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Hello all,

My Friend in Virginia was in contact recently and asked for a bit more help because "it did not work" although I presume he tested it as he went along.

I have created a PDF and tweaked my correspondence with him in the email and thought it may prove useful for a few more of you... so here it is. OK it applies to his layout but I am sure there are elements that could help others here... and if there is a problem or something that does not quite make sense, please let me know by PM and I can change and update it

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Trevor

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Hi All

My friend in Virginia sent me a link about using a meter at  http://www.trainelectronics.com/Meter_Workshop/ which  he used in conjunction with the previous download I put in the previous post. It may be of use to you also.

Trevor


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Thanks for that Trevor, it looks very good - but I hope I never have to use a meter!!!  :lol::lol::lol:


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Hi Trevor,

I've been communicating with Lee, and this morning I had a good look at the diagram. Having the common return wired in parallel to the 2 cabs may not be a good idea as changing direction in any given block depends on changing the output polarity at the cab. It's possible to have a block with the rails of the same polarity if one cab is forward, the other backward. Using an Atlas controller (part #220) with the wires reversed on cab B should solve this problem.

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Hello Nigel,
Thanks for the nearby support you can offer Lee, which strangely enough I cannot!

To get the wiring. I simply followed the Atlas wiring suggestion as I am not that familiar with their products but common rail as I have done it is not a problem. I have three driving cabs and am planning for a fourth all using common rail - if you could get a 20 position rotary switch for each block, you could use 20 cabs ( actually 19 and an off switch). 

The Atlas selector switches as I see them are simply a Single Pole Single Throw (SPST) switch unless they are Centre off which would mean that they would be Single Pole Double Throw (SPDT) switches so I am struggling to see why Lee would need the cab selector unless he had a Turntable, a reverse loop or a Triangle/Wye for cab direction but I am happy to learn.   

Is it possible that he does not have two separate transformer/power packs? Common rail does rely on two transformers to be viable and will not work with just one transformer,

Thanks for being there for him!

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Trevor

PS  One of the links I used to double check was from this page  http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/255562.aspx

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Hi Trevor,

One of the reasons I stopped doing this early on in my modeling career (after my first layout) and switched to DCC. I've yet to talk with Lee (we've been trying for a week now), but from his emails I don't think he's using your diagram and I have no idea what he actually done. Personally I would have gone for DPDT switches and separate wiring for each block and not common rail with SPDT switches. Bit more wiring but bullet-proof. Actually, scratch that, with 4 yards and 3 spurs I would have gone straight for DCC and stopped worrying about live frogs versus power-routing turnouts, which I suspect is the root of the problem.

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