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 Posted: Sat Apr 22nd, 2017 08:41 pm
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IMO the smaller pieces should be added later, the large overlay is unlikely to come adrift.


Hi John,

I agree that the large overlay is unlikely to come adrift, I was just wondering about holding the small overlay in place. Having thought further while typing this I will do it as you suggest I think.




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Sunday afternoon saw the tender overlays added to the sides and rear of the tender. This wasn't quite as smooth as I had hoped and I ended up having to run over it with the iron to get them to sit flat which meant quite a bit of cleaning up.

The original plan was to tin both sides and use the micro flame but I just couldn't get it to stick for some reason. The other issue was that despite my best efforts otherwise by bending them into all sorts of shapes the aluminium clips, bent the flares in places meaning some remedial work. 





As you can see I still have some cleaning up to do,  but I don't plan to clean up the inside of the flares until I have the tender top in place.

I am not sure whether it was me that got the overlay slightly out of line (it is wider than required so that you can file it back to get a crisp edge) or that the etched hole was slightly out of line but I will have to open the slot a bit to fit the rear lamp iron.

Next up I made a start on the tender top and coal chute. I want to get this fitted before attempting to make the corners of the tender flares from solder.

These all went pretty much as planned but there is a sight gap that I will need to fill.  Again I am not sure whether it was my folding or the etch that's slightly out but it's an easy thing to sort.







I haven't done any cleaning up on this as I did it last thing last night and I was back to work this morning so couldn't be too late to bed. - The redness is from using the microflame to solder the seams. It washes of easily enough with some bar keepers friend.



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 Posted: Thu Apr 27th, 2017 07:49 pm
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Following on from some dialogue with MikeMeg over on RMweb who had posted on his 4mm thread, a photo of the tender from the front (Mike has recently built the 4mm version of this kit which is currently held, but not released for sale yet by London Road Models). The photo is from Ken Hoole's NER Loco book which I have, but I hadn't realised that the photo was there until Mike mentioned it.



This is a cropped view of the tender front from the photo which differs a little from that portrayed in the kit. 
The kit provides a flattened V shaped plate with a rectangular cutout for the coal door and a coal door which is riveted and had two holes for a handle. The V shaped plate when fitted leaves long triangular gaps down either side of it.

 There are some etched rivet strips provided to cover these and to replicate the angle plates that you see in the photo. I didn't find these (my fault for not looking at either the instructions or the etches before proceeding) before I had made up a couple of angle plates out of some half etched scrap that I had to hand. 

having discovered them I still elected to use the ones that I made, because the rivet spacing was quite close together on the supplied strips. And it would have meant soldering two strips on instead of four. 

I am sure the riveted strips will not be surplus for long.





The arrows on this repeat photo, shows what I have added to it so far. I still have a few bits to do - this sort of thing brings out the detailing devil in me I just can't help it.







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Mind boggling work Rob - me ? I'd have just filled the gaps with chewing gum...

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It is always so satisfying to find a picture of exactly what you're trying to do, great stuff. :pathead

Chew away Allan :hmm

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Funnily enough Alan I do chew a lot of gum while modelling....
Following on from a comment about not being able get at the coal by Jim Snowden on the guild forum, further work was done last night to represent the sliding plate on the front of the coal chute. 

Without taking the front back off and doing major surgery I had to employ a little subterfuge to give the impression of a sliding plate but I feel that once painted it will look the part.





I also managed to get the front upper coal plate fitted and the lifting rings. 



I still need to add the steps to the sides of the coal chute but that's about as far as I will go on this build (I keep forgetting "straight from the box"...) - I have lots of ideas for future builds of my own though.



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Yesterday having cut short a long weekend up north by yours truly forgetting to take his medication along I looked more closely at the brake and water scoop standards. I had more dialogue on RMweb with MikeMeg on the subject last week and he had remade the 4mm versions. I thought initially that although slightly on the fine side that the castings looked usable. - By fine they are quite slender in appearance whereas the photo posted earlier show them to be quite chunky, especially where the mounting pieces.

These are the castings provided.



The problem came when testing them against the tender front (stuck in place temporarily with bluetac).



Despite my cutting them off the sprue with as much length as possible, they are short in the column length

I couldn't see any immediate way of extending the column*  A better person than me might have been able cut it of and drill out the fixing brackets but they looked a bit on the fine side for me to be confident that I could achieve it [size=so I decided to have a go at making some replacements.  ]

Now I have to be honest at this point and say that this really became a test exercise to see what I could achieve with my Proxxon mini pillar drill with the X-Y table attachment. I have been looking for something to try it out in anger, having only drilled out 4 buffer stocks since I got it at Christmas. 







