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 Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2017 01:03 pm
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That all looks good to my eye Rob.  Laminating is a PITA and I have dislodged things with my iron on more than one occasion.  Still haven't really found an application for my mini torch.  I better have a fire extinguisher on hand before I use it.

I think I must spend a great deal of time cleaning up excess solder.  It really needs doing, if the bare metal looks pleasing, everything else will be fine.

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 Posted: Fri Sep 29th, 2017 06:59 pm
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Brossard wrote:  Still haven't really found an application for my mini torch. 



Hi John,
I must confess I use mine whenever I can,  you can get away with so little solder it's saves a lot of cleaning up.  



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I expect that once I begin using it, I will find the same thing.

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You will, :doublethumb
Just remember that everything gets hot so always hold whatever you are soldering in pliers/tweezers etc. and use heat sinks to prevent bit's that you have already soldered from dropping off. - Sorry if this is Granny and Eggs :chicken



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Building brass kits is more about strategies and techniques for handling the material (as you mention) than it is about merely sticking things on.  That's where the skill lies.

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As mentioned briefly elsewhere the detailing of the B16 is coming along nicely but not without minor frustrations.

This is where I have got to so far - 





On to the frustrations, earlier I had made the oil boxes that sit on the front splasher tops, the first one on the right hand splasher too about 10 attempts to solder it on, I would get it positioned and then clamped with self locking tweezers but each time I reached for the soldering iron to solder it from the back the blessed thing either moved or fell off. Finally I got it soldered in place and decided to do the other one. This was even worse, after three failed attempts to solder it on, it flew off into space and despite a good grovel I couldn't find it. So I set to and made another, blow me if the same thing didn't happen again. A couple or three failed attempts then twang.....
With the third iteration I filed a slight hollow in the base front to back so that it sat better on the splasher top and I managed to solder it on first go.









Next I made up and fitted the operating rod on the right hand side that was fitted to some locos. The casting was provided in the kit but I scratched the level from some scrap etch. This was all fairly straight forward as was drilling the foot plate and rear splashers and fitting the other oil boxes with the pipes. The boiler furniture again all went smoothly apart from the dome. 







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My dome casting was ever so slightly misshapen so that the oval of the dome when viewed from the top was at odds with the curvature of the boiler. As I said it was only marginally out but enough to make the dome sit slightly out of square (if a round object can sit square....) As it turns out it was a blessing in disguise because as designed the kit only caters for the earlier type of boiler. As I understand it the main visible difference between them being the position of the dome either astride a boiler band or between them. ]

To remedy the misshape I cut of the threaded spigot from the bottom and then using a ball shaped burr I ground out the remnants of it mounting and then I wrapped a strips of sanding belt around the boiler and twisting ever so slightly I rubbed away at the casting  until it sat down 'squarely' the added bonus was that I was then able to move it back quite a way so that it only just covered the etched hole in the boiler. While ot 100% in the right place it's a lot better visually than had I just fitted it through the etched hole and moved on






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This week work on the B16 has continued to flow.

The lubricators are on and although you get plain castings I drilled them out to add the pipework inside some microbore tube that I picked up earlier in the year from Barry of MetalSmiths fame.



There was a thread on the Guild site discussing drilling brass castings and one of the suggestions (besides buying proper drill bits) was to heat to a cherry red heat and let the casting cool naturally. I have used this method before and it has to be said without much success.  I decided to try again and I have come to the conclusion that previously I just didn't get it red enough - this time the cheapo Microbox type drills went through it like butter. I did you my Proxxon Mini Pillar drill though.










You know when something niggles at you that there's something not quite right? Well I had the feeling and finally pinned it down to the fact that the chimney was just not quite on square so I heated it up and attempted to nudge it. I must have been a bit vigorous because the next second it was on the floor. The good news is that in knocking it off I had spread the solder a little in the right direction and putting it on square was a simple matter of putting it in place and then heating it with the microflame until it sank down in the solder. A little cleaning up and I was happy



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Those lost wax brass castings are really hard and the very devil to drill.  Good tip about getting them hot, I guess that's annealing.

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Brossard wrote: Those lost wax brass castings are really hard and the very devil to drill.  Good tip about getting them hot, I guess that's annealing.

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I hadn't thought upon it but yes I suppose it is. This time I got them to a nice cherry red and what a difference it made.

Previously I have even struggled to make a punch mark to drill some castings.



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In between popping along to Keighley show where I had a great time chatting to many people I have made much progress on the B16.

Unless something else jumps out at me while working on the chassis, the body is finished. Now it's onto the electrics plus the final details on the chassis. At this rate I may have to change plans and take it for a run on the test track at Shildon On Saturday afternoon.

While studying the one photo that I have of 61450, I noted that I had missed an oiler on the right rear  splasher. I had made it but can't recall why I didn't fit it when I fitted the others but it's corrected now.












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Cracking stuff.  A long time in coming but well worth it.  Look forward to seeing pics of the loco on the test track.

You'll be gutted to wave bye bye I expect.

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I must confess that I do fancy one for myself John. I will hopefully add one to the stash at some point in the future as funds allow.



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After my mistake with the wheels on Saturday, I sorted them out and with the weather being not too bad we cleaned up part of the circuit on the garden line and gave it a try.

Sadly, the rigid chassis doesn't take well to my less than generous curves but it is alive and now just needs final detailing.



Chris also took a few photos of it in the sunshine. Just a few more details to add before it goes of to Warren for painting.


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That looks right gradely Rob.  What rad. curve do you think it needs?  Is DCC sound in the future?

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Hi John,
Realistically bigger than 6' and more level than my outdoor track is. - the chassis is rigid with very little side play but that's how it came to me.



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Ah right, I expect you'll build yours with a bit more sideplay.  Hope your customer has a lot of space. :mutley

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Brossard wrote: Ah right, I expect you'll build yours with a bit more sideplay.  Hope your customer has a lot of space. :mutley

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More likely a big cabinet....



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Oh yes, now I remember you mentioned he is a collector more than a runner.  A great shame to have a model like this sitting around.

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The last few days working on the B16 have been spent on making up the rather prominent cylinder crain cocks and their operating mechanism from the ends of JLRT coach vacuum or some such pipes of which I had four in my spares box and scrap etch. I also made up and fitted the rear sand pipes.







Tonight I reassembled it and took the following photos before dropping it off at Warren's for painting.








Plus a few arty shots to finish















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