon banks which were often Castle or King hauled.

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Hi Alan,

Double headed and 12 coaches?. That would normally restrict you to the South Devon Banks, the Lickey Incline or the CCE on a summer Saturday. The GWR generally stuck to Pilots and Bankers, rare indeed was a train that was double-headed for any significant distance (leaking glands would be an example where it would have been double headed to the nearest station with a replacement available).

Kings, Castles, Stars, Saints - large diameter wheel express locomotives (unless you model BR WR, where anything goes). Halls, Modified Halls, Granges, Manors (and their predecessor 2-6-0 14xxs), Granges - smaller diameter wheels, general purpose. All were capable of pulling 12 coaches or more (at least on the flat). Even freight locomotives such as the 28xx and 2884 classes got used over the summer weekend rush to the coasts and back.

Many of the South Devon turns used double heading and a banker (Castles and Kings could handle 10-12 coaches without assistance, matter of pride for the drivers), the Lickey incline usually had a pilot and the the 2-10-0 banker. Castles and Kings were rarely piloted unless it was the summer or BR days and 18 coach trains, and weight restrictions kept the Kings from many of the really hilly parts.

Pair of Halls (common in Devon), Hall piloting a Castle, Bulldog piloting a Castle, County and a 2-6-2 pannier, Warship and a County or the Kerosene kettle 18000 being towed by a Castle or King (I know, BR WR days), double headed Kings (bridge testing), Star and a Castle (at Swindon in the 1930's so I suspect a failure of the Castle). Mix and match, there was probably a prototype. Even an 0-4-2 pulling a Castle or King that failed.

I'm assuming this is an OO layout. If so, keep away from Bachmann Manors, unless you can get one of the last runs (the Cambrian Coast Express set for example, and even that's a split frame design) or you fancy building a chassis - it will have split axles.

Where possible try and match the motors - mixing an inefficient ringfield tender drive with a modern high efficiency can motor is pretty uncontrollable in DC, and a lot of work in DCC to get the power curves matching when you consist them. Easy way out of course is to have one dummy, one powered. Saint and a Castle for example, or an older King and a Hall. Just remove the motor and worm from the Saint, or bin the tender motor from the old King instead of buying a new DJ one.

My choices - Pair of Halls or Saints, Castle and a Pannier (both GWR days), or a Warship and a County (BR WR days). And with the exception of the Saints they're all modern DCC-ready productions. With the Warship an older Mainline model with a dead motor or split gear would be an ideal candidate, and it's the same body shell as the Bachmann version (slight difference in screw mounts inside).

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I am not a GWR man but I am aware from Adrian Vaughan's very good books that on the GWR/WR, the leading engine was the train engine when double heading.  Therefore if the train is hauled by a King and assisted by something else, the King was always at the front. 

This is a very different approach to other railways where the train engne remained attached to the train and the assisting locomotive was added to the front or the back.

Hope that is useful

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