They took me all day to make but I really enjoyed it and I have parts roughed out to make a couple more for a build for myself at some point. to give an idea of scale/chunkiness the new columns are made from 1.6mm rod.

*Thinking about it afterwards I could possibly have joined an extension piece onto the castings where they go through the wooden floor extension that's shown on the photo of the tender front.



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Now that's cracking stuff Rob.  Makes you wonder what kit designers are thinking doesn't it?  Very satisfying to have made these very credible looking parts.  It has to be annoying to spend a whole day doing it though.

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Hi John, 
I am aware of lot's of people having built the kit but I suspect that it was without the benefit of the photo of the tender front so they probably soldered them on lower down.

If I hadn't taken it as an opportunity to experiment with the drill press it could have a been a frustrating exercise. But in the end I really enjoyed the journey to get there and that's what does 'it' for me from a modelling perspective. It all depends on why you model.



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Another session last night brought the tender a little nearer to completion. 

I managed to get all the whitemetal castings soldered on. I still haven't decided whether to fit the small steps at either side of the coal chute or not the jury is still out. 

I haven't soldered the coal space/tender front in yet because I want to be able to get at the hand rails, lamp irons etc from the back before I do, then the last job will should be making the corners for the flares.






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Due to having a lot on at work I haven't been able to get back to the B16 until Sunday afternoon and yesterday.

Still good progress has been made since then with most of the tender detailing cracked. I found that the rear tender flare overlay wasn't on straight to that had to come off and be straightened.

The coal space is still loose until I get the brake/water scoop standards in place - I figure it will be easier to drill the floor if it lifts out.



Note the longer hand rail at the front of the tender. This seems to have been a feature of a few of the B16 tenders and thankfully you can make it out on the one photo of 61450 that I have found to date.



The small steps were a bit of a fiddle but worth the effort I think.







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This week has been a good one at the bench seeing the tender almost complete.






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The brake/water scoop standards rotate and you now need to unscrew them to get the chassis from the body.

When refitting the chassis during testing the cranks on the bottom of the shafts of the standards I realised that the brake rods were catching on the outer frame and had held one end of the chassi from fitting flat to the underside of the body. There is a plate with a slot in it in which two slots in the front ends of the inner chassis engage this was about 1.5 too high. To cure it I adjusted the offending brake spreaders and the rods inwards and then with the chassis upside down and engaged in the slots I used the microflame to run around the etches of the plate while pressing on the underside of the chassis with a block of wood. After a few moments the plate eased slowly downwards into the correct position and when the solder set again it was as it should have been.



As far as I can tell there is just the vacuum pipe and the axleboxes/spring castings to fit. I may also make the central 'buffer' from styrene but I will see how it goes when I test the running to see if it needs it.

Next it's on to detailing the chassis before tackling the body details.



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It's always good to get to the detailing stage, that usually goes alright and let you really see what you've got.

When you say central buffer, do you mean the buffer between tender and loco?  You could try using a cheesehead screw with the slot filled in and the head ground to shape.

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Hi John,
Yes that's the one but the reason that I am thinking of using styrene is that I am using the american method of pick up so I don't want a screw potentially creating shorts between the loco and tender. On the photo that I posted earlier of the tender front it's rectangular in shape so I if it's needed I would like to stick as close as I can to what's there having added the additional details to the tender front that I have. But thanks for the suggestion it's one I may well use on future builds.



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Good point there Rob.

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With the tender virtually complete my return from Doncaster saw a start made on detailing the loco chassis. I add the springs to the drivers and then looked at the brake gear. 
The instructions are along the lines of fit parts.... with a couple of build photos to assist with the general positioning.

Thankfully looking at prototype pictures helped answer most questions. the first being how the hanger mounts fit
There is a better view in Yeadon but I found this and it saved me scanning the book.



As with some older kits, the forks in the etches for the rods connecting the brake spreaders are a little over etched so needed bushing.

 

By accident or design some scrap from the chassis etches folded over the spreader was just the right thickness to fill the gap.



They just need soldering together once fitted.



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Rob, it's guys like you that make this hobby all worth while, even for guys like me who don't know one end of a soldering iron from the other !

I salute you sir !


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...but you do know your apse from your nave.  :mutley

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Are you calling my wife an apse, John !! Well I'll drink to that  :cheers

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Cheers Alan,
Each to their own I guess. John has put it far more eloquently and amusingly than I could manage though.



